#indiewebcamp 2014-05-18

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pdurbin heh. no I'm not
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pdurbin but I do work on software in this space... of making data citable, and providing persistent identifiers: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse
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kbs aaah - nice
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pdurbin I think the academic community is generally excited about the zenodo/github thing
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pdurbin and good on github for supporting science
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kbs is there a way to structure DOIs so that they can have a top-level part that says - what follows is a git commit-id? :)
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aaronpk also just made text like [[micropub]] auto-linked to wiki pages in the logs
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pdurbin so, what we do is allow versions of data. it get's published as 1.0 initially. later it can be 1.1, 2.0, or whatever. but the DOI stays the same
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-17/line/1400371518
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pdurbin aaronpk: ah, very nice
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aaronpk !date 915 148 800
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't parse that.
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aaronpk !date 915148800
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't parse that.
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aaronpk !date 0915148800
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Loqi That looks like a unix timestamp! 1998-12-31 16:00:00 PST
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aaronpk technically also 1998-12-31 15:59:60 PST
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kbs heh
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bret ok got multipart sort of figured out
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aaronpk yyaaayy
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bret what a mess
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bret good news is I am reminded on how to write my own middleware
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bret and now am frowning at how I did my code
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bret I can alwayse refactor later
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aaronpk wanna see how easy it is in PHP? https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k-micropub/blob/master/src/p3k/Micropub.php#L265
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aaronpk grins
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bret >:[
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bret aaronpk: would you have any idea why the Content-type from ownyourgram would look like 'multipart/form-data
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bret boundary=----------------------------fdfb8cc956ae'
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aaronpk isn't that just how multipart works?
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aaronpk wait what
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aaronpk oh yeah
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aaronpk it's telling you what string to split on to find the parts
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bret ohs
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bret ioc!
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aaronpk each part will have its own content-type header too
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bret oic*
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bret whelp. im out of time
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bret see ya!
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bret thanks express for removing a critical building block
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aaronpk holy crap mediawiki is insane
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aaronpk but returns helpful error messages which is nice
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20140518-012140.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com>"
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aaronpk whoa
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KartikPrabhu it's alive! it's alvie!
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aaronpk now I just have to make it send back a reply
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20140518-025032.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com>"
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aaronpk whoa it worked?
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aaronpk heh something doesn't understand the rotation information
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aaronpk that's irritating
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aaronparecki.com deleted /wiki "delete to make room for the main wiki page"
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aaronparecki.com moved /wiki/ to /wiki "now that the server doesn't try to redirect to folders, the page can be called [[wiki]]"
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aaronparecki.com created /wiki/resolved (+3036) "moved resolved wiki issues to their own page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki () "(-2973) moved resolved wiki issues to their own page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki (+0) "move page and projects above suggestions" (view diff)
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20140518-030909.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron.parecki@gmail.com>"
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aaronparecki.com deleted /File:20140518-030909.jpg "was test"
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KartikPrabhu is trying to open source his blog-code but is very confused about git submodules!
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aaronpk git submodules are annoying
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KartikPrabhu is there a better way to put my blog-code on github if it contains other packages?
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aaronpk are they available through any sort of package manager? like rubygems for ruby or packagist for php
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KartikPrabhu they are but I am also using the latest experimental one that I am pushing too
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aaronpk usually package managers have a way to override where you get them from if you need to point to your own fork
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KartikPrabhu oh hmm will look into it thanks
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20140518-031523.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron.parecki@gmail.com>"
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20140518-032122.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com>"
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aaronparecki.com deleted /File:20140518-032122.jpg "was test"
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aaronpk all done
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bret KartikPrabhu git submodules are a pain!
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KartikPrabhu oh poop!
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bret what are you trying to do
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KartikPrabhu i'll tell you on #indiechat
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GWG There's an #indiechat?
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GWG What is that for?
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KartikPrabhu for random chats
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bret off topic chat with the community here! :)
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GWG We have an off topic chatroom?
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GWG Good to know
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GWG Why did no one mention this?
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bret GWG its newish
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bret and its been referenced a few times
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KartikPrabhu GWG: tantek mentions it evertime a discussion here gets offtopic and llong
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bret maybe someone should add "Offtopic? Join us in #indiechat" to the topic
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KartikPrabhu cc: aaronpk^^
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GWG I missed it
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@ThaisMarques121 @thaismarques121 - The latest from Tantek Çelik (@t). Cofounder: #indieweb/@IndieWebCamp @microformats... http://thaismarques121.tumblr.com/post/86077082875/thaismarques121#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/467888679110066176)
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@kevinmarks @euan you're working your way towards POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/467927303859625984)
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@WwwNicolemeagan "@t: @sil a-ha. Nice side-effect of "just" using HTTP, simple HTML form (no JS) can send webmentions http://tantek.com/2013/258/t2/web-protocols-should-use-http-params-no-xml (ttk.me t4W52)" (twitter.com/_/status/467950077731151872)
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vasilisvg When I try to log into the indiewebcamp site I end up in a redirect loop. Any idea if I can solve this? Right now I can’t visit the site with both Firefox and Chrome
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vasilisvg removing cookies did the trick. I can visit the site now. But I still can’t log in
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KartikPrabhu vasilisvg: what kind of redirect loop?
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KartikPrabhu vasilisvg: I seem to be getting that too. Will ping aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu !tell aaronpk: indieauth on the indiewebcamp homepage is giving some redirect errors
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu !tell aaronpk: this happens only on the homepage
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu vasilisvg: try it on some other page and that seems to be working strangely
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vasilisvg KartikPrabhu: Thanks, it works now!
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vasilis.nl edited /projects (+374) "/* added Voto, a photo gallery */" (view diff)
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vasilis.nl created /Voto (+356) "/* Added a descritpion of what Voto is */" (view diff)
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vasilis.nl edited /Voto (+154) (view diff)
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@vasilis Added Voto to the indiewebcamp projects page http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#Voto (twitter.com/_/status/467964175650942976)
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@kirilind All about #indieweb - web that belongs to everyone. http://www.wired.com/2013/08/indie-web/ Looking back to 2001 when openness was common courtesy. (twitter.com/_/status/467975985724653568)
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Loqi cweiske: aaronpk left you a message on 5/17 at 8:33am: ok you're right, now you can just press "enter" and it'll sign in with the first
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cweiske !tell aaronpk - thanks, login is so much easier now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske another problem I have now: Once I'm logged in, I get a redirection loop between Main_Page and /
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@kirilind Things happen http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths so make your own web because http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjackson/2012/04/30/heres-why-google-and-facebook-might-completely-disappear-in-the-next-5-years/ (twitter.com/_/status/467980135132827648)
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@jeena A nice writeup about how we think the #indieweb can be a success: http://www.wire… more at https://jeena.net/notes/158 (twitter.com/_/status/467980397083901952)
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vasilis.nl edited /fragmention (+126) "/* Added an implementation with a CSS animation */" (view diff)
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GWG I am still confused about webactions
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pdurbin how so?
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@kevinmarks “The concept of “going viral” only exists because URLs are universally shareable.” - @mbleigh http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/16/the-once-and-future-web-platform/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/468035662512676864)
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Loqi bnvk: snarfed left you a message 1 day ago: hey, saw you tried bridgy publish! and i saw the facebook failure, looks like you hit https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/123 . sorry about that :/
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GWG pdurbin: It has the same problem as any sharing button...how do you do it in the best way to make it useful and not clutter?
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pdurbin looks at [[webactions]]
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aaronpk what the heck? how did this redirect loop happen
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Loqi aaronpk: KartikPrabhu left you a message 5 hours, 51 minutes ago: indieauth on the indiewebcamp homepage is giving some redirect errors
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Loqi aaronpk: KartikPrabhu left you a message 5 hours, 50 minutes ago: this happens only on the homepage
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aaronpk trying to think what has changed
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 4 hours, 35 minutes ago: - thanks, login is so much easier now
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tgbrun GWG: I don't know if I adequately addressed your question to me the other day. I am getting more and more of the indieweb principles implemented on my site. I am doing more to be indieweb 'compliant' than I am posting 'interesting content'. Oh, the choices we make ;). The more I read on indieweb the more I want to do, and the faster I run, the behinder I get. Anyway, If I can get my implementation of webmention validated then
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GWG tgbrun: What was the URL for the site again?
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tgbrun GWG: www.tombruning.com
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GWG I'm working on something you might be interested n.
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tgbrun I can't wait, I do enjoy working on this, and I am learning and doing something that I do care about.
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GWG You can try it now, but the styling isn't quite 100%
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GWG It works with Sempress though
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/semantic-comments
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GWG Here is an example of what the comment section would look like. I changed the theme to Sempress
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GWG http://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/25/video-embed-test/
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GWG Sempress overrode somethings.
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GWG Apparently, pfefferle likes chatheads
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aaronpk home page redirect thingy is fixed, thanks guys
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tgbrun GWG: I'll try it out, I am currently in a spot with limited connectivity, but will install it later, I do like the look of it tho. Thanks
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GWG tgbrun: It needs more look.
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tgbrun If it needs more look, I'll have to take a work at it
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GWG I need to craft it so it will best pick up the design of whatever theme it is activated in
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GWG For example, refresh the page. I changed the theme to the default Wordpress 2014 theme
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tgbrun GWG: I installed the semantic comments WP plugin. I do like the look of it and it looks fine on my sempress theme.
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GWG I'm fiddling with the CSS right now.
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GWG tgbrun: I have some other ideas I might be implementing. This was originally part of my theme.
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GWG I wrote an Indieweb theme for Wordpress, but I've started ripping out extras.
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aaronpk come to think of it... I don't even know why i'm storing the IRC logs in a mysql database...
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aaronpk I don't think I'm getting *any* benefit of it being in a database
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GWG aaronpk: Only overhead
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aaronpk The majority of the time I'm querying by channel + date, which is easily done via the filesystem
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GWG You are better off with static pages. You can always index it even with that
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aaronpk my IRC client stores logs in files by day, and I've more often used those to search for specific phrases and things because grep is pretty fast
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aaronpk i guess the one benefit of the DB is that I can insert logs out of order really easily because the indexes take care of querying in order (like importing when Loqi goes offline)
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GWG What about something like Sphinx?
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aaronpk i could, but grep is good enough
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GWG Just brainstorming
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rascul just gzip the logs and be happy
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rascul there's zgrep, and you can do the gzip thing in the web server if you want to serve them raw
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aaronpk why even bother with gzip?
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vasilisvg I wrote this post about this self hosted photo gallery script I created, and I was wondering if anything is missing, from an IndieWeb point of view: http://nerd.vasilis.nl/voto-self-hosted-indieweb-photo-gallery/
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk also props for properly handling paging!
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aaronpk "If you go to /page/2/ on any active blog on one day, and come back a few days later all content will be different, which doesn’t make any sense." http://nerd.vasilis.nl/voto-self-hosted-indieweb-photo-gallery/##Generating+paged+archive+pages
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vasilisvg Thanks!
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aaronpk well something you could add is h-entry markup on your photo pages!
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aaronpk also rel=prev and rel=next attributes for your paging
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aaronpk vasilisvg: here's an example of one of my photos http://aaron.pk/n4W11
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aaronpk take a look at the parsed version http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fnotes%2F2014%2F05%2F11%2F1%2Fsynths
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vasilisvg Added h-entry markup. Did I get it right? http://vasilis.nl/voto/oggy/140518170029/
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aaronpk nice! you can always spot-check it in the pin13.net parser http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvasilis.nl%2Fvoto%2Foggy%2F140518170029%2F
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aaronpk also http://indiewebify.me/ is a great validator
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GWG aaronpk: What can I do to get a personalized microformats 2 assessment?
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aaronpk pretty good! http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvasilis.nl%2Fvoto%2Foggy%2F140518170029%2F
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GWG I could use one for the plugin I'm testing before I backport it
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aaronpk GWG: have you run any of the posts through indiewebify.me yet?
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GWG aaronpk: I'm trying to test the comment markup
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GWG I don't think there is a test for that there
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk i think my comment markup is incorrect right now :/ so you probably shouldn't ask me
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GWG Just the comment markup, because that is what the plugin does.
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vasilisvg aaronpk: Thanks!
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GWG aaronpk: Maybe, but I respect your opinion.
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GWG I think my coding is subpar, so I'm always convinced something is wrong.
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aaronparecki.com created /webhook (+944) "stub with dfn and some examples" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /photos () "(-614) /* Software */ remove Trovebox criticisms and link to main Trovebox page instead" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /photos (+257) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add myself, sort alphabetically" (view diff)
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aaronpk well that was a weird rabbit hole
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bret aaronpk ok i have the multipart data in a sane way
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aaronpk oh good!
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bret would it be bad to just ignore the file?
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aaronpk ??
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bret oh wait
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bret what is the URL of the file name?
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bret err wait, the file at that URL is sent as the file upload
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bret i see
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rascul aaronpk gzip just to cut down on the size
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aaronpk rascul: yeah, but at like 35mb total there isn't a lot of reason to compress it
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rascul oh i figured they would be more
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aaronpk turns out text is small
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rascul curl http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC/logs/4-12-14 | grep party
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rascul could be nifty to do that sorta thing
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aaronpk ha!
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aaronpk you kind of can `curl http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-17 | grep party`
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aaronpk er,
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aaronpk curl http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-17 | grep webmention
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rascul not quite as fun that way
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aaronpk i should make it return plain text when the user agent is curl
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rascul yeah i was thinking that just now
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Loqi fo sho
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rascul well actually you probably might want -s with curl so the progress stuff doesn't get mixed in the output
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aaronpk the process goes to stderr so isn't included in grep
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aaronpk done
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aaronpk curl http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-17 | grep -i webmention
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rascul yay!
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk complete with rel=next/prev Link headers
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@PenmanRoss Heard about Web Mentions on @thewebahead. They look really cool and I plan to implement them at some point. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/468106204200566785)
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bret aaronpk: what is the file name from own your gram from IE: 'igML88uf.jpg'
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aaronpk I think it's just a randomly generated file name
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aaronpk There isn't a lot to go off of, the Instagram file name is pretty random too
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bret I'm trying to wheigh the pros and cons of storing potentially many images in a git repo vs asking you for the image url for hotlinking
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aaronpk You could upload to s3 or something
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aaronpk I store my photos in the Git repo
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bret any major drawbacks?
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bret that you have ran into
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rascul http://stackoverflow.com/a/3618476
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bret im just going to hack and slash my way to this working
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bret >:D storing in git it is
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aaronpk It's probably not a good plan long term to have all my photos in Git, but at least they don't change so there is only one copy in the history
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bret i figure that one day ill use a totally different software and just keep the raw html for archival purposes anyway
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aaronpk hack-and-slash++
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aaronpk just registered micropub.net (finally)
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bret how many domain names do you own?
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aaronpk you don't want to know
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bret XD
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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aaronpk or rather, I don't want to htink about it
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KartikPrabhu i thought you'd have a list or something
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aaronpk i have two lists
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KartikPrabhu <flips his proverbial wig>
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aaronpk everything is registred at either namecheap or dreamhost
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KartikPrabhu aah so you have everything in their admin interface
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aaronpk the namecheap mobile app is really good, just used it to buy micropub.net since it was faster than on this wifi network
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KartikPrabhu wonders if he should get krtk.me for short urls
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aaronpk that's a good one!
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KartikPrabhu sounds like ttk.me :P
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KartikPrabhu I am really on the fence about short urls though
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aaronpk i like them for sending via channels where long URLs would be awkward
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aaronpk writing down on paper for instance
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KartikPrabhu see: http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domain##indifferent+about+short+URLs ;)
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@PenmansPocket Ross added http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention) to his Pocket. (twitter.com/_/status/468152717303881728)
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aaronpk bret: I just put up some docs here https://tokens.indieauth.com/ would love any feedbackon it since you're actually using it
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