#indiewebcamp 2014-05-24

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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469959390078832640/9632722 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: oh can't bleack remove the whole script tag?
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KartikPrabhu s/bleack/bleach
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: kylewm: oh can't bleach remove the whole script tag?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: heh, i see what it's doing... i would use bleach to clean up short entries, but when the content is pretty long, i convert it to flat text and truncate to 200 characters.
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kylewm (since I can't reasonably truncate html)
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KartikPrabhu you could bleach it and then truncate
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kylewm hmm, maybe. by default it just html encodes the bad stuff...
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kylewm >>> bleach.clean("<script>alert('hi')</script>")
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kylewm "&lt;script&gt;alert('hi')&lt;/script&gt;"
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: you can strip the tag but not remove it it would seem
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KartikPrabhu http://bleach.readthedocs.org/en/latest/clean.html#stripping-markup
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kylewm i wasn't that excited to work around bad wordpress.com markup anyway, but if there's a strong use case for it, might be worth figuring out
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KartikPrabhu yeah! edge case... I wouldn't bother
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KartikPrabhu is a rel=webmention on an <a> tag widely supported?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: probably not widely yet
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snarfed bridgy supports it, and i think known and pfefferle's wordpress plugins plan to (or do already)
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KartikPrabhu well switched to that anyway! I wanted the webmention endpoint only on post pages, so I put it on the "Learn more" in the webmention form itself: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/IWC-2014
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: does bridgy publish pick up the p-summary of a very long note to tweet?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 48 minutes ago: does bridgy publish pick up the p-summary of a very long note to tweet?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: hmm no, but that's a good feature request. feel free to file it in github!
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: scratch that...
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snarfed oh?
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KartikPrabhu i don't think notes should have markup in them just plain-text. bridgy should just use the first few lines as a syndication prompt
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KartikPrabhu but I reserve the right to change my mind about this ;)
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snarfed heh
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KartikPrabhu just keeping it simple, for myself and for bridgy. I don't want to write code to add p-summary markup to notes and all that :P
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aaronpk has anybody made any progress on an h-entry to RSS proxy?
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aaronpk er, h-feed to RSS
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aaronparecki.com edited /archive (+18) "see also [[wiki/backup]]" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I am curious about that as well. I ran into a stupid error because I forgot to update my db-to-RSS code
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aaronparecki.com edited /2012/Demos (+23) "/* Beeminder for the IndieWeb */ sp" (view diff)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yeah totally
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aaronpk i've accidentally broken my rss feed a few times
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KartikPrabhu unbeknowst to me my RSS/Atom was down for a couple of weeks
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aaronpk in this case tho I'm wondering specifically because it would be nice to be able to create RSS feeds from wiki pages or categories
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: on another note, is there a micropub client where I can test my endpoint?
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aaronpk although in practice i'm not sure if it'll be that simple
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: ownyourgram.com is probably your best bet since it includes a lot of debugging/step-by-step stuff
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aaronpk but also barnaby's http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new will work
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KartikPrabhu but I don't have instagram :(
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aaronpk oh! hm
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aaronpk yeah I should make a really simple note interface
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aaronpk with all the debugging steps of ownyourgram
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KartikPrabhu also about barnaby's client have you used that? I tried loggin in but after logging in it redirects me to the indeauth page
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aaronpk odd... it works fine for me. but it doesn't handle error cases super well yet.
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KartikPrabhu you just log in using his little login form at the bottom right?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk hm I wonder how fast I can build this by copying most of ownyourgram.com
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aaronpk that seems worthwhile at this point
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KartikPrabhu yeah I should just bother barnaby about his clinet
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aaronpk honestly it's probably more work for him to add debugging info than for me to just do this
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KartikPrabhu he should fix it nonetheless :) but if you manage to put up yours I'll use yours to test. right now just seeing if the authorization endpoint and all are working not really posting through micropub... #babysteps
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aaronpk the hardest part will be picking a name
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aaronpk and a domain
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aaronpk or subdomain
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aaronparecki.com edited /webhook (+305) "headers for examples, add beeminder with link to 2012 demo" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/469526033268350977/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu names are always hard
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aaronpk how about indiepost
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: the indieauth does have a redirect_url=http://waterpigs.co.uk but it doesn't redirect me there for some reason
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aaronpk oh strange, I get a server error trying to sign in now
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aaronpk well if you don't plan on actually posting anything, try signing in to ownyourgram.com
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: that worked! successfully logged in and authorized to post! w00t! thanks :)
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk nice!
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KartikPrabhu now for token validation... for that I'll need to attempt posting :)
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aaronpk you can always use curl!
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aaronpk there should be examples on the micropub page
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aaronpk what is micropub?
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Loqi Micropub is an API spec that is used to create h-entry or h-event posts on one's own domain using third-party clients http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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aaronpk methinks there should be a !wiki command for that so it looks less silly
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KartikPrabhu I did test using curl. but wanted to do some wild-testing to be sure... thans to ownyourgram debug info I can now also login into waterpigs :)
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aaronpk awesome!
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KartikPrabhu sweet! test posintg toally worked without actually posting... man this is awesome!
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KartikPrabhu micropub++
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Loqi micropub has 1 karma
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469959390078832640/108312839 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (webmention)
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aaronpk ok it's super super basic and ugly but it works
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KartikPrabhu is thinking about having a /itch on his own website to document itches
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aaronpk nice!
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KartikPrabhu POSSW = Post on Own Site Syndicate to Wiki
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KartikPrabhu not a cool name
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aaronpk wiki counts as elsewhere
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KartikPrabhu once I can do micropub from barnabywalter's client, I'll work towards making my own so we have atleast 3 clients
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aaronpk cool. mine is almost done.
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aaronpk it's not super great but it works
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KartikPrabhu If I finish all of this in a month, I' have something to show off at IWC-East! :D
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aaronpk i'll launch it tomrorow. too much overhead junk to launch tongiht. (nginx config, ssl config, etc)
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KartikPrabhu is it aaronpareci.com/indiepost?
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KartikPrabhu alright I'll wait for it...
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KartikPrabhu goes back to tinkering
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aaronpk you're like 2 hours later than west coast right? it's super late there!
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aaronpk oh! i got micropub.net
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aaronpk I could put it at post.micropub.net
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aaronpk or indiepost.micropub.net
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aaronpk ok that'll happen tomorrow
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KartikPrabhu It is pretty late here but I am getting in a groove. good for doing not good for sleeping
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: https://tokens.indieauth.com/#verify seems to say I should get access token in a header called Authorization but barnaby's client sends it as a POST parameter 'access_token'
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KartikPrabhu aah do this tomorrow... I'm out!
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KartikPrabhu goodnight Loqi
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Loqi sleep tight!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469959390078832640/15681166 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (webmention)
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@whaity Doesn't seem much in the #indieweb way for ghost or not that I can find. Will need to get a to do list together for the long weekend. (twitter.com/_/status/470178286107377664)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469959390078832640/977 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (webmention)
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jonnybarnes.net edited /https (+98) "/* Level 4 security */" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes its amazing how quickly an edit on the wiki is posted here by Loqi
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Loqi is done
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@SavedTabs http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/470217520947789824)
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bret aaronpk my project stalled out when i found barnaby
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bret s h-entry to atom tool
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aaronpk oh yeah
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aaronpk i'm cleaning up the quick micropub client I made last night
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bret !!
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bret aaronpk are you turning p3k into a micropub account?
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aaronpk not exactly
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aaronpk I copied ownyourgram and am turning it into a client that posts just plaintext notes
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aaronpk cause it has all the debugging walkthrough stuff before you sign in
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bret rad!
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lzangrando Hi all. I was at Brighton last October. I want to help make indieweb accessible to non tech people like me
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aaronpk welcome lzangrando!
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aaronpk have a read of this page http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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lzangrando Cool. It wasn't there yet and then I disappeared :[]
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aaronpk yep! that page came about after indiewebcamp sf
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lzangrando I'll read it carefully
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lzangrando Done quickly.
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lzangrando Apparently I share the same level as Lynn of the post quoted in level 3.
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lzangrando But I dont share the conclusions
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lzangrando I am willing to be the guinea pig to experiment how to make things simpler
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aaronpk great! we're still mostly introducing gen 2 people right now
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aaronpk so it would be great to start thinking about bridging the next generation soon
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lzangrando Not sure if im gen 2 or 3 have to read carefully :)
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lzangrando Truth im not able to posse yet
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aaronpk I'm curious what conclusions you disagree with from Lynne's post
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lzangrando She doesn't seem to be willing to try go beyond. I am!
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aaronpk well that's great to hear!
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lzangrando I compleyed level 1 and I'm stuck at point 1 of level 2.
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aaronpk so do you have your own website?
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aaronpk step 2 of indiewebify.me?
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lzangrando I see several things that have been done like Bridgy but I'm not sure what comes first and if there is a pre packaged way to include eg microformats
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aaronpk well it depends on your website. do you use wordpress?
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lzangrando I realise it's just a matter of language
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lzangrando No I publish static content with ... dont remember the name, pretty famous...
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lzangrando My website is lionzan.me
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lzangrando Guess you can tell from the source
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aaronpk great! well at the very least you should be able to sign in to the wiki and add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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lzangrando Yes of course! I completed level 1!
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lzangrando And edited the wiki eg for my profile for brighton.
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aaronpk ah great!
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lzangrando I'll edit the irc page soon
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lzangrando For microformats I know im conceptually close but I need some help fot the mental leap :)
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@adrechsel @mathewlowry Check out https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention and http://t.co/2453SzPJyT. (twitter.com/_/status/470268099040903168)
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macbodachland.com ian created /User:Macbodachland.com_ian (+229) "create page" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469959390078832640/15123426 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (webmention)
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lionzan Bye
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lionzan No idea why my id changed from lzangrando to lionzan. Long way to go :)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: you around?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469959390078832640/114517363 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (webmention)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: now I am!
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KartikPrabhu hi aaronpk: was a little confused about https://tokens.indieauth.com/#verify the "Bearer" in the Authorization field is not some name right?
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aaronpk "Authorization: Bearer _____" is from OAuth 2.0
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aaronpk specifically the bearer token usage http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6750
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aaronpk and about your earlier question, barnaby's interface sends the access token in a form field because it's literally a form! the browser can't send that authorization header
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KartikPrabhu so I should be checking both headers and form fields... gotcha
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aaronpk yep
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KartikPrabhu if i understand the Bearer thing right, the if my token is "abc" then I should have the authorization header a "Bearer abc"
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aaronpk maybe I should make this new test client randomly choose to send the access token in the header or post body lol
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yes
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KartikPrabhu cool! thanks
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: you around?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: earlier today in Dusseldorf there was a session on IndieMark - I want to talk about improving http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (twitter.com/_/status/470297702933475328)
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@macfarlandian because i don't have enough distractions, i've decided to evangelize for the #indieweb. OWN YOUR DATA! i'm at Level 1 http://indiewebify.me (twitter.com/_/status/470298668088573953)
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub (+265) "/* Clients */ add IndiePost" (view diff)
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@SimonCoopey Wrote half a webmention client. Returned to finish it five weeks on. No idea what anything does. Have to restart. Comment your code, kids. (twitter.com/_/status/470302971302273025)
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aaronparecki.com edited /git (+17) "add dfn tag" (view diff)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: still looking for me?
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KartikPrabhu yeah sure... do you know how to handle form-encoded responses in python example: https://tokens.indieauth.com/#verify see the token verification response
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kylewm urllib.parse.parse_qs
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kylewm just sec, lemme look up the 2.7 equivalent
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kylewm oh duh, it's just urlparse.parse_qs
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@SEOSEM RT @kevinmarks: URL based payment protocol for Bitcoin http://t.co/Fp3OXrRiDA… #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/470322121634484224)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: also I found another case where html5lib fails. it does not find the u-photo on https://kartikprabhu.com/about
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KartikPrabhu hmmm thanks will look at that
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aaronpk wth!
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aaronpk I literally just launched this app and snarfed has already tried logging in
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aaronpk within seconds
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: seems that html5lib disregards anything that is inside a <noscript>
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: ya, I think it might have html encoded the things inside <noscript>
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KartikPrabhu hmm.. annoying.
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snarfed1 aaronpk: :P
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snarfed1 from my phone no less
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snarfed1 lucky timing, just happened to check my feed reader right then
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aaronpk ha!
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aaronpk which feed did you see it in? github?
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snarfed1 yeah
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aaronpk sweet
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kylewm snarfed: do you happen to know off the top of your head whether the facebook API treats usernames and user ids interchangeably? i'm trying to POSSE tagged people
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snarfed kylewm: in most places yes it does
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snarfed definitely when you use them in api urls
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kylewm snarfed: that's excellent, thanks :)
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aaronpk alright KartikPrabhu feel free to switch to testing with https://indiepost.micropub.net/ !
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KartikPrabhu neat! thanks :)
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aaronpk took longer than I wanted it to take, but I spent a while on some very small details
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rascul Once you've signed in, you'll see an interface like the below which you can use to write a post. Clicking "post" will make a Micropub request to your endpoint.
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rascul "like the below" might not be right! https://indiepost.micropub.net/docs
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aaronpk oops I moved it to the right
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rascul oh well i also meant maybe you need a "one" between "the" and "below"
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rascul and yeah it's not really below either
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aaronpk fixed thanks
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rascul :)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I am getting a SSLError while trying to verify tokens from IndieAuth it says "hostname 'tokens.indieauth.com' doesn't match either of 'mail.indieweb.org', 'indieweb.org'" this does not seem to be an SNI issue since the domains are completely different
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aaronpk that actually sounds exactly like an SNI issue
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KartikPrabhu oh! hmm
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aaronpk what http client?
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KartikPrabhu this is the python requests library... not sure what it uses
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: do you know how to deal with python's SNI issue
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: noo, I haven't encountered that
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KartikPrabhu i suppose it is fixed in py3! :|
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aaronpk it may also be because of an old openssl underlying library
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kylewm you should upgrade to py3, join me in its glory
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk chances are the python library just uses the core openssl underneath anyway
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aaronpk so if you can update your system packages it may fix itself
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kylewm tantek.com is down?
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aaronpk UHOH
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aaronpk that looks bad
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aaronpk tantek: ^^^
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I didn't use tokens.indieauth.net
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kylewm more likely that than a py2/3 thing
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: for future reference if oyu want: http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/community/faq/#what-are-hostname-doesn-t-match-errors
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aaronpk "This support has not been back ported to Python2."
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aaronpk ok yeah wow, python2 doesn't support SNI at all
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KartikPrabhu yeah. there are some "hacks" to fix that...
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KartikPrabhu is now conflicted between 'get micropub working' or 'port to py3' and avoid all the pain..
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tantek :(
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tantek bandwidth exceeded apparently
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tantek and here we go again I have to track it down
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KartikPrabhu your are getting too famous for your own good
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aaronpk yikes. you might consider switching to a host that has a larger bandwidth limit.
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tantek clearly I don't know how to post content efficiently or something :P
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aaronpk I have 15TB/mo bandwidth at Linode for example
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aaronpk I would be impressed if you had more than 15TB/mo traffic
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: get micropub working :) python 3 is a rabbit hole you might not want to go down right now
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kylewm aaronpk: out of curiosity, how do you mark up mentions of people like in http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/09/15/1/indieauth-now-supports-openid-delegation
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah I am not even able to install those SNI-fix packages on my host! <grumble grumble>
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kylewm I was thinking about swiping the wiki markup and doing something like [[Aaron Parecki|Aaron]]
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aaronpk kylewm: you mean what does my source look like?
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kylewm aaronpk: yes, that could have been clearer
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tantek I guess I'm trying to make things work with a "cheap" VPS hosting account as part of the challenge of making the indieweb economically accessible?
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aaronpk I type @peat and it adds everything automatically from the mapping of usernames to profile info I store
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aaronpk tantek: no idea what you're paying, but dreamhost is certainly a cheap-ish shared host that is probably roughly equivalent to your current one
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tantek $10/mo.
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aaronpk dreamhost is about the same. $9/mo if you pre-pay a bunch
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aaronpk unlimited storage and bandwidth tho which is nice
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tantek how's their support turnaround?
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aaronpk reasonable, iirc. I haven't had to contact them recently though
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tantek I like my current host as when bad things happened (i.e. security compromise) they were EXTREMELY responseive.
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tantek (way more than any phone company that's for sure)
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rascul digitalocean is $5/mo for the cheapy one
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aaronpk dreamhost is certainly proactive about getting people to update their wordpress installs
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aaronpk and I can understand not wanting to go the full VPS route especially if all you've got is a small php site
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rascul heroku and openshift can be good too
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rascul if you don't want/need the full vps type thing i mean
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tantek I'm curious what caused the bandwidth exceeding (last time the culprit was Atom feed)
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tantek I can't access my stats or anything until they reactivate my site.
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KartikPrabhu can verify tokens now! :D
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tantek Anyway, it's at least important to document these kinds of problems so we can capture at least the challenges with web hosting service(s)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: congrats! what'd you do?
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KartikPrabhu I made set it to nor verify the SSL bit temporarily...
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aaronpk ah yeah
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KartikPrabhu not optimal but hoping it'll go away if/when I port to py3
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aaronpk anybody have old screenshots of twitter when they showed which app was used to post the tweet?
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aaronpk hm here's one http://cdn1.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/08/56mp.jpg
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aaronpk it was on the timestamp line
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KartikPrabhu that's neat... tantek does something similar with BBEdit right?
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aaronpk goes to check tantek.com
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aaronpk realizes it's still down
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk "11:34 on 2014-03-16 using BBEdit"
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KartikPrabhu yeah example: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2013-346-tantek-home-posts.jpg
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aaronpk hm i'm not sure I want to give that much weight to it on my site
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KartikPrabhu you are thinking of this for micropub?
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aaronpk well the micropub request already includes the client_id
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aaronpk I'm thinking about where to display that on my site now
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KartikPrabhu footer of posts is the only place I can think of
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aaronpk well I have a sidebar with some other stuff like the tags and syndication links
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: does indiepost send token in the header?
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aaronpk yes
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KartikPrabhu nice! SO now I can implement that too :D
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aaronpk but i might make it have a 50/50 chance of sending in the post body
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aaronpk just to throw you off
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KartikPrabhu could you keep it at headers for a while so I can implement it :D
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aaronpk i won't touch it for a while :)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: should I be testing that the Authorization header has the exact word "Bearer" in it?
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aaronpk probably yeah, although you likely will never get any other values
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aaronpk HTTP basic auth uses the word "Basic"
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aaronpk e.g. Authorization: Basic QWxhZGRpbjpvcGVuIHNlc2FtZQ==
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KartikPrabhu hmm... so I shouldn't be strict about it?
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aaronpk well you should check for Bearer, because if you got "Basic" then you'd need to do something completely different with it
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KartikPrabhu oh ok cool
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rascul ooo i just discovered this http://validator.w3.org/feed/
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bret yeah I used the hell out of that when writing my feed
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tantek looks like the culprits were bots :(
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tantek #1 source of hits were from something claiming to be Mozilla/4.0 (compatible
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tantek MSIE 5.5
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tantek Windows NT 5.0)
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tantek #2 source of hits were from Mozilla/5.0 (compatible
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tantek Pimonster
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tantek www.pricepi.com)
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tantek both of which were 10x the next UA
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tantek is tempted to just block IE5.5 as nearly no human is using that any more - got to be a lying bot
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tantek #3 is *also* a bot: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible
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tantek EasouSpider
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tantek +http://www.easou.com/s
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