#indiewebcamp 2014-05-29

2014-05-29 UTC
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aaronpk
!tell barnabywalters we just booked tickets to Iceland for the weekend of Dec 5!
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 55 minutes ago: do you remember which microformats meetup at 21st Amendment that you first came to years ago?
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Loqi
aaronpk: lionzan left you a message 6 hours, 53 minutes ago: I made it! your code works within S3 (but still very rough way of doing things mine)
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 40 minutes ago: looks like maybe 2009-09-23? http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-09-23-weekly-dinner-sf looks like upcoming.org isn't redirecting event permalinks to archive.org URLs yet, but when it does: http://upcoming.org/event/4521748/
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 30 minutes ago: when did you start using a cert from a trusted CA on your own site? Do you remember when you got the cert / installed it / made sure it worked for https://aaronparekci.com/ ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
tantek: yeah that sounds like tr right one
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aaronpk
Indiewebcamp Iceland anyone?
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caseorganic
!tell benwerd tantek: http://www.travelzoo.com/vacations/europe/-725-Iceland-Northern-Lights-Getaway-w-Air-Save-370-1765725/ Aaron and I booked a flight to Iceland 12/4-12/9. Join us?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
There is no intell
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aaronpk
Untell*
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aaronpk
Tantek: looks like I started using the real ssl cert on 2013-11-10
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GWG
aaronpk: You and caseorganic are going to see barnabywalters?
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tantek.com
edited /https (-1) "/* Level 3 security */ aaronpk 2013-11-10"
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (+23) "/* IndieWebCamp */ next id"
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tantek.com
edited /apprentice (+734) "dfn, change headings, encourage Homebrew Website Club participation"
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tantek.com
edited /apprentice (+69) "/* For Creators */ at most one apprentice per creator per indiewebcamp"
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tantek
what is an apprentice?
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Loqi
An apprentice, in the context of the indieweb, is an IndieWebCamp participant who has not yet setup a personal domain with IndieAuth, but is passionate about owning their identity & data on the web and dedicated to doing so, with the help of a creator http://indiewebcamp.com/apprentice
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tantek.com
edited /about (+153) "dfn, home page"
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tantek.com
edited /about (+9) "link home page"
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tantek.com
edited /home_page (+35) "see also about, icon"
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GWG
tantek has been busy
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tantek.com
created /about_page (+19) "r"
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jonnybarnes
is aaronpk there?
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jonnybarnes
anyone else having issues with indieauth? it says there are nor rel=me links on http://jonnybarnes.net/
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jonnybarnes
interistingly indieauth.com (or should I say Ruby on 173.230.155.197) is making a HEAD request when its trying to scan for rel=me links
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jonnybarnes
am I meant to have rel=me info in the headers?
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jonnybarnes
I like pin13.net's User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh
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jonnybarnes
Intel Mac OS X 10_8_2) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/29.0.1547.57 Safari/537.36
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jonnybarnes
I just dont understand why a HEAD request is being made
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jonnybarnes
and my server is sending a 200 response back
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jonnybarnes
so presumably somethings borked
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jonnybarnes
!tell aaronpk I can't get indieauth.com to find my rel="me" links on my homepage, any idea what's going wrong?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
jonnybarnes: It seems to be working when I put http://jonnybarnes.net/ in the IndieAuth box
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KartikPrabhu
of course I can't authenticate as you but it is finding the rel=me links
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jonnybarnes
weird, its working now
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jonnybarnes
wow, facebook isnt an approved authentication providor
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KartikPrabhu
i think facebook doesn't shoe rel=me on the link back to your website or something of that nature
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Loqi
barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 21 minutes ago: we just booked tickets to Iceland for the weekend of Dec 5!
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barnabywalters
!tell aaronpk yay! marked in my calendar, looking forward to seeing you both!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
Good morning
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pdurbin
GWG: good morning
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GWG
Good morning, pdurbin
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GWG
What indiewebish things are you up to today?
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pdurbin
dunno if this d3 visualization I worked on over the weekend counts: Connectors (nicks) between IRC channels - http://irc.greptilian.com
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GWG
Nice though
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pdurbin
thanks. I'm just learning about d3 but I like it a lot
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ellton
hello guys!
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GWG
Helo, ellton
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ellton
I liked a lot indieweb principles
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ellton
but im felling alone in Brazil
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ellton
doyou know someone following this principles here in Brazil?
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GWG
No. But ask tantek, he seems to get around. Maybe he'll stop by.
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ellton
GWG: thanks. as i said, i'm a newbie
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GWG
Well, different country or not, most people here are helpful.
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ellton
i have a question: can i use web sign-in on corporate sites like gmail or facebook?
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GWG
You mean Indieauth?
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kylewm
ellton: you can use indieauth as your OpenID provider on sites that support OpenID, but no not facebook/google
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ellton
kylewm: if someday they support openid...
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Loqi
lionzan: kylewm left you a message on 5/28 at 11:44am: small tip on the microformats markup on your site -- if you move the author image inside your h-card, parsers will be able to pick it up
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lionzan
msg kylewm thx! I thought that having in my sidebar h-card was enough, but of course it is not related to the post! I'm going tro make the change :)
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lionzan
tell kylewm not so clear how to include it without showing it in the HTML...
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kylewm
lionzan: actually you're right, the sidebar h-card is enough if you don't have one associated directly with the post
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lionzan
good! but how come my img does not appear in the webmentions anyway?
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tantek
welcome ellton! what's your personal site?
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ellton
ellton.tk
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ellton
i'm on step 0 yet
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kylewm
lionzan: the authorship algorithm looks for the h-card most closely associated with a given post. you've got <a class="p-author h-card" href="http://lionzan.me">@lionzan</a> in the h-entry, which doesn't have am image associated with it
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kylewm
since your permalink pages have an h-card in the sidebar, you don't have to have one embedded in the post as well
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lionzan
I see, it makes sense. how do i associate an img without showing it in the site?
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lionzan
I mean, how do I put an u-photo in the post h-card without showing it on the site?
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kylewm
lionzan: I use style="display:none" for the image on my permalink pages. not everyone agrees that that (hidden stuff)'s a good thing
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tantek
ellton - that's a good start!
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lionzan
kylewm let me try. I agree in general, but i think it makes sense to avoid having your image all over your site :)
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aaronpk
lionzan: you already have your photo on each permalink in the top right corner http://lionzan.me/2013-07-17/oir-3-own-your-mailserver/
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Loqi
aaronpk: jonnybarnes left you a message 3 hours, 36 minutes ago: I can't get indieauth.com to find my rel="me" links on my homepage, any idea what's going wrong?
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aaronpk
so that could be your author h-card
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Loqi
aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 2 hours, 33 minutes ago: yay! marked in my calendar, looking forward to seeing you both!
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aaronpk
(looks like jonnybarnes got it working eventually?)
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rascul
aaronpk popular today!
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aaronpk
yesterday technically
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lionzan
aaronpk, yes, but apparently it doesn't show up because it's overriden by the p-author class in the post h-entry, which doesn't have a u-photo associated
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tantek.com
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tantek
ellton, go ahead and add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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lionzan
it doesn't show up in the webmentions on other sites
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kylewm
lionzan, simplest thing is to remove h-card from the p-author
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aaronpk
!tell jonnybarnes looks like this problem was indieauth.com not properly reporting an http -> https redirect. I'm going to drop that restriction soon anyway: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/28
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
aaronpk, this is what I remember you saying at the time: http://indiewebcamp.com/Upcoming#Aaron_and_Tantek_met_via_Upcoming
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lionzan
kylewm ok I'll do it!
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aaronpk
lionzan: yeah if you already have an h-card on the page then you can just use that instead of adding the new one!
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aaronpk
tantek: close! but actually I found the event by searching google for the date, and ended up finding the event listed on the microformats wiki!
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lionzan
aaronpk, great. I just wasn't sure if the parser would consider the site owner as the post author
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tantek
really?!? I thought you'd said you just checked Upcoming in SF to see what tech events were going on that day
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tantek
since when does googling dates work for the present / future?
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aaronpk
since the microformats wiki was so thorough :)
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kylewm
aaronpk: am i interpreting this correctly http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/13/1/realtime-indieweb-comments##WebSocket+Server to mean that you are running a node.js process on your server?
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aaronpk
kylewm: yes. (but it sometimes crashes)
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GWG
Is there an h-feed tester?
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kylewm
silly nodejs
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aaronpk
hopefully solved by: while true
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aaronpk
do node server.js
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aaronpk
sleep 1
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lionzan
!tell voxpelli I'm using your webmentions app but I have a question. Why does the text of my post on your site is not updated to reflect changes in the original post?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
aaronpk: ha, I assume that's basically what `forever' does anyway
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tantek
GWG - try the /readers
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GWG
tantek: I just think I added the h-feed correctly
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tantek
goes down the rabbit hold of Googling the date of that microformats meetup 2009-09-23
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tantek
s/hold/hole
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: goes down the rabbit hole of Googling the date of that microformats meetup 2009-09-23
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aaronpk
I believe my search terms were: 2009-09-23 meetup san francisco, but might have been "september 23, 2009" meetup san francisco
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: cool, also Im confused looking at my logs, indieauth makes a head request first, then a get request
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Loqi
jonnybarnes: aaronpk left you a message 11 minutes ago: looks like this problem was indieauth.com not properly reporting an http -> https redirect. I'm going to drop that restriction soon anyway: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/28
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jonnybarnes
why? surely a get request would produce the same headers
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aaronpk
i'm not sure if that was intentional in this case... but I normally do that because if the HEAD request results in finding things then I don't need to download the whole page
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bnvk
aaronpk: so… that message format has evolved a bit, turns out, we're going to use multipart/mime with the microformats HTML inside the text/html part :)
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kylewm
bridgy sometimes uses a HEAD request to check the content-type before downloading an unknown page
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aaronpk
bnvk: whoa what! is it documented on that etherpad page still?
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bnvk
at the bottom
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bnvk
the attachments that you started exploring complicated things quite a bit
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GWG
Okay, that Intertubes thing barnabywalters has up seems to interpret it.
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
bnvk: will take a look later!
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bnvk
aaronpk: cool, it's a rather strange solution, but seemed to make most sense on a lot of levels
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tantek
aaronpk - wouldn't it be nice if Google let you see your own search query history by timeline?
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tantek
bnvk cool! what microformats are you using?
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tantek
nicely done ellton!
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bnvk
tantek: as well author & date related MF
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tantek
bnvk - very cool!
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ellton
aaronpk: done. ;-)
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tantek
snarfed - that's close, but I was hoping for something where it just used your existing cookie
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tantek
rather than requiring some explicit on switch
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tantek
since they have the data, they're just not exposing it
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tantek
in a broader sense, it would be useful to be able to browse *all* the data they have collected on you that feeds into their ad systems
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snarfed
tantek: actually not quite. they scrub logs after somewhere btw 6 and 18 mos, and much of the extra details stored in history they don't store at all, or only temporarily (until the log savers get to it, ie days)
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tantek
ah yes, I'd heard about the log scrubbing, and that makes sense
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snarfed
re ad targeting, agreed. there is something that shows your demographic and psycographic buckets, but only high level. should be searchable
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voxpelli
lionzan: my webmentions endpoint doesn't yet support updating the contents a mention
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Loqi
voxpelli: lionzan left you a message 21 minutes ago: I'm using your webmentions app but I have a question. Why does the text of my post on your site is not updated to reflect changes in the original post?
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lionzan
I see, no prob, just to make sure it wasn't me doing sthg wrong
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lionzan
thx!
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /Upcoming () "(-1241) apparently Upcoming was not how aaronpk found the microformats meetup but rather [[Google]] Search!"
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@blacklightllc
Millennials more aware of digital information collected and tracked by companies #ownyourdata @JohnM_Haddad: ‘Your Data Trumps Big Data’
(twitter.com/_/status/472032506221318144)
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tantek
that's kind of a messed up infographic
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tantek
who thinks like that?!?
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tantek
hey https experts - I briefly saw the mixed-mode warning triangle on https Twitter profiles - what would cause that?
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tantek
in other news, Twitter seems to have switched everyone over to the "new" profile page (the one that looks like a FB profile page). I never switched mine over manually.
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tantek
should've taken a screenshot
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KartikPrabhu
yuck! horrible "inforgraphic"
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luxagraf
speaking of https experts :) anybody know why nginx would fail to report TLSv1.2 support: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=images.luxagraf.net
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luxagraf
and yes it is most definitely compiled with latest version of openssl and the config seems right
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Loqi
benwerd: caseorganic left you a message on 5/28 at 5:32pm: tantek: http://www.travelzoo.com/vacations/europe/-725-Iceland-Northern-Lights-Getaway-w-Air-Save-370-1765725/ Aaron and I booked a flight to Iceland 12/4-12/9. Join us?
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luxagraf
tantek: wasn't seeing new profile and then i remember that i had done this: http://craigmod.com/satellite/twitter_for_minimalists/ still (mostly) seems to work if anyone dislikes the new version
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benwerd
is going to the UK in December, seriously wondering about hopping there from Iceland
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kylewm
luxagraf: do you have a line like this in your nginx config? "ssl_protocols SSLv3 TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2;"
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luxagraf
kylewm: that's exactly what i have in there
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luxagraf
kylewm: and this morning i recompiled it and explicit set the path to openssl source files
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jonnybarnes
luxagraf: openssl doesn't get the correct certificate: http://pastebin.com/NqdjqmBM
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: ah. hmm. that's odd.
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snarfed
hey benwerd! any word from rockit?
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benwerd
snarfed! no - good nudge. I'll follow up right now
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snarfed
thanks!
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jonnybarnes
luxagraf: you still there?
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tallpaul
benward: you know Icelandic Air allows free stopovers on thier flights to the UK?
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GWG
tallpaul: Are they unlimited stopovers?
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GWG
What does their Cat. 8 say?
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tallpaul
From what I recall when I flew it might be return leg only but you can stop over a cople of nights at least
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG: ding ding ding sding ding ding
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, thats a fox
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I'm confused.
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, stupid meme, ignore me
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: yeah
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jonnybarnes
so I'm getting somewhere
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jonnybarnes
just checking, once SSL is sorted, Im currently being given a 403 response by images.luxagraf.net
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jonnybarnes
is that right
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: still trying to make sense of that error message
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luxagraf
that was one attempt. should work now though
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jonnybarnes
thats getting the right certificate
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: oh well there's no indexes allowed so it 403s
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jonnybarnes
cool right
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jonnybarnes
so when I tried to connect using just TLSv1.2 I got this error
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jonnybarnes
140735088419680:error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number:s3_pkt.c:337
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kylewm
snarfed: hiya, any guess about the rogue comma at the bottom of this reply? seems to be between two u-mentions https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100899177468069/10100899177468069_10100899201674559
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: yeah it seems like, despite compiling with openssl 1.0.1e, nginx can't use v1.1 or v1.2 for some reason
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GWG
luxagraf: I think it will get there
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snarfed
kylewm: looking
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snarfed
probably a bug introduced by the upstreamDuplicates changes
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: that's still getting error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
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snarfed
kylewm: filing in github, thanks for the report
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kylewm
snarfed: sure thing
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jonnybarnes
thats an s_client thing, unlike a fully fledged web browser it can't get and verify intermediate certifiactes on the fly
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: ah, okay. I'm still getting the git.luxagraf.net cert for some reason when I run it.
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jonnybarnes
are you adding the -servername parameter?
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GWG
snarfed: I'm looking at your issues.
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snarfed
misinterprets that, for a laugh
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GWG
I saw one I had a suggestion for
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jonnybarnes
luxagraf: can you ssh into your server?
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jonnybarnes
what do you see when you run which openssl
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jonnybarnes
and is that the path that nginx is compiled against?
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: usr/bin/openssl and no that's not because my understanding was nginx wanted the source files, not the binary
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: make had no errors when compiling and it definitely grabbed a lot of openssl related .h files
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GWG
snarfed: Is there such a thing as a send-reply-to tag?
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snarfed
(context for the channel: GWG is thinking about handling front page webmentions by redirecting them to another page)
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snarfed
GWG: not that i know of. we could make one up as rel-alternate, like some people do now for h-feed pages
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GWG
snarfed: But, the idea makes sense, I think.
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snarfed
fair warning though, i'm not really an mf2 person, and what i just said may be wrong or make no sense
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snarfed
maybe!
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GWG
I meant, identifying if a webmention isn't directed at a specific page on a site, redirect
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GWG
That part of it is bigger than Bridgy
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jonnybarnes
luxagraf: if you're using openssl s_client, you can add the opstion -CAfile /path/to/cacert.pem
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snarfed
definitely
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jonnybarnes
that gets rid of the error about verifying the certificate
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GWG
snarfed: I wonder if this is, in the short term, an issue filed against the webmention plugin for Wordpress
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snarfed
GWG: actually i think the use case and proposal aren't clear enough yet
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snarfed
i'd start with the use case(s)
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GWG
snarfed: Question is, where is the right forum to explain the use cases?
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GWG
Article? Here?
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GWG
I'm new at that type of discussion.
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snarfed
home page mentions are very rare right now. jeena, known, maybe gRegor` and aaronpk support them, not sure of who else, afaik mostly for http://indiewebcamp.com/messaging
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snarfed
GWG: either!
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: nice. thank you.
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GWG
For now... Use Case
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snarfed
i'd start by looking at the current usages
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GWG
luxagraf over there likes snarfed.org. You don't want to clutter your home page noting how many people liked the site overall....so you want to shunt that to a secondary page
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GWG
That would be using like as sort of an 'endorsement.'
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snarfed
sure! that's one use case
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snarfed
messaging is another
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: using that i can confirm what ssllabs was tell me, TLSv1.1 and TLSv1.2 don't work
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GWG
Yes. But are people interested in messaging over webmentions?
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jonnybarnes
luxagraf: best I can say is its either a problem with nginx/openssl or with your conf file then
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snarfed
GWG: some are! and have already done it, http://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb-messaging
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luxagraf
jonnybarnes: yeah i think nginx and openssl are not talking for some reason. thanks for the help though
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GWG
snarfed: Interesting
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GWG
Lots in that wiki
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: GWG: displaying received mentions is different from the page actually receiving mentions. You can get a mention to your homepage but display it elsewhere without having some rel stuff
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KartikPrabhu
or maybe I am misunderstanding the use case
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: I thought of that point, that it can be configured on the server.
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GWG
But when you look at the messaging case, there is a case for the server to say where the messaging endpoint is.
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KartikPrabhu
not really. you are messaging the person who is represented by the homepage
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GWG
Okay.
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KartikPrabhu
so you should send the mention to the homepage. the person may display it in some other messaging page but that is upto the person
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KartikPrabhu
screenshot 100 people in IRC!
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GWG
Then the discussion falls back, for me, to incorporating the idea of into the software I use, which means discussion with its creator
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: at least that is my take on this... other may disagree :)
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GWG
Well, I may just comment on what snarfed said.
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: yes it might be a problem with how to do this on Wordpress which I am not really familiar with
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GWG
I think, in the interim of the big picture, I have a temporary suggestion for the Wordpress implementation I think is worth discussing.
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JonathanNeal
For those using SVGs and supporting IE, we can ask IE about using external sources with <use> by tweeting to @IEDevChat or using #AskIE https://twitter.com/IEDevChat/with_replies (reference: http://css-tricks.com/svg-use-external-source/)
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KartikPrabhu
<must not reply with IE snark... abort>
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JonathanNeal
KartikPrabhu: Well, they are listening, so I figure if folks are expressing interest, it helps.
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KartikPrabhu
JonathanNeal: I know the intentions are good, hence the snark abort :)
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GWG
Hello, tantek
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tantek
hello GWG
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@kartik_prabhu
@neilhimself @carnegiehall June 27 might clash with potential @indiewebcamp meetup :( #firstworldproblems
(twitter.com/_/status/472072346551853057)
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KartikPrabhu
oh forgot that this got pinged here! :D
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tantek
realizes there's both a /homepage and /home_page that he's contibuted to. :/
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: does quill automatically log me out eveytime or just not save my session?
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tantek
well, Wikipedia redirects their /homepage to /home_page so by default we can do the same.
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GWG
tantek: Webmentions to the homepage....your thoughts?
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tantek
GWG hence I brought up /home_page. And pretty sure I've documented a bunch of use-cases somewhere on the wiki
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tantek
short summary off the top of my head
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tantek
1) mentions of people in posts (e.g. like twitter @-mentions), 2) private messaging, 3) event /invitations
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: it's probably not saving your session properly. I thought I set the cookie expiration to like 10 years but maybe I didn't do something right
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GWG
Yes. But, should they be considered webmentions to the site as a whole or the homepage as a single unit?
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GWG
That's the protocol question
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: so technically it should not ask me for a login everytime?
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KartikPrabhu
hmm it seems to do so. does that not happen to you?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: there's also an "add to home screen" bookmark which you can put on your phone or in a browser bookmarks bar
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tantek
GWG - what's the difference? I don't understand from a use-case perspective
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tantek
hmm - looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_page is ripe for a rewrite
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: hmm neat
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aaronpk
hm it is logging me out too. will have to fix that.
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: also happy to report Quill seems to work nicely with both slug and in reply to :D
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aaronpk
hooray!
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: did you note 100 people in IRC?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I see 102 currently
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KartikPrabhu
there was 103 momentarily
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: could you create the pages for HWC 2014-06-04 and 2014-06-18? Both are at Location TBD in SF BTW. Thanks!
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tantek
clickable new page links here: http://indiewebcamp.com/events
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: this presumably is the same as previous ones right?
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tantek
except for note about Location TBD in SF
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tantek
definitely start from http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club since quiet writing hour was new & popular (I think there was demand to do it again)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: is there no Portland meeting for those days?
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tantek
aaronpk, dietrich ^^^ either of you hosting/avail for HWC 2014-06-04 2014-06-18?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: assume ESRIPDX unless aaronpk says otherwise or dietrich says MozPDX
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kartikprabhu.com
created /events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club (+2395) "new page for 2014-06-18"
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /Events (-25) "/* Upcoming */ 2014-06-18 location TBD in SF"
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luxagraf
meh, i guess level 4 https will have to do
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bret
I could probrably make it to hwc next week
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bnvk
is there a preferred MF value for things like tags or is that just rel="tag" ?
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bnvk
and what about unique content id pertaining to where a piece of content comes from (e.g. Facebook, Twitter) ?
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snarfed
bnvk: bridgy generates tag uris based on silo ids and uses those as mf2 uids
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bnvk
ah interesting
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snarfed
e.g. tag:facebook.com,2013:200590280142030_rsvp_1216101 in https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/1216101
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bnvk
cool
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bnvk
thanks, snarfed
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aaronpk
yep next week at esripdx is good!
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barnabywalters
!tell bnvk RE microformats tagging and IDs, “p-category” and “u-uid” sound like what you’re after
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
barnabywalters: Hello
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barnabywalters
greetings GWG
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GWG
barnabywalters: That feed reader of yours...it wouldn't work if didn't set up my h-feed? Or it would? I can't find an h-feed tester
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barnabywalters
it’s a bit clumsy, but you can test h-feeds by going to http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/new/, dragging a “fetch posts” module onto the canvas, and putting your URL in
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GWG
barnabywalters: THat is what I did
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GWG
But I also have an RSS feed
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barnabywalters
GWG: and what happens?
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GWG
How do I know it is using the h-fed
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GWG
feed
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GWG
It seems to work
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barnabywalters
GWG: that tool doesn’t consume RSS, so if it works then your h-feed is good!
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barnabywalters
my new feed reader will probably consume RSS/ATOM as well as h-feed, as there is so much of it out there
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barnabywalters
first checking for microformats2, then falling back to feed files if they exist
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aaronpk
i just had a hilarious idea. twittify.io/aaronparecki.com -> parse my h-feed and h-card and present a page that looks like twitter but from data on my website
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: as well as being hilarious, it would be an awesome way of testing homepages!
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GWG
I need to add it to the Wordpress archive.php file next, but I think I've got this.
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barnabywalters
especially with some simple common error checking and suggestions
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aaronpk
twitterfy.me
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GWG
SO, what can I add next that will mess it up again?
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barnabywalters
GWG: is that a rhetorical question? :)
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GWG
A little
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GWG
barnabywalters: I may try Location next
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GWG
I can rephrase
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GWG
What new features can I add next?
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aaronpk
wonders what it would take to implement these API methods on a server so that I could use the wordpress mobile app to post to my own non-wordpress site http://codex.wordpress.org/XML-RPC_WordPress_API
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GWG
aaronpk: Look at the new JSON REST API that is going to replace it.
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aaronpk
is that official?
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GWG
aaronpk: The API is now official. Tentatively scheduled into 4.1
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aaronpk
oh wow that was yesterday
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aaronpk
how long until the mobile apps use it tho?
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aaronpk
I don't want to *use* the wordpress API, I want to emulate it so that I can use the apps
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GWG
aaronpk: I'm saying that I'm betting it will come not too long in the future
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GWG
The JSON thing is way overdue
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GWG
XMLRPC is a bad protocol
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aaronpk
darn, that means I should probably wait
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GWG
aaronpk: It is old and not wonderfully secure or flexible.
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GWG
The day they activate the JSON API, I'm disabling the XMLRPC system if they don't.
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aaronpk
is there any talk about updating the mobile apps yet?
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GWG
It looks like it might already support it
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GWG
The API is in Jetpack
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aaronpk
but does the wordpress ios app speak json right now? do you understand what i'm trying to do?
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snarfed
aaronpk: i bet it does, since wp.com doesn't support the xmlrpc api, and i'm sure the ios app supports wp.com
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aaronpk
huh, funny
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snarfed
(same w/the android app)
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@aaronpk
@mapkyca You should take a look at the latest work I've been doing with #IndieAuth which is essentially a way to... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/29/1/indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/472122117937324032)
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tantek
can @thedatahive say something new about the IndieWeb instead of tweeting their same article?
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aaronpk
I know, I always get excited that they may have something new to say when I see those tweets, then realize it's the same article again and again
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ben_thatmustbeme
That would involve actually writing another article. Remember, repeating your tweets over and over again makes them better. Right?
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tantek
aaronpk, he didn't even bother to incorporate your @-reply about /generations
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KartikPrabhu
this seems to be some strange vapour-site
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aaronpk
they're a consulting company i think. not vapour, just not a product.
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KartikPrabhu
hmm <shrug>
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aaronpk
benwerd: so when do we get to add Known to http://indiewebcamp.com/business-models ?
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benwerd
aaronpk: heh, soon ;)
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aaronpk
also j12t!
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benwerd
we're still at a kind of requirements gathering stage
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j12t
We’ll get there … not yet
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aaronpk
is eager :)
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benwerd
so many use cases for ownership in particular, which of course we're going to wrap up into something we can share back to the community
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benwerd
(while being aware of privacy etc)
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tantek
benwerd, that's a great photo of you and erinjo presenting! love it.
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aaronpk
interesting, this company is ditching passwords completely, and instead you sign in via a link sent to your email http://blog.shopittome.com/2014/05/29/bye-bye-passwords/
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benwerd
tantek: thanks! I'm glad they took it - just a shame the slide wasn't the one with the indiewebcamp group in the background :)
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benwerd
aaronpk: packagr does that too, and I've seen it elsewhere
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benwerd
I feel squicky about it
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aaronpk
most services have a password reset feature via email which is essentially the same thing
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tantek
yeah because email services are never compromisd
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aaronpk
I think the fact that companies are doing this is more of an acknowledgement of how terrible password databases are and recognizing that people want to sign in with their own already-existing identity
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aaronpk
it just so happens that right now the only way to actually do that and still continue to have a service people can use, you have to use email
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aaronpk
I did find it interesting that they explicitly called out not using facebook login as a benefit
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tantek
yes, that is interesting, though note they kept it explicitly as an option
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tantek
so given that UI, why not do Persona discovery first? and then fallback to 1-click link in email?
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aaronpk
has anybody demonstrated persona login for an ios app?
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tantek
aaronpk - it works
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tantek
btw that blog's comment form / setup is busted
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aaronpk
i'm sure it does, i've just never seen it
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tantek
I tried to leave a comment
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tantek
and it said:
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tantek
"Click back and type in the correct password. (Spam Free Wordpress)"
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tantek
(there is no password)
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aaronpk
heh... yeah
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tantek
and I don't know what Spam Free Wordpress [sic] is
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tantek
haha nice
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aaronpk
ok bye for now! giving a talk in 15 minutes on the indieweb for quantified self + connected home devices! :)
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j12t
mention Apple getting into the market reportedly
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j12t
no indie there
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snarfed
break a leg aaronpk!
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tantek
aaronpk woot!
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mowens.com
created /User:Mowens.com (+16) "Created page with "Michael K. Owens""
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tantek
very nice mko! now add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people :)
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tantek
nice :D
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KartikPrabhu
mko: small nit, you might want to do have background: no-repeat on the search icon
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mko
@KartikPrabhu: That's a relatively abandoned version of the site from over a year ago. Thanks for the feedback, though.
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KartikPrabhu
aah np... I thought you had missed it accidently
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mko
I'm launching a new version soonish. It's one of the reasons I'm actually updating my identity links.
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@katelosse
@scottros really enjoying reading your thoughts on the indieweb. I'm having many similar thoughts-- looking forward to seeing where it goes
(twitter.com/_/status/472136514613555202)
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snarfed
"linked to,"
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snarfed
new bridgy markup is working
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GWG
snarfed: What new markup?
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kylewm
snarfed++ that's fannncy!
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Loqi
snarfed has 28 karma
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snarfed
thanks kylewm!
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GWG
snarfed: Would the presence of dupe rel-syndication links be an issue for Bridgy?
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@indiecomputing
Time for #indie computing - no more sharecropping on other people's clouds http://indiecomputing.com/c/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/472142333090091008)
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snarfed
GWG: i don't think so
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snarfed
you mean, two different posts that have rel-syndication links pointing to the same silo post?
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snarfed
that would be odd but should work ok
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snarfed
and a post that has two rel-syndication links to different silo posts is definitely ok and expected
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GWG
snarfed: I meant the same post that has two rel-syndication links to the same silo post
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snarfed
ah, got it, a literal dupe
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snarfed
should be fine
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snarfed
happy to have it tested though!
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GWG
I have the Twitter icon with link in two places on the page
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GWG
How?
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GWG
It's on all my pages now
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snarfed
has bridgy sent you a response since you've had that dupe link?
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snarfed
that'll be the test :P
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snarfed
(and thanks for asking!)
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GWG
snarfed: I don't think so.
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GWG
snarfed: But bear in mind, I need more people to comment
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snarfed
easy to try, i'll go like one of your possed tweets
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GWG
Recognizing you have already
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GWG
I moderate, so I'll eliminate any dupes you do
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snarfed
ah, you're thinking it might send you two webmentions
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snarfed
i think it won't, but maybe
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snarfed
that is allowed in the webmention spec, though. used for updating and deleting
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snarfed
anyway. favorited your most recent possed tweet. feel free to hit the poll now button on https://www.brid.gy/twitter/dshanske
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GWG
snarfed: I meant...you liked it from snarfed
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snarfed
aha right
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GWG
You don't want five pictures of you there, do you?
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snarfed
:P not the biggest problem in the world
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GWG
Not coming
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GWG
snarfed: Wonder why Bridgy doesn't see it
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pauloppenheim
!tell aaronpk ahh! i haven't been to AWE since it was ARE, good luck on the talk
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
GWG: hmm. check the log? the "polled X minutes ago" link
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GWG
Doesn't show it
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snarfed
yeah, it hasn't seen the new favorite yet. i hit the poll button again, maybe this time
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snarfed
i'll look in a min
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GWG
snarfed: I hope it isn't me
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GWG
Of course then it means its your code.
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GWG
Which I hope not
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GWG
So....I have mixed feelings
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snarfed
heh. don't worry! not a big deal either way.
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snarfed
it hasn't seen the twitter favorite at all yet, so it's not even fetching your site to begin with
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snarfed
it would log if it was
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Loqi
bnvk: barnabywalters left you a message 3 hours, 24 minutes ago: RE microformats tagging and IDs, “p-category” and “u-uid” sound like what you’re after
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kylewm
aaronpk: tiny suggestion, i'd like it if the default font on the IRC logs was 'monospace' instead of 'courier'
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rascul
courier is eww
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KartikPrabhu
Q: if resources like CSS are sent gzipped by the server is it still useful to minify them?
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rascul
i never compared, but i doubt there would be much a difference
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rascul
compare size of gzipped and minified to just gzipped
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rascul
also, often you can skip on the fly compression by the web server and store it gzipped
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KartikPrabhu
i figure that the gzip takes care of the "spaces and nextline stuff" also it is easier to debug if not minified
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rascul
indeed
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j12t
Should there be a page on the wiki that lists “indie companies” aka companies that build products / services specifically focused on this?
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tantek
j12t I suppose if there's enough pages for such companies, we can create collections for them
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tantek
especially if there is an emergent pattern
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j12t
also, people who might be willing to do some consulting helping somebody / some company to go indie
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j12t
just made up a new phrase, how do you like it?
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tantek
sure, consulting seems like a good business model - did you check /business_models to see if it's on there?
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j12t
use case: i’m Dan#2, I write, I read what Dan did with his blog, and I’d like to do the same. Who do I call who will sit down with me and make me successful?
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j12t
in this use case, I’m not looking for a business model, but for a phone number
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tantek
j12t - you call indiewebcamp.com/discuss
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tantek
which brings you here
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tantek
and you start asking questions
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j12t
if I’m really geeky, sure, nobody else will do irc
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GWG
tantek: I'm still trying to figure out multi-author sites
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: really? there will be people willing to have an indieweb blog but not click on a link for IRC?
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j12t
yes, I would think about 100 times as many
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tantek
j12t - that's why all you have to do is click web links to participate here
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tantek
and people with an indieweb blog are comfortable clicking web links and participating in an online forum
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j12t
this is not how people buy stuff. they aren’t looking to talk in my use case, they are looking to hire
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j12t
just a suggestion, i think there’s a use case here that’s important, but then, YMMV.
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KartikPrabhu
is confused. has this hiring thing happened once already?
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j12t
counter-question: can it currently happen?
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KartikPrabhu
maybe. maybe not
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tantek
j12t usually people looking to hire are looking to talk first
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tantek
j12t - if it's an important use-case, do you know of any concrete examples? can you point to any blog posts that illustrate your important use-case?
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j12t
ahm. but not to the same people.
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tantek
this is sound a bit hypothetical
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tantek
s/sound/sounding
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: this is sounding a bit hypothetical