#indiewebcamp 2014-06-13

2014-06-13 UTC
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basal Hey all, I was wondering if there are any meetups coming up? I'm in the SF area for a little bit
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rascul http://indiewebcamp.com/events
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aaronpk found another reason to allow different domain for the client_id and redirect_uri
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aaronpk the wiki needs to allow the redirect URI to be indieauth.com
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rascul i just now realized that it's trivial for me to support different markup formats
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rascul this is something that i might due sometime, if people actually use my stuff
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rascul s/due/do/
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Loqi rascul meant to say: this is something that i might do sometime, if people actually use my stuff
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@mnot Getting shown around @indiewebcamp by @t (twitter.com/_/status/477246300228820992)
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@kevinmarks @fordie listening now, and yes it does sound like @t's #indieweb person mapping. @leolaporte @ginatrapani @jeffjarvis let's talk again (twitter.com/_/status/477246837254918144)
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@kevinmarks @fordie @leolaporte @ginatrapani @jeffjarvis here's the post where @t documented it http://tantek.com/2014/067/b2/mockups-people-focused-mobile-communication (see follow ups too) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/477247480032018432)
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@kevinmarks Wait @googlechrome is patenting people as apps for actions? Can we prior art this to death now? http://www.informationweek.com/mobile/mobile-business/google-imagines-people-as-applications/d/d-id/1269566 #indieweb #fixpatents (twitter.com/_/status/477252517198196737)
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KevinMarks Holy crap, this patent is all phrased in 1997 tech
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KevinMarks And seeems to be for web interstitial ads, not what the article describes at all
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KevinMarks Here's the actual patent http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20140157138
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bret KevinMarks: it was filed in 2012, does that mean they beat us?
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aaronpk I dunno, I feel like this pretty much describes a contact list app
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acegiak morning, all
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aaronpk morning
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GWG Hi, acegiak
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acegiak GWG: how are you?
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acegiak so a job I applied for has asked for a php code sample which includes an class with at least two functions one of which has to be a mysql query and the second of which can do "something magical of your choosing" so I'm trying to decide what to do
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GWG acegiak: Frustrated
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GWG acegiak: I think I won't go to work tomorrow. Or the next day
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acegiak fair enough
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GWG Let me think about your question for a second
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GWG MAgical....
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GWG FOr some reason, magical makes me think Disney
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acegiak I'm thinking something along the lines of a recursive search down a tree structure stored in the database
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GWG What is magical in PHP
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acegiak or some kind of string folding
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GWG I'm afraid I'm drawing a blank right now
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acegiak is ok
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GWG I'll tell you if anything pops out at me
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acegiak I'll get there
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acegiak kk
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aaronpk use some of the new PHP stuff in 5.4 or 5.5
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acegiak this good idea
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GWG Anyone have thoughts on icon fonts?
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acegiak I'm not a fan
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acegiak an icon isn't text
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GWG I meant instead of graphic icons
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GWG http://genericons.com/
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GWG Like this set.
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rascul i like em
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GWG Instead of loading a bunch of images for your icons.
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rascul yeah they can be easier to work with compared to images
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acegiak I don't mind the approach bootstrap takes which is to have one iconmapimage
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rascul fontello is good too
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GWG Even Wordpress has an official icon font
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GWG http://melchoyce.github.io/dashicons/
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rascul fontello is good because you can make your own sets based on others
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@portlandfilm RT @hertling: Halfway through a migration from blogger to wordpress to go #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/477285740972236800)
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GWG Anyway..
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GWG I'm thinking of sharing some links on my website. I think that may be classified in the wiki as a bookmark
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GWG I don't like the name linkblog
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GWG I believe kylewm calls it a Share
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tantek GWG - hence bookmark is more canonical
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tantek "Share" is meaningless
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GWG tantek: I'll agree vague, not necessarily meaningless. It has a meaning on certain silos
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GWG What's the expression...specificity is the soul of narrative.
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tantek GWG - not really - it's become to mean send something from x to y
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kylewm "share" is what I called "repost" before I knew there was a well-defined name for it
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tantek "share" is kind of like the verb "smurf"
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GWG tantek: The blue guys?
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tantek yes. and the way they use "smurf" as a verb for anything
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tantek btw is it worth tracking "indyweb" or should we correct those using it to use "indieweb"? e.g. #indyweb on twitter
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GWG tantek: I always found Gargamel a bit offensive as a character.
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GWG Indyweb sounds like a name for Indiana's Municipal Broadband program
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aaronpk I think we're pretty consistent about "indie" vs "indy" and most other things use "indie" as well
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tantek ok
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GWG I think I may go back to theming for a bit. I need something simple and logical. I'm burned out a bit on creative problem solving
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GWG Icon fonts and h-entry meta data placement.
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GWG That seems not stressful somehow
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GWG A while likely being a day
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rknLA good evenin
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GWG Hello, rknLA
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aaronpk waves
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GWG rknLA: Reading your projects
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rknLA how're y'all doing?
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rknLA GWG: orly? not megatons in the way of indie web yet.
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GWG rknLA: isn't that a challenge?
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GWG Do you want there to be?
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rknLA haha, yeah, it is, i suppose
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GWG rknLA: What do you want to do?
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ngoldman rknLA: real good :]
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rknLA ngoldman: ohai
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ngoldman y*ll is a highlight word for me
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ngoldman straight to tha phone
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rknLA GWG: i might try to migrate my tumblr over tonight. i've already run a script to grab all of the data. have some backlog reading to do on http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Storing_External_Content and https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Storage_format
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ngoldman cool!
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rknLA ngoldman: lolol
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rknLA does that mean you'll phone will buzz with this too?
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GWG rknLA: I'm a Wordpres person myself.
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GWG GWG sends things straight to my phone
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rknLA heheh. you might imagine what sends things to mine.
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rknLA i've actually got some wordpress content that i want to migrate out as well
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rknLA i get too many spam email pingbacks on what i currently have :(
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rknLA i also don't really like writing php, so wordpress becomes unappealing to extend for me :\
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GWG rknLA: Understood
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kylewm ngoldman: does that mean you're a southerner? luxagraf was looking for someone to start a meetup in GA :)
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GWG ngoldman: You aren't on the IRC people directory
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bret kylewm: ngoldman works at esri pdx :)
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bret been to hwc n stuff
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kylewm drat!
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kylewm i mean, that's great!
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GWG Learn something new every day
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GWG I've always wanted to visit a part of Georgia not inside Atlanta airport
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ngoldman yup I'm in Portland. will add myself to yon ppl directory soon. first I must buy toothpaste at this generic supermarket
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bret toothpaste adventure
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rknLA *generic toothpaste adventure
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bret https://twitter.com/erinjo/status/477239091122032640
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@erinjo What one website do you most hope that people find when they do a search for you? (twitter.com/_/status/477239091122032640)
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bret ed says twitter
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bret eeeeeeedddddd
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rknLA whoa. irccloud oembeds tweets now...
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GWG rknLA: You use IRCCloud?
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rknLA yea
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rknLA for better or worse
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GWG rknLA: You like it?
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rknLA it has its pros and its cons
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rknLA i've been doing developer support as part of my job for the past year and a half, so it's a convenient way for me to get push notifications from being in an IRC channel 24-7
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rknLA i kind of wish i could use it as a proxy from a desktop irc client sometimes though
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rknLA mostly because it's not easy to cmd+tab to
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GWG rknLA: I had to get creative
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rknLA what do you mean?
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GWG I have a ZNC instance running on a low end VPS which sends mentions to Pushover
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bret znc is pretty neato
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rknLA what's pushover?
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GWG https://pushover.net/
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rknLA wow, that looks pretty great
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GWG There is also Pushbullet, which is similar, but not quite.
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aaronpk say that gives me an idea...
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GWG aaronpk: Yes?
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aaronpk downloads Pushover
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GWG aaronpk: What's the idea?
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aaronpk it's a horrible hack
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aaronpk but might work until I build this http://indiewebcamp.com/mention-app
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aaronpk finds an RSS-to-pushover integration
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rknLA hmmmmmmmmm
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rknLA i like where that's is going
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aaronpk subscribes to http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/?url=http://aaronparecki.com/mentions
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rknLA *that is
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GWG rknLA: Which part?
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GWG rknLA: I use Pushover to notify me of server issues and such
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rknLA using pushover to do mentions
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rknLA (via rss)
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GWG rknLA: I do it with Wordpress. It sends me notifications of mentions
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aaronpk yup. until I get http://indiewebcamp.com/mention-app working this just might do the trick
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rknLA that also sounds like a good idea. (server issues).. probably simpler than pagerduty for personal stuff.
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GWG I'm an Android user, and push notifications for Android would require some work.
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GWG But this is just a simple command to implement
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aaronpk push notifications on android are way easier than ios
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GWG aaronpk: I know. But still I'd have to go write an Android app
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aaronpk true
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GWG aaronpk: The barrier to using Pushover was low
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bret high fives aaronpk
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bret sweet
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rknLA is anyone in here using docker?
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GWG Not I
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bret docker runs like shit on my computers :(
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bret mainly due to the vm
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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bret rknLA: https://github.com/boot2docker/boot2docker is the way to go though
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rknLA interesting.
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rknLA i'm installing it on an ubuntu 14.04 digital ocean box right now to test it out
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rknLA boot2docker looks really handy for local development though
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@jasongreen @timmmmyboy Intrigued by Known, but it looks like you can do indieweb with Wordpress plugins and themes. (twitter.com/_/status/477317794304782336)
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kylewm I didn't think docker required a VM, it does?
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bret if you are on a mac it does
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bret its linux containers
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kylewm oh got it
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aaronpk so.. i couldn't find a way to subscribe to my feed in pushover, but I did in Boxcar
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aaronpk but it's missing some critical components... like a feed title, and URLs for each entry, so it just says things like "Alex likes this" but I don't know what "this" is
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bret teehee
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bret little random "go aaron!"s throught the day
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rknLA ha, nice
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KartikPrabhu just realised Android apps are written in Java!
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snarfed for everyone thinking about android push notifs: KevinMarks has used them a lot and thought about both UX and implementation. worth talking to him for details!
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snarfed (benwerd too)
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acegiak any doco on the wiki?
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snarfed i don't think it's that concrete, just ideas, but KevinMarks might have some code available
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snarfed i've also done this which is related: https://github.com/snarfed/open-in-app
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snarfed better description: http://snarfed.org/2013-07-16_open-link-in-app
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rknLA has anyone put much though into short dates for URLs? i did some quick math, and you can use "/D9q/" in a URL to mean the same thing as "/2014/06/13/"... does anyone else do this sort of thing?
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rknLA tomorrow will be D9r
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rknLA (basically, just take unix timestamp truncated to number of days instead of seconds, then translate from base10 to base64)
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@jasongreen @aaronpk I'm missing something here. How does indieauth prevent anyone who knows your domain name from using it to login to a linked site? (twitter.com/_/status/477351337990955008)
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tantek rknLA - yes, I use short dates as part of my shortliks
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rknLA interesting. how do you come up with those characters? it appears t4WZ8 is 2 hours ago, according to twitter?
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cweiske tantek's newbase60 should that be
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/newbase60
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@slycontacts RT @freerange: Some notes about last night's #indieweb homebrew website club - http://t.co/AwQaX7KZdc. Thanks to all those that came! (twitter.com/_/status/477353035199303680)
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rknLA ah, thanks cweiske. i remember reading about that a while ago in a different context
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rknLA this also seems relevant: http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402947/NewCalendar
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tantek.com edited /note-list (+42) "dfn, separate examples sections, see also" (view diff)
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rknLA nice. today is 4W_
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@new_wp_plugins New #wordpress plugin: Semantic-Linkbacks- http://wordpress.org/plugins/semantic-linkbacks/ Semantic Trackbacks/Pingbacks/WebMentions for WordPress! (twitter.com/_/status/477360487093370880)
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cweiske.de uploaded /File:phorkie_remote_fork_display.png "phorkie displaying forks on remote systems"
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petermolnar morning everyone
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petermolnar just a little Friday fun: I propose a theme song for POSSE : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWDhvIb7BQs
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Loqi barnabywalters: cweiske left you a message on 6/12 at 11:23am: I could login fine
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barnabywalters cweiske: good to hear! nice work on your openid proxy too
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@oussamaxben How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb - http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/477420161431896067)
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@brennannovak How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/477420415007346688)
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@MolleeMarcus How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb - http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/477427683924508673)
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@nslater @bastianallgeier @misprintedtype would LOVE to see some PESOS and POSSE businesses though! http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/477435358008070144)
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tantek rknLA: see http://tantek.com/w/Whistle#howdothetshortURLswork for details of decoding e.g. t4WZ6
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KevinMarks Ré Android notifications https://github.com/kevinmarks/nanotweeter
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KevinMarks I'd love to extend that to Indieweb notifications as well as twitter
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GWG Thinking about geodata again
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GWG How to sufficiently obscure it
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GWG I have been setting up location data attached to posts
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barnabywalters GWG: round up the lat/long and don’t show the street address
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GWG To no decimal points?
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barnabywalters GWG: to whatever precision you’re comfortable with
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barnabywalters no decimal points is a *very* wide area
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GWG I am putting it in my post kind code to support check in
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GWG I am trying to figure out what gets me municipality level
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GWG Then I can get into comfort
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GWG I jump around a lot when not actually coding in planning
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GWG Right now, what else can I do on a treadmill?
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kylewm the thing that concerns me about sharing geodata is that someone could know when I'm at home or not
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kylewm specificity of knowing which coffee shop i'm in doesn't bother me :)
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barnabywalters kylewm: for me it’s that, and also figuring out where “home” is
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barnabywalters which is one of the reasons I’m very conservative about how much location data I post
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kylewm good point
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kylewm barnabywalters, GWG I'm rounding to two decimal places now. looks like that puts it within about 4 blocks
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GWG I had this idea of a time delay or using the data subsequently
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GWG I'm sure there is a wiki page about this
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GWG I'm looking at your site kylewm
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@chrbutler On the #indieweb: "When you post something on the web, it should belong to you, not a corporation." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/russell_davies/article/1298102/the-web-idealists-point-content-cant-truly-blossom-walled-gardens/ -@undermanager (twitter.com/_/status/477472003813683200)
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gRegor` geodata is still down the road for me, but I planned to have an option when I'm checking in to delay when it shows up publicly.
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GWG My plan is to start storing it now and figure out what to do with it later
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gRegor` I'm also thinking of it in more of a "quantified self" way. I am considering using a separate domain for all of that.
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GWG For me, this is for posts
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GWG quantified self is different
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gRegor` Yeah
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GWG But I put the location code in with the podt kind code and I keep wavering back and forth on that decision
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GWG kylewm, I like some elements of your design
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kylewm thanks, though "design" is being generous ;)
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GWG Calling me a coder is generous
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GWG kylewm, would you feel better if I told you what I don't like?
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kylewm GWG: actually yes that would be valuable. i'm about to be on a conference call though so i might not respond
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GWG kylewm, I will save it for when I am not on my cell
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/06/13/1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/RelMeAuth (webmention)
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aaronpk kylewm: personally I feel like there are a number of otherways someone can figure out if I'm at home or not, so that's not a big worry for me. Someone could, for example, wait outside my house and wait for me to walk out the door.
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barnabywalters aaronpk: wow
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barnabywalters such cunning
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barnabywalters very devious
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rascul easier to watch facebook checkins, don't even have to leave the couch!
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rascul eh i guess it doesn't really need to be facebook
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@indieboxproject Indie Box Meetup on July 14 now confirmed. #indiebox #indieweb http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/5876867437428736-indie-box-meetup (twitter.com/_/status/477492129388703744)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: yeah... you don't really need a whole social networking app to figure out if someone is home
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barnabywalters aaronpk: hence preventing the second point (discovery of home address through casual browsing) is higher priority
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bnvk but aaronpk: with digital tech, the robbers can optimizing their crime spree scheduling to hit as many homes as possible
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aaronpk barnabywalters: yeah that sounds like a better priority
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aaronpk bnvk: :P
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aaronpk barnabywalters: although that gets tricky very quickly. you have to decide what granularity is ok to reveal.
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, my previous home address is easily discoverable because it was where I ran my business from
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aaronpk go look at anybody's instagram feed and switch to their "map" view. you can very quickly see clusters of photos usually around home and work.
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aaronpk then go look at the individual photos and look for photos in bathrooms or on a bed
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barnabywalters instagram doesn’t obfuscate lat/longs?
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aaronpk but even then, you get a rough dot on a map. if it's in a dense neighborhood there may be 3 or more possible actual addresses
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aaronpk no, instagram doesn't obfuscate. Flickr did a good job of that though http://blog.flickr.net/2011/08/30/introducing-geofences-on-flickr/
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barnabywalters aaronpk: might be worth adding that to Instagram#Criticism
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kylewm !tell basal re: upcoming meetups in the bay area http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk yes... really liking the decision of line-by-line archives for my gps data https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14414043225_c9b489cb77_b.jpg
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kylewm aaronpk, FYI: https://github.com/quilljs/quill
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk oh well
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aaronpk next step is to merge all my archives into a single master archive. I somehow ended up with a few fragmented versions of the logs, and some overlapping too which is gonna be annoying.
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@thedatahive For the #indieweb to be open to everyone, it can’t just be a niche for technologists & early adopters: http://datahiveconsulting.com/2014/04/10/indiewebify-me-and-the-knowledge-gap/ (twitter.com/_/status/477535970515243008)
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bnvk I play this game with myself, when i'm yak shaving the most smelly of yaks- I try to think of what lyrics in the hip-hop universe fits my inner turmoil- then I blurt it out
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gRegor` Loqi has unforsaken us
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rascul Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 267 karma
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tantek darn - West is crushing East!
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gRegor` mwahaha
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GWG tantek: WHat do we do?
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gRegor` Soon to be 15, probably. Emailed my girlfriend with how to update her site so she can sign in to the wiki.
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tantek and btw good afternoon from Minneapolis!
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aaronpk that seemed to fit the definition of "quotation" so I added it
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tantek checks aaronpk's quotation examples
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tantek aaronpk, this is missing quotation marks: http://aaron.pk/bookmarks/?bookmark=to-everyone-who-is-complaining-about-popular-science-shutting-down-comments
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk fixed
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tantek same with http://aaron.pk/bookmarks/?bookmark=dylans-desk-frustration-and-fragmentation-rule-the-mobile-industry-for-now
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tantek also - none of the examples are marked up with <blockquote>, though they likely should be
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aaronpk yeah. i'm not gonna bother with that til I move these to p3k tho
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tantek (given that you're the only indieweb example right now, I'm picking on your markup so that others that mimic you do so with higher fidelity)
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tantek oh right, this is your wp
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aaronpk yeah
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@notalyce http://indiewebcamp.com reminds me of the good things about Jaron Lanier (twitter.com/_/status/477559379827236864)
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tantek WTF - how are we being compared to Jaron Lanier?!?
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tantek is very confused
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aaronpk probably this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaron_Lanier#Who_Owns_the_Future.22_.282013.29
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@notalyce Want2go2this http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge (twitter.com/_/status/477559903930687488)
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tantek weird. so he gets recognized just for endorsing someone else's work (Xanadu) ?
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aaronpk well he wrote a book about it I guess
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tantek ZOMS: http://www.jaronlanier.com/
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gRegor` steps out of time machine into '90s web.
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tantek seriously
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tantek can't tell if neglected, or deliberate retro.
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aaronpk "Jaron has no social media accounts at all and all purported ones are fake."
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aaronpk there's a list of 2014 events, so I'm gonna go with deliberate retro
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gRegor` meta "generator": Mozilla/4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP
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gRegor` EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh
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gRegor` U
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gRegor` PPC) [Netscape]
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tantek … or too lazy to update the style
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tantek Maybe he's still running a PowerPC Mac and Netscape 4.x?
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gRegor` has never heard of him before today. Not that that means anything.
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tantek gRegor`: it's ok, he's kind of one of those iconic figures.
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tantek uniquish name + appearance
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tantek.com edited /quotation (+609) "markup suggestion, note how/where aaronpk posts" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk what do you think of http://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#How_to_markup ?
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aaronpk does the quoted text not belong in the cite element?
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tantek.com edited /quotation (+38) "/* How to markup */ blockquote with explicit quotes" (view diff)
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tantek no it does not
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tantek a citation is not a footnote
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tantek or endnote
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aaronpk whoa, blockquote has a cite attribute? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/blockquote
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tantek it does, but is pretty useless since no browser ever did anything "visible" with it
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aaronpk what does that even do?
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tantek besides an info dialog
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aaronpk yeah I was gonna say...
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tantek nothing useful
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tantek ignore it
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tantek I used to fill it out (sometimes still do out of habit)
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tantek but it's invisible metadata, and as such is likely to either be wrong or get out of date
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aaronpk k. I'll include a full example there once I actually add them to p3k
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rknLA tantek: that shortlink computation writeup is helpful. i was thinking about just using it as the canonical url, though, since my main domain is already short (rkn.la)
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tantek you could do that
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tantek I prefer expansion to ISO ordinal because it's more human friendly
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tantek I mean even to me ;)
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rknLA hahah
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aaronpk same reason I include a slug in the URL
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rknLA yeah, i'm inclined to agree with that sentiment. have been a bit on the fence about it, tbh. also have been thinking about short slugs,
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tantek I expect humans of the future to have switched to ordinal dates
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tantek but I don't expect them to do base60 math in their heads
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rknLA so, if i wrote about date formats or something, the url might be like http://rkn.la/p/4Wa/dates
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tantek I find that people are suspicious of URLs with random looking strings
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tantek so it's a fear/usability/trust issues
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rknLA interesting.
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rknLA my thought is more, like, are people really going to be looking to the URL to see when something was posted?
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tantek and base60 (however you encode it) is going to look gibberish like to most humans (even us) if we're not expecting it
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rknLA probably gibberish even if we are.
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aaronpk rknLA: I do that in order to decide whether to clic a link sometimes
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tantek same here
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rknLA interesting. i suspect i probably do the same without realizing it, actually.
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aaronpk hm here's a tough question... do I trust my 2008 self to have stored these dates as UTC, or are they in Pacific time?
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tantek oh boy
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aaronpk mysql doesn't let you include a timezone offset in a datetime column
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aaronpk i think they are pacific time based on the values that are there
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rknLA that sounds fun.
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rknLA ;)
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tantek aaronpk, perhaps add to /database-antipattern
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tantek off for a bit
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aaronpk it's more a criticism of mysql specifically
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tantek then /mysql
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aaronparecki.com edited /MySQL (+352) "lack of timezone support" (view diff)
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kylewm rknLA: just as another datapoint, barnabywalters uses the base 60 encoded date for his notes
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kylewm so you could ask him if he's still happy with it :)
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rknLA !tell barnabywalters according to kylewm, you're using base60 encoded dates for your notes.. how are you feeling about that decision now? i'm considering doing something similar.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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rknLA you're the best, loqi
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@spigot Wow, this self publishing thing I believe in has a name. And a Twitter account. #indieweb @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/477573117053632513)
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@spigot It’s like I’ve found my people. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/477573260440125440)
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@spigot Contributing to my own #indieweb: @spigot Twitter account curated and archived on using #WordPress: http://spigotdesign.com/tweets/ (twitter.com/_/status/477573996146208768)
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@wp_digest RT @spigot: Contributing to my own #indieweb: @spigot Twitter account curated and archived on using #WordPress: http://spigotdesign.com/tweets/ (twitter.com/_/status/477574148974059520)
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kylewm whoa! http://spigotdesign.com/tweets/
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aaronpk wow very nice
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aaronpk made with:
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aaronpk http://planetozh.com/blog/my-projects/ozh-tweet-archiver-backup-twitter-with-wordpress/
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aaronpk and http://planetozh.com/blog/my-projects/ozh-tweet-archive-theme-for-wordpress/
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gregorlove.com edited /MySQL (+1208) "/* Lack of timezone in date columns */ add clarification about DATE, DATETIME, and TIMESTAMP. Quote MySQL docs." (view diff)
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gRegor` aaronpk: ^clarification on /mysql
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aaronpk cool thanks
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gRegor` recommend a timestamp field over a separate TZ field. Of course, that doesn't help with existing data :)
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gRegor` I became pretty familiar with that for my webmention implementation. :) I convert all the times to UTC so I can display them in local time and still chronologically correct.
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aaronpk I just end up not trusting the database to do anything correct with dates, so now I just write everything to the db as UTC
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aaronpk and ensure all my code is set to UTC, and very manually and explicitly do timezone conversions for display
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gRegor` Makes sense.
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gRegor` Tricky with DST though.
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gRegor` daylightsavingtime--
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Loqi daylightsavingtime has -1 karma
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aaronpk nah it makes DST easier to deal with
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gRegor` I was thinking of times that might be ambiguous, but I guess if they don't include a proper UTC offset or properly named/abbreviated timezone, it doesn't matter... just assume local time.
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gRegor` e.g. a date-time published in Arizona, which doesn't do DST. But they should be publishing their offset correctly.
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gRegor` So, nevermind. :) Still not a fan of DST.
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rascul i always store time as utc
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rascul things are just easier that way
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aaronpk yeah
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rascul postgres can store offset though but i can't recall that i've ever done so with it
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rascul damn i messed up my css and now i can't remember what it was :(
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shaners rascul do you have it in version control?
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rascul not yet i don't
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shaners :(
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rascul :( indeed, and this was the part that took me a couple days to figure out
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Loqi barnabywalters: rknLA left you a message 1 hour, 41 minutes ago: according to kylewm, you're using base60 encoded dates for your notes.. how are you feeling about that decision now? i'm considering doing something similar.
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barnabywalters rknLA: yep, I’m using 6 character identifiers where the first three are the ordinal day, and the last one-three are the number of seconds into that day
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rascul i use base62 on timestamps for short urls
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barnabywalters I like the fact that they’re predictably short yet meaningful, and that they order chronologically
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rascul only reason i use timestamp is because that specific timestamp doesn't change so every time i regenerate the site the urls don't change
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gRegor` The nice thing about using timestamp type (mysql) is that it's stored in UTC, *and* you don't have to perform any math to adjust it. Just set the timezone you want before your query and it works. Unless you're changing timezones a lot between rows, I think that's simpler.
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rascul the order they come in doesn't matter much to me in this case
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rknLA barnabywalters: hm. interesting. is that written up anywhere?
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barnabywalters rknLA: somewhat, on http://indiewebcamp.com/Taproot#Posts
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rknLA cool, thanks!
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kylewm barnabywalters, have you had anyone scared off of clicking a link by the apparent gibberish?
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barnabywalters kylewm: not that I know of — how does one measure that?
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kylewm barnabywalters, hehe good point. i mostly meant has anyone said to you "gah what's all that gibberish, i'm not clicking that!"
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barnabywalters kylewm: nope, that’s never happened
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kylewm so like with that @thedatahive article that was tweeted again today, it's nice that the url is 2014/04/10/... so i know not to click on it again
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barnabywalters kylewm: that’s a good benefit of having more human-readable dates in URLs
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aaronpk kylewm: every time that datahive article is tweeted I've looked at the date and not clicked cause I recognize it's old
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@veganstraightedge The #indieweb. http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/russell_davies/article/1298102/the-web-idealists-point-content-cant-truly-blossom-walled-gardens /via @t (twitter.com/_/status/477600244796882944)
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aaronpk unintended side effect of archiving all this data as individual txt files: instant replication to multiple other servers via btsync!
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aaronpk good luck getting that set up with some other database!
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