#indiewebcamp 2014-06-12

2014-06-12 UTC
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bret could webmention be made more consistent with microformat vocab?
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aaronpk bret: for what purpose?
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aaronpk the nice thing about webmention is that it's so simple and just a notification, doesn't actually contain any data on its own
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bret like should soruce/target be in uF? or some other term from uF be used instead?
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bret for consistency
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bret source/target is pretty damn simple
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bret http://bret.io/2014/06/11/openid-for-indieauth/
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bret kylewm: i broke your website
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kylewm bret, and I yours...
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bret LOL
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kylewm curious, how'd you see the webmention so fast?
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bret refreshed on accident
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bret still fixing some links
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kylewm my broken avatar is a little bit ironic given the post...
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kylewm :)
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bret XD
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bret fuck
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Loqi hehe
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GWG is brainstorming
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KevinMarks fingerprint auth makes me think of http://suw.charman-anderson.com/freelance-journalism/linux-user/oh-what-big-eyes-you-have/
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bret aaronpk: is webmention.io supposed to return a relative ulr for the photo?
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bret kylewm: fixed your photo, now all of bridgy's broke
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snarfed ruh roh…?
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kylewm bret, oh no what's going on with brid.gy?
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bret snarfed i think its webmention.io
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snarfed ah ok
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bret sometimes it returns a relative url other times it returns a full url
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bret for the photo
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snarfed on a related note, bret, bridgy's currently trying to send you a home page webmention :P
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/twitter/bretolius
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snarfed oh interesting, actually the failure isn't your fault. investigating
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bret i was about to say!
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bret whoa its all kinds of confused: http://bret.io/2014/06/08/billion-dollar/
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bret snarfed: sorry to unearth an edgecase
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snarfed no need to apologize. thanks for finding bugs!
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kylewm snarfed, the issue is there is a missing u-mention (i think that's what you called it) link to bret.io?
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, looked like it. i haven't dug much yet
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KevinMarks nice: http://www.jamesward.com/2014/06/11/testing-webhooks-was-a-pain-so-i-fixed-the-glitch
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acegiak morning, all
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wolftune acegiak: evenin here
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GWG Hi, acegiak
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bret wolftune http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html :)
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wolftune bret: heh k
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wolftune interesting
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GWG acegiak: By the way, I've had clarity
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acegiak yes?
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GWG I figured out how to solve the dilemma about the Wordpress embed code
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acegiak ooh! what did you come up with?
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GWG acegiak: Well, I wanted to use the Wordpress embed handler for displaying certain links. However, there were several comments that made me think that might not be the ideal option for everyone.
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aaronpk shoot is webmention.io doing something wrong?
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GWG acegiak: But, it goes back to what I would call the pfefferle solution...
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GWG acegiak: Action/filter hooks
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acegiak ok?
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GWG It is already in some of the functions.
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GWG Basically, a filter hook
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bret aaronpk, check some of the json records for my site
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bret bridgy vs regular webmentions from a site
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aaronpk hm yeah it's not resolving relative URLs
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kylewm !tell snarfed hey does this exception mean anything to you? having some trouble figuring out how to add things to a task queue http://goo.gl/xTJcSm
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` So I'm not really sure my girlfriend qualifies as an apprentice, but if IWC west isn't full is it OK if she sits in on some of it?
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aaronpk gRegor`: are you willing to help her set up a website for herself during IWC?
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gRegor` Actually, she has a domain. Just doesn't use it much. It links off to a silo blog on wordpress.com
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gRegor` I suppose I could, sure. We've talked about getting her set up with a better CMS system.
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gRegor` I just hadn't thought maybe that would happen at IWC. :)
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GWG acegiak: What is the $verbs variable for?
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aaronpk it's best when an apprentice can demo something they got working on their own site by the end, or show that they have even just a simple profile page set up on a domain that didn't exist before
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bret aaronpk what part of https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/blob/master/controllers/webmention.rb is actually doing the uF parsing?
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk i cheated
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aaronpk this part https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/blob/master/controllers/webmention.rb#L195
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aaronpk it makes an http call to pin13.net/mf2
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aaronpk cause the ruby mf2 parser didn't exist
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bret o.0
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aaronpk shh
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bret is the ruby one working now?
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aaronpk it is. i think i can replace it now
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bret https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-node is top notch btw
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GWG I'm trying to understand h-cite.
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GWG kylewm: I have a question for you
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kylewm GWG: what's up?
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GWG I'm looking at your site
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GWG So, you share links with a citation and mark them up as a repost?
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Loqi snarfed: kylewm left you a message 36 minutes ago: hey does this exception mean anything to you? having some trouble figuring out how to add things to a task queue http://goo.gl/xTJcSm
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acegiak GWG: $verbs is leftover from old code
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acegiak I thought I'd removed all occurences
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GWG acegiak: Figured. It is just the declaration, not the usage.
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GWG acegiak: Right now, I'm looking at u- vs p-
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snarfed kylewm: aha, yeah. have you seen the util.add_*_task methods?
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acegiak GWG: yeah it's tricky
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GWG acegiak: You don't mark up the URL on your site, you mark up the entire citation
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acegiak the citation has an anchor in it marked up as u-url
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kylewm snarfed, yes i tried to emulate the poll method here https://github.com/kylewm/bridgy/blob/ppd-update-syndication-urls/util.py#L87
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kylewm GWG, yeah reposts show up as bare links if the target doesn't have microformats
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snarfed kylewm: ahh. the queues are defined in queue.yaml
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GWG kylewm: That explains it
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GWG I'm looking at how people mark things up
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snarfed kylewm: do we want a new queue though? or just piggyback on the poll task?
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kylewm snarfed: I wasn't sure actually, I thought piggybacking on the poll task meant using the poll task to enqueue a refetch task, but actually just doing it all inside polling would be nice
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snarfed yeah i'm fine with that
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snarfed kylewm: remind me, we were thinking every 2h or so?
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kylewm I don't think we ever decided. 2h sounds right to me
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snarfed me too
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tantek wow lots of activity today!
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GWG tantek: Can I pick your brain?
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tantek no :)
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GWG Oh, well.
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gRegor` Try #zombiechat ;)
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tantek but you may ask specific questions :)
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GWG tantek: The concept is that there is a URL of some sort...that the h-entry refers to. I'm calling it a 'response URL' for variable sake, as it is something you are responding to. Let's say you are liking that URL. Under what circumstances would you mark the container around it with p-like vs just the URL with u-like-of?
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+139) "/* Introduction */" (view diff)
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cweiske tantek, I checked my logs and did not find any 504 errors. are you sure they were from my server?
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tantek cweiske - did you see the error message?
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tantek maybe it was from a proxy?
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-11/line/1402526726
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cweiske I saw that
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tantek the error message cited your site
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-11#t1402526758
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tantek and it was minutes before that IRC entry - in case that helps look it up in the logs
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cweiske I would think it was a proxy between you any my server
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cweiske I did not find any 504s in my logs
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tantek then again, if a proxy just timed out with your server taking too long, then you wouldn't see it as an error on your server
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cweiske bret, I wonder why I did not get any webmentions from http://bret.io/2014/06/11/openid-for-indieauth/
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tantek good to know it wasn't an error on your site!
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KartikPrabhu GWG: if there is just a url you'd mark it up as "u-like-of". If you are also citing something from there or have other content from that url you'd have a < div class="p-like-of h-cite"> <a href="url fo the original" class="u-url"></a> other content </div>
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cweiske bret, can you check your logs?
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tantek !tell bret have you implemented reposts with POSSEing native retweets on Twitter?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek GWG p-like and u-like-of are totally different!
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GWG tantek: The example in the wiki is confusing me
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GWG p-like seems to only be for incoming.
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GWG u-like-of is supposed to be for outgoing
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tantek right
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah sorry my bad. I thought you were asking u-like-of vs p-like-of
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GWG Is there a p-like-of?
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tantek yes you could use that
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GWG Does anyone?
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tantek not that I know of - you could check the IndieWeb Examples for /like
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gRegor` I didn't realize "bloggers" was a separate category from creator/apprentice. Is that newer?
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GWG Okay. That being settled, now I have to figure out h-cite.
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gRegor` http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List links to a #Bloggers subheading, but one doesn't exist.
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kylewm GWG, you know that p-like-of and u-like-of represent the same property right?
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kylewm just different ways of parsing it
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tantek exactly
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tantek gRegor`: yes
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gRegor` So I'm thinking my girlfriend could sign up as a blogger, since that description fits.
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GWG kylewm: Yes. I just was trying to see if anyone marked up things as p-like-of
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tantek gRegor`: yes! if she blogs about it and sends a pingback to the Guest_List then it will show up here and we can add her
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GWG I think when I explained my issue, I forgot the of
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gRegor` Currently the blog is a wordpress.com blog. Not sure if they send pingbacks.
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GWG I'm trying to write a set of universal functions I can use to write the various specific types
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GWG So, I'm trying to build a foundation here
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gRegor` She has a domain, though, which links off to the wordpress.com blog and other profiles, so I could get her set up to log in to the wiki pretty easily
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GWG That is hard
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gRegor` Make that blogspot, actually.
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tantek gRegor`: even better then - get her setup with indieauth!
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snarfed gRegor`: she can sign the blog up for bridgy, and it will send webmentions for her posts
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snarfed but agreed, go for indieauth
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tantek exactly, get her up there as a full-fledged creator!
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gRegor` Sweet
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gRegor` I still need to gauge her interest. :) She kinda falls in the "design" aspect of creator. She knows photoshop well and set up the design of her landing page, but otherwise isn't much of a web geek.
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gRegor` I asked originally because it was an excuse to spend more time together, since it's a long-distance relationship. but even better if I can get her hooked on indieweb. ;)
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gRegor` Her lack of a decent laptop might be a problem.
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GWG gRegor`: Should we ask?
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gRegor` Anyway, I'll figure this all out in the coming days. Booked the room tonight, so I'm getting excited for IWC
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gRegor` Ask what, GWG?
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GWG gRegor`: How lacking in decency her laptop is?
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gRegor` Very. I'd go with "very." :) Rather old netbook, dying keyboard.
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gRegor` Adequate for basic surfing, but not for Photoshop
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GWG gRegor`: I brought a Chromebook to Indiewebcamp NYC
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gRegor` Can we borrow it? ;)
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gRegor` jk
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GWG gRegor`: $99.99
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gRegor` Dang
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gRegor` Wait, that was the price new, or your price for us to borrow it? :)
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GWG Up to $119...but they now throw in a new sleeve
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GWG http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314477
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GWG Refurbed
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GWG This may be something to take to #indiechat
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gRegor` Ah. Good to know. I might point her to that.
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gRegor` Probably. I'm actually heading to bed though.
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GWG acegiak: Working on the logic now for display. Three fields, url, title, and quote. If !url, then use title/quote, If !title, use post_title.
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acegiak GWG: having trouble picturing it. I'll have to look when you push
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GWG acegiak: Modularity...
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GWG acegiak: I could push it before it does anything.
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acegiak GWG: I'm not gonna be doing much today anyway so don't rush things
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GWG acegiak: I'm heading to bed in a few. Remember, it is 1AM here
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acegiak push if you like and I'll take a look in a few hours
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GWG Well, let me see how far I get...
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GWG acegiak: Pushed the basic logic piece.
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acegiak GWG: coolios. I'll have a look soon
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acegiak GWG: looks good.
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upon2020.com edited /2014/Guest_List (+332) "added Johannes Ernst" (view diff)
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@Johannes_Ernst Registered for #indiewebcamp two-and-a-half weeks from now. Yeah!! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=282 (twitter.com/_/status/476962317205131264)
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Loqi [mention] http://upon2020.com/banter/2014/06/11/registered-for-indiewebcamp-two-and-a-half-weeks/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List (pingback)
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tantek !tell bret good post! http://bret.io/2014/06/11/openid-for-indieauth/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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andicascadesf Hey guys
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andicascadesf I want to continue to attend blog writing hours
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andicascadesf but my scheduling conflicts have been less predictable lately.
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andicascadesf Can we meet any other times for the blogging hour?
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@codizy_software #PHP IndieAuth-OpenID proxy - Christian Weiske - The IndieWeb movement is much about "code before talk", and on... http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/indieauth-openid.htm (twitter.com/_/status/476976252260458497)
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cweiske bret, regarding "Microformats (rel=me auth) instead of OpenID" - this is not true. during my indieauth server implementation, I did nothing with microformats
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cweiske indieauth.com simply happens to rely on rel=me for service discovery, but the indieauth protocol in the background is agnostic to that
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cweiske also "Webmention (HTTP) instead of Pingback (XMLRPC)" is kinda wrong, because pingback is also http
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cweiske it's just www-form-urlencode vs. xml
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aaronpk from-encoded + https vs xml + crypto
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cweiske pingback does not do any crypto
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cweiske webmention does not require https
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cweiske you can run pingback over https, too
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cweiske it's agnostic to the layer
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cweiske the only difference between webmention and pingback is the serialization of the actual data
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aaronpk i was referencing indieauth vs openid
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cweiske oh
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aaronpk nvm ignore me, I just got back from karaoke and should not be online right now :)
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aaronpk goodnight!
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Loqi buenas noches
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: a more detailed "critique" of the indieweb approach wrt previous approaches speaking to protocol agnostic way of doing things would be quite useful (specially for people who only knows the ins/outs of one approach, like me)
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cweiske does someone know how bret.io sends out linkbacks/webmentions?
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pfefferle cweiske I think he uses the github webhooks
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cweiske calling his custom service that does the pinging?
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cweiske I'm interested in this code because I did not receive any linkbacks
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pfefferle hmmm, didn’t find anything…
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cweiske.de edited /login-brainstorming (+613) "/* The Redirect URI */ redirect uri verification" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /login-brainstorming (+238) "/* Redirect URI verification */" (view diff)
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@brennannovak @briansuda time to reboot to an #IndieWeb ? :D (twitter.com/_/status/477038771993849856)
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@websecquickfix IndieAuth-OpenID proxy: #indieauth #openid #proxy http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/indieauth-openid.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/477063082917634049)
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@natehunzaker RT @viget: Sending Webmentions with Craft (by @jgarber) #dev http://viget.com/extend/sending-webmentions-with-craft?utm_source=Viget+Social&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/477075697522212864)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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bnvk good mornin' tantek
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petermolnar good 15:00 tantek
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petermolnar ( timezones, ugh )
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bnvk lol
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bnvk petermolnar: are you in NL?
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petermolnar UK
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petermolnar ( I am sometimes in the Netherlands though )
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barnabywalters morning tantek, bnvk, petermolnar
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bnvk :)
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barnabywalters petermolnar: work on UGT! it makes IRC much easier ;) http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
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petermolnar OK, I did not know about this, but it makes sense :)
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petermolnar although I was looking for a swatch internet time wrist watch, without success so far
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petermolnar when they came up with it ~15 years ago, no one was ready for it
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luxagraf good morning (ugt)
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tantek petermolnar: I have a couple of those (Swatch BEAT watches) that need new batteries ;)
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petermolnar nice :)
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@iWebzNet Sending Webmentions with Craft http://viget.com/extend/sending-webmentions-with-craft?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Viget+Extend#When:19:37 by @viget via @iWebzNet (twitter.com/_/status/477093115317080064)
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barnabywalters !tell aaronpk http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new now has h-x-app/h-product markup and nascent Taproot logo. looking forward to seeing these used in authorization UI!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+41) "added taproot logo" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes hey barnabywalters, you latest note has broked twitter's t.co service: https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/477105767279906816
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Loqi [@BarnabyWalters] #336699becca banner for @meyerweb and family, and everyone else who’s lost a child.
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jonnybarnes well, the way twitter displays them anway
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: wat
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barnabywalters weird! I haven’t changed anything recently
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jonnybarnes that t.co link presumably resolves to your waterpigs.co.uk url
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barnabywalters must be a change on twitter’s side
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barnabywalters yeah, it resolves correctly
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jonnybarnes its just wierd because Twitter has obviously seen its a URL and then shortened it
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barnabywalters yep, pretty sure it’s Twitter’s problem, whatever it is. hopefully just a transient bug and not a new change to how they auto-link things
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barnabywalters !tell cweiske waterpigs.co.uk’s client_id should be a proper URL now!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/503237795/10152936629412796/724885424 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List (webmention)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /auth-brainstorming (+286) "/* Authorization */ clarified details about client_id, h-product and h-x-app, app identification" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /micropub (+204) "/* Clients */ added info about Taproot h-x-app h-product markup" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /h-product (+512) "stubbed page about h-product" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /h-x-app (+745) "stubbed page with description, links, example" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /h-x-app (-2) (view diff)
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barnabywalters what is h-x-app?
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barnabywalters Loqi?
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Loqi who, me?
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barnabywalters yup
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GWG Another day, another plan
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aaronparecki.com edited /h-x-app (+46) "formatting" (view diff)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: y u no like curly quotes? :)
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GWG pfefferle, you available?
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pfefferle GWG yes
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GWG Am I correct for the webmentions plugin that if the URL a post mentions is not in the_content, I'd have to fire the function to send it separately?
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pfefferle yes
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barnabywalters this is quite a nice post about the “storing data in the network” approach most indieauth implementations are taking: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2013/11/17/my-favorite-database/
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aaronpk nice! yeah self-encoded tokens are awesome
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Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 1 hour, 11 minutes ago: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new now has h-x-app/h-product markup and nascent Taproot logo. looking forward to seeing these used in authorization UI!
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barnabywalters the approach he talks about isn’t *exactly* what we’re doing, but much the same idea
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GWG pfefferle, still working on something similar to your reply context plugin and wanted to make sure that I added this step
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aaronpk it pretty much is
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aaronpk just not exactly the same format as the JWT spec
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Jeena hm somehow I am not getting any webmentions from brid.gy anymore
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Jeena oh a exception MissingSchema: Invalid URL u'/webmentions': No schema supplied. Perhaps you meant http:///webmentions?
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Jeena so this is not ok? Link: </webmentions>
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Jeena rel="webmention"
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kylewm Jeena, interesting. i will look and see if Bridgy handles relative links in the http header
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Jeena I posted a issue https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/191
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kylewm I'll follow up there
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Jeena I am a edge case! :D
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tantek Jeena - relative URLs in HTTP headers is a new thing
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Jeena a new thing like never been done before or we just started doing it?
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barnabywalters IIRC it’s one of the new things in the update to HTTP 1.1
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tantek just started being supported by some servers
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Jeena I had it always with the domain but just a week ago or something I found out that my own code doesn't work for some other website which only had /webmentions so I changed it to be able to test it. Then I forgot to change it back.
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Jeena I see
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barnabywalters PSA: FSCONS put out a call for proposals, apparently they can also sponsor some travel costs: https://fscons.org/2014/cfp/
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GWG Is there such a thing as a like-context?
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Jeena I always thought the Link header is just the same as <link> in the HTML, but perhaps it is not.
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kylewm GWG: I'd say that acegiak posts like-contexts, but they are usually/always "like and reposted"
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JonathanNeal Have we opened Pandora’s Box? Is individual privacy going to be a thing of the past?
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JonathanNeal If you want to be part of technology, must you buy into big data? http://business.financialpost.com/2014/02/01/its-creepy-location-based-marketing-is-following-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not/
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GWG kylewm: I just don't want to have to set up significantly different displays for like vs reply and such
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barnabywalters GWG: if they’re not displayed differently, how are they different?
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bret !tell cweiske my webmention support is pretty poor right now, XD I have to deal with it manually
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GWG barnabywalters: They aren't. That was more the point.
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 33 minutes ago: have you implemented reposts with POSSEing native retweets on Twitter?
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 19 minutes ago: good post! http://bret.io/2014/06/11/openid-for-indieauth/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters GWG: but likes, replies and reposts are very different
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barnabywalters both in intent, creation UI and typical display
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barnabywalters as well as who they’re broadcast to
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bret thanks tantek :) No I do all my tweet posseing manually.... but I layed the groundwork for all sorts of neato automation this past weekend
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tantek bret - oh neat!
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GWG barnabywalters: The code I'm writing inserts the URL being responded to(hence referred to as the response URL) display above the content. A like would effectively not have anything in the content box, it would only have the display of the external URL marked up appropriately
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GWG barnabywalters: That would be consistent, from what I understand.
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bret tantek: i PESO instagram automatically
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tantek bret, do you publish reposts on your own domain at all? or just do native retweets?
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bret tantek: kinda been mixing a process of both
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bret somtimes I tweet things that I dont nessisary need to keep on my own site
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bret i just wanna say it and see it disapear mostly
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bret ohh i see what you are asking, my retweets on twitter?
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GWG barnabywalters: I'm trying to get the logic working correctly. So far, we've added in the fields for a response url, title, and citation. And I'm working on the display logic...as all three of those fields are optional
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bret i have some loosy goosy PESETAS to back up my twitter activity to pinboard
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bret so at least Im taking data
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bret tantek: definately recomend adding ownyourgram support, so much fun :)
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tantek bret, next on my itch list is implementing reposts with POSSE retweets
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tantek so I can own my reposts :)
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tantek (which sounds odd but hey)
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tantek (I guess own my activity of reposting as part of my stream)
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GWG tantek: How can you own someone else's content?
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tantek GWG - you can't. You can just own the *action* of reposting.
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tantek or "activity" as some say
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GWG tantek: This brings me to mind to what I was plotting the other day
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luxagraf barnabywalters: is the code that handles your in-reply-to notes public?
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GWG tantek: I wanted to optionally embed tweets using Twitter's embed code where the reply was to a a Tweet. Someone pointed out that wouldn't be owning them.
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barnabywalters luxagraf: no, which part in particular? the part which stores the notes? the UI? the part which fetches reply contexts? or sends webmentions?
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luxagraf barnabywalters: the part that fetches reply contexts
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tantek Twitter's embed code still includdes an inline <blockquote> of the content
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Jeena is it possible to let bridgy try to send older likes and comments from facebook? I missed that this was not working and now quite a lot of them have not been pushed, or will it retry automagically after some time even for one week old ones?
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tantek which is what is displayed if the author deletes the tweet later
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luxagraf barnabywalters: i worked something up that handles twitter, but wanted to see what it might take to abstract it more
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barnabywalters luxagraf: the code I’m using is a less polished version of https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments
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GWG tantek: What if Twitter went out of business?
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bret !tell cweiske irony asside, i hope the post didnt come across as agressive, im happy to see openid interoperating with indieauth :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek GWG then you'd see the inline <blockquote> content
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barnabywalters which additionally runs HTMLPurifier over the results
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snarfed Jeena: not right now, sorry. it retries for three days, but not longer
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Jeena ok
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snarfed i think there's a feature request in github. looking
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snarfed Jeena: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/183 . feel free to vote or send a PR!
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GWG tantek: So, as long as I cache the embed code? Because I was using the built-in Wordpress embed handler. I think they've been debating cache duration
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tantek I have no idea what the built-in Wordpress embed handler does
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barnabywalters luxagraf: the reason aaronpk and I made https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2-shim is so that all you have to do is support microformats, and you get twitter support for free
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luxagraf barnabywalters: okay, that comment code helps, thanks.
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tantek I am only talking about what you copy and paste from the "Embed Tweet" box on Twitter
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barnabywalters which reminds me, I need to make sure php-mf2-shim works with the new timeline layout
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bret !tell cweiske the rel=me microformat is the key ingredient for setting up indieauth. I think maybe I misunderstood exactly what you did, but its interesting to see how indieauth can route around the rel me auth all toegether
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek GWG who knows what randomness the WP plugin does. You'd have to ask it.
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GWG tantek: I wasn't really asking that though. It uses oembed, so it would be the same code.
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Jeena ok thanks snarfed
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tantek GWG - nope, not same code
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tantek oembed is vulnerable to exactly the problem of Twitter shutting down
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tantek note that Twitter's own copy/paste "Tweet Embed" code DOES NOT use Oembed
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GWG tantek: Oh, good to know. I was passing it off because it will get me to feature complete faster.
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tantek s/Oembed/Oembed
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Loqi tantek meant to say: note that Twitter's own copy/paste "Tweet Embed" code DOES NOT use Oembed
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tantek lol
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snarfed GWG: as a data point here are example of how i render like contexts: https://snarfed.org/2014-06-05_twitter-therealfitz-this-analysis-of-restaurants , https://snarfed.org/2014-05-28_alexis-shoemate-for-you-and-gina
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snarfed (same as reply/repost contexts)
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snarfed er, sorry, those are both actually replies, but i do the same thing for likes
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GWG snarfed: SO, you are embedding
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tantek snarfed, care to start /like-context with "IndieWeb Examples" and those examples?
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snarfed yup
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snarfed tantek: i'll add them to /reply-context since they're exactly the same
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GWG snarfed: I feel better. You use Wordpress, so I'd imagine you know about their Embed features. I wanted to use that
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luxagraf barnabywalters: hmm, wonder if any of the python people have ported php-mf2-shim
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tantek snarfed - I'm not sure they're the same
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tantek given that GWG was asking about them separately
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snarfed tantek: yeah, i wasn't clear enough. there may be a difference, but i can't see it yet, and i don't differentiate at all on my own site
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snarfed ok, proper like context example (same as reply): https://snarfed.org/2014-06-06_twitter-scottjames-attention-writers-exciting
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GWG tantek: The difference is minimal in my opinion
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tantek snarfed - I'm going to assert that there *IS* a difference simply by how popular silos present each
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tantek GWG - strongly disagree
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tantek if you look at FB for example
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bret tantek, is the plan to backfeed retweets to your own site? if so it sounds like a job for a micropub client
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tantek reply, repost, like all have VERY different presentation
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tantek bret no. the plan is to use my site (UI) to "retweet" which will post a repost on my site first (with a permalink I own), and then auto-POSSE a native retweet on Twitter if applicable.
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aaronpk bret: good idea!
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GWG tantek: Agree with you on that. But, the data that is pulled in is pretty much the same. The differences in presentation vary
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tantek I want to keep *reducing* dependence on any part of Twitter's UI
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tantek GWG, the differences in presentation are what matter.
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tantek Design first.
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barnabywalters looks like I need to dig out the research I did into these UX flows for these microinteractions, and how the differences are what define them
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barnabywalters as this conversation keeps on popping up
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tantek barnabywalters: keep documenting such research directly on the wiki
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tantek as otherwise it keeps getting not-found
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GWG tantek: I'm focusing on iteration right now. Using their code will allow me to get the feature up and running. I can replace it with mine in future.
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tantek "their code"?!?
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bret tantek: do you plan on adding a shortlink to your own copy in twitter?
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GWG tantek: The Twitter embed and such.
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GWG tantek: To include in my reply-context code.
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GWG tantek: But I intend to use a variant of the same code for likes.
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GWG tantek: So the code will determine what I'm responding to, and how I'm responding to it, and call the right display function
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GWG Which is why I keep dismantling acegiak's pull requests into smaller pieces. He's too specific and I'm trying to be general.
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bret aaronpk: for indie reposts, where I want to point to someones url and retweet it, would adding something like that to quill be appropriate or a separete client all together?
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aaronpk yeah that'd be a good addition to Quill
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aaronpk probably a new page on it, like quill.p3k.io/repost instead of quill.p3k.io/new
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aaronpk I would make a bookmarklet that could jump right to the repost page with a URL in the query string, kind of how I currently do replies right now
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bret aaronpk what about webactions?
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aaronpk same idea
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bret oh ^.^
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tantek bret - no shortlink in copy of repost on twitter, because the copy on Twitter is best expressed as a native Twitter retweet per: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Reposts_of_Tweets
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tantek GWG the Twitter embed code is good (resistant to site death). Oembed is bad (lossy).
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bret i like kylewm's native repost format on his site
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bret before embedding crap on your site, remember people who have tiny old computers. embedded content kills performance
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 18 karma
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bret on or two elements are usually fine, but in a feed view it can be killer
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bret i know because i violate this rule >:[
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tantek bret agreed. also excess JS :(
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aaronpk kylewm: nice syndication icons! i'm gonna have to steal those
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bret actually using a js loader system can be helpful here
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bret shild me from excess JS with a little bit of js
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aaronpk also I am signed in to your site, I don't remember how or why
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barnabywalters bret: you might like http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4WZHhH/ then
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aaronpk I only do inline embedding of content on permalink pages so that there is only one at a time
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barnabywalters inline embedding is something I’m finding is causing performance problems with feedreaders
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GWG tantek: Any way to automatically get the embed code with the tweet URL?
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barnabywalters because there’s the potential to have a *lot* of embedded content on the screen at once
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bret barnabywalters what does this do?
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GWG bret: I would only embed on single pages
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barnabywalters so say you want all textareas with class=“codemirror” to have codemirror applied to them, but not to load codemirror at all on pages without said textareas
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tantek GWG - probably worth documenting in an "Embed Code" section here http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter
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barnabywalters you call enhanceEach(‘textarea.codemirror’, [‘path/to/codemirror’ (requirejs dependency list)], callback)
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bret bret.io/page3/ dont laugh
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barnabywalters and if there are any elements matching the selector, the libraries are loaded, and callback(element, *dependencies) is called for each element
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barnabywalters it’s a pattern I use everywhere in Taproot and Shrewdness, and got tired of writing it out explicitly :)
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bret barnabywalters!!! thats sooo cool!
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bret i mean barnabywalters++
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barnabywalters bret: thanks :)
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barnabywalters there’s no reason why it couldn’t be made requirejs-agnostic, by just passing the paths to scripts
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bret barnabywalters thoughts on browserify>
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bret ?
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barnabywalters but I like writing my front-end code as a function of it’s dependencies
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barnabywalters bret: I actually do not know what browserify is. the thing for making nodejs server-side code usable on the frontend?
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bret it replicates `var module = require('module')` in the browser
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bret like node!
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barnabywalters bret: glancing over the docs, it looks like it bundles up all your dependencies into one file and always loads that
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bret not totally sure
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barnabywalters which is great for some sites, but the exact opposite of my goal of only loading the JS which is necessary
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bret right
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barnabywalters because my site is weird, and has some pages which require *huge* amounts of js (e.g. abcJS, codemirror) which aren’t used anywhere else
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bear browserify bundles the nodejs node_modules directory so you can use it as a "normal" web page
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bear and not all nodejs modules can be put into browserify sadly
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bret bear does it allow for selective loading?
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bear nope
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bear it's a single large tarball
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bret :/
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bear err (not really a tarball, but you get the idea)
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bret jah
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bear IMO it's a crutch
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bret hey man, you use to be a noob at one point ;)
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bear :)
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bear with nodejs I still am - I just have supported or deployed gobs of nodejs code now and have gotten to learn to love/hate the thing
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GWG tantek: The list of Wiki pages I'd like to add to continues to grow.
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GWG I have a bookmark folder
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bret you love/hate node too!?
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tantek GWG, you have to simply edit and add as you go
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tantek you will never get back to it
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bear yes, i'm a server kinda coder - nodejs just feels wrong to me
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tantek just edit and add a one-liner at least - same as you typed in IRC
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barnabywalters requirejs actually allows you to use var name = require(‘path’) syntax, by scarily parsing it out of function.toString and re-writing the function :O
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bret {{ stub }} is your firend
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tantek bret, that's only for whole new pages
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tantek GWG said "pages I'd like to add to"
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bret oic
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aaronpk "you will never get back to it" so true
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tantek certainly don't bother bookmarking it
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tantek if anything just open a new tab
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aaronpk at least leave it in an open tab :P
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tantek jinx :D
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GWG tantek: I do that too
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tantek has WAY too many open tabs. ;)
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GWG tantek: I was just about to say that
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barnabywalters tantek: there’s a hashtag for that! http://waterpigs.co.uk/tags/tabdump
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aaronpk ha great idea
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bret barnabywalters, any issues with blockquotes in a reply to your site?
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barnabywalters bret: er, maybe? context?
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bret http://bret.io/2014/06/12/selective-loading/
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luxagraf of the 72 tabs i have open, 6 are indiewebcamp pages i plan to contrib to
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barnabywalters bret: there shouldn’t be, I’ll check my logs
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barnabywalters bret: I used the semi-broken http://indiewebify.me/send-webmentions/ form to send webmentions for your reply page and it showed up just fine http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4WZHhH/
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bret so cool
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bret my webmention script fell over
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barnabywalters fans of minimal javascript code for progressive enhancement may also enjoy http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/a-minimal-javascript-http-abstraction/ </shameless-promotion>
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snarfed bret: can it get back up?
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bret actually aaronpk wrote it
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bret http://bret.io/pages/outbox/
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snarfed guys, practice safe computing! strive for browser tab zero. it's not just for inboxes any more.
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luxagraf one down.
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luxagraf not really actually. have more for that page, but still compiling research
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aaronpk bret: it looks like cweiske's webmention endpoint is actually a pingback endpoint
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bret aaronpk it seemed to work
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bret <h1>Webmention: All fine</h1>
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bret <p>Pingback received and processed</p>
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aaronpk huh ok
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aaronpk it's just called xmltpc
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aaronpk rpc
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bret snarfed are you referencing xss attacks?
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snarfed bret: no, more like healthy sane living :P
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bret isnt there a bookmark all tabs hotkey?
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bret aaronpk, did cweiske basically route around rel=me auth? he noted something about not having to touch microformats
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bret which would mean no rel=me requirements
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aaronpk bret: the OAuth part of indieauth doesn't require a rel=me link cause the site turns into its own OAuth provider
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bret ah interesting
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Loqi cweiske: barnabywalters left you a message 2 hours, 54 minutes ago: waterpigs.co.uk’s client_id should be a proper URL now!
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Loqi cweiske: bret left you a message 1 hour, 22 minutes ago: my webmention support is pretty poor right now, XD I have to deal with it manually
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Loqi cweiske: bret left you a message 1 hour, 7 minutes ago: irony asside, i hope the post didnt come across as agressive, im happy to see openid interoperating with indieauth :)
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Loqi cweiske: bret left you a message 1 hour, 6 minutes ago: the rel=me microformat is the key ingredient for setting up indieauth. I think maybe I misunderstood exactly what you did, but its interesting to see how indieauth can route around the rel me auth all toegether
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cweiske !tell barnabywalters: I could login fine
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk cweiske: does your xmlrpc endpoint also speak webmention?
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cweiske aaronpk, yes
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cweiske it does both
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cweiske it prefers webmention
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cweiske when sending out
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cweiske falling back to pingback
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aaronpk ah crazy. confused me when I saw rel=webmention href=...xmlrpc :)
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cweiske one endpoint for all
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aaronpk http://meme.loqi.me/4WZwnNYR.jpg
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Loqi who, me?
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas
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aaronpk oh yeah! love the webmention status on link hover!
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@t @JosephRooks Etherpad site+content was destroyed by Google http://tantek.com/2010/137/t2/shut-down-removed-content-etherpad-ownyourdata opensourced, Mozilla set up another. (ttk.me t4WZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/477155753095352320)
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ben_thatmustbeme continuing on tantek's work with people focused URLs.... looking for open comment on this http://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/contacts/
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bear of interest for the python coders in the indieweb realm… https://github.com/kennethreitz/hypermark
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ben_thatmustbeme I mainly made it for android, i'll be testing on more devices later
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GWG It is very nice
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: But I have some feedbck
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Which work in people focused URLs are you referring to?
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ben_thatmustbeme http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication
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ben_thatmustbeme he did two posts, one on the urls and one with a mock-up
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: You are doing the hangouts icon on SMS
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ben_thatmustbeme I should probably do some media tag to reformat for anything larger than mobile screens
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, its based for android, the newest versions from google have only hangouts for SMS
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GWG I know
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ben_thatmustbeme you could install others, but it is the default if you get a nexus phone
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have a N5. But, also I think we need a better indieweb icon
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ben_thatmustbeme so hangouts makes the most sense. yes, i just did that quickly
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally i'd have one custom for my site
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aaronpk the indiewebcamp logo should link to your profile page on indiewebcamp.com
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ben_thatmustbeme good point, perhaps have one for my site and one for iwc.com
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GWG I still think that a better icon is needed
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GWG It looks out of alignment
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aaronpk why do you need one for your site? clearly they are on your site if they're seeing this page :)
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aaronpk and yes no squishy icon
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ben_thatmustbeme so, my idea is to have a set of pages like this that i access privately. its my own contacts list that i access
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ben_thatmustbeme others that authenticate would have access to this page, so i control my own entry for them, and they control their own entry for me
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme etc: shameless plug in case you haven't seen it: https://snarfed.org/2014-03-10_lets-talk-userscript
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cweiske aaronpk, you said "bret: the OAuth part of indieauth doesn't require a rel=me link cause the site turns into its own OAuth provider"
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GWG snarfed: Intriguing
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cweiske oauth is tokens, right?
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cweiske but I don't need rel=me links for the auth part already
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed, interesting indeed
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cweiske authentication, that is
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cweiske aaronpk, shouldn't "authorization endpoint" on http://indiewebcamp.com/login-brainstorming be renamed to "authentication endpoint"?
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aaronpk cweiske: technically it's using it for authentication there, but I don't think it really makes sense to have to specify two endpoints, one for authentication and one for authorization
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aaronpk you need *some* rel=me link unless you specify a rel=authorization_endpoint
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cweiske yep. indieauth (the protocol) does not care for rel=me
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cweiske only indieauth.com cares
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aaronpk and relmeauth cares :)
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aaronpk the relmeauth protocol cares
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cweiske sure, but http://indiewebcamp.com/login-brainstorming does not describe relmeauth
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aaronpk correct
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cweiske indieauth.com implements both indieauth and relmeauth
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aaronpk right
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cweiske confusing this is for some
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aaronpk definitely
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cweiske so indieauth does not need rel=me :)
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk if i was better at naming things this may not be so confusing
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aaronpk cause indieauth.com would have been called something else
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GWG aaronpk: How about superduperauth?
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snarfed ALLTHETHINGSauth
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GWG snarfed: How did you get your nickname, by the way?
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snarfed sadly there's no story. came from picking a domain with friends in college, ~12y ago
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@gRegorLove @valuedstandards Feel free to come by on IRC if you have questions: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (twitter.com/_/status/477184954426617857)
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GWG snarfed: That's how I got some of mine
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@valuedstandards @vasilis E.g. I love the idea of webmentions, indyauth etc. but still, complex ;) (twitter.com/_/status/477185123365179392)
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GWG Can't say I disagree with @valuedstandards whoever they aare
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gRegor` Yeah, the wiki is overwhelming at first.
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GWG At first?
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GWG I'm still overwhelmed
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aaronpk you don't have to read the entire thing :)
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gRegor` hehe
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gRegor` I think once it's made clear that it's fine (and even better) to take it in small steps... it works a lot better.
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gRegor` Rather than reading all through /webmention, then getting on a tangent of marking up your content with mf2 to work with webmentions, then oh yeah, displaying reply-contexts . . . and so on
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gRegor` Instead, just start with marking up your current blog with mf2. Relatively simple step.
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GWG gRegor`: More Indieweb for Dummies Articles
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@vasilis @valuedstandards I used indyauth to log into the indiewebcamp wiki. Haven’t been able to figure out how webmentions work though (twitter.com/_/status/477186125388603392)
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snarfed indiewebify.me is often a better place for newbies to start than the wiki
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gRegor` :) Yeah, it's on my list.
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gRegor` Good point, snarfed
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snarfed wiki front page is a decent sales pitch, then indiewebify.me to get started, then wiki again for deeper contributions
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gRegor` unfortunately indiewebify.me isn't linked on the homepage until the bottom third.
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gRegor` I bet the majority of first timers won't even get that far, distracted down other wiki pages.
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aaronpk you realize it's a wiki, right? that means you can fix it ;)
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gRegor` Same for http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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gRegor` Oh, I'd forgotten. ;)
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gRegor` I'm pretty cautious about making big changes to the front page and other "big" ones
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GWG Ditto
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gRegor` But yeah, it's on my list to help improve these. At some point. So many things. ;)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/477184954426617857/477185409055981570 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (webmention)
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aaronpk that's fair. you can always copy the home page to a page under your user page like User:gregorlove.com/Home and make changes there
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cweiske aaronpk, is there a defined relation between client_id and redirect_uri? or can they be on different domains, different protocols etc?
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aaronpk I just realized why they must be able to be on different domains / protocols
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gRegor` (Just doing that now for Getting Started, aaronpk :) )
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aaronpk the client_id must register its list of valid redirect_uris, but the valid redirect URIs can be any scheme/host/etc
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aaronpk for mobile apps, an app like https://quill.p3k.io/ may register a redirect URI of quill://auth so that the mobile app launches after the user signs in
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cweiske ah
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cweiske is indieauth.com the official indieauth protocol fallback for homepages that have not authorization_endpoint?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk fallback is relmeauth
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aaronpk it's up to the consuming site to decide how to do the relmeauth
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aaronpk one way is to use indieauth.com, but that's up to the consuming site
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cweiske so you want to tie indieauth protocol to relmeauth?
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aaronpk well the alternative is if no authorization_endpoint is found, then you're out of luck
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@valuedstandards This is a pretty good intro to the #indyweb https://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog (twitter.com/_/status/477189530123255808)
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cweiske this increases complexity on the client side
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cweiske 1. check for authorization_endpoint
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cweiske 2. check for rel=me
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aaronpk it's true. that's why I made indieauth.com in the first place
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cweiske 3. decide what to do with rel=me
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cweiske 2. could be "let indieauth.com try"
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aaronpk if you look at ownyourgram.com or quill.p3k.io, they won't let you sign in until you've specified an authorization_endpoint
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cweiske without checking at all
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aaronpk I think as a guide for client implementations, that could point to indieauth.com as a helpful tip
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aaronpk but I wouldn't want that to be in the indieauth spec itself
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aaronpk sorry, that was a horrible sentence.
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aaronpk I think an implementation guide could recommend using indieauth.com
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GWG aaronpk: For?
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GWG aaronpk: I'm curious what the full extent of your vision is
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cweiske as fallback for the case the user's homepage did not link a authorization_endpoint
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aaronpk GWG: I definitely have a plan. But rather than making a bunch of flashy talks about it or writing up a "manifesto" I'm trying to demonstrate it piece by piece by documenting it and building out implementations
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GWG aaronpk: I was more curious if you see it becoming widely adopted?
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gRegor` @valuedstandards replied that he might have to come by IRC soon
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GWG tantek: The oembed includes the blockquote on Twitter
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gRegor` The beginnings of my ideas for /Getting_Started http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/Getting_Started
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gRegor` I chose to make each subheading an action. e.g. "Get a personal domain" instead of "Personal domain"
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gRegor` I broke out web sign in and authorship information into two steps.
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gRegor` Linked the indiewebify.me rel-me test earlier in the page too
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rascul looks like good start
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GWG gRegor`: Have a deep dish, on me
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gRegor` Don't really care for "Each of these steps is a just a bit more challenging and will make you a bit more indie." but I'm not sure a replacement.
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GWG I don't care for it either
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gRegor` How about "a bit more independent"?
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GWG How about... bring you closer to your goal of ultimate independence?
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GWG How about... bring you closer to full liberation from the corporate internet?
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gRegor` Haha
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GWG Giddy with creationism?
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rascul aaronpk is there no rss for news.indiewebcamp.com?
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@juicedragon Build your #business to last. #OwnYourData!!! Read my tips here: http://gastowngazette.com/build-to-last-own-your-data/#.U5ol-YxrbzR #startup #bcbiz #smallbiz #organizationalbehavior (twitter.com/_/status/477212707263741952)
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bret rascul: no rss no
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rascul :(
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bret yeah :(
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bret rascul: but we can make one i think
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rascul :)
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bret ya i thinnk so
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bret http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/?url=http://news.indiewebcamp.com/newest
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bret how does that look rascul
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bret rascul: it seems to mostly work...
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@hertling Halfway through a migration from blogger to wordpress to go #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/477214715093843968)
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rascul bret looks fine to me
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rascul well almost, there's some funny unicode thing going on by the looks of it
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bret yay atom!
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@ArthurSmid RT @hertling: Halfway through a migration from blogger to wordpress to go #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/477217785097895937)
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aaronpk bret: ew there's some encoding errors on indienews
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aaronpk oh wait that may have been the fault of aaronparecki.com
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bret lol!
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bret >:D
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kylewm snarfed, the good news is that I finished the first cut at refetch and reparse h-feed behavior, the bad news is it's almost half as many lines as the original posse-post-discovery PR itself :P
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snarfed kylewm: wow! just the actual code? or including the tests?
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kylewm including tests
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snarfed ah, that's not so bad then
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snarfed tests tend to duplicate
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snarfed might be worth seeing if there's some of that, and maybe see if it can be unified a bit
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snarfed not high priority though
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snarfed kylewm: more importantly, thanks! glad it's out! i'll look at it tonight
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kylewm snarfed, thank you!
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bret kylewm: how do you store your website data?
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kylewm bret, this? http://indiewebcamp.com/Red_Wind#Filestore
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bret oh neato
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snarfed git-scm needs starring
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Loqi [@rtaibah] #Path gives up on memories
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Loqi moves into ephemeral messaging. Companies pivot, goals change & ppl keep investing in these services #indieweb (http://twtr.io/nMMFNmJoEw)