#indiewebcamp 2014-06-29

2014-06-29 UTC
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aaronpk
let's take notes on readers here! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indie-reader
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rascul
i feel like indieweb should have it's own etherpad instead of mozilla's
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aaronpk
we're getting there for sure :)
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aaronpk
i've installed it before actually
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@ungoldman
Great discussions and project ideas at #indiewebcamp today! Looking forward to making things tomorrow 🔜🚀
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/Schedule (+26) "/* IndieWebCamp Group Dinner */ Laughing Planet in the Pearl!"
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JonathanNeal
Should fragmentions only apply to headings and paragraphs?
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JonathanNeal
and list items? Or everything? Everything gets complicated.
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rascul
text can be outside of paragraphs and headings
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JonathanNeal
<p>match <span>match</span></p> I think this scenario fails in the current version. I’m trying to resolve it.
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JonathanNeal
Thanks rascul, your feedback is clear and concise.
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rascul
example, items in a list might not be in a paragraphg
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bethaknee.com
edited /2014/Guest_List (+265) "/* West */ RSVPing! (slightly late :P)"
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JonathanNeal
In the above example, <p> and <span> should both be returned, each for different matches.
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JonathanNeal
I think I’ll have to count the number of matches in an element, and then subtract from that number for each descendent that also returns a match.
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bret
big meeting :)
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JonathanNeal
bret: big meeting of / for?
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bret
indie readers
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aaronpk
we muted you guys on the video, so wave or IRC if you want to jump in
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bret
talking about building an indie reader
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bnvk1
what state is the MF plugin for Selfoss?
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aaronpk
bnvk1: it's just okay right now, not great
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bnvk1
is that what you're talking about re-factoring or are you starting from scratch?
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aaronpk
we'd be starting from scratch
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bnvk1
awe ok. any particular reason instead of just hard forking Selfoss?
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aaronpk
probably worth looking at hard-forking it
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aaronpk
the "spout" idea/classes they have might be useful if nothing else
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bnvk1
+1 to those ideas :)
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bnvk1
I've been having some decent success using Jinja (python) + Mustache / Underscore's _.template()
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aaronpk
pdx is heading to dinner!
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@schnarfed
Wish I was at @indiewebcamp this weekend! You guys are doing awesome, important work. Can’t wait to see this year's crazy new ideas!
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@jgarber
Bummed to be missing #IndieWebCamp but looking forward to reading about what everyone's working on.
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bnvk1
good night y'all- exciting stuff over there :P
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Loqi
laila tov!
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GWG
came home.
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GWG
aaronpk: You taught Loqi that?
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Loqi
who, me?
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@jgarber
If any #IndieWebCamp participants are using @craftcms, you may enjoy this webmention plugin: http://sixtwothree.org/blog/sending-webmentions-with-craft/
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@benwerd
Sneak preview. What can we get done in a day? #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/483054971147935745/photo/1
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@marihuertas
Catching up reading tweets about #indiewebcamp in PDX. :)
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG
Long day.
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GWG
Wish I had heard some of the Portland stuff though.
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@znmeb
RT @benwerd: Sneak preview. What can we get done in a day? #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/483054971147935745/photo/1
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@benwerd
@znmeb No - but it could be a fun indieweb tool.
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@anomalily
Just finished up my shift at @pedalpalooza Bike Fair - anything still going down tonight for #indieweb? cc @caseorganic @aaronpk @ungoldman
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@anomalily
@caseorganic @aaronpk @ungoldman Thought it was possible there was a secret spontaneous #indieweb overlords karaoke party tonight.
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@ungoldman
@anomalily was talking with @bretolius & others about needing to make more accessible #indieweb publishing tools for artists & zinesters
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@jlsuttles
I coined selfkoolaid today at #indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/selfkoolaid
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@jlsuttles
I left my phone on the table and came back to a @veganstraightedge and @notenoughneon photo shoot 💁 #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/jlsuttles/status/483083549466046464/photo/1
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@veganstraightedge
RT @jlsuttles: I left my phone on the table and came back to a @veganstraightedge and @notenoughneon photo shoot 💁 #indiewebcamp http://t.c…
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aaronparecki.com
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JonathanNeal
I think fragmention has to be almost completely rewritten, ugh.
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@bretolius
RT @ungoldman: @anomalily was talking with @bretolius & others about needing to make more accessible #indieweb publishing tools for artists…
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@dariusdunlap
Wishing I was at #indiewebcamp this weekend, but sipping a beer while cooking a nice dinner for my wife is pretty swell, too.
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@KristelMiskin
RT @dariusdunlap: Wishing I was at #indiewebcamp this weekend, but sipping a beer while cooking a nice dinner for my wife is pretty swell, …
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@znmeb
@sarahjeong Well ... there's #indiewebcamp
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@stkntp
RT @benwerd: Facebook tinkered with users’ feeds for a massive psychology experiment http://www.avclub.com/article/facebook-tinkered-users-feeds-massive-psychology-e-206324 #indieweb
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bret
!tell aaronpk reminder to pack that usb ethernet adapter
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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@billywwells
New Billy Wells Horror Book Trailer! https://www.youtube.com/ #horror #kindle #zombies #ebooks #scarystoriestime #amazon #indieweb
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /2014 (+83) "schedule"
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tantek.com
edited /2014 (+15) "/* Schedule */ 2014"
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
Good IWC first experience! :)
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KartikPrabhu
JonathanNeal: why reweite fragmention?
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@kevinmarks
@cdixon your continual conflation of "the web" with silos is the unacknowledged problem #indieweb
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@ayirpelle
RT @kevinmarks: @cdixon your continual conflation of "the web" with silos is the unacknowledged problem #indieweb
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@kartik_prabhu
@marihuertas Sounds great! Usual plan is posted on http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club don’t know how a cafe it’ll work for 3 people talk.
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tantek.com
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JonathanNeal
KartikPrabhu: I don’t think it grabs the right elements. I think we’ve been lucking out.
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KartikPrabhu
oh wow! what is the problem?
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JonathanNeal
Well, the good news is, 99% of the time we luck out.
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KartikPrabhu
ah ok.some strange edge cases then
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KartikPrabhu
I'm at the IWC in NYC and plan to hash out the margin-comments thing tomorrow, but I'll watch th fragmentions repo for updates
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JonathanNeal
That’s awesome!
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KartikPrabhu
alrighty! out for the night
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@kevinmarks
@nrrrdcore on the #indieweb, and twitter too
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aaronpk
amazing day 1 everyone!!
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Loqi
aaronpk: bret left you a message 1 hour, 13 minutes ago: reminder to pack that usb ethernet adapter
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aaronpk
oh thanks bret
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aaronpk
bret: I can't find it!!!
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JonathanNeal
KartikPrabhu: the part that breaks is the ability to target second, third, fourth, entries, etc. That’s why we haven’t noticed it.
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aaronpk
tantek: remind me again why it's necessary for twitter.com/aaronpk to link back to aaronparecki.com? if I am attempting to identify as aaronparecki.com and aaronparecki.com links to twitter.com/aaronpk and I can prove that I am twitter.com/aaronpk then isn't that enough?
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@_jden
@ungoldman also, from our discussion of assets at #indiewebcamp, could totally link to magnet URNs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_URI_scheme
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@aaronpk
IndieWebCamp day 1 was awesome, thanks everyone! Looking forward to making things tomorrow for day 2! (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/29/1/)
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@kevinmarks
RT @aaronpk: IndieWebCamp day 1 was awesome, thanks everyone! Looking forward to making things tomorrow for day 2! (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/29/1/)
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@frankpmusic
http://frankp.bandcamp.com/album/art #ART #MIXTAPE #RT #favoriteforfavorite #Audiogasm #HOTNEWHIPHOP #newmusic #recordlabels #indiewebcamp #indieart
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@tvgmusic
RT @frankpmusic: http://frankp.bandcamp.com/album/art #ART #MIXTAPE #RT #favoriteforfavorite #Audiogasm #HOTNEWHIPHOP #newmusic #recordlabels #indieweb…
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@glennjones
Enjoyed remotely following the #indiewebcamp yesterday, looking forward to seeing what comes out of todays design & coding workgroups
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@pfefferle
RT @glennjones: Enjoyed remotely following the #indiewebcamp yesterday, looking forward to seeing what comes out of todays design & coding …
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@jarofgreen
@benwerd Think anyone at #indiewebcamp wld be interested in an open group calendar? http://ican.openacalendar.org/ :-P Wld be good to chat sometime
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@jancborchardt
Good first day of #IndieWebCamp Berlin yesterday! See you today as well, 2PM at @agoracollective https://twitter.com/jancborchardt/status/483186406303756288/photo/1
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pfefferle
Good Morning
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Rev_Illo
Good morning
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Rev_Illo
Unfortunately I can't be around @ Agora but will follow from here and etherpad
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: Quill won't post to my site
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jonnybarnes
I click post and I just get sent back to the new post page
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jonnybarnes
Looking at the output of the "Live HTTP Headers" add-on my browser never makes a POST request which is weird
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: Quill works on my iPhone, but not on my MacBook, looking through my server access.log, a POST to /api/post is never made when I try and post from my laptop, it is made when I post from my mobile
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jonnybarnes
something is messing with the javascript on my laptop, I'm guessing its NoScript
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@brennannovak
Bothered Facebook + US military conducted psychological exp. on 689,003 without consent? Help build the #IndieWeb http://bnvk.me/j8x
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: but it defo does post to my site: https://jonnybarnes.net/notes/1a
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RT @brennannovak: Bothered Facebook + US military conducted psychological exp. on 689,003 without consent? Help build the #IndieWeb http://…
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@PlugMeInBaby
RT @brennannovak: Bothered Facebook + US military conducted psychological exp. on 689,003 without consent? Help build the #IndieWeb http://…
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@edverillo
RT @brennannovak: Bothered Facebook + US military conducted psychological exp. on 689,003 without consent? Help build the #IndieWeb http://…
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@thomaslevine
@caseorganic Waa you should have told me that IndieWebCamp was in _Berlin_! I totally could have gone! Like I was there yesterday.
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@brennannovak
@Shidash you going to come to #IndieWeb camp today? http://bnvk.me/h1V
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lowfill.org
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@jancborchardt
RT @brennannovak: Bothered Facebook + US military conducted psychological exp. on 689,003 without consent? Help build the #IndieWeb http://…
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@JockelLohkamp
RT @jancborchardt: Good first day of #IndieWebCamp Berlin yesterday! See you today as well, 2PM at @agoracollective https://twitter.com/jancborchardt/status/483186406303756288/photo/1
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@lowfill
First post from my #indieweb site using @withknown
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jeremyzilar
Good Morning from NYC
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@t_silos
Quick Central Park run before #indiewebcamp 2014 NYC day 2 I just ran 3.29 km @ a 6'40"/km pace with Nike+. http://go.nike.com/3p33t29 #nikeplus
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GWG
jeremyzilar: The video up?
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hildebrand.me
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GWG
Is there video feed?
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KartikPrabhu
alright day2...
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: Is there a talky up?
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felixniklas.de
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felixniklas.de
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felixniklas.de
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: not yet. folks aren't all in yet
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: Tell me when and where
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GWG
I have my camera ready
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KartikPrabhu
yeah I'll let you know on IRC when we ar eonline
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GWG
I'll be in the vicinity
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kylewm.com
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liamkavanagh.com
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bnvk
Berlin: camp is up and running
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bnvk
people are adding IndieMark 0 on their sites
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kylewm.com
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@jancborchardt
A whole bunch of people at #IndieWebCamp Berlin got IndieAuth working now! http://indiewebcamp.com/Guest_List#Farther_East @indiewebcamp
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@railmeat
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@billywwells
New Billy Wells Horror Book Trailer! https://www.youtube.com/ #horror #kindle #zombies #ebooks #scarystoriestime #amazon #indieweb #indie
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@glennjones
I have also added the ‘html to markdown’ tool as an API to my #indieweb tools page http://tools.transmat.io/ maybe useful to someone
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GWG
lurks
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bnvk
glennjones: HTML to markdown?
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kylewm.com
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GWG
Hmm. Portland was definitely busier
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bear_
how so?
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GWG
bear_: More sessions?
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GWG
bear_: No video yet?
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GWG
bear_: Their schedule has more sessions from yesterday.
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: setting up
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GWG
Okay
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glennjones
bnvk yes I am playing with tools to take data feeds and turn them into file format that can be for static sites
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glennjones
there is also a couple of other tools on http://tools.transmat.io/ for microformat parsing and webmention poeople may find useful
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GWG
jeremyzilar: Yo yo yo
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bear_
GWG ^^
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jancborchardt
sssup from Berlin
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emdeika
hi
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GWG
Hello, emdeika
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GWG
I lowered the volume on my end so it wouldn't echo much
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bear_
nice android :)
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GWG
How about Silence is Golden?
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GWG
chloeweil: Did you take my chair?
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bear_
she did
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GWG
Okay.
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tantek
NYC: hackday discussions
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tantek
NYC: Jeremy - working on a simpler to setup IndieWeb WordPress theme that works for posting from mobile as well
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tantek
NYC: bear - try and get a python implementation of micropub endpoint on his site and try and use Quill to test it
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tantek
NYC: Sandro - capturing research on subdomain usage, and working on a golang implementation of a webmention receiver (server-side)
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bnvk
Berlin: bvnk - working on making Webmention support in Social-Igniter more standardized and easy to install, helping people get their sites up to various IndieMark levels
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bnvk
sorry muting myself on the video
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GWG
I think I'm hearing my mechanical keyboard echoing back
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tantek
NYC: Chloe - working on music metadata liberation stuff, getting it out of itunes, and not having to store it RDIO or Spotify. having your own personal place to store your music metadata - like tagging your tracks.
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GWG
I can never get music metadata right.
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tantek
NYC: Andrei - working on a File Manager app for his backend so he can browse all the stuff on his server and create new resources
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GWG
Whoever classified Beatles as Genre Data on CDDB...
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tantek
NYC: Happy - end goal is to build a social aggregator, a site integrated with webmentions all that, integrate all your social networks, the four that Bridgy has access to and put them all on one page, build in such a way that anyone can grab it and use it.
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tantek
NYC: Happy - first thing is to get happynchill.in up and running :)
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tantek
NYC: Alex - working on my personal site, probably do something similar to Happy
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silencematters.com
uploaded /File:indiewebcamp_nyc2014.JPG "IndieWebCamp NYC 2014"
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bear_
bear@andyet.net
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tantek
NYC: Kartik - Marginalia - finishing that up. Goal is to get the blog post public that futured for tomorrow.
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: You can have on-post haventa forewhen presooning returningwenta retrohome.
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GWG
It's a quote from Hitchhiker's Guide
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@anomalily
Question of Great Importance: will PDX #indiewebcamp have coffee this morning?
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emdeika
aaronpk: would you be up for helping me fix https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/59 later in the day?
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bnvk
tantek: bear: what are your thoughts about CloudFlare as a stop gap?
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tantek
NYC: Tantek - sketched out /2014/reposts quite well yesterday for how to do indieweb /repost UI and presentation. Could work on that today but thinking of working on CSS for People Focused Mobile Communications
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@dannydb_stellar
RT @kevinmarks: @cdixon your continual conflation of "the web" with silos is the unacknowledged problem #indieweb
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tantek
NYC: Tantek - also I wanted to talk about how to deal with bad bots - i.e. bots pretending to be IE5.5, or ignoring robots.txt, or ignoring throttling directives
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GWG
I know a good CDN for 4 cents a GB
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@aaronpk
@anomalily absolutely! In fact I am making it right now and you are welcome to come early! #indiewebcamp (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/06/29/1/indiewebcamp)
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kylewm
good morning iwc! having website problems already :P does anybody know or have a guess why #5 and #6 are not being rotated? (if i right-click> View Image, they are rotated properly) https://kylewm.com/note/2014/06/29/2
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mrflix
@tantek: I wrote the CSS for your mobile communication blocks: https://github.com/mrflix/indieweb-contact
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aaronpk
oy image rotation...
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tantek
aaronpk - CSS? ;)
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bnvk
wait, a magnetic phone charging device? WAT? :P
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tantek
wireless charging - in Nexus 5 phone
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tantek
bear has one
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mrflix
tantek, comment?
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GWG
Someone solved the problem of reposts?
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GWG
bnvk: Look up Qi charging
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GWG
Several phones have it
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tantek
mrflix - how do I view it?
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mrflix
first link in the repo
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tantek
mrflix - that's pretty slick!
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GWG
tantek: Have you figured out the desktop version?
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tantek
GWG - not yet
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mrflix
i’ll just quickly add some browser prefixes for mobile safari (-webkit-)
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tantek
good call
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jgarber
@tantek: Been thinking about your People-Focused Mobile Communication series of posts. Has their been much discussion around creating something like an "IndieWebBrowser" that would present a person's preferred communication channels using native UI (iOS, Android, etc.)?
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jgarber
(Also: hello, everyone! Been following along from afar this year and looks like there's some great work being done.)
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mrflix
I said i’m adding prefixes :D
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bnvk
Any of you Known users online at the moment? Had a question
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tantek
jgarber - what native UI/
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tantek
mrflix - awesome
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jgarber
@tantek Sorry, should've clarified. "IndieWebBrowser" could be a native app on iOS, Android, etc. It could look at a website and based on some markup conventions, determine a user's preferred communication channels (as you've been outlining in your posts).
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mrflix
@the lovely person who previewed the contact’s demo on his ipod: please refresh
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@brennannovak
@lowfill awesome job getting your #IndieWeb site setup. This is the first cross site conversation from... http://bnvk.me/1Uz
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kylewm
jgarber: snarfed demoed a browser plugin like that at indiewebcamp sf ... having trouble finding it atm
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kylewm
just a little yellow box in the corner of the page with contact icons based on their hcard
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@caseorganic
@thomaslevine Darn! I didn't know there would be an #indiewebcamp in Berlin until yesterday! Should have tweeted it! It's still going today!
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jgarber
@kylewm Oh, cool. I'd like to see that if you can find it. I don't know much about native app development so I'm not sure if the idea of an indieweb-focused browser is even an idea worthy of pursuit.
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Psychic Entrepreneurs Club at Terry’s Business Pavilion. Demo(n) your creations till 5:30 pm today! #indiewebcamp
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kylewm
jgarber: totally! or at least extensions another feature it could have
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kylewm
would be notifying you if the current site accepts webmebtions or pingbacks
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GWG
is working on code cleanup/commenting functions
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tantek
jgarber - hopefully we can figure out how to code the markup+css+js to "just work" in existing mobile browser
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jgarber
@kylewm Yeah, there are a ton of possibilities given the markup structures around mentions, replies, and other microformatted data.
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jgarber
@tantek Yeah, I thought that's what you were going for. UI consistency across platforms (iOS v. Android v. Firefox OS) seems like an ever-shifting target, though.
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jgarber
But I can see the benefit of keeping the features in markup/CSS/JS.
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tantek
kylewm - re: /2014/Design_Elements - photos or screenshots would help a lot there - hard to follow what the notes are talking about!
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tantek
jgarber - not UI consistency across platforms, but rather *within* platforms
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tantek
so someone using an iOS device just sees familiar icons
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jgarber
@tantek Right, right. Poor word choice on my part.
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tantek
and then I'll probably do one for FirefoxOS
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mrflix
optimized the CSS for mobile browsers, namespaces the css to not bleed into existing CSS: http://mrflix.github.io/indieweb-contact/
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tantek
and then server that to Android users too - since Android users are used to somewhat inconsistent UI / icons in their experience
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bnvk
tantek: can I get you to help with creating a github repo fork of https://github.com/bastianallgeier/indie-app-store and granting a few of us access?
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bnvk
^— or anything with create status on the IndieWeb org account
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tantek
bnvk - per discussion with aaronpk - why should it be on the indieweb gh?
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tantek
we talked about that a while ago
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bnvk
I missed that convo
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bnvk
because it relates to indieweb
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tantek
so "relates to indieweb" is not good enough
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bnvk
it be using MF, webmentions, and help people install Indieweb software
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tantek
we cleaned out tons of stuff that was not maintained
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tantek
old forks etc.
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tantek
bar has been raised
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tantek
to stuff which is ready for people to use
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tantek
for the indieweb gh
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bnvk
so the org is not for projects which are works in progress?
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tantek
until then - just develop it on your on repo
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tantek
bnvk - we tried that - in progress - and none of them worked out
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tantek
so we decided "works in progress" is insufficient
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bnvk
hrm, strange
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tantek
we just ended up with a bunch of abandoned / dead projects
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tantek
so those are all gone now
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tantek
"in progress" = use your own repo
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tantek
is it running live on your own site? on multiple sites - great let's put it in a shared space for others to try out
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bnvk
well, thanks for the encouragement and assuming a new effort is already abandoned + dead ;)
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bnvk
I didn't realize such decision had been made about the "official" GH account
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bnvk
moving on
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tantek
bnvk - there were like 2+ days of IRC conversation about it
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tantek
pretty sure you were there
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bnvk
nope
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tantek
!tell aaronpk do you remember what day we had that discussion about pruning the projects on the indieweb gh?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bnvk
I don't always read back in the logs every day, so you probably had the conversation- I might have been in the room, this is just news to me
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bnvk
onto more productive things
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tantek
bnvk - think of it from the perspective of people that come to the indieweb gh and expect to find stuff they can install and use
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tantek
that's the bar we should meet there
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tantek
ironically, just like a store would ;)
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tantek
but yeah, we should write that up somewhere on the wiki - about the indieweb gh
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tantek
hoping to track down the discussion in the IRC logs so we can make it easily discoverable on the wiki
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bnvk
thats' funny to be using Github like that, it's very counter how I think of it
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tantek
bnvk - it looks bad for communities to have a bunch of dead projects in it - which is what had happened to the indieweb org
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tantek
it looks like the community is dead
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tantek
so we pruned it back to stuff that was still in active use
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GWG
Is that why you can't pull the battery anymore on most phones?
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tantek
GWG - "cost savings"
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bnvk
tantek: agreed- dead projects make communities look dead
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tantek
the selfdogfood bar is not an unreasonable requirement
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GWG
tantek: Rhetorical question
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bnvk
yes, but expecting github to be a place to collaborate and share code in all states of development is not unreasonable IMHO
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GWG
If I use this Genericon for comments, http://genericons.com/#comment which one looks good for mentions?
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tantek
bnvk - github yes, but github orgs set a higher bar of expectation
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GWG
I'm going flag...
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GWG
Amen, bear_
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@distributedone
Tantek Celik, "Why We Need the IndieWeb", #PDF14 https://www.youtube.com/ #distributedNews
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GWG
http://tiny.n9n.us/ - Separate counts in the entry metadata for mentions and comments...how does that look?
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tantek
Berlin(bnvk) did we lose you?
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tantek
mrflix - you guys still there? lost you from the talky.
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mrflix
we're
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GWG
I was limiting myself to the Genericons font set
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bnvk
yah, signed off as I wanted to move my laptop and collaborate… we don't have a detached webcam
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GWG
What would you have used?
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tantek
bnvk - cool
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bnvk
mrflix: you do this $ git clone --recursive
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rascul
i'm a little unsure, does indiemark level 1 search require search on the site or just searchable content from ie google ?
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tantek
rascul - just searchability
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rascul
ahh ok, it appears i'm at level 1 then
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tantek
rascul - could you help with pointing out what in the indiemark level 1 search description wasn't clear?
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rascul
pretty sure it's my reading comprehension skills, not the description
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rascul
reading it through again it seems pretty clear
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aaronpk
pdx is getting ready for hack day kickoff!
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 33 minutes ago: do you remember what day we had that discussion about pruning the projects on the indieweb gh?
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tantek
rascul - good /copy should work for skimming :)
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rascul
it's level 2 that requires search being on the site
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rascul
eh no, reading fail again heh
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bear_
in micropub - is /api/post sacred?
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tantek
yeah manifest! hey jancborchardt bnvk you guys know that's what's shipping in / for FirefoxOS phones and marketplace right?
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gRegor`
I'd like to propose a new IWC logo: http://memegenerator.net/instance/51827718
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@jlsuttles
I coined selfkoolaid today at #indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/selfkoolaid
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rascul
oh yeah!
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aaronpk
pdx is at http://talky.io/riker starting in a minute
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GWG
bear_: Can you bring me a sandwich?
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gRegor`
Try sudo, GWG
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@anomalily
+1 points for coffee + 2 for french press and +10 points for homemade tofu scramble at #indiewebcamp #priorities
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bnvk
tantek: do you have any idea why the FireFoxOS manifest.webapp like http://soundcloud.com/manifest.webapp differs from the one defined by the w3c https://w3c.github.io/manifest/ ?
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GWG
tantek went to lunch
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bnvk
GWG: ok, thanks
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@DASocialmedia
In-depth conversations about privacy, trust and address books, across coasts. #indiewebcamp http://dragplus.com/notfound?&utm_source=site&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=go&utm_term=notfound #socialmedia
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@jlsuttles
Today I am building a Twitter API to Micropub API adapter at #indiewebcamp Mobile apps let you set the API root! https://twitter.com/jlsuttles/status/483296533744328705/photo/1
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jgarber
@bnvk @tantek Re: app manifest on soundcloud.com -- Looks like they're following the MDN example here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Build/Manifest with regards to defining icons. (Assuming that's the differences you reference.)
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bnvk
jgarber: right, icons, but also other things
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kylewm
apparently EXIF doesn't rotate the image on the site itself (which makes sense)
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kylewm
silos have made me lazy
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@jlsuttles
Micropub is an API spec that is used to create h-entry or h-event posts on one's own domain using third-party clients http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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bnvk
launch_path.html vs. start_url.html
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jgarber
@bnvk Ah, right. Those are quite different.
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bnvk
err launch_path: index.html
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bnvk
friggin standards…
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jden
good morning all you wonderful indiewebcampers. joining you in spirit from SF
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GWG
Time for work...
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bear_
hi jden
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bear_
enjoy your work day GWG
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@whitelopezsm
"@benwerd: In-depth conversations about privacy, trust and address books, across coasts. #indiewebcamp http://t.co/2muB4e3LNs" #privacy
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@wordyard
@scottros testing webmention here
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@veganstraightedge
RT @kyle_wm: Some photos from #indiewebcamp day1, feat. @aaronpk, @wardcunningham, backs of @jlsuttles, @veganstraightedge heads https://t.…
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GWG
bear_: Will be lurkin g
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ericholscher
Interesting microformats that we've come up with: h-apidoc, which would be a microformat for marking up API documentation -- and h-index, which is for marking up index pages
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tantek
ericholscher why not just use h-entry to start with (especially for index pages) ?
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ericholscher
tantek: good question :)
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ericholscher
is a noob
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tantek
re-use before inventing - it's less work that way :)
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aaronpk
tantek: is there any documentation on when it makes sense to create a new h-* microformat? given that there are a lot documented here but only a few actually in use http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#v2_vocabularies
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tantek
whoa 112!
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tantek
aaronpk - there is microformats.org/wiki/process
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tantek
which does a lot of *discouraging* of creating new vocabularies, because 99% of people have the wrong instinct (create) to start with - and a lot of that has to be untaught / unlearned before actually understanding when to create something new
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@veganstraightedge
RT @jlsuttles: Today I am building a Twitter API to Micropub API adapter at #indiewebcamp Mobile apps let you set the API root! http://t.co…
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peat
aaronpk: where is the email code hiding. guide me, obi wan.
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aaronpk
one sec!
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aaronpk
putting it on github
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bret
tantek: were looking at marking up http://docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api/index.html as an example
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tantek
bret - what's the use case?
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tantek
we used to spend lots of time marking up things in #microformats for the sake of marking them presuming we'd figure out what to do with the structured data later (hand wave search engines hand wave)
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bret
Allowing an IDE or text editor to query documentation on a specific item in the docs
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tantek
and it turned out that was nearly always a waste of time
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tantek
unless you were building the consuming application yourself as well
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tantek
bret - full text search / indexing is "good enough" for that use case
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bnvk
tantek: we're errring towards the w3c standard for app manifests as opposed to the FireFox OS standard- good call?
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tantek
bnvk - you sure you're pointing to the latest w3c standard?
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tantek
because Mozilla folks have been editing that at W3C, and that's what Firefox OS follows
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tantek
just be sure you're not referencing some *old* W3C spec
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tantek
which happens A LOT
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bnvk
latest w3c, it hink
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tantek
referencing a W3C spec that no one implements is a huge mistake
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binbasti
bnvk tantek i think you're misinformed
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tantek
binbasti: feel free to offer specific corrections!
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binbasti
i'm in webapps. the w3c spec is currently being implemented in order to replace the ffos one
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binbasti
it was started at mozilla
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bnvk
cool!
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binbasti
and edited by a mozillian
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tantek
isn't that what I said?
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tantek
"Mozilla folks have been editing that at W3C, and that's what Firefox OS follows"
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bnvk
sounds like the opposite
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binbasti
oh you meant it will follow it
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aaronpk
run test.php and you should see some html in your browser
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bnvk
peat: o'hey der!
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binbasti
also, didn't read all of the conversation :)
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tantek
binbasti: np - sounds like we're on a similar understanding :)
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jancborchardt
yeah, so we can and should use the W3C one
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tantek
looks like that's where Marcos (Mozilla guy) has been doing the editing so that looks legit
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binbasti
it's just that " a W3C spec that no one implements" is just missing a "yet" in between
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tantek
what's the diff?
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tantek
with the FirefoxOS marketplace spec?
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bnvk
tantek: so this link https://w3c.github.io/manifest/ is the current W3C that FFOS is following?
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tantek
I thought the W3C spec was based on the Firefox OS work
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binbasti
it's not
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jancborchardt
well – FF OS definitely does not implement that as of now. But it sounds like it will in the future, right?
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binbasti
tantek: yes
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binbasti
"based on", not "following"
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binbasti
jancborchardt: yes, it will most likely
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bnvk
key diffs are the icon structuring and the "launch_path": "/index.html" vs. "start_url": "/start.html"
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binbasti
if you're interested you can follow almost all development and discussion via github issues and pull requests
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tantek
I'd expect FFOS to follow the spec that Mozillians are helping edit yes :)
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binbasti
and provide input as well
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tantek
bnvk - yeah I was just comparing their JSONs
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tantek
noticed that too
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tantek
binbasti - thanks for the clarification
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binbasti
sure, np
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tantek
looks like the devmo docs are for *shipping* FirefoxOS versions https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Build/Manifest - and I'd expect that new(er) FirefoxOS versions would support the updated manifest fields.
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tantek
so at some point https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Build/Manifest should be updated, and may mention the old fields in a backward compat section (I hope)
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bnvk
OK, so the w3c one is the best?!
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tantek
bnvk - depends on what you mean by "best" ;)
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tantek
what are your values/principles for evaluating?
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bnvk
well- needing to be updated to be current at the longest date from now
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binbasti
what's the use case? sorry, missed that part
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tantek
binbasti: great question :)
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binbasti
the good thing is the new spec will be extensible by specification
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bnvk
tantek: can't tell if that was trolling snark or not ;)
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tantek
bnvk - just applauding binbasti for their methodology :)
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binbasti
well, that's the idea we started with when we founded 5apps
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binbasti
so you'll need all possible manifests, if you actually want to install these apps
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binbasti
as longs as they're different
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binbasti
and just for the store itself i'd probably use an extended w3c manifest. but if you need extensions already, you should give that as input to the editors, because it might end up in the core spec
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binbasti
i mean as a developer you want as many manifests as possible
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tantek
^^^^ what binbasti said
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tantek
rather than extend w3c manifest, please give input to it instead
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bnvk
binbasti: gotcha- I wish Garret could make it out today. Yah we're going with an extended w3c manifest
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bnvk
tantek: give input?
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binbasti
they're trying to define "one manifest to rule them all" basically, so if you have a valid use case that's not yet discussed, they need to know about it
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tantek
bnvk: it says in the spec how to give input: " If you wish to make comments regarding this document, please send them to public-webapps@w3.org (subscribe, archives). "
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bnvk
tantek: oh yah, definitely- I was using extend + give input similarly
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bnvk
yah once we've explored our problem space enough and have something work I'll do that
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tantek
bnvk - "extend" sounds like "make up your own fields and add them"
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bnvk
well- yah, that's I mean for this very moment
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tantek
whereas input is more like, hey we have this use-case (citation with URL describing), and for that we don't see any existing feature in the w3c manifest, so we're going to add a new property, e.g. sampleNewPropertyname
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tantek
at least send that as an email as requested by the document/group
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tantek
before extending it
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binbasti
github is actually just as good for this one. if it's a thing, marcos will put it on the list at some point
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tantek
I would consider public documentation of the use-case(s) you need your extension(s) for a pre-requisite
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tantek
binbasti - if github is just as good for that, perhaps let marcos know to update the spec to say so next to the email list?
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binbasti
good point
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binbasti
i'll ask about it
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tantek
is also annoyed with W3C spec templates that burry the "how to give input / feedback" info
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tantek
s/burry/bury
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: is also annoyed with W3C spec templates that bury the "how to give input / feedback" info
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tantek
"Status of This Document" is not where I'd look for "Where to give feedback"
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tantek
(i.e. why it wasn't immediately apparent to bnvk *how* to give input - just from viewing the spec)
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tantek
(bnvk, to be clear, I am saying that is not your fault)
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tantek
binbasti - if marcos feels free to do so, I'd even make a separate subhead section inside status for "How to give feedback" for the email / github issues links
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tantek
that stuff needs to be more discoverable
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binbasti
actually http://w3c.github.io/manifest/ has it directly in the head
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@InfernalPaladin
RT @psyhigh: Psychic Entrepreneurs Club at Terry’s Business Pavilion. Demo(n) your creations till 5:30 pm today! #indiewebcamp
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binbasti
which shows a red warning to check out the github version though
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tantek
binbasti - "Repository" as a heading is not immediately apparent to folks
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binbasti
i agree
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bnvk
lol, i'm not too worried about it as this moment
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bnvk
I'm just trying to sprint to get something done by end of day, then submit input, get feedback, update my specs and manifests as a separate task :)
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tantek
binbasti - for another example see: http://www.w3.org/TR/css-masking-1/
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tantek
right there in the header it says "Feedback:
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tantek
public-fx@w3.org with subject line “[css-masking] … message topic …”(archives)"
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tantek
so that's clearly within the realm of possibility for publishing on w3c specs - hopefully that can be re-used with the manifest spec
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tantek
note that I am not saying anything preferential of email vs github issue etc. Let the editor(s) choose how they prefer to receive feedback.
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binbasti
got it, thanks. will probably just do a pr instead of asking
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tantek
great!
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gRegor`
Pointing a subdomain to another host is just a DNS A record, correct?
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ericholscher
or a CNAME, depending if you want it to point to an IP or domain name
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gRegor`
Yeah, I'm pointing to an IP for the subdomain on dreamhost. Probably just hasn't propagated yet. Flushed my DNS cache
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gRegor`
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@anomalily
Stripping CSS is pretty fun. It’s like paintstripping but less toxic. #indiewebcamp
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tantek
aaronpk - where did you put the photos from yesterday?
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tantek
as in embed
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aaronpk
main photo is on my site, haven't uploaded to the wiki yet
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rascul
!tell gRegor` https://www.whatsmydns.net/ to get an idea of dns propogation
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
aaronpk - a-ha! NYC has uploaded to the wiki!
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aaronpk
getting there slowly...
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tantek
discussed in NYC - useful for testing indieweb sites (beyond mobile) https://twitter.com/t/status/483319122831212544
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@t
Want: a #Predator-like browser extension to hotkey toggle #a11y vision modes. Sound optional: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtGjz1AyUGc&feature=youtu.be&t=34s (ttk.me t4Wq1)
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tantek
aaronpk oh cool! you fixed the Loqi youtube URL bug!
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aaronpk
heh I didn't do anything
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aaronpk
loqi must have fixed it himself
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tantek
or maybe it works for youtube urls with and explicit start time
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tantek
a/and/an
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tantek
s/and/an
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: a/an/an
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tantek
oh well
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tantek
I wonder if Berlin took a photo yet
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@brennannovak
Hey #IndieWeb does a person publish from a website, homepage, or domain? http://bnvk.me/Srk
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tantek
bnvk - yes :)
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tantek
bnvk - your question evaluated to "true" ;)
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tantek
btw we're still live on talky.io/iwc-nyc here in NYC if anyone wants to join/lurk on our hacking session room
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tantek
mrflix - go ahead and add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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tantek
greetings from NYC on talky!
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bear_
make sure your using chrome and not firefox berlin folks
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mrflix
we can hear you guys
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GWG
tantek: I'll lurk textually
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mrflix
did you guys mute talky?
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@brennannovak
@oscargodson each word pretty much means the same thing. Trying to get a consensus from #IndieWeb for branding / UX is more unified!
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@brennannovak
@oscargodson also, when are you going to join the #IndieWeb and publish from your own site? We need JS wizards like you :)
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mrflix
talky is running in chrome. mic preferences are fine. I have no clue why you guys can’t hear us
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@psyhigh
Mobile Identity Splitting in the Psychosphere: Three new add-ons for the Id. Emma and Chloe 2pm at Terry’s Business Pavilion. #indiewebcamp
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@brianjesse
RT @brennannovak: @oscargodson also, when are you going to join the #IndieWeb and publish from your own site? We need JS wizards like you :)
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@psyhigh
Merging Multiple Identities in the Psychosphere: Where We’ve Gone Wrong. Emma and Chloe 3pm at Terry’s Business Pavilion. #indiewebcamp
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@t
Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication
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@mrflix
RT @t: Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication
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emdeika
hey. i'm quite new to this community, so would anyone mind if i put my fresh eyes on reworking the wiki so new people can actually find the info they are looking for?
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emdeika
i mean, there is an edit history and i wouldn't mind if people reverted changes they don't agree with
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bear_
you should coordinate with I believe is rascul
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bear_
who is also doing wiki updates/edits
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tantek
emdeika - there are many kinds of new people that show up to the wiki, and we've definitely gone through some iterations to try to fix some of that (though it can definitely be improved - thank you!)
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tantek
it's less a matter of changes people don't agree with, and more working towards a deliberate design to cover many kinds of new people that show up
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tantek
who typically have *very* different things they are looking for and sometimes can't easily find
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@brennannovak
@oscargodson wat? Hehe. All the code projects are on github https://github.com/indieweb/
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tantek
(drat which I just remember I need to keep updating … )
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@BrendanEich
RT @t: Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication
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rascul
emdeika bear_ i do updates and edits as i come across pages that look like they need them, i don't (usually) hunt them down
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Loqi
gRegor`: rascul left you a message 52 minutes ago: https://www.whatsmydns.net/ to get an idea of dns propogation
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bnvk
tantek: it was in ref to Oscar saying he needs Github to work on code
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tantek
bnvk - interesting
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bnvk
yah, strange that he didn't that aspect…
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bnvk
I think this is along the lines of what emdeika is saying, I often get lost and confused with the Wiki- I've come to find memorizing /Page-name is the easiest way to find what I'm looking for
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@ShaneHudson
@hunterwalk What I want is a Medium that lets you post externally and discover other places easily. See http://indiewebcamp.com/
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rascul: Thanks. I was using that. It propagated but now there's some other wonky thing with 1and1 or dreamhost. I'm just setting it up on my site for now and using a frame redirect so we can demo it at 4. Will figure out the other junk later. :)
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rascul
ahh ok
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@nicolas2fr
#IndieWeb in 1 article, 2013 but still fresh http://www.wired.com/2013/08/indie-web/
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RT @t: Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication
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bnvk
that French guy @nicolas2fr who just tweeted the Wired link wants to help organize a Paris IWC
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tantek
bnvk aaronpk - nice! hook him up with @nitot!
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tantek
skinny - was the breakfast not worth keeping in the past section?
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Hey all, is there someone around who would want to take a few minutes to help me with my shortlink/url redirect? I think I might have done something funny with the redirect, the Hum plugin seems to be working well but the redirect is just sending me back to the root.
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ella: what's it written in?
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RT @t: Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication
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ella
bnvk: I just tried to set it up through gandi.net with web forwarding under the domain management. I saw the .htaccess instructions on https://willnorris.com/2011/01/hum-personal-url-shortener-wordpress but I'm not sure how to edit that since I'm hosting elsewhere?
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@djabatt
RT @t: Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication
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@tomwiththeweath
RT @brennannovak: Bothered Facebook + US military conducted psychological exp. on 689,003 without consent? Help build the #IndieWeb http://…
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@brennannovak @mrflix @jancborchardt Nice to work with you in he IndieWeb Store. #indieweb
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NYC: Alex used the txt message link successfully to send a message - which showed up as an email (and green on Alex's phone). Apparently the first time you "txt" a new contact from iPhone, it sends as old school SMS or email instead of iMessage. When Tantek replied it showed up in Alex's Messages as a blue iMessage.
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tantek
NYC: Alex clicked the Facetime icon which succesfully started a Facetime call ring with Tantek's iPod in about 10 seconds the first time. Subsequently it took only about 3 seconds to initiate the call.
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tantek
NYC: Alex tapped the AIM icon which gave the Safari cannot load error (as expected for when you don't have the AIM app installed)
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aaronpk: added some install notes for the indieweb skin https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/pull/12
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tantek
NYC: Alex tapped the Skype icon it launched the Skype app, and then put up an alert saying "Placing your call / tantekc / (Cancel) (Voice Call)"
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aaronpk
aweome thanks!!
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tantek
NYC: When Alex tapped the (Voice Call) button it placed a Skype audio call, which rang Tantek's iPod in 14 seconds.
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@brennannovak
@nitot I was told by @t to connect with you so @nicolas2fr and I can organize an #IndieWeb camp in Paris... http://bnvk.me/Qho
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tantek
bnvk++
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Loqi
bnvk has 6 karma
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tantek
NYC: (happened at 16:09 EDT) JeremyZilar taps on the txt message icon to send Tantek a txt message "Hi" from his iPhone
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tantek
NYC: (just now) JeremyZilar clicked on the Facetime icon on his *laptop* to start a Facetime call - and Tantek's iPod rang accordingly.
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GWG
wishes he could hear the dialogue on thi
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tantek
NYC: JeremyZilar clicked on the AIM icon on his laptop which opened up the Messages app (which he has set as his default) with the text "greetings+program"
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tantek
which when he pressed return it sent
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tantek
did it again
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tantek
for anyone on IRC - NYC is doing demos and on talky.io/iwc-nyc
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emdeika
bye. i'll reappear the next days as "mdik".
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Loqi
emmak_: bret left you a message on 6/27 at 9:11pm: I can bring a wireless bridge and ethernet for you to use
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@jancborchardt
Hacking overtime at #IndieWebCamp Berlin – working on the Indie App Store https://github.com/brennannovak/indie-app-store
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rascul
what is the phone thing being demoed?
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rascul
also it feels like everybody there is staring at me even though i have no webcam!
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KartikPrabhu
rascul: the phone thingie is tantek's mobile communication using website thingy
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rascul
yeah i see it now, it's pretty nifty
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KartikPrabhu
yeha pretty awesome
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the CSS wasby mrflix
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tantek
Berlin: mrfelix used tantek.com contact.html to call Tantek on Facetime and it worked!
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bnvk
mrflix++
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Loqi
mrflix has 1 karma
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tantek
NYC: Jeremy is demonstrating keplr.me
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tantek
NYC: his son's bday announcement site
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tantek
NYC: his son sometimes asks him to txt mom
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tantek
NYC: he likes to tweet too
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tantek
… so instead of Twitter, how about a tweeting on his own site?
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tantek
… Jeremy made a simple WordPress Theme called "IndieWeb"
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bnvk
Berlin: made huge progress on App Store https://github.com/brennannovak/indie-app-store
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tantek
mrflix++ for CSS for indieweb mobile communications!
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Loqi
mrflix has 2 karma
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tantek
NYC: Jeremy shows install of WP theme
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tantek
NYC: Jeremy shows logged in view on keplr.me/blog
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mrflix
thank you!!
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jlsuttles
hi halorgium_
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tantek
NYC: Jeremy shows blog home page
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jlsuttles
hi halorgium
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tantek
NYC: Jeremy blog upload an image as the home page requests
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halorgium
jlsuttles: hi2u
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tantek
NYC: next time you go back the image is there
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tantek
NYC: once you set things up
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tantek
NYC: you have a simple form immediately
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tantek
NYC: headline, text, and a related link URL
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bnvk
Berlin: signing off for dinner
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tantek
NYC: and then you hit post
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tantek
NYC: and it shows up on the home page
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tantek
NYC: wants to set it up to tweet from keplr.me to his twitter
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tantek
NYC: and that's a starter IndieWeb theme for achieving IndieMark level 1
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: did you see what I said earlier about Quill
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: no, missed it
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jonnybarnes
Quill won;t work on my MacBook, but it will on my iPhone
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aaronpk
oh yeah weird
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jonnybarnes
when I click post it just sends me to the new post page again
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aaronpk
i think someone else mentioned that happening too
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jonnybarnes
I imagine NoScript is messing with the Javascript someway
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tantek
noscript blocks scripts by default right
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jonnybarnes
yes, but I've whitelisted the quill site tantek
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aaronpk
yeah it submits via javascript
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jonnybarnes
but it isnt a vanilla form
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jonnybarnes
as aaronpk says it does the submitting with JS which I assume NoScript is interfering with to "protect" me
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aaronpk
i don't really have any desire to make it work without javascript
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tantek
NYC: KartikPrabhu is demoing!!!
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tantek
NYC: marginalia post is LIVE!
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tantek
NYC: KartikPrabhu is demoing it
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tantek
NYC: if there is marginalia on a paragraph then there's black comment icon after the paragraph.
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tantek
NYC: if you click it then it shows the marginalia in a sidebar for that paragraph
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tantek
NYC: and the comment icon turns green so you know which commet is being shown
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tantek
NYC: if you click another comment icon it hides the other comment and shows this one
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tantek
NYC: if there are multiple comments in the sidebar, it does scroll
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tantek
NYC: the javascript for this is on github
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tantek
NYC: for small screens, the marginalia comments appear inline indented and immediately below the paragraph that it is about
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tantek
NYC: the javascript puts the div in place and adds attributes. all the styling is done with responsive CSS.
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tantek
NYC: the inline vs. sidebar showing of marginalia is all through responsive CSS and live based on the size of the screen!
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: I did something wrong... for some reason my browser isn't sending the cookie sometimes
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tantek
NYC: the javascript is only finding all the comments by fragmention and toggling their display on or off
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aaronpk: as in when you try to use Quill on your own site?
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tantek
NYC: I also have footnotes but those are done by hand
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tantek
NYC: footnotes could also be author marginalia
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: yeah
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tantek
NYC: right now the footnotes are just HTML - no javascript
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tantek
NYC: but I could hook it up using the same display way of doing fragmentions
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: well today I got my client (jonnybarnes.net/notes/new) sending photos properly
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jonnybarnes
which I'm happy with
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tantek
NYC: Chloe helped with the CSS
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: nice!
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tantek
NYC: also I documented a photo of actual physical marginalia
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: saying that I tested it on my phone and the photo is the wrong orientation
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jonnybarnes
but its late and I'll fix that issue tomorrow
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aaronpk
yeah I've noticed that photo orientation has to be handled kind of manually
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aaronpk
oh I know what I was doing wrong... I had a bookmark to an old user account of mine
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aaronpk
that was silly
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tantek
NYC: demo was of http://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia which is now live
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peat_
aaronpk: Captain my captain! Paging you to Riker to check out the new layout and talk about integration with the running wiki. :)
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aaronpk
i can install plugins if that's what you're asking
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aaronpk: Well ... we have a new theme .. but ... we don't know what's next. Haha.
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tantek
NYC: showed what marginalia post looked like on an iPod on the projector
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Loqi
rofl
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tantek
btw aaronpk - if you guys want to watch NYC demos: talky.io/iwc-nyc
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peat: hmmmm i'm frantically trying to finish this up. how's it looking on your install of MW?
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tantek
NYC: Sandro getting setup to demo
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tantek
NYC: Sandro wrote a webmention server in go
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aaronpk
we might have to call that good enough for the demo rather than try to actually launch it on indiewebcamp.com right now
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tantek
NYC: if I do a fetch on mentions it shows nothing
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tantek
NYC: if I do a post of a webmention via curl on the command line
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tantek
NYC: it took a moment because it is verifying it synchronously
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tantek
NYC: now we can check the mentions - and it shows 1 mention recorded, source URL mentions target URL : true
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@kartik_prabhu
demo-ed #marginalia #annotations on the #indieweb @indiewebcamp in NYC: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia Thanks to @t and @chloeweil
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tantek
NYC: now can try a curl with a bad URL
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tantek
NYC: and show that it tries to validate the URL and says false
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tantek
NYC: still records it in the log as a failed webmention
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tantek
NYC: you may want that or may want to drop them on the floor
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tantek
NYC: demonstrates a webmention across two other domains
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tantek
NYC: validates and shows true
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tantek
NYC: we now have an implementation of webmention in go
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tantek
NYC: I started learning go a week a go
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tantek
NYC: I need to add it to github
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NYC: Demo: chloeweil
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tantek
NYC: Chloe I'm trying to POSSE music metadata
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tantek
NYC: first by exporting it from iTunes
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@psyhigh
Hacking the Metaphysical Eligibility Engine - An Omnidirectional Discussion Taylor at Terry’s Business Pavilion at 4pm #indiewebcamp
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tantek
NYC: and keeping it in my own storage
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tantek
(aside WTF are the psyhigh announcements about? anyone know their relation to indieweb?)
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tantek
NYC: Chloe I have all the metadata then on my local server
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: one of the psyhigh founders is at the West i think
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tantek
NYC: and I have a drag & drop area where I can add MP3 files and it will read the ID3 tags
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tantek
NYC: but what's most important to me are the tags I add
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tantek
NYC: e.g. like <1999, 2013SPR
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tantek
NYC: seasons etc. for when a song was important to me in my life
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tantek
NYC: I don't want anything locked into iTunes forever
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tantek
NYC: I want to maintain this data that I've added to for 15+ years
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tantek
NYC: on my own site etc.
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tantek
NYC: I used bootstrap for this site but I don't really like it.
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paulmunday.net
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tantek
NYC: Audio metainformation POSSE
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tantek
chloeweil: could you document how to export your iTunes data on this page? http://indiewebcamp.com/iTunes
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tantek
NYC: Demo: Happy showing his website that he created during IndieWebCamp!
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tantek
NYC: Happy: here is a browser window
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tantek
NYC: if you go to happynchill.in it has an h-card
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tantek
NYC: and then I worked on social-aggregator.happynchill.in
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tantek
NYC: this is the foundation of the project I'm going to be working on
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tantek
NYC: right now this does nothing but is a shell application that you can use for crosscloud applications
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tantek
NYC: and I can log into the wiki
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tantek
NYC: with happynchill.in
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paulmunday.net
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NYC: IndieAuth options: email Personal, twitter, github, google
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tantek
NYC: uses Persona to sign in
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tantek
NYC: goes to indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge
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tantek
NYC: goes to Guest_List
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tantek
NYC: edit
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tantek
NYC: copy and paste Attendee template
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paulmunday.net
edited /Tumblr (+139) "/* Example Tumblrs with microformats */"
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NYC: Happy Enchill gets a rapid wiki editing class
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paulmunday.net
edited /Tumblr (+0) "/* Add microformats support */"
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happynchill.in
edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+241) "/* Creators */"
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tantek
NYC: adds himself to RSVP!
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tantek
NYC: And with that Happy has graduated from Apprentice to IndieWeb Creator!
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tantek
NYC: Demo: Alex Noakes
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NYC: Happy gets a IWC sticker
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tantek
NYC: Alex shows he's already logged into the wiki
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tantek
NYC: edits the Cambridge RSVP page
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tantek
NYC: moves his RSVP to the right spot
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noakes.in
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NYC: saves page
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tantek
NYC: shows noakes.in
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tantek
NYC: created with the hCard creator
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tantek
NYC: and got Node running on his server as well
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tantek
NYC: and with that Alex has graduated from Apprentice to IndieWeb Creator!
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tantek
NYC: Alex gets an IndieWebCamp sticker
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tantek
NYC: and with that we are done with demos!
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noakes.in
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@kartik_prabhu
demo-ed #marginalia #annotations on the #indieweb @indiewebcamp in NYC: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia Thanks to @t and @chloeweil
(twtr.io/nxouRX2bDv)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell aaronpk, caseorganic heads-up re: Cambridge, now that we're filling up, Sandro (who works at MIT) has volunteered that he can reserve a room for 40 people - 40 chairs and 9 tables at MIT for the curation of the Cambridge IndieWebCamp.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rascul.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+19) "/* Creators */ link my name to my user page"
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gRegor`
Say you have an h-card on the same page as a h-entry, but it's not within the h-entry. What's the best way to indicate that h-card is the author?
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KartikPrabhu
author of?
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paulmunday.net
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aaronpk
question: what would you expect the micropub request to create a bookmark to look like?
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 minutes ago: heads-up re: Cambridge, now that we're filling up, Sandro (who works at MIT) has volunteered that he can reserve a room for 40 people - 40 chairs and 9 tables at MIT for the curation of the Cambridge IndieWebCamp.
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: just a url field
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aaronpk
h=entry url=xxx?
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gRegor`
I have. Doesn't seem to cover this scenario, KartikPrabhu
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gRegor`
Or it's not clear to me. Should have I have a rel-author link to the same page?
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: oh hmmm h=entry bookmark-of=xxx maybe?
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aaronpk
that makes sense
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KartikPrabhu
gregor`: hmmm will look into it
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gRegor`
Let me try that and see what indiewebify thinks of it
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KartikPrabhu
alrighty... loggin off good indiewebcamp!
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tantek
gRegor`: if the author information is outside the h-entry, you have to use rel=author on the permalink page to point to the author's canonical home page
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gRegor`
tantek: Would a rel-author="" (implying same page) work?
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tantek
gRegor`: ouch that is an ugly hack!
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gRegor`
That's what I have for now. Demos are coming up soon, so I will probably leave that for now. Just curious in general
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gRegor`
Hm
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tantek
Portland, what's your Talky?
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gRegor`
picard is the main room
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aaronpk
PSA: at 4:00 we're going to start with a group photo!
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aaronpk
tantek: pdx starting demos!
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tantek
hey portland - can you turn your camera to face the demos
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tantek
rather than the attendeeds? ;)
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aaronpk
haha yeah good call
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tantek
thank you!
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tantek
hey skinny!
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tantek
woohoo new wiki look!
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tantek
OMS NO TABLES?!?
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tantek
(did I hear that right?0
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rascul
hearing is hard
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tantek
wait is that a sidebar with tweets from @indiewebcamp on the right?
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rascul
top of sidebar at least is events
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chloeweil.com
created /iTunes (+1513) "Created page with "== Exporting Your Data == '''In iTunes 11, this option is located under File > Library.''' The best way is to ignore the 'Export Library' option and select 'Export Playlist.' T...""
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chloeweil.com
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tantek
chloeweil++ for starting the iTunes page!
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Loqi
chloeweil has 3 karma
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rascul
much better!
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tantek
thank you for the better mic!
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tantek
I took notes on NYC demos here in IRC
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chloeweil.com
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bret
weee!
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bret
if you need clarification feel free to aks!
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peat
No tables, responsive layout, and the event feed is harvested from the events page -- updates automatically. :)
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peat
Sadly, this version does not support IE 5.
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tantek
peat WOW!
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aaronpk
(video still ok?)
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cryst____
tantek: i'm using a diff nick now. :D
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tantek
crystal that's a lot of underscores
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tantek
video is good
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tantek
sound is so much better
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crystal_
tantek: new name, same great CSS prettyness
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rascul
who's up now? i missed the last few minutes
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crystal_
ward cunningham
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tantek
rascul: that's ward cunningham
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tantek
c2.com
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crystal_
tantek: we got a new favicon too
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tantek
crystal_: sweet - is there place to play with the new wiki markup+style?
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tantek
and is it responsive for mobile?
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peat
http://github.com/peat/wiki is the fork we're working from.
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crystal_
tantek: not yet. aaronpk and peat will need to work on getting it up somewhere that we can test with content. Yes, it's responsive.
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peat
I think we could merge to the official repo, spend a few hours hacking and testing one of these evenings to wrap it up ... or roll back to the current design as needed. Happy to volunteer an evening or two this coming week to help out.
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tantek
mind blown.
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benwerd
that wins best demo, sorry everyone
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rascul
indeed
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peat
Yup.
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tantek
someone please give him a sticker and congratulate him
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peat
Gotta step up the game with my kids. Haha.
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rascul
indieweb has no age barrier :)
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tantek
rascul up or down
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aaronpk
tantek: her*
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rascul
indeed
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tantek
apologizes
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tantek
*her*
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tantek
good use-cases for keeping a cache of people, URLs, twitters!
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tantek
did shaners just throw shade on Dr. Ben Werdmuller?
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benwerd
flounce
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crystal_
Mr. Dr. Werdmuller
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rascul
what's the joke?
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aaronpk
benwerd: can you skew the laptop slightly more towards shane?
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tantek
hey it's dr. benwerd!
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tantek
can you reply to something you're reading?
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tantek
i.e. are there web actions buttons on the items?
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@HappyNCHILL
Omw back to boston but it's been real nyc. Learned a lot. Looking forward to building my own website. 'happynchill.in' #indiewebcamp
(twtr.io/ny0RNzZxYo)
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bret
tantek: we are about to find out I think
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bret
not sure if they are web actions
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tantek
four of us left here in NYC btw watching. jeremyzilar, chloeweil, kartikprabhu, tantek
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bnvk1
is there a PDX vid feed?
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tantek
bnvk talky.io/picard
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bret
:( not quite working
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bret
I think the reader acts a micropub client
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bret
and is the posting interface
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tantek
bret - whoa - so it can write posts for you!!!
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bret
yeee!
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tantek
so its a readerwriter client
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bret
"It actualy does make a post"
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tantek
does it support PuSH for showing items in realtime when they're posted?
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crystal_
bnvk1: you missed my demo? ;)
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tantek
can you see previous comments on an item? (so you don't repeat something)
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peat
I wonder if readwriteweb would give up the .org ... haha.
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bret
tantek: not yet I dont thnik
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bnvk1
lol, just Picard & Riker
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tantek
bnvk1: how is it still light outside in Berlin?!?
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benwerd
tantek: no previous comments yet, no PuSH yet, but both are simple additions
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benwerd
(this was a 4 hour job ;)
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tantek
benwerd - it was amazing!
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tantek
just don't tell winer you've just replaced opml
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benwerd
totally didn't mention that it's agnostic to RSS and h-feeds - so if you have people with legacy feeds, it'll work with them
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bnvk1
who is the fellow in PDX speaking now?
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tantek
did he say "twisted protocol"? what is that?
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bnvk1
it's a python event lib
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tantek
(I'm lost about what is asking / answering what)
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bret
i think its too small to read
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bret
(interp of the issue)
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@jlsuttles
So I had big plans today but @halorgium and I discovered its hard to implement things that aren't documented and auth is hard #indiewebcamp
(twtr.io/ny1LTGmddw)
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aaronpk
sounds like the end goal is to make a distributed dns database
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bret
2014, still 4-5 different display cables/adapters
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tantek
bret - I brought 4-5 just myself ;)
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GWG
tantek: Displayport, DVI, HDMI, VGA?
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bret
yup!
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bret
and thunderbolt
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benwerd
has now fixed the bug that caused emma's feeds to not display. Annoyed I didn't catch that. Sorry, emma.
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tantek
bret, GWG: USB Ethernet, HDMI to thunderbolt, VGA to mini display port, DVI to mini display port, VGA to lightning connector (for iPod 5 / iPhone 5)
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bret
tantek: lay all those out neatly and take a photo :)
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peat.org
created /WikiRedesign (+160) "Created page with "Repo at http://github.com/peat/wiki Todo: - Testing on current site with plugins - Activate navigation links in the header - Clean up timestamps in event feed""
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