#indiewebcamp 2014-06-30

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aaronpk i have to say, having two separate tvs, one for vga and one for displayport has been super great
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bnvk benwerd: hey there!
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brianjesse benwerd tantek which project was "hands down best demo"? "mind blown" would like to see that
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GWG aaronpk: Have you seen those portable USB monitors?
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aaronpk i do have a USB graphics card, but that would take longer to dig up and plug in
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benwerd bnvk: yo!
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jancborchardt I’m trying to set up Known on my server but have problems, keep seeing 500 error even though I cloned everything incl submodules: https://jancbdt.pictor.uberspace.de/known/ cc benwerd – not sure if the database stuff is correct, I installed Mongodb and all tho
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benwerd brianjesse: we watched a seven year old girl sync her website using ruby, then log into the wiki using relmeauth
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@anomalily Demos at #indiewebcamp PDX are really pretty exciting. Always cool to see what you can pull off in a few hours of dedicated work. (twitter.com/_/status/483400181782544385)
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brianjesse benwerd: awesome! thanks man - guess my 8 yr old needs to check this out
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benwerd jancborchardt: I'm sorry to heard that. Anything in your server logs? You can also use MySQL and local disk now if it's easier - see http://docs.withknown.com
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benwerd s/heard/hear
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Loqi benwerd meant to say: jancborchardt: I'm sorry to hear that. Anything in your server logs? You can also use MySQL and local disk now if it's easier - see http://docs.withknown.com
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bnvk benwerd: if you have some spare moments make a manifest for Known like https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/blob/master/indie.json :)
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benwerd bnvk: that's something for the plane perhaps :) thanks!
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bnvk word!
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benwerd "It kind of subverts indieweb itself by removing the need for you to own your own domain."
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bret ;)
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tantek benwerd - haha - tumblr is good indieweb "practice"
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tantek then when you get your own domain
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tantek you can map your tumblr to it!
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tantek yay beeminder!
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Loqi woot
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tantek rel-me support in beeminder and indieauth provider support!
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tantek yay for demos with pushups!!
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Loqi :D
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brianjesse tumblr web mentions that 's cool stuff
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benwerd I love this part so much. Always amazing to see what everyone's put together.
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GWG tantek: If owning your own domain is like buying a house...what is the equivalent of renting an apartment?
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@beemuvi Live from #indiewebcamp: global callback URL in account settings in addition to per-goal callback (handy, eg, for #exobrain) (twitter.com/_/status/483401668801736704)
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bret GWG: godaddy
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@beemuvi Also live from #indiewebcamp: indieauth supports @bmndr! Add your personal URL and it's shown on your gallery page as a rel=me link (twitter.com/_/status/483401706932170752)
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GWG bret: Hmm...
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tantek benwerd - agreed - super inspiring stuff
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jancborchardt benwerd: ah, this is the error: known/.htaccess: Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
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brianjesse will micropub make webmention obsolete?
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tantek brianjesse: webmention does not require any auth
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@jlsuttles Twofie photo shoot with @halorgium at #indiewebcamp today 🙆 https://twitter.com/jlsuttles/status/483402025946726400/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/483402025946726400)
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aaronpk nope! webmention for untrusted comments
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brianjesse aaronpk: but micropub has that feature I believe
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benwerd jancborchardt: Oh no! I'd just comment out the two php_value lines. I'll take a look at making that safer.
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mdik hi
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aaronpk micropub is for content, webmention for notifications
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jancborchardt benwerd: thanks! I can open an issue on github for teh record
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brianjesse aaronpk: if you receive a micro pub post and your'e not the author (when you validate the identity) - you can put it in a "mentions" bucket - is what i mean
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@bmndr RT @beemuvi: Live from #indiewebcamp: global callback URL in account settings in addition to per-goal callback (handy, eg, for #exobrain) (twitter.com/_/status/483402520136392704)
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aaronpk that'd be kind of like url-less webmentions, or direct comments
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j12t jancborchardt: are you missing mod_php?
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tantek benwerd: 👏
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brianjesse aaronpk: exactly - it makes me think of twitter's mentions stream -
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jancborchardt j12t: should be there, I’m running an ownCloud on the same server which works
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@bmndr RT @beemuvi: Also live from #indiewebcamp: indieauth supports @bmndr! Add your personal URL and it's shown on your gallery page as a rel=me… (twitter.com/_/status/483402702051766275)
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benwerd This is kind of like twitch.tv for the web
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benwerd jancborchardt: If you wouldn't mind adding an issue, that'd be awesome
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bret YouBrowser
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bret :D
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benwerd radical, radical transparency
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bret We need an indieweb wikipedia article
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bret tantek: who did you work with?
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benwerd tantek, who was working with you?
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tantek bret - mrfelix in Berline!
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tantek s/Berline/Berlin
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Loqi tantek meant to say: bret - mrfelix in Berlin!
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tantek async
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dreeves (I should've clarified that the tail -f I was showing was a dummy consumer of the callback, ie, data gets added to beeminder, it sends it off to a URL of your choice. so that's what my laptop was showing, just echoing what the callback sent)
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jancborchardt benwerd: done: https://github.com/idno/idno/issues/351 – will file more issues as I go through the installation
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jancborchardt benwerd: awesome work btw ;)
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bret sound issues!
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bret dead battery!
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peat haha
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crystal_ tantek: wow
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bret so cool!
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jancborchardt tantek: yeah, mrflix is an awesome frontender
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benwerd that's very cool :)
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caseorganic tantek: Aaron's phone battery died!!!
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caseorganic tantek: lol
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Loqi caseorganic: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 13 minutes ago: heads-up re: Cambridge, now that we're filling up, Sandro (who works at MIT) has volunteered that he can reserve a room for 40 people - 40 chairs and 9 tables at MIT for the curation of the Cambridge IndieWebCamp.
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caseorganic tantek: great demo!
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tantek the CSS was done by mrfelix in Berlin!
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tantek I just applied it to my markup
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peat make that an interface for the h-card directory.
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GWG Next time...I think someone should record these demos.
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caseorganic tantek: hmm, so we'd have indiewebcamp at MIT vs. Harvard Berkman center?
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tantek lol like 3 people txting me that aaronpk's phone died
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@anomalily Giant FaceTime at #indiewebcamp between west and easy https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/483404554445156352/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/483404554445156352)
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tantek caseorganic: it's an option to consider if we want to allow for a few more folks.
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caseorganic tantek: i think we should allow more folks
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tantek four MIT folks visited NYC this weekend for indiewebcamp and are super excited
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tantek one of whom works at MIT and can get space
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tantek all of them signed up for Cambridge
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tantek including two apprentices who got their own sites setup!!
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benwerd I'm going to have to head out for my flight in ~10 mins :(
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benwerd wants to be in open source portland-land forever
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tantek to folks in Portland - just want to make sure everyone knows Felix (mrfelix) got all the CSS working - I just assembled it onto a page on my site with the markup I had from before
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tantek s/mrfelix/mrflix
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Loqi tantek meant to say: to folks in Portland - just want to make sure everyone knows Felix (mrflix) got all the CSS working - I just assembled it onto a page on my site with the markup I had from before
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tantek cross collaboration from NYC & Berlin!
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smcgregor hastily thrown together post on my failure today http://seanbmcgregor.com/hacking-a-url-shortener-into-a-comment-system.html
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tantek crystal_: thanks!
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tantek were you guys actually able to see / hear me?
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aaronpk for a few seconds!
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tantek great demos Portland!!!
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jeremyzilar *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!*
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tantek 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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bret :D
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bret see ya
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brianjesse bret thanks for all the wiki updates
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rascul good job everybody!
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tantek was great to see everyone!
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@albertinerxtfor Greetings from #indiewebcamp NY at the @NYTimes http://werd.io/2014/greetings-from-indiewebcamp-ny-at-the-nytimes (twitter.com/_/status/483407596557463552)
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rascul the young lady, faire i think her name was? she created her web site herself?
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@edverillo Just read a bit of what happened at #IndieWeb #indiewebcamp, great work! Wish I could have participated more (twitter.com/_/status/483413350353993728)
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Rev_Illo good work!
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bnvk hah Rev_Illo: holdin down the late night Berlin crew!!!
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Rev_Illo I just had an espresso ;)
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bnvk nice
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Rev_Illo just a few more hours and I'm done with this list, fingers crossed
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GWG bnvk: Who was that on camera at Berlin earlier when I was on?
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bnvk GWG: ?
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bnvk Rev_Illo: good luck! Once you get a moment of breathing space- get your site up to IndieMark 1
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Rev_Illo for sure!
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bnvk GWG: I think you're meaning https://twitter.com/mrflix
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GWG bnvk: This was earlier. When I was on. Mr. Flix I thought came on after I dropped off video
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GWG When I was leaving, tantek was asking whoever was on the Berlin feed if he was around
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GWG I'm trying to associate names and faces
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GWG Annoyed I missed the afternoon video demos
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GWG I only got to see the texts in here
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bnvk Hrm, not sure!
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bnvk There was me, jancborchardt and mrflix
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GWG bnvk: I thought it was you
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@billywwells New Billy Wells Horror Book Trailer! https://www.youtube.com/ #horror #kindle #zombies #ebooks #scarystoriestime #amazon #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/483421321330581504)
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kylewm did i hear correctly that the new mediawiki theme based on zurb?
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Loqi kylewm: KartikPrabhu left you a message 3 hours, 31 minutes ago: snarfed: why did bridgy not pick up this tweet response (fav) https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/483362431746322435 for either https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia or https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/marginalia-demo ?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: ignore that
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: got it sorted?
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KartikPrabhu sort of. somehow to the article it went as a mention but to the note as a like... but that might just be me :)
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kylewm that sounds correct to me!
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kylewm or at least, as designed
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KartikPrabhu aah! cool
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@erinjo Great two days at IndieWeb Camp. Lots of fun to see the demos. (twitter.com/_/status/483428898000998401)
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@jlsuttles Thanks so much to the Portland #indiewebcamp organizers @aaronpk and @caseorganic. It was so great! 💖 (twitter.com/_/status/483432017653035008)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@bretolius RT @jlsuttles: Thanks so much to the Portland #indiewebcamp organizers @aaronpk and @caseorganic. It was so great! 💖 (twitter.com/_/status/483434643689967617)
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Loqi [mention] http://bavatuesdays.com/sun-setting-on-my-vacation/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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@musenz RT @jlsuttles: Thanks so much to the Portland #indiewebcamp organizers @aaronpk and @caseorganic. It was so great! 💖 (twitter.com/_/status/483435606572556289)
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GWG So, kylewm, what did I miss today?
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@benwerd So many thanks to @aaronpk, @caseorganic and everyone who came to #indiewebcamp PDX for another wonderful year. Can't wait til 2015. (twitter.com/_/status/483437879612297216)
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@_jden RT @jlsuttles: Thanks so much to the Portland #indiewebcamp organizers @aaronpk and @caseorganic. It was so great! 💖 (twitter.com/_/status/483441763365842945)
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kylewm GWG: lots of cool demos, i'm trying to get indiereader running on my laptop
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kylewm but i am apache and php illiterate
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GWG kylewm: I envy that, missing Day 2.
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GWG kylewm: Also, looks like more people in Portland.
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kylewm yes there were a ton of people in portland
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GWG Not that I didn't enjoy East
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kylewm you had to work today?
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GWG kylewm: Every Sunday, actually
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GWG I just got off an hour ago
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GWG And I have to go back in 8 hours
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kylewm :(
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GWG kylewm: Coincidence. The morning guy is on vacation. I have to fill in
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GWG I'm the night guy
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jden aaronpk: is indieauth using rel=pgpkey to resolve your pub key? are there any other things using that rel that you know of?
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jden reading the scrollback, looks like there were some great demos! good job, y'all
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@_jden IndieAuth signin via PGP is amazing. @aaronpk is on to something here. (twitter.com/_/status/483455768910258176)
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@_jden @BarnabyWalters hello sir. Your name came up multiple times at #indiewebcamp in a positive light, so thought I'd say hi! (twitter.com/_/status/483459085421916162)
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@_jden @waferbaby all the rel=me stuff is also useful for https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/483459864081874944)
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@jlsuttles RT @_jden: IndieAuth signin via PGP is amazing. @aaronpk is on to something here. (twitter.com/_/status/483465542100328449)
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@bretolius @edverillo We work the rest of the year in the #indiewebcamp freenode channel and on the http://indiewebcamp.com wiki. Come say hi! (twitter.com/_/status/483480939314429952)
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@bretolius RT @kartik_prabhu: demo-ed #marginalia #annotations on the #indieweb @indiewebcamp in NYC: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia Thanks to @t and @chloew… (twitter.com/_/status/483481388083998721)
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@bretolius RT @benwerd: Facebook tinkered with users’ feeds for a massive psychology experiment http://www.avclub.com/article/facebook-tinkered-users-feeds-massive-psychology-e-206324 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/483483346748469248)
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@edrex hmm... let's make a #micropub service for @camlistore @willnorris #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/483490866682527744)
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tantek nice capture benwerd: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/482961751256731648 :)
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@benwerd Greetings from #indiewebcamp NY at the @NYTimes https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/482961751256731648/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/482961751256731648)
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benwerd :)
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tantek it was really amazing seeing stuff going on both locally and at the other sites
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/bretolius/483480939314429952/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tantek and great in particular collaborating with mrflix in Berlin
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tantek heh
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jden just had slexton add rel=pgpkey to his homepage and sign in with indieauth :)
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@ckhonson http://indiewebcamp.com/ + #Camlistore is the new thing now, post-Facebook. Who wants to help build? Email's in profile. (twitter.com/_/status/483511814466965504)
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binbasti i just had a look at all of http://indiewebcamp.com/store
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binbasti frankly i'm a bit baffled
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binbasti this is exactly what the webapps wg is already working on
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binbasti if people are missing use cases in their requirements, please bring them forward on the webapps mailing list
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binbasti i don't see how it makes sense to deviate from anything that's currently being standardized there
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binbasti the whole idea is to allow for independent app stores etc
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cweiske the people here are somehow allergic to the w3 and working groups that produce no working code
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binbasti i'm part of that working group and i produce a ton of code. in fact i'm only there for giving feedback and seeing that it makes sense. my company built an html5 app store even before mozilla did. we just never launched it precisely because it makes no sense without vendor support and common standards
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binbasti i'll happily discuss our experience with that topic in detail. gotta leave now though :(
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binbasti just saying it'd be good if people joined the w3c's efforts instead of replicating their work in a slightly different way (even basing it on their specs initially)
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binbasti it will at least be used by mozilla and a few others
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binbasti meaning all the indiephone etc vendors could/would be compatible with ffos etc., and using common web standards
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@domenicoperri #USERMEDIA domenicoperri starred mrflix/indieweb-contact https://github.com/mrflix/indieweb-contact?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter #S42AT #invispide (twitter.com/_/status/483524115442049024)
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cweiske can someone who attended the private conversations talk explain how my feed reader authenticates on the another ones's website so it sees the private messages for me?
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@kartik_prabhu Bye @indiewebcamp #NYC Thanks David, Alex, Happy, @sandhawke @therealdeiu @bear @jeremyzilar @t @chloeweil (https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/IWC-bye) (twitter.com/_/status/483545512566480896)
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jden i made an indier webfist: http://indiefinger.org/.well-known/webfinger?resource=http://jden.us
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cweiske I only get application errors
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jden cweiske: should be fixed
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cweiske it'd be nice if you absolutized relative URLs
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cweiske http://indiefinger.org/?resource=http://cweiske.de/
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cweiske rel: "meta",
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cweiske href: "cweiske.rdf"
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cweiske },
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jden ooh, good idea. feel free to add comments to https://github.com/jden/node-indiefinger/issues/1
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jden i'm off to bed for now
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@mmmuks @jancborchardt @galfert @xMartin @mrflix @skddc @chmac @danimo How was #indiewebcamp ? I didn't make it in the end.. (twitter.com/_/status/483569036610256896)
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@iand Tantek Celik, "Why We Need the IndieWeb" https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/483572520436502528)
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@jalbertbowdenii RT @iand: Tantek Celik, "Why We Need the IndieWeb" https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/483574214474338304)
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@jancborchardt @mmmuks @galfert @xMartin @mrflix @skddc @chmac @danimo went really well, got lots of stuff done. :) See #indiewebcamp and #indieweb tweets. (twitter.com/_/status/483576709883912192)
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@billywwells New Billy Wells Horror Book Trailer! https://www.youtube.com/ #horror #kindle #zombies #ebooks #scarystoriestime #amazon #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/483580813762494464)
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jancborchardt binbasti: we used the W3C stuff as base for the manifest: http://w3c.github.io/manifest/
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jancborchardt binbasti: the point on what we worked on though is also the whole setup process – installing Mailpile or ownCloud in one click, provisioning etc
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jancborchardt binbasti: it’s not only for HTML5 apps, but basically only for open source self hostable apps.
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jancborchardt binbasti: kind of like http://libreprojects.net, but for your own server and with install buttons
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jancborchardt cc bnvk ^
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@TLCKids4915 Remember to tweet a pic of you holding up your fave book cover to promote indie authors all day TOMORROW! #indieweb #RaveReviewsBookClub (twitter.com/_/status/483590019803021313)
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cweiske can someone who attended the private conversations talk explain how my feed reader authenticates on the another ones's website so it sees the private messages for me?
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tommorris Bye bye, Orkut.
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 6/29 at 3:04pm: snarfed: why did bridgy not pick up this tweet response (fav) https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/483362431746322435 for either https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia or https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/marginalia-demo ?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kartik_prabhu/483117268230877184/483624451188457473 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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kylewm tantek: good morning! i added screenshots for this discussion per your sugggestion http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Design_Elements
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tantek good morning kylewm! Thank you!
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tantek kylewm - did you ask Glenn if it was ok to keep the screenshot or not?
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tantek kylewm - keep a local copy of the screenshot
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tantek when you confirm that then I or another admin can delete
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tantek I may go offline soon - boarded flight.
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kylewm noo, I didn't ask permission on any of the screenshots
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tantek kylewm - I'm saying save the screenshots, *do* ask permission, (Glenn will likely grant it) and then go ahead and re-upload with note about permission received (and citation or personal note)
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tantek p.s. SF - Homebrew Website Club is back @MozSF this week!!!
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tantek indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club
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tantek :)
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tantek !tell benwerd, snarfed, kevinmarks, kylewm, benward, chrissaad, hober, andicascadesf hope you can make it this Wednesday evening @MozSF! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 13 minutes ago: hope you can make it this Wednesday evening @MozSF! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club
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glennjones kylewm happy for you to use screenshot - for future ref my blog has Creative Commons NonCommercial 3.0 License for content and MIT License for code
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kylewm glennjones: thanks very much!
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 19 minutes ago: hope you can make it this Wednesday evening @MozSF! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk goooood morning!
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kylewm good morning aaronpk :) hey i just micropublished my first note from indie reader!
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aaronpk wooo! wow
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aaronpk you beat me to it!
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kylewm super impressive that that worked without troubleshooting!
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JonathanNeal Has anyone here used the CC0 license much?
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kylewm lol
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kylewm Tantek is the expert JonathanNeal
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah that's pretty amazing, i'm glad it's so simple!!
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kylewm JonathanNeal: see http://indiewebcamp.com/licensing#Public_Domain
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KartikPrabhu morning aaronpk
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JonathanNeal That’s great, kylewm, thanks.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: did you see the marginalia working UI?
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: Possibly, I saw what appeared to be an early demo. Same link as before? I can go back and look at it again.
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KartikPrabhu yup :)
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KartikPrabhu let me know what you think
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KartikPrabhu will write up a "read me" for the javascript tonight
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: did you understand the bug I found for the second through last instance of a fragmention?
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aaronpk huh, I don't even know where to start with this https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/61
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: haven't looked a the detailed bug but I get what you mean... are the bug cases on the github?
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JonathanNeal Oh, this new version looks great with the comment sprite.
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JonathanNeal I do not initially like that comments are duplicated in the marginalia and the bottom.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: :) thanks... yes, that was an experiment and based on feedback at the IWC I am planning to "move" instead of "copy"
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JonathanNeal Nifty.
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KartikPrabhu :) alrighty lunch time in Chicago
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@benwerd Rushing the street: building our #indieweb business http://werd.io/2014/rushing-the-street-building-our-indieweb-business (twitter.com/_/status/483654796499378176)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/rushing-the-street-building-our-indieweb-business linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (webmention)
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@bear RT @benwerd: Rushing the street: building our #indieweb business http://werd.io/2014/rushing-the-street-building-our-indieweb-business (twitter.com/_/status/483655163128082432)
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aaronpk !tell tantek this is what the facetime call looked liked from our office! https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/14351923400/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk yikes, too big photo
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bret side death! http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/30/1543259/google-kills-orkut-to-focus-on-youtube-blogger-and-google?utm_source=atom1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
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aaronpk whoaaa orkut??
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aaronpk isn't that still huge in brazil?
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bret http://en.blog.orkut.com/2014/06/tchau-orkut.html
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bret "Bad news for Brazillians. Google's first social network, Orkut, will be shut down at the end of September."
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dreeves fun fact: bethany and i met on orkut
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bret "People can export their profile data, community posts and photos using Google Takeout (available until September 2016). Starting today, it will not be possible to create a new Orkut account."
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 15 minutes ago: hope you can make it this Wednesday evening @MozSF! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club
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@nicolas2fr RT @t: Thanks @mrflix for figuring out CSS for an #indieweb People Focused Mobile Communication! Screenshot & source: http://tantek.com/2014/180/t2/css-indieweb-people-focused-communication (twitter.com/_/status/483659454509240320)
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snarfed !tell tantek welcome back! i'll be there, can't wait to hear an iwc recap!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk wow that's this week already?
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@gRegorLove IndieWaffleTacoCamp #indieweb https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/483660039207403521/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/483660039207403521)
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aaronpk what a fine looking bunch of people
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KartikPrabhu ooo there's me in the background of the facetime call :P
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shaners aaronpk: we did real good on photos this year!
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aaronpk we did! thanks for the help!
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KartikPrabhu man PDX people did some serious posing! We just stood there in NYC :P
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@veganstraightedge #indiewebcamp 2014 photos. Great times! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014#West_Photos (twitter.com/_/status/483665560492703744)
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shaners KartikPrabhu and those are even the posiest of them
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KartikPrabhu ha! out up the posiestest ones...
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shaners talk to aaronpk about that
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aaronpk i'm about to post this to instagram, but don't post it to twitter until I syndicate it properly
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@aaronpk Here's the day 2 photo from #indiewebcamp west! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/483670849723977729/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/483670849723977729)
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@jlsuttles RT @aaronpk: Here's the day 2 photo from #indiewebcamp west! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/483670849723977729/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/483670947367370752)
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bret !tell gRegor` btw thanks for being such an awesome note taker this weekend! really great notes from the sessions you were at
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk now begins the task of creating wiki pages for all the sessions and copying the etherpad notes into them!
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aaronpk they're all linked up already if anyone wants to jump in :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Schedule##Saturday
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aaronpk !tell benwerd can you tell me what sort of string encoding settings you have in your php and mysql that didn't crash on my emoji post?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk might be time to get our own etherpad install
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@wraithgar Reminder that @Mike_Speegle wrote an indieweb polemic and then @lanihendy wrote this song for it http://alanahenderson.bandcamp.com/track/legacy (twitter.com/_/status/483684786343391232)
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bear @aaronpk or use something like ward's federated wiki to build an indieweb version?
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bear hmm, not sure how that would work - but it sure sounded good in my head
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@adambrault If you <3 #indieweb, you'll <3 @mike_speegle's Something Greater Than Artifice. (Even independent reviewers agree!) https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/mike-speegle/something-greater-than-artifice/ (twitter.com/_/status/483685399236079616)
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@Mike_Speegle RT @adambrault: If you <3 #indieweb, you'll <3 @mike_speegle's Something Greater Than Artifice. (Even independent reviewers agree!) https:/… (twitter.com/_/status/483685951320104961)
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@Mike_Speegle RT @wraithgar: Reminder that @Mike_Speegle wrote an indieweb polemic and then @lanihendy wrote this song for it http://alanahenderson.bandcamp.com/track/legacy (twitter.com/_/status/483685979157712896)
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@sarahjbray RT @adambrault: If you <3 #indieweb, you'll <3 @mike_speegle's Something Greater Than Artifice. (Even independent reviewers agree!) https:/… (twitter.com/_/status/483686028918534146)
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aaronpk i haven't seen any other realtime editing thing that works like etherpad
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bear neither have I that is self hosting
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aaronpk the only thing that's close is socrates.io but they actually explicitly say that it's not suitable for multi-user editing
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bear I did some looking earlier last week to see if there was a js lib implementation of OT - but didn't find any that implement the same as Etherpad (or Wave) did
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bear some implement a variant of it
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aaronpk that seems like code I really don't want to write :)
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aaronpk etherpad isn't bad, i'll just install it on etherpad.indiewebcamp.com or something
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bear the diff-match-patch version that Google has in it's OSS repo could work
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bear https://code.google.com/p/google-diff-match-patch/
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bear you may want to see if you can get some "how to run" tips from the Moz folks - I know they have had issues keeping the thing running in the past
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aaronpk they're running the previous version, the new one was rewritten in node
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aaronpk i've been running it on an esripdx server for the past several months without much hassle
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bear ohh
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bear I thought it was all Java
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aaronpk used to be
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bear oh heck, that changes everything
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aaronpk yeah I didn't want to even try running the java version. the node one is easy tho
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JonPincus sorry i missed the demos yesterday afternoon ... seems like some great stuff!
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@amblin @glyph Help make it happen. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/483695548286140416)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/glyph/status/483694476431351808
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@glyph I had almost forgotten that I really wanted a decentralized social media platform until hashtag worldcup happened. Please make it stop. (twitter.com/_/status/483694476431351808)
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aaronpk we have that, it's called the "Web" :D
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bear :)
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@gasull @jldevicente ¿No es más pragmático promover la Indie Web en lugar de quejarnos a nuestros data lords? http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/483696113929945088)
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aaronpk http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/test
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aaronpk it's not super stable right now but it'll be up mostly
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aaronpk i'll fix it up to start if it crashes later
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bret ohhhh purrddy
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bret is hackpad a fork of etherpad?
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aaronpk "Hackpad has been acquired by Dropbox."
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bret s/Dropbox/Condie
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bret Knight news challenge winners: http://www.knightfoundation.org/press-room/press-release/knight-news-challenge-awards-34-million-ideas-stre/
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@nobantu #IIW 18 link to HigherR es Book Of Proceedings http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/assets/proceedings/IIWXVIII_Book_of_Proceedings.pdf Notes compiled, w/TableOfContents Photos&More #Identity #VRM #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/483705827899887617)
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@nobantu #IIW 18 Link to Higher Res Book Of Proceedings http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/assets/proceedings/IIWXVIII_Book_of_Proceedings.pdf Notes compiled, w/TableOfContents Photos&More #Identity #VRM #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/483707369608597505)
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JonPincus hackpad was built on etherpad but alas didn't share their improvements
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aaronpk neat
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/RWW/status/483725919983382528
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@RWW Running your own Web server is the ultimate mark of online independence—and it only need cost you $35 http://readwrite.com/2014/06/27/raspberry-pi-web-server-website-hosting (twitter.com/_/status/483725919983382528)
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peat Does anyone have a link to the notes for the New York demos from yesterday? :)
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bear @peat not sure about notes - but this is when they started in the logs: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-29/line/1404073671
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bear all prefixed with NYC:
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peat Awesome, thanks.
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 5 hours, 50 minutes ago: this is what the facetime call looked liked from our office! https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/14351923400/
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 5 hours, 35 minutes ago: welcome back! i'll be there, can't wait to hear an iwc recap!
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tantek aaronpk - awesome! that's KartikPrabhu in the background btw :)
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KartikPrabhu :D
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tantek who gave an amazing marginalia demo. works on mobile and everything.
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bret i want it so bad!
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GWG Hello
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bret hey GWG
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KartikPrabhu bret: what you wants?
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bret i want to implement that!
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bret i need to get a few other things in place first
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GWG I am disappointed I missed Sunday
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bret :( wha happen?
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GWG bret: I had to work
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KartikPrabhu bret: i will put the read-me and license on my marginalia.js tonight :)
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bret KartikPrabhu its going to be a while, take your time
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tantek !tell cweiske in conversation earlier today with binbasti you said "people here are somehow allergic to the w3 and working groups that produce no working code" - I don't think that is a fair generalization, nor is it reasonable to paint everyone with that brush. If you have specific concerns about specific specs/people, please raise them directly with them.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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JonathanNeal HTML-ish question, what is the proper way to markup inline comments? <p>Content</p><aside> ? <blockquote> ?
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tantek !tell binbasti I'd like to see the /store effort follow webapps wg manifest as well.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek JonathanNeal: how "inline" do you mean?
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tantek I think /comment says how to markup
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tantek why is inline any different?
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aaronpk I haven't really been following the /store development, but why is it re-creating things?
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: I have been working on fragmention.js today to make marginalia easier to implement. tantek: i am referring to the context of block level notes, say, appended after a paragraph.
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tantek aaronpk - maybe because bnvk, j12t are distracted by the shiny of proprietary app stores? it's why I added the link about Firefox Marketplace and manifest already enabling open app stores.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: awesome! I'll surely update the current code with improved fragmentions :)
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JonathanNeal Thanks tantek, I’ll look at that. I wasn’t sure if it would change when it is appended within the original article itself.
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tantek aaronpk - I'm not too worried about it - when they get closer to building stuff for /store on their own sites I'm sure we'll see convergence / re-use, because it's easier to do so.
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tantek JonathanNeal: if you have a specific use case that you think is special/different (sample URL) that you're wondering about, we can take a look at it.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: also is there a misconception that the indiewb wiki is attempting alternative specs, where as I think of it more as documenting use-cases and solutions, regardless of whether they match w3c or not...?
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bnvk tantek: distracted? who is j12t?
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bnvk tantek: also, i'm completely implementing based on the w3c / FF open standard
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bnvk so i'm bit at a loss what you're talking about
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I'm not sure - nor worried about it. If you see a specific citation of such misconception we can investigate.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that being said, #indiewebcamp has a *very* different methodology for documentation, specs, etc. than WHATWG, W3C, IETF etc.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I was wondering if that was the case with the /store comment by binbasti
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bnvk what is this /store comment by binbasti?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: most of the /store page seems to talk about proprietary mobile app stores as an example
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tantek bnvk - see logs from earlier this morning
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bnvk argh
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tantek bnvk - you and I discussed this perhaps a few weeks ago
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JonathanNeal tantek: the use case is https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia, which currently appends the notes as elements within the paragraph. While this works, it is not valid per say.
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KartikPrabhu bnvk: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-30/line/1404113660 linky
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tantek when I asked if you'd heard of FirefoxOS Marketplace etc. and you'd said no - so I added references to the /store page
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/bretolius/483480939314429952/9498942 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tantek since FFOS is an example of shipping open app stores
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: oh! is <ol> in a <p> invalid ?
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tantek JonathanNeal: what's not valid?
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tantek oh is this the no blocks inside <p> problem?
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tantek yeah that's a lame leftover from HTML
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bnvk ...
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tantek all the stupid embedding rules in HTML - so much legacy crap that serves no one
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tantek what you can/cannot put where
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KartikPrabhu didn't realise that "no blocks in <p>" was a thing. it seemed to work everywhere
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: it works because you’re messing with the DOM, which does not have the same restrictions as HTML.
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tantek j12t is Johannes
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tantek !tell binbasti does your personal site have a manifest that allows it to be installed as a webapp?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: yes, that's what I guessed. would be nice if marginalia had valid HTML :P
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JonathanNeal It is, admittedly, confusing. But were you to create a new document that had <p>Hello <ul><li>World</li></ul></p> it would be rendered as <p>Hello </p><ul><li>World</li></ul><p></p> in all browsers.
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tantek to fix HTML for this we basically just need to define new "inline" versions of lists etc. and then we can just stick to always using those.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: oh poop! Will update the code if/when we can comeup with a "valid" HTML then
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bnvk !tell binbasti my efforts with the /store are NOT relating to client side app stores, webapp !== client side (html5 + js) only apps, I'm not focusing on server side apps that are installed on hardware that is available to the web- think an open source cPannel for self hosting. Look at the platforms and "Platforms" documented on the page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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JonathanNeal Or, comments could come after a paragraph, not within it at the end.
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JonathanNeal <p>Content</p><x>Comment</x> with <x> being the markup I’m asking about.
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KartikPrabhu yes... but then relating them to the paragraph for styling is trickier... will look into it. thanks for pointing that out JonathanNeal
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bnvk tantek: I don't recall conversing with you on this a few weeks ago, a month or two ago, yes
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KartikPrabhu tantek: inline list as in <iol> <iul> with <ili> ;)
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tantek bnvk - that's possible :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: something like that. I'd like to just use a lowercase L but that would look too much like an uppercase I. <l>
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bnvk tantek: do you mean, the clear declaration of "server" vs. "client" ?
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tantek no I think it was after that
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bnvk so, what was it about then?
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tantek see history of /store when I added the Firefox devmo link about manifest
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tantek and then check IRC logs for that day
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KartikPrabhu tantek: somehow I feel list should only be saying that there is a list of things, inline or not who cares, except for some CSS...
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tantek my point was that it looked like no one working on /store was aware that there already was a *shipping* open "app store" implementation, spec etc.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: exactly
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bnvk tantek: what's the actual gripe / concern? I'm implementing based on the standard.
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tantek HTML is like that only because SGML folks confused it with such rules.
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tantek bnvk - at this point I don't think there is any in particular with the folks *building* store stuff like yourself.
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tantek bnvk - my concern was binbasti's misunderstanding (as he noted in IRC earlier today)
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bnvk ah ok, ok, I see :)
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tantek bnvk - and then cweiske's what I thought was unhelpful remark (which is why I !tell him right away challenging him on it)
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tantek the "allergic" thing
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tantek that's part of our code-of-conduct - if you see someone saying something that you feel is "off", talk to them directly about it and try to resolve that way first if you don't mind.
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tantek bnvk - btw sorry to bring this up as a subject - that was not my intent
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bnvk what was cweiske's remark? was that in the log today?
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tantek my intent was
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tantek bnvk - yes
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tantek bnvk - great job with IndieWebCamp Berlin
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bnvk looks
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tantek looked like lots of excited productive people
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tantek aaronpk - whoa - separate etherpad install? cool!
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tantek I have no problems with that - what happened with using Mozilla's that made you think it was worth setting up?
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bnvk tantek: I see I see :)
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aaronpk nothing wrong with mozilla's, I just feel that since we're making extensive use of it now it seems a little redundant to have to explain "prefix all pad names with 'indieweb'"
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tantek bnvk - were you able to take photos of IndieWebCamp Berlin like we did in East and West?
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aaronpk hopefully also this URL will be easier to remember
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tantek aaronpk - oh! that makes sense
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aaronpk I also have an "all pads" plugin that can generate a list of all pads created, which may be useful
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tantek (even slightly) more usable URLs - I like it
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tantek good thinking
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bnvk tantek: I don't have a good massive group one because some people showed up late, others left early, and some variation in people showed up each days- but I'm organizing my pics. Was offline / traveling most of today
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aaronpk oo can't wait to see pics!
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tantek bnvk - even a collection of pics would be great!
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tantek I thought I saw like 10-15 people in the room in Berlin
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tantek from the Talky
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bnvk yep, will be uploading somewhere soon
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bret bnvk++ for organizing berlin!
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Loqi bnvk has 7 karma
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tantek bnvk++ for leading IndieWebCamp Berlin!
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KartikPrabhu bnvk++ Berlin!
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Loqi dude
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bnvk there was about 15 unique people in total :)
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tantek haha Loqi overload
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aaronpk also I uploaded my photos here! https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/sets/72157645005699288/
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tantek bnvk - we have found that group photo before / after lunch works well
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tantek right aaronpk?
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aaronpk and yes I realize the irony of a flickr album for those :)
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tantek because people show up for the sponsored lunch ;)
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bnvk yah- I shoulda done that!
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bret lol
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tantek ooh I like the new Flickr icons for EXIF info
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bret we had a few additonal peeps show up this year
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tantek that's some material for indie photo posts UI!
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tantek bret - what does that mean? randoms?
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aaronpk tantek: yes the photo before lunch was great
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bret no wiki sign ups
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tantek bret - apprentices?
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aaronpk right after the last session before lunch I gathered everyone and did a group photo, then we all walked to the food carts to lunch
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bret not sure
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bret aaronpk did we note who was there that wasnt signed up?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: multiple reply URLs in Quill ?
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bret might do some head counting later on
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bret from photos/notes
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: hmm good question. actually multiple values of the same field in general is kind of an issue
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bret the hack day was way fun
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mrflix was there a sponsored lunch in berlin? damn, missed it ;-)
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aaronpk for tags, just do comma-separated
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KartikPrabhu mrflix++ good job on the communication CSS :)
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Loqi mrflix has 3 karma
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bnvk mrflix: nah, there was a sponsored dinner, which you missed
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bnvk who made http://indiefinger.org/ ?
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bret jden!
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tantek bnvk - no idea
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bnvk who is jden ? this community is growing too fast :P
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tantek didn't know anyone was still building anything with webfinger
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jden hey bret :)
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tantek I don't get what it is proxying to / from
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aaronpk who is jden?
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tantek welcome jden! (you've been here a while right?)
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jden http://jden.us
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aaronpk jden: add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people page !
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bret jden is an all around cool dude who came to iwc this year :)
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bnvk in PDX?
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bret ya
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bnvk jden: isn't Chattanooga where they have municipal internet?
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bret and a killer library
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jden bnvk: yep
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jden also true
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bnvk sweet
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kylewm and Aquarium
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bret lol
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bnvk and a classic jazz tune
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/chloeweil/483748813270560769/483751370701295616 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014#East_Photos (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/chloeweil/483748813270560769/483751636309794818 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014#East_Photos (webmention)
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bret jden, ngoldman and I started looking at gitpub a little more yesterday. I didnt get much furthur on it since i dont work very well when im distracted but we are looking to clean it up. lemmi know if that is something you would want yourself
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bret we might switch to using hapi instead of express
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kylewm aaronpk: this photo is amazing. https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/14351827157/in/set-72157645005699288/
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jden no real preferences between those on my end, bret. i haven't had a chance to poke around yet
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bret im going to try to clean it up over the week so its not such a pile of code
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aaronpk wow got a bizarre error message from flickr: "Description: Unable to locate the server named "notfound.yahoo.com" --- the server does not have a DNS entry. Perhaps there is a misspelling in the server name, or the server no longer exists. Double-check the name and try again."
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ngoldman bret: would like to help, time is the current constraint -- might have free time when I'm on the road next week
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bret but jden++ for getting start on those projects!
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aaronpk kylewm: yes that is an awesome photo!
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ngoldman bret: what do you mean "that is something you would want yourself" ?
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bret like interested in using yourself
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jden tantek: will you be at homebrew web on wednesday in sf?
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ngoldman bret: yes definitely. i plan on using it.
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bret (to jden)
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aaronpk peat: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=10
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ngoldman oh
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jden bret: ??
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ngoldman bret: lol that makes more sense
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bret lol nm confusing ahh
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bnvk !tell binbasti hopefully we can link up in real time and chat stores and stuff- I'm a big fan of what you did with 5 Apps
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tantek jden definitely :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jden tantek: cool! i plan on being there
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Loqi [mention] http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/3393 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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ngoldman jden: we started cleaning up gitpub (https://github.com/bcomnes/gitpub) sunday, trying to abstract to the point that it would be useful for any statically generated site hosted on gh-pages. would basically act as a micropub endpoint you could self-host
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tantek jden - great!
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bret jden not sure if you saw this: http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/ it does rels + µF
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jden ah cool. i had seen the microformat-node parser
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aaronpk do most people who edit the wiki regularly use the full-page edit link or section edit links?
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bret I use both
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bret i have noticed that things fall outside the section edits
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aaronpk the new skin currently has the wiki tools (edit, move, watch, etc) under a dropdown menu
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: mostly section, but full page if I want to copy some wiki code
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bret can we move JUST edit outside that menu?
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bear (what KartikPrabhu just said)
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bret or make the drop down menu clickable to go directly to edit?
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bret like when i hover the edit button the rest show up
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aaronpk heh that'd be a neat hack
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bnvk here is the result of the /Store hacking yesterday http://apps.indiewebify.me/
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bret cool bnvk!
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bnvk the data for the apps are being pulled from different manifest on each projects repos and compiled into static pages
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snarfed jden: indiefinger is cool!
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snarfed you could even add facebook and twitter url/email addr support by integrating with https://github.com/snarfed/webfinger-unofficial
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snarfed happy to help if you're interested
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jden snarfed: let me take a look at it - i'm definitely gonna need help. i'm building indiefinger mostly as a tool to support addressing and discovery for http://rel.is
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bnvk here's the code with a readme example of indie.json manifest if any of you are so inclined to make one for your app :) https://github.com/brennannovak/indie-app-store
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bret snarfed how did you learn to program/software engineer?
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snarfed bret: oh man, can't remember
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snarfed my dad worked in tech so we always had computers around. some random classes, some self taught i guess
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tantek to the folks who worked on the wiki-reskinning - how often do you yourselves edit the wiki?
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tantek (assuming there are any of them active in IRC!)
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snarfed jden: basic integration should be easy, just detect facebook.com/twitter.com and 301 redirect them to the same path at https://facebook-webfinger.appspot.com/ or https://twitter-webfinger.appspot.com/
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jden could you open an issue on https://github.com/jden/node-indiefinger/issues
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tantek jden - how do you use webfinger yourself with / on your own site? like what use-cases is it solving for you personally?
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jden tantek: most recently (in the past 20 minutes) looking up my friends' yo usernames on their sites
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tantek seriously? you have friends who *both* use "yo" and webfinger?!?
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tantek I would have guessed that intersection to be the empty set!
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tantek ;)
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jden no, that's the thing - they don't use webfinger
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jden no one uses webfinger
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jden but i can talk them into adding a rel=me yo link to their page
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jden indieyo actually decreases the use of webfinger
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jden on publishers' parts
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jden er, indiefinger, not indieyo
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tantek oh is indiefinger for webfinger consumers?
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jden yeah. that's the proxy/fallback part, is it first looks to see if the publisher has webfinger. if they do, it passes through the request, otherwise it just builds the request from http/html links
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jden s/builds the request/builds the response
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Loqi jden meant to say: yeah. that's the proxy/fallback part, is it first looks to see if the publisher has webfinger. if they do, it passes through the request, otherwise it just builds the response from http/html links
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "IndieMark - IndieWebCamp" http://www.reading.am/p/393k/https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (twitter.com/_/status/483758219320647682)
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KartikPrabhu hmm "WebFinger is a protocol specified by the IETF that allows for discovery of information about people and things identified by a URI. Wikipedia" if I am reading this correctly, it is same function as rel=me ... ?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: it works with email addrs too. (that's arguably the more common case.) it doesn't assume you have a web page
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yeah - there's a lot of unnecessary reinvention going on in webfinger
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snarfed it was inspired by the finger cmd' on old timesharing systems
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tantek at least the naming was
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jden for email addresses, i fall back to http://domain.com/~user to look for rel links
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: as in? suppose I only have an email how does webfinger do anything?
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snarfed tantek: s/there's/there was/ (it's not really that active now)…but otherwise yes
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: This would be the HTML markup for inline comments that come immediately after whatever blocking element they are comments of, like a paragraph. https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/cf8ea5ff0cafd72e3688
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tantek snarfed, yeah, when it got started, I gave that feedback and then backed away because the response was "please join our mailing list!" - and I was like haha, no just go do your homework before you reinvent too much.
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: you query the webfinger server at the email addr's domain, and it responds with info
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tantek nevermind all the .well-known nonsense
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: what other info? If I already know the email addr?
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JonathanNeal I was hoping http://indiewebcamp.com/comments would have a literal code example so I could also add the proper microformats.
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: lots of other info. profile urls, picture, etc
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: my site uses the mf2 stuff for comments.
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snarfed (don't make me tell you to rtfm! :P)
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tantek JonathanNeal: when posting a reply on your own site? or when showing comments on one of your posts?
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JonathanNeal When showing comments, ie marginalia.
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tantek snarfed - all that lots of other info. profile urls, picture, etc was already in hCard
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: for marginalia I am not changing any markup that the content page author hasn't used already. Just moving <li> to a new <ol>
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there was no real world use case for webfinger to exist
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tantek it was developed for the imaginary "other users"
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snarfed tantek: sure. i'm not defending, just describing
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tantek it failed both the scratchyouownitch test and the selfdogfood test
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tantek nevermind the "let's create a new one-off email list for this one spec!" anti-pattern
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: link to the fm :P I couldn't find any good description on the Googs
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tantek KartikPrabhu: for today's web, webfinger is suitably ignorable
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: really? https://code.google.com/p/webfinger/ is the first result and is pretty useful
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snarfed anyway. i'll back away slowly now :P
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: oh hmm ok my bad... I usually ignore code.google for some reason
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tantek KartikPrabhu: because usually it indicates a dead-end - ignored projects
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tantek since the popular thing to do is to migrate to github
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes! :)
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tantek (not saying that's a good thing, but that is the behavior I'm seeing)
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KartikPrabhu oh! the server has to run some sort of webfinger-ness hmm ok :P
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's something more complicated invented by people who thought HTML was too complicated
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tantek (also a common antipattern among many web technologists)
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KartikPrabhu hmm i guess I have beaten the dead-webfinger-horse enough :P back to marginalia stuff :)
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tantek aaronpk - I like this photo of you and me: https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/483404554445156352
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@anomalily Giant FaceTime at #indiewebcamp between west and easy https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/483404554445156352/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/483404554445156352)
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tantek brianloveswords: sorry to miss you this weekend in NYC!
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tantek !tell benwerd really hoping you can make it Wednesday night to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-02-homebrew-website-club and perhaps even make an IndieEvent and POSSE to FB Event as well? Thank you in advance!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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