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# 04:19 kylewm snarfed: microformats police showing up at your place, your u-syndications are not parsing the way i want them to
# 04:35 snarfed ah yeah. i guess u-syndication has to be an <a> ?
# 04:37 kylewm snarfed: is that generated by a plugin these days?
# 04:37 snarfed yeah, a plugin, but i wrote that part of it, so still my fault :P
# 04:40 kylewm I do wish it were easier to put that stuff outside of the e-content in wordpress :/
# 04:43 GWG I added a placement position in the template
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# 06:57 acegiak weird, I assumed that the mobile age had killed the client cause it didn't allow for push messaging
# 06:58 cweiske I use it at home, and at work - at work we use it within the company and even to talk with larger customers and other agencies
# 06:58 bear we also use it for internal and customer/client work
# 06:59 cweiske one company we work with uses hipchat, but they offer an xmpp gateway
# 07:00 cweiske I(<0.1505.24>:ejabberd_s2s_out:235) : s2s connection: cweiske.de -> machinespirit.net (remote server not found)
# 07:07 acegiak my firewall's not going while I'm setting things up so that's not it...
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# 07:08 bear yea, that will tell you if your server is configured securely and also, indirectly, that it's responding
# 07:09 acegiak ok I'll have to have a look after I get back from dinenr
# 07:09 bear Ping failed (remote-server-not-found): Server-to-server connection failed: DNS resolution failed
# 07:09 bear your dns may not be fully distributed
# 07:09 bear ^^ that's what the prosody channel's bot returned
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# 07:55 aaronpk you've seen youtube's syntax for linking to a timestamp within a video yea?
# 07:57 aaronpk youtube also does a pretty good job of video annotations
# 08:02 aaronpk does the video have its own permalink? or is that the permalink for the video?
# 08:03 KartikPrabhu aaronpk: not a permalink that is linked anywhere findable excpet maybe in the source
# 08:05 KartikPrabhu aaronpk: so any t=34 parameter would atumatically refer to the video as a convention ?
# 08:07 KartikPrabhu aaronpk: btw that link has very nicely done profiles of all the Fields medal winning mathematicians for this year. if you are interested in that sort of obscure thing
# 08:07 aaronpk maybe that links is actually a video that happens to have a really long description
# 08:07 aaronpk i mean it's not like you link directly to an mp4 file on youtube. you're still linking to an HTML page that may even contain a description of the video
# 08:08 KartikPrabhu aaronpk: it is not. It is definitely an article with a video. each of them can stand on their own as separate things
# 08:09 aaronpk my point is that both that post and youtube links are HTML pages that embed a video player and also have additional text
# 08:09 KartikPrabhu side rant: mathematicians using Comic Sans in slides... judas priest!
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# 08:13 KartikPrabhu i suppose in an ideal world the article h-entry would have a e-video or somethign and the fragmention would just default to the first u-video
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# 09:35 barnabywalters can you try to get indiewebcamp added to the brighton digital festival event listing?
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# 09:49 ShaneHudson Getting over my hangover and trying to get some work done haha :) yourself?
# 09:49 KartikPrabhu getting over my lack of sleep and trying to get some work done... so similar ;
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# 09:59 KartikPrabhu adactio: how is IWC Brighton going? concerned about all the folks discouraged by the "categories" on the event page
# 10:01 adactio KartikPrabhu: now that it's been edited to be "have website? want website?" it will hopefully be a bit friendlier.
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# 10:09 KartikPrabhu I think it might be useful to have event organisers, tailor the page to their audience?
# 10:20 ShaneHudson Yeah, I don't know about the US but I know I would feel vaugely annoyed if I were called say 'apprentice' instead of 'creator'.
# 10:21 ShaneHudson A lot of places have stopped having 'senior developer' and 'junior developer' for similar reasons.
# 10:22 KartikPrabhu yeah. I shouldn't really go with my irreverent attitude towards labels
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# 10:53 jonnybarnes does anyone know if its possible in git to create an annotated tag, and then sign it
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# 11:00 jonnybarnes barnabywalters: I'd figured it might be something to do with the -f option
# 11:00 jonnybarnes I'm currently battling with gpg-agent not working properly, I get error messages for pinentry-ncurses at the moment
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# 13:43 jonnybarnes Is this "legit" markup for a reply, trying to get my head aroung the authorship algorithm
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# 13:44 jonnybarnes i.e. in the case should one expect to find a h-card on joebloggs.com or wherever the header link goes to
# 13:44 jonnybarnes and should Joe expect a parser looking for an h-card to go to follow the header link
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# 14:25 aaronpk hm I am less clear on how the authorship algorithm should work for reply context. but isn't that documented on the wiki?
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# 14:33 jonnybarnes but in particular, my notes have a rel=author link in the header, outside of the h-entry itself
# 14:34 aaronpk I don't know... I hope barnabywalters can make a validator for reply context markup for indiewebify.me :)
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# 14:41 jonnybarnes so again, have I got my markup wrong, particularly with view to authorship
# 14:41 jonnybarnes my authership being indicated by the rel=author link in the header
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# 14:44 jonnybarnes so an authorship algorithm should pick that up (agenda being I'm trying to add an authorship algo to my webmention parser)
# 14:52 ben_thatmustbeme hmm indiewebify.me doesn't seem to think facebook, instagram, or tumblr link back, though they definitely have links back with rel=me
# 14:53 aaronpk oh wait instagram also doesn't return html anymore
# 14:54 aaronpk wait they put rel=me on the link, but render it via javascript?!
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# 15:00 jonnybarnes barnabywalters: so do you think perhaps you algo is looking for a h-card in the h-entry, and found Eric's, where the algo should realise thats the h-card of what my note is replying to
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# 15:32 GWG Anyone know a good source for wildcard ssl certificates?
# 15:36 jonnybarnes GWG: I use StartSSL, it costs maybe $50 to get virified, but then you can make as many wilcard certs as you want, so if you have multiple domains
# 15:37 GWG I use their free program. The free wildcards from them, any restrictions?
# 15:39 ShaneHudson Think I have fully decided to use Craft now. Think I've worked out a way to receive webmentions nicely :)
# 15:41 kylewm so doesn't indiewebcamp.com tick all those boxes? (kevinmarks's RT above)
# 15:49 ShaneHudson kylewm: Sadly not, but their UI etc is exactly what I need and I don't have the time to build my own. The code is freely available however and the free version will be fine for my needs
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# 15:51 kylewm ah such an interesting trend of non-free software with public source code!
# 15:52 ShaneHudson To be honest, I am fine with that. I don't mind paying for good software, as long as I can modify it myself if need be and have the option to make sure it is safe etc
# 15:54 kylewm i learned that the tantek hat is a white fedora
# 15:54 ShaneHudson I will stub it once I've got a version working properly with webmentions
# 15:55 ShaneHudson there is already a good plugin for sending webmentions but not yet recieving. The exact opposite of my current site lol
# 15:56 ShaneHudson I just really like the way the dashboard allows widgets for quick posting each post type. Wordpress takes a lot of hacking to do that well
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# 16:20 tantek great job yesterday with following up to feedback and updating the wiki for IndieWebCamp UK. Thanks aaronpk adactio aral barnabywalters gRegor` kylewm !
# 16:21 tantek is rereading the logs to see if he missed anything.
# 16:21 adactio tantek: I didn't do any wiki-editing myself but I heartily approve of the changes. :-)
# 16:22 tantek adactio - appreciate your perspective and following up to feedback.
# 16:22 tantek and continued pushing to open things up in the UK
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# 16:24 tantek adactio, do you remember Jeff Veen's presentations where he showed the USDA site with prominent "Need Hay" and "Have Hay" links at the top?
# 16:25 tantek would you believe no one involved with the concept or editing of the wiki yesterday had heard of it?
# 16:25 tantek (and independently came up with "Have a personal website" "Want a personal website" )
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# 16:36 tantek just being skeptical here - how is gov.uk an authority on community? that is, do they have a healthy community themselves, and thus have proof of selfdogfooding of their own checklist?
# 16:37 tantek or are these just "sounds like a good idea" hypotheticals?
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# 16:43 aaronpk problem is without that the img tag gets written with an empty src attribute whcih is then interpreted as the current page
# 16:43 aaronpk so everyone has a u-photo of indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
# 16:43 kylewm tantek: fair point re: gov.uk, skepticism warranted, but I did want to make sure we processed some of @emmajanehw's feedback somewhere
# 16:44 aaronpk I don't know the details of why the two are different
# 16:45 tantek aaronpk because IWC allows <img> and w3c wiki does not
# 16:45 tantek even the background-image doesn't work right now due to w3c wiki restrictions
# 16:45 aaronpk maybe add a comment in the w3 version saying as such?
# 16:45 tantek I used it anyway in the hopes that I can get their system team to fix it
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# 16:55 tantek.com edited /community-brainstorming (+1129) "add skepticism since no evidence gov.uk has a healthy community itself (counter with citations), nor any evidence that they themselves follow their framework/checklist (lack of selfdogfood), note some additional points" (
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# 16:56 tantek and to be perfectly blunt, people that give claimed authoritative advice like that without obvious evidence of selfdogfooding are *exactly* the kind you *don't* want in a self-creative/constructive community
# 17:01 tantek regardless it seems like we obvious meet all items on that checklist
# 17:01 tantek kylewm - agreed about processing emmajanehw's specific feedback, which frankly is more useful than the checklist.
# 17:03 aaronpk the only one that i'm not sure we can check is the metrics/reporting one #10
# 17:04 tantek I like what Tufte has to say about such "metrics"
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# 17:25 tantek hmm - wondering what people think of "View this page as JSON" visible links on various wiki pages
# 17:25 tantek to demonstrate / illustrate how the page itself has the data that turns into JSON via microformats
# 17:25 aaronpk I kind of like the idea of doing that on my site too
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# 17:31 ben_thatmustbeme well when someone has a sec, i am just trying to test out adding peopple as friends gives them more info
# 17:37 ben_thatmustbeme tantek, your site should be set up for it, if you log in to ben.thatmustbe.me you should see a few extra fields. in h-card
# 17:38 ben_thatmustbeme still need admin interface for all of this, but i can just directly edit the DB for now
# 17:44 ben_thatmustbeme i figure once i get it set up so that a site could poll that data into a friend DB, then i basically have a way for people to pull in my contact sheet (with whatever I allow them access to) and a way to pull theirs into my DB
# 17:49 aaronpk barnabywalters: why does your "Favourite" button have an action do=bookmark?
# 17:50 barnabywalters aaronpk: I think at the time bookmark was the verb I decided I liked the best
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# 17:51 barnabywalters well, the fallback is a twitter favourite, so it says favourite by default. web action toolbelt overrides the text with whatever the user provides
# 17:51 aaronpk i should probably install that at some point in the near future
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# 17:54 kylewm tantek: thanks for being blunt about the checklist stuff
# 17:54 kylewm i always appreciate your hard-won wisdom/advice on this stuff :)
# 17:58 kylewm ugh hate when i say "stuff" twice in one sentence
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# 18:06 tantek aaronpk - in the IRC logs it looks like Loqi is editing the wiki - the image has such a prominent semantic
# 18:07 tantek I wonder if it would be possible to show the avatar of the person associated with the User: domain ?
# 18:07 tantek that would look cool to see who is editing the wiki
# 18:08 aaronpk should probably omit the IRC nick from that line then?
# 18:08 aaronpk or switch it to the IRC nick of the person who made the edit?
# 18:08 aaronpk speaking of which, I should be able to use the twitter avatar hack
# 18:08 tantek I wonder if both those should use h-cite on the embedded URL
# 18:09 aaronpk I've been thinking about hacking up MW to make the RecentChanges list into h-entries
# 18:10 tantek right, energy better spent on improving the logs
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# 18:12 tantek goes to the IRC logs as the fastest way to click on ben_thatmustbeme and go to his site.
# 18:12 tantek I think our IRC logs "UI" is better than Slack at this point
# 18:13 tantek have been watching the rise of Slack, adoption by folks like NYT
# 18:14 kylewm aaronpk: "oh I already do that for tweets" -- what does that mean?
# 18:14 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: ok I signed into your site and it says on in the sidebar
# 18:14 tantek kylewm: tweets show up as from the @-name in the IRC logs, rather than as quoted by Loqi
# 18:15 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I don't see any new information on your site after signing in
# 18:15 kylewm aaronpk: you have to be careful, we're going to want you to make an IRC client soon
# 18:18 tantek kylewm: Slack is a commercial chat-as-a-service product that is bringing in income.
# 18:18 ben_thatmustbeme tantek. according to cache files, it should have shown you it. Its not terribly obvious until I add more entries. But it is added to the end of the Elsewhere section
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# 18:23 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: well done with indieauth sign-in showing more h-card!
# 18:23 tantek clearly we need to start a page on that with an IndieWeb Examples section :)
# 18:26 aaronpk any css gurus know how I can better center the avatar with the text inline? it needs to scoot down a couple pixels
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# 18:27 barnabywalters aaronpk: I usually muck around with vertical-align for a while, then just use relative positioning because no vertical align value gives good results
# 18:27 aaronpk oh wait a negative bottom margin on the img works
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# 18:43 jonnybarnes I got gpg and git working, yay, now the only problem is I replaced my initial annotated v0.1 tag with a new shiny gpg signed v0.1 tag
# 18:44 jonnybarnes I can't push this signed tag to Github because it says I already have a v0.1 tag
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# 18:45 tantek oh? or we'll relegate git to merely plumbing behind a nice wiki-like UI ;)
# 18:46 KevinMarks Thinking about comments/readers/following reminded me of that old post
# 18:46 bret i do command line git for some things that uis dont have good coverage on
# 18:46 tantek KevinMarks, exactly. same reason everyone who is mentioned online needs their own site
# 18:46 bret but I do all the wacky stuff with a program, like conflict management
# 18:46 tantek you can either make your own site / presence on the web show up in google results, or let what everyone else says show up in google results
# 18:48 aaronpk tantek: opinions about completely reformatting the wiki change lines in the IRC logs?
# 18:49 aaronpk like, hide the really long diff URL under an <a> tag that says "show diff" or something
# 18:49 aaronpk and no need to duplicate author if the lgo line shows the author already
# 18:51 Loqi bret meant to say: minor vs not minor?
# 18:52 aaronpk tantek: do you know what the "!" means? not all of them have it
# 18:54 tantek whoa. maybe absence of ! indicates adminship?
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# 19:04 tantek Tufte would argue a sparkline would be more informative ;)
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# 19:07 gRegor` Oh hai, pictures in the logs. Nice work.
# 19:08 Guerillero those numbers tell yo when someone is dumping lots of text and is a likely copyvio or when someone is section blanking
# 19:09 aaronpk here's the regex that matches those IRC lines and parses them into parts:
# 19:09 aaronpk ^\[\[(.+)\]\]( (?:[!NM]*|delete))? (.+) \* (.+) \* (\([+-]\d+\))?(?:deleted)?(.*)
# 19:10 aaronpk now to put it back together in some sensible order
# 19:12 tantek presumably no need to duplicate domain name of editor?
# 19:12 tantek i.e. can be removed from the right hand side? since it's now on the left hand side?
# 19:13 aaronpk right. so thinking: tantek.com (edited|created|deleted) /page "comment" <a href="">view diff</a>
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# 19:19 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: what inspired you to add the indieauth consuming support to your website and the expanded contact details?
# 19:22 kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: you have been thinking about that for a long time, right?
# 19:23 ben_thatmustbeme the "authorized user" also then functions as a base for a contact list for my personal use
# 19:25 kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: Oh I didn't mean that as a slight :) just that you have given it a lot of thought!
# 19:26 ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: I didn't take it as one. I just usually try to get to things sooner than that
# 19:27 kylewm aaronpk: wiki edits look good to me if i change to a lighter purple like say rgba(156, 122, 183, 1)
# 19:28 kylewm maybe a little more saturated than that so it matches the twitter blue
# 19:29 aaronpk it's so dark I forgot it was purple. will play with that in a sec.
# 19:29 tantek aaronpk they look like edits/changes to the site - looks good to me!
# 19:29 tantek "wiki-ness" is not essential to communicate is it?
# 19:29 aaronpk just need to make them not look like something people are typing
# 19:30 aaronpk since they're kind of third-person entries, not first-person
# 19:30 tantek aaronpk - I thought the use of domain names rather than IRC nicks helped with that
# 19:30 tantek e.g. "tantek.com edited" rather than "tantek edited"
# 19:31 tantek that might be both subtle yet different enough to be effective
# 19:31 tantek and wiki edits can come from any signed-in domain user, they might not be on IRC
# 19:31 aaronpk it was falling back to domain if they were not on irc-people
# 19:32 tantek aaronpk, perhaps omit the image for wiki edits?
# 19:32 aaronpk wasn't the thing that prompted this the idea of having the image next to peopel's wiki edits?
# 19:33 tantek aaronpk - your observation is correct, having the image next to the edit makes it look like the person is talking
# 19:33 tantek whereas the gray text "ShaneHudson joined #indiewebcamp" looks decidedly passive
# 19:34 tantek I think it's right that the "joined" messages don't show an icon
# 19:35 tantek so similar "edited " or "created " are 3rd party statements like "joined "
# 19:35 Loqi tantek meant to say: so similarly "edited " or "created " are 3rd party statements like "joined "
# 19:36 aaronpk put a blank placeholder so that the nicks line up with domain name of wiki edit?
# 19:36 tantek aaronpk - it's actually quite a mixed question
# 19:36 tantek since the edit *summary* *was* effectively spoken by the editor
# 19:36 tantek so now I'm mixed about it (showing an icon or not next to wiki edits)
# 19:38 aaronpk maybe making the whole line purple (including user domain name) is enough and I can put back the image
# 19:39 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you mean the image should really be coming from the h-card or /icon at the person's domain right? ;)
# 19:40 tantek aaronpk - yes making the whole line purple works!
# 19:41 ben_thatmustbeme either way it breaks the assumption of being an irc user for wiki edits. conversly this is the IRC log
# 19:41 aaronpk oh dear now i'm not happy with how the text wraps across lines
# 19:42 tantek aaronpk - don't touch that - we need all the width for more succinctly displaying on mobile
# 19:42 aaronpk the only thing I'd change is make it not go below the # xx:xx
# 19:44 kylewm.com edited /community-brainstorming (+118) "/* Is there at least 1 person responsible for managing information and encouraging constructive participation? */ code-of-conduct not linked on events pages, but I will add it" (
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# 19:44 tantek the tweets with icons now look much better - amazing
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# 19:44 tantek the mini-faces on iPod 5 touch with retina display are *amazing*
# 19:46 tantek is tempted to add Twitter avatar auto-embedding to /CASSIS auto_link for @-names
# 19:47 tantek aaronpk, I agree, condensed is more important
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# 19:51 kylewm hehe, I have to turn off my Stylish CSS overrides for the irc logs
# 19:55 tantek I'm comparing iOS log archive vs. twitter stream
# 19:57 barnabywalters are pixel density media queries supported? When using a retina display I always find myself making things smaller
# 19:58 ben_thatmustbeme barnabywalters, if memory servers, no, pixel density is never not something css is shown at all, only screen size
# 19:59 bnvk but I don't think it has all the features the article talks about
# 20:01 aaronpk tantek: made some special styles for small screens. what do you think?
# 20:02 bnvk ben_thatmustbeme: you can access pixel density via CSS
# 20:04 barnabywalters the font size changes are activating for me < 291px on FF nightly responsive design view
# 20:05 tantek i.e. try tilting your iOS device to landscape ;)
# 20:05 bnvk the way I've done it is via media queries- I guess not technically in the css
# 20:05 bnvk media="screen and (-webkit-device-pixel-ratio: 2.0)" href="retina.css"
# 20:07 bnvk I haven't really done it for ages since I started using iconfonts
# 20:07 aaronpk ios does something weird in landscape mode. it's not respecting the media query
# 20:07 aaronpk i made the text red for the media query selecting max-width 640px
# 20:08 aaronpk meta viewport is already: width=device-width,initial-scale=1,user-scalable=0
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# 20:10 aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: does the zoom work properly on android? (page should be locked to the width of the screen and not allow zoom and not have any horizontal scrolling)
# 20:10 gRegor` Red for me on Nexus 4 both orientations
# 20:10 gRegor` No zoom/scrolling on android
# 20:10 gRegor` I like the ability to zoom, though.
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# 20:11 aaronpk if I allow zooming then at least if you rotate you can zoom back out
# 20:11 tantek without the crazy JS stuff on that adactio post
# 20:12 gRegor` And no more red.
# 20:12 Loqi tantek meant to say: reduce negative margin-bottom on images magnitude by 1-2px
# 20:12 gRegor` Can you reticulate these splines?
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# 20:13 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: we're not crowdsourcing design, we're crowdsourcing design *testing*. big difference :)
# 20:14 aaronpk tantek: there's no negative margin bottom, it's just vertical-align: middle
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# 20:15 tantek hmm perhaps <ACTION>s should be 50% interpolated grey between utterances and "joined"
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# 20:17 gRegor` what are splines?
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# 20:19 tantek e.g. I saw "â¦ben_thatmustbeme thinks something" above for the <ACTION>
# 20:19 tantek just a minor header tweak for the logs if you want to neaten them up
# 20:20 tantek I'm seeing the Prev / Next links get pushed down and expanding the header unnecessarily
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# 20:23 tantek aaronpk - great work! these logs are looking AMAZING!
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# 20:27 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
# 20:30 bnvk hehe, how do I update my profile pic & URL?
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# 20:32 aaronpk I think everything under "/irc/" is not passed to mediawiki
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# 20:44 tantek aaronpk - it works for local wiki links, e.g. I can put [[irc/people ]] into a wiki page and it will link
# 20:44 tantek whereas without the redirect, the link turns into a red create link
# 20:45 KevinMarks2 Tantek re slack, I'm using it with Parzival and Known - handy as a non public alternative to irc+wiki
# 20:45 bnvk hrm, does my IRC avatar need to be a certain size?
# 20:45 tantek bnvk - you have signed up for an IndieWebCamp event before right?
# 20:46 bnvk yah, I don't remember that caching anything though
# 20:46 tantek lol "integrates with gdocs" why would anyone ever want to do that (integrate with sluggish software)
# 20:46 tantek bnvk - event sign-ups had a simple square icon
# 20:47 bnvk tantek: yah, that's what I added, my same image
# 20:47 KevinMarks2 But where they are coming from is emailing MSFT office docs around so need to provide on boarding
# 20:47 bnvk aaronpk: super cool making IRC nicer though :)
# 20:48 bnvk the /today page is quickly approaching a stylish modern chat app that *could* be valued at $N Billion
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# 20:51 tantek which does provide it an h-card, though I'm assuming you meant fetched from an h-card *on your site*
# 20:52 bnvk aaronpk: is the Today interface code open somewhere?
# 20:53 bnvk cweiske: hehe, it just takes a few minutes to update- I just pestered them :)
# 20:55 aaronpk I didn't think it really cared about the string at all
# 20:56 tantek aaronpk only when direct embedding the image just as a URL, then the wiki cares about the URL having an image file extension.
# 20:56 aaronpk and the only magic is the {{#if thing which I thought only looked to see if the string was empty
# 20:57 aaronpk unless the template expansion {{{4}}}
is breaking the "if" because of the ?
# 21:03 aaronpk oh dear probably did not match those properly for the logs
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# 21:07 cweiske tantek, did you add a {{t}}
template for yourself?
# 21:08 tantek a bunch of us started adding shortcut templates like that for convenience
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# 21:34 bear my main problem is finding an image that is cropped but has enough beard showing ;)
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# 21:39 bear yea, the log page is very nifty looking
# 21:41 GWG I reconfigured my test server over the weekend as I migrated it to Florida. It now has better SSL settings than my site.
# 21:42 tantek makes sense, get things working on a test server first
# 21:42 bear yea, that should be considered normal
# 21:42 ShaneHudson I need to sort out SSL on my site. I have a cert for .co.uk but my primary domain is .net lol
# 21:43 GWG It kept going down, so I moved to a new provider... and CentOS 7 is out..
# 21:43 GWG I can't play as much on mu production server. I have tenants
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# 21:44 KartikPrabhu ok so Loqi will say "we don't have a page" even if questions are not meant for Loqi
# 21:44 aaronpk yes but only if the message actually starts with "what is"
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# 21:52 GWG I have a bit of trouble on my phone
# 21:53 aaronpk just realized twitter is embedding the text of a tweet if you include a tweet URL in another tweet
# 21:57 npdoty whoa, you can like individual lines of the IRC log?
# 21:58 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: displays likes of his homepage, *on* his homepage
# 21:58 npdoty right, I think my actual surprise was that the IRC logs had separate URLs for every line of the log
# 21:59 aaronpk you guyyysss are making me want to do all the things
# 22:00 tantek I don't think the IRC logs display likes per line of log though
# 22:00 ShaneHudson I quite like the way it only shows some, has anyone done that with fragmention? Hide most of the other lines?
# 22:00 kylewm aaronpk: still taking irc log suggestions offline? I was going to ask about moving <img> inside the h-card
# 22:00 aaronpk kylewm: yes plz offline. working on other things now :)
# 22:02 tantek <action do=like with=(IRC-log-line-permalink)><3</action>
# 22:02 aaronpk alos holy crap how am i gonna query that... that's a lot of URLs to check for webmentions for
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# 22:03 kylewm npdoty: you can also send webmentions *from* the IRC logs
# 22:05 npdoty wait, what? by including a URL in an IRC message?
# 22:05 KevinMarks2 Can the web based irc get these upgrades, or is that hosted by freenode?
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# 22:06 tantek wonders what the protocol is for freenode's web UI -> IRC
# 22:06 tantek aaronpk - you mean like a web UI to IRC that uses IndieAuth for sign-in and then uses your nickname from /irc-people accordingly?
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# 22:10 KevinMarks2 While you're hacking it, can you please add a "next" link to the footer for when reading through old pages
# 22:13 bear freenode uses what I use for irc->web - a python (twisted) package called qwebirc
# 22:15 techlifeweb Glad for the web client. Can't get my irc client around the firewall at work.
# 22:25 tantek KevinMarks2: no, u-this-of and only once we have real world examples
# 22:25 tantek so if you want to show the number of "Thisses" your post(s) have received
# 22:25 tantek suspects that were benwerd around he would be very strongly tempted to add "This." posts to Known.
# 22:26 tantek also suspects that "This." posts in Known could be quite popular.
# 22:26 techlifeweb KevinMarks2: Don't know why I hadn't thought of looking for a chrome app. Which one are you using?
# 22:27 tantek "This." for when a like or repost just doesn't say how strongly you feel about it.
# 22:27 kylewm haha, my impression is that benwerd is trying desperately to find features to remove from Known
# 22:28 tantek kylewm: are you saying he might axe the chickens?
# 22:28 kylewm tantek: old chicken posts are already blank on werd.io :(
# 22:30 tantek of course now that Twitter allows up to four photos per tweet...
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# 22:32 Loqi benwerd: kylewm left you a message 1 day ago: could you create a HWC event + FB copy pretty please?
# 22:33 kylewm (sorry benwerd, didn't realize you had already been !told)
# 22:34 benwerd usually needs to be !told seven or eight times, to be fair ;)
# 22:36 benwerd Also, re-putting out feelers: IndieWebCamp Washington DC in November. Both education & government people in attendance. Anyone here up for that?
# 22:37 aaronpk I probably can't make it, but can participate remotely
# 22:37 tantek aaronpk - exponential year over year growth rate!
# 22:38 benwerd Jim Groom, the potential organizer, wants to link up to someone from IWC - Tantek, should I connect him with you?
# 22:41 aaronpk the emoji page names are a little bit ridiculous lol
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# 22:51 aaronpk think it might just be me in pdx tonight. I did not do any recruiting this week
# 22:55 kylewm benwerd: thanks for posting the event, sorry for sending you several wm's ... i only meant to send them to bridgy-publish
# 23:00 tantek my rsvp code was errantly dependent on pre-POSSEing oops. fixed.
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# 23:14 tantek if I ever make a "pro" version of /Falcon, "This." posts may have to be one of the distinguishing features.
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# 23:30 gRegor` Now do we need a "First!" page?
# 23:31 tantek including one from a reputable mainstream media source
# 23:32 gRegor` Citation for "First!"? All of Youtube.
# 23:32 tantek I don't think I've seen an indieweb "First!" comment yet (made on another indieweb post)...
# 23:34 tantek aaronpk, that actually has content "It worked!"
# 23:34 tantek KartikPrabhu: pretty sure I've seen "This." blog posts
# 23:35 gRegor` I think it's hilarious there's a whole article about "THIS."
# 23:35 gRegor` (The New Republic article)
# 23:36 gRegor` What is u-dislike-of?
# 23:36 kylewm aaronpk: that's more of a "Mr. Watson come here, I want you" than a First :)
# 23:36 gRegor` KartikPrabhu suggested u-dislike-of
# 23:37 Loqi [@indiewebcamp] going to Homebrew Website Club 18:30 @MozSF. Join us!
# 23:37 kylewm tantek: oh! fascinating ... I saw that tweet, wondered how you did it
# 23:58 bret !tell barnabywalters What is the code parameter in the querystring that taproot sends to micropub endpoints?
# 23:58 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next