#indiewebcamp 2014-08-23

2014-08-23 UTC
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kylewm that'd be very cool
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aaronpk yeah! now that I finally finished my runkeeper PESOS setup I can start on that
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aaronpk ...or probably not next actually... kind of want to get "audio" posts first
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KevinMarks_ known audio posts are nice, though html5 audio recording is a bit weak
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KartikPrabhu hi Loqi any msgs?
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KevinMarks http://www.andrewmarks.media/2014/is-the-sonnentanz-real-marksist-bootleg
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KevinMarks Tantek will like that one
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snarfed hey emmak! re your PR, you can call Facebook(access_token=…) to use a hard-coded token
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snarfed should work fine in an interactive shell
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KartikPrabhu https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/503013941723688960 time for someone to post image-fragmentioned notes :P
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@craigmod What's your favorite way to collaboratively collect images and notes? (twitter.com/_/status/503013941723688960)
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@henryfaber RT @jennie: Talking POSSE and #indieweb with a great group of Indigenous Culture Media Innovations peeps - all generations and so much nodd… (twitter.com/_/status/503029658418700289)
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emmak snarfed: thanks, i'll give it a try
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@gRegorLove @elclinto Our own sites. :) See http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/503052721125994496)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/gRegorLove/503052721125994496/15878829 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/gRegorLove/503052721125994496/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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elliottucker.net edited /Known (+61) "/* Sites */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Known (+148) "change sites to IndieWeb Examples (as they all are for the moment), and add primary vs. secondary, add known.KevinMarks as secondary example" (view diff)
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tantek I'm thinking about adding a "need help with" section to my User page. Would that be helpful?
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Loqi [mention] https://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb-1 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+632) "need help with / RelMeAuth PHP library" (view diff)
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tantek this is the kind of thing I was thinking of: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with
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tantek I'm hoping that both someone might discover that who has some time and skill to help and that others will add "need help with" sections on their User: pages so we can all offer help to each other where it is needed!
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www.bringtherainbow.com about-me edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (-248) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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bret interesting idea tantek
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elliottucker how does one go about setting up a user page on the wiki?
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KartikPrabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Elliottucker.net here log in and edit :P
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elliottucker that's way to much effort ;D
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gRegor` Hey there, indiewebcamp
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gRegor` Any messages, Loqi?
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bret hey gRegor`
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gRegor` Hey bret
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aaronpk good morning
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bret working on testing
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bret tired of things breaking in unexpected palces
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bret s/palces/places
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Loqi bret meant to say: tired of things breaking in unexpected places
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aaronpk nice
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bret are there test tokens available?
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bret like one that would return valid for example.com
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aaronpk you should be able to stub out tokens in your test framework
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Loqi fo sho
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bret ohh cool, just found an addon for this test runner that lets me make http request to the actual server
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bret wow, I did a lot of this incorrectly. totally need to rethink how configuration setting meander there way into request objects
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aaronpk hm, for $12/mo I could set up an AWS server with 120gb of storage and run a dedicated bittorrent sync instance
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@martinlindner @guenterhack ja, das ist natürlich idiotisch. aber was wäre die richtige tool-ebene für ein trotzdem deppenfreundliches #indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/503246742452994048)
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bret aaronpk they allow torrent traffic?
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aaronpk oh huh, good question
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bret hosts, historically have been pretty hostile to torrent traffic
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bret its my impression they are letting up a bit
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aaronpk whoa, you can download your s3 data via bittorrent http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/S3TorrentRetrieve.html
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aaronpk they have official bittorrent access to your S3 files
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aaronpk so i'm gonna go with yes
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bret aaronpk is that not way cheaper than dropbox>.
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bret ?
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bret its acutally about the same wow
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aaronpk actually dropbox is a little cheaper
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aaronpk oh wait I priced AWS at 120gb instead of 100gb
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bret dropbox: 100GB = $10
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bret its the same
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bret except you get 20 moar gigs
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aaronpk dropbox is $8.25/mo if you pre-pay for the year
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bret oh hrmm
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aaronpk and to get the price I said on AWS you also have to pre-pay
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aaronpk you can get the ec2 price down to $4.50/mo if you pre-pay for a year
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bret condalisa rice personally spell checks your documents on dropbox too!
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bret i have some mailbox for mac beta invites if anyone wants them
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jonnybarnes ooh yes please bret
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bret pm me an email address
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KevinMarks_ what is shrewdness searching? all feeds anyone using it has subscribed to?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "shrewdness searching? all feeds anyone using it has subscribed to" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=shrewdness+searching%3F+all+feeds+anyone+using+it+has+subscribed+to
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jonnybarnes hmmm, i typed /msg bret email@address and textual crashed
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jonnybarnes is that the right command?
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snarfed emmak: thanks again! you're welcome to do the honors and close https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/85 if you want
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emmak snarfed: you're welcome! thanks for helping me with the testing process
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emmak i don't think i have permission to close that issue though
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snarfed ah right, nm
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gRegor` Nice that FB gives a notification about bridgy expiring. "Brid.gy's access to your account has expired. Click here to renew it now!"
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@theindieweb |::| Setting up Known with Nginx #indieweb - https://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503269941106462720)
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@theindieweb |::| - Setting up Known with Nginx #indieweb - https://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503270163790450689)
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aaronpk alternately, for $100/year I could keep buying new 1TB hard drives
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@schofeld @MattWilcox It's down to us to help the indie web gain momentum. + @indiewebcamp @aral (twitter.com/_/status/503283202975625216)
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@aral @schofeld Indie Web is important. Indie Tech is crucial (see http:///manifesto/). Answer is P2P not web. +@MattWilcox @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503284289367445504)
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KartikPrabhu "Answer is P2P not web" err.... ^
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@aral @schofeld See my note on topologies in https://aralbalkan.com/notes/spyware-2.0/ — client/server will not fix this problem. +@MattWilcox @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503284637062660096)
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snarfed thanks gRegor`! bridgy actually generates that notif, not fb
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snarfed took a bit of work, but i think it was worth it
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gRegor` Good idea
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@MattWilcox @aral also agree p2p is required. Alas, a very hard problem to solve for a use case like Twitter /@schofeld @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503286078426861568)
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@aral @MattWilcox Web = discovery & publishing — p2p must be the core (as I see it). And yes, hard problem, esp. UX :)+@schofeld @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503286517771800578)
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@MattWilcox @aral also agree. I wander how long until a viable solution is invented, that also gains enough users @schofeld @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503287162423758848)
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@aral @MattWilcox Working on something now as part of http:///phone/ that we will release as alpha ASAP. +@schofeld @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503287421975691264)
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@MattWilcox @aral interesting! I look forward to learning more :) @schofeld @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/503287583036960769)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+10) "/* URLs */ Chicago FB link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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@TomDowd4 Your next career move is right in front of you-so grab it with an award-winning book #AmazonCart http://ow.ly/v5nD@IndieAuthorClub (twitter.com/_/status/503288140560621569)
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@gRegorLove Join us for Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club https://www.facebook.com/events/716026638451334/ cc @pitchdesign @marihuertas @dentonjacobs (twitter.com/_/status/503288976665366528)
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Loqi [mention] http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/08/23/3/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/27301982/716026638451334/27301982 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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gRegor` Did this tweet get picked up because of "IndieAuthorClub"? http://twtr.io/pwT9SHFxN8
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gRegor` Er, wrong tweet
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gRegor` http://twtr.io/pwSrX30eKV
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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tantek KartikPrabhu: Indieweb already does p2p - @aral may be unaware of that.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: he seems to be contrasting p2p and the web so I dn't know what he means
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tantek That broader perspective often requires actually shipping indieweb support yourself on your own site, including owning your own notes & replies.
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tantek Instead of sharecropping on twitter (as he and others like @anildash) still do.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: You don't know what he means because he's fundamentally wrong, and so obviously so to those of us that already publish and use webmention p2p.
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is what I thought
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KartikPrabhu also the attitude that we must fix everything before we start doing little things right is un-feasible
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KartikPrabhu "I will post my own notes only when we have p2p distributed DNS system world-wide" --- errr not going to happen
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bret there is a P2P DNS system in place, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia the pirate bay, a very global website, depends on it
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tantek Or use BitTorrent
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bret bittorrent sync is pretty amazing, such a step forward from the traditional website/tricker/client bittorrent model
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tantek But yes, the fix everything first from the bottom attitude is fundamentally obsolete.
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tantek incremental++
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Loqi incremental has 3 karma
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/gRegorLove/503288976665366528/27699215 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: Same problem with all of his criticisms of FFOS.
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tantek Only by reusing and building upon existing building blocks can we focus on the more important problems, namely UX.
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tantek Same problem with the /tent.io effort which focused first on inventing their own protocols, instead of working on UX.
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tantek And off for now. Don't worry about the twitter sharecroppers. Just keep scratching your own itches. :)
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bret tantek are you still working on twitter retweets?
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gRegor` What is FFOS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FFOS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=FFOS
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gRegor` (to anyone)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: Firefox OS ?
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gRegor` Ahh
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gRegor` You on for HWC next week, KartikPrabhu?
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KartikPrabhu yeah i should rsvp
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KartikPrabhu will do tonight
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gRegor` Cool
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gRegor` I think the one after this we'll move the start time back half an hour.
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KartikPrabhu oh this is still 18:30 ?
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gRegor` Yeah. I guess it could be changed still.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: all depends on others who might want to attend. I am pretty neutral about the time
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gRegor` Only Margot responded to my query about the later time and she said in general it's not the time that's a problem, just other conflicts.
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KartikPrabhu aah ok
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KartikPrabhu we should invite adactio if he's still around in chicago oon wednesday
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gRegor` But since we're the majority (only :) attendees so far and it works for us, I think it's fine to move it back.
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Loqi yea!
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gRegor` Oh yeah! Forgot about that. I asked him what brought him here, but didn't hear back.
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KartikPrabhu yeah i saw. we'll see
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gRegor` You should ask him about Wednesday. You two have actually interacted; he probably doesn't know me.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yeah I will.
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KartikPrabhu !tell adactio: if you are still in Chicago by Wednesday evening, you should be our special celebrity guest attendee to the Homebrew Website Club! ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: there we go! done with my PR assignment ;)
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ShaneHudson Got my (very basic) craft webmention plugin working. Saves each webmention as an 'interaction' which is in a separate channel to 'posts' (inc articles, links etc.)
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ShaneHudson Just need to throw up a link rel="webmention" so that the endpoint can be found :)
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snarfed ShaneHudson++
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Loqi ShaneHudson has 2 karma
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ShaneHudson Endpoint is working, now I can go to bed :)
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gRegor` Haha. I was thinking a tweet, KartikPrabhu. Not sure how frequently he comes by IRC.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: he comes by every morning... and I have tweeted at him about Chicago, if he replies or something I'll tweet him again
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gRegor` Cool
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bret i accidentally jumped right into acceptance testing
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snarfed bret: you were asking about indie retweets/reposts before?
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snarfed a few of us have been doing them if you have q's
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bret do you have any documentation on how you did it snarfed ?
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snarfed http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#IndieWeb_Examples
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snarfed bret: sure! bridgy publish and https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress
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bret sweet
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bret do you PESOS retweets on twitter back to your site?
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bret or all done through the bookmarklet
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bret im kinda feeling like I want to do both
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snarfed bret: all done through the bookmarklet, i don't RT directly through twitter much any more
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snarfed bret: you want to be able to do that and pull them back later, ownyourgram style?
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bret yeah
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bret or at least have that option
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snarfed bret: definitely doable but it'll take some work. gl!
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tantek bret - yes! still working on indie /reposts on my site, along with POSSE native retweets: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#implement_reposts_of_tweets
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tantek ^^^ quite a bit of design thinking already there, along with incremental steps to implement.
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bret snarfed PESOS RTs should be pretty easy as its just new content
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bret so I can build off of micropub
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snarfed bret: sure! if you already have that set up, and esp if you're already using the twitter api, then definitely
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bret new to the twitter api
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bret from there, I could create a bookmarklet that works off of the back feeder and do POSSE RTs