#indiewebcamp 2014-08-22
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kylewm !tell aaronpk p3k doesn't seem to recognize my like-ofs, any idea why? http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/15/1/
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@jimgroom @withknown @zachwhalen How about that for support? Check out web mention protocol for distributed commenting. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/502634039816486913)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/jimgroom/502634039816486913/227050193 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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KevinMarks this line is almost a shruggie http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408655369606
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# Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 10 hours ago: want to start gathering ideas/thoughts on IndieWebCamp DC here? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/DC
# KevinMarks devtools, network tab, check disable cache
# KevinMarks I added IndieWeb to crunchbase (as I was updating other things there) go add yourselves
# KevinMarks hm, does safari behave?
# KevinMarks do you have another php app that uses the same library to compare?
# KevinMarks snarfed: bridgy bug report of a sort - I twetted a link to http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html
# KevinMarks it didn't post my tweet as a comment, but 'I' did post all the retweets and faves
# KevinMarks this was the tweet: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/502352742497546240
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@kevinmarks Remember when I asked @twitter to allow HTML in tweets? http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html They will if you are a car company: https://twitter.com/Acura/status/502174391472386048 (twitter.com/_/status/502352742497546240)
# KevinMarks because it posts the comments as me, it makes me a look a bit obsessive
# KevinMarks could bridgy be added as an author to the blog to post the comments?
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@creativecommons Explain it like I'm 5: Creative Commons http://vimeo.com/25684782 #eli5 http://teamopen.cc/thefuture/ (twitter.com/_/status/496400285825118209)
# KevinMarks aha
# KevinMarks OK
# KevinMarks I'll add bridgy as an author
# KevinMarks the point is that you have to be a twitter approved corporate person to post html
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# snarfed KevinMarks_: also, the reason it doesn't send a webmention for your own original tweet is https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
# KevinMarks_ Interestingly, crunchbase requires a silo login as well as an email to edit
# KevinMarks_ It's almost indieauth
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# KevinMarks_ Snarfed could you compare the text of the tweet to the post?
# KevinMarks_ Your assumption is that it is a POSSE tweet, but it's often effectively a retweet or comment
# KevinMarks_ Mine are often what people call a linkslap
# KevinMarks_ Isn't one of the parsing rules to compare text
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# KevinMarks_ If it contains any other twitter entities than the post link it is probably a link slap
# KevinMarks_ Thing is, if you get replies they may be to the teaser, as a lot of people don't read the article
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# @kevinmarks "@timoni: @jimray @buzz Let's create our own open-source version! We could charge a smallish amount, like, what, $50 a year?" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502679215896928257)
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# @kevinmarks @anildash @captainhurst @davemorin I think we've learned a lot by implementing #indieweb while you hand-wring vaguely (twitter.com/_/status/502685679357145088)
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@danielabarbosa Yes! A prototype is worth a thousand meetings RT @kevinmarks: "@ebrent: @justin @drbarnard http://t.co/XWEUbUq2fy" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502686468402208768)
# KevinMarks At the moment it looks like I'm obsessively commenting on each fave
# KevinMarks If bridgy were doing it, it would be clearer
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: didn't expect Anil Dash to be quite so dismissive about "decentralised social networks"...
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@scott_gruber “@nimirea_: The Perfect CMS http://t.co/BUFgN9x3tI” nice post about decision. I respect intent to keep http://indiewebcamp.com values too. (twitter.com/_/status/502694079021346817)
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# indie-visitor I am new to using this chat and the indie web as well :) I am curious if anyone can read this and is around. I have an idea/site that I am interested in sharing and seeing what people think.
# KartikPrabhu hi indie-visitor
# KartikPrabhu you can change your name by writing /nick yourname
# KartikPrabhu err name being nick name on chat
# KartikPrabhu indie-visitor: no use /nick ryan
# KartikPrabhu without the Test :P
# KartikPrabhu hi Rad
# ryan020 Whoops it said that was registered so I changed it again, but I think all is well now. Thanks for the help!
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# KartikPrabhu ryan020: welcome then :)
# ryan020 So I am a newbie to the indie web and I am not super techie with web development. As I stumbled on the indie web for the first time I noticed I had to search around for blog posts or articles regarding it. I thought that there should be a site that linked to all these types of posts regarding the indie web... Thinking it would be nice, ya know? So I registered a domain and begin getting a wordpress blog set-up. Plans were and ar
# ryan020 During development of it I notice theindieweb.com was available so I grabbed it. That is we're the site is hosted now. It's live. Of course I am planning to add more posts, but I wanted to see what people thought of the idea. I don't want to muddy the waters or anything.
# KartikPrabhu ryan020: you have seen http://indiewebcamp.com/ yes? It is a wiki and it is a live documentation of ideas that people have implemented or plan to
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# ryan020 After that, the first post said... To continue to update it. Did the second post come through?
# KevinMarks Friendsplus.me is a PESATAS service for Google+
# KartikPrabhu ryan020: yes, the second one did come through. There is a char-limit on each post
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# ryan020 @kartik yes I have seen it. Although it took some looking around to find the the section where there are links to post, articles and videos. And for some people it's just easier if one site focuses on one thing. And I think articles, post and videos are important and potentially have the need to be signaled out and done the way I have planned to. Make sense?
# KartikPrabhu ryan020: i don't think people here will object to you collecting articles about the indieweb on your own site. But as a curiosity, why not just attempt to improve the wiki? the wiki is supposed to cater to new comers also
# ryan020 I think the content I am talking about can teach somebody what the indie web is in general and keep them updated on it. If I were to send certain people I know here, I feel they would get the feeling this isn't for them or something. I say that only because here is a lot of development talk here. It seems more for the makers. I
# ryan020 It's really debatable. And I guess we will see lol. I just don't want people here to feel like there's a problem with me doing. I don't think that would be good.
# KartikPrabhu it most likely won't be an issue but of course I can't speak for everyone :P
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# ryan020 I understand :). Thank you for the feedback.
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elliottucker benward_: had the same problem with Twitter plugin yesterday, yes, needed to clear everything for it to work in Chrome. Spent a bit trying to debug but it's all SSL. Worked in the end so I'm keeping quiet.
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techlifeweb ryan020: You can skim the irc logs for links to things that are going on. They are updated in real time: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today . Lots of it is developer speak but its a great way to learn.
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# ryan020 techlifeweb: Cool. Thank you.
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@matemaz Pas mal créer des ISP indépendants et locaux, exemple á suivre http://tetaneutral.net #redecentralize #indieweb #indietech cc: @nitot (twitter.com/_/status/502798309086740480)
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# JarOfGreen Hello from Scotland! I'm working on an Open Source group calendar project that may be of interest to the indieweb community and wandered if anyone wanted to chat?
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@OffBeatMammal @kevinmarks is there a muppets guide to #indieweb yet? I use WordPress and twitter but like the idea of owning my destiny better (twitter.com/_/status/502822569574404096)
# JarOfGreen It's a calendar wiki for groups and communities to use, http://ican.openacalendar.org/ The software is already in use in several areas and doing well, got shortlisted for award up in Scotland! Anyway, if anyone is curious happy to chat, contact details on site
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# JarOfGreen Thanks :-)
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tantek JarOfGreen: cool! would you consider adding h-event markup to the event info and h-card for the venue? http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event and http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
# tantek !tell KevinMarks where is the original of that tweet about "A prototype is worth a thousand meetings"? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/502685874245476353
# JarOfGreen Can I add that and be compatible with Schema markup? If so then yeah ... I've never been opposed to microformats in general, I was just never sure which ones are the best to use :-/
# JarOfGreen cool. so is that the most popular one to use you reckon? I'll make a quick issue on https://github.com/OpenACalendar/OpenACalendar-Web-Core
# JarOfGreen I have wanted to add Microformats because the idea makes sense to me, just never been sure which ones ...
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@nobantu Final hours of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX #19 (Oct 27-30) https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #VRM #IRM #IoT #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502839642438500352)
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@windley Final hours of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) http://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #identity #VRM #IRM #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502839915868979200)
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@idworkshop Final hours of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) http://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #identity #VRM #IRM #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502839915852222464)
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aaronpk kylewm: what do you mean by this? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408684981253
# Loqi aaronpk: kylewm left you a message on 8/21 at 5:05pm: p3k doesn't seem to recognize my like-ofs, any idea why? http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/15/1/
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# kylewm aaronpk: we were talking about bridgy's "webmentions for blogs" feature and how it backfeeds comments to blogspot by posting a comment as the blog author https://www.brid.gy/about#user
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jonnybarnes cool, so I can connect to znc from linux and it just works :)
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# jonnybarnes does anyone know any decent js libraries to save textarea content with localstorage?
# jonnybarnes preferably one that doesnt depend on jquery
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# Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 57 minutes ago: where is the original of that tweet about "A prototype is worth a thousand meetings"? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/502685874245476353
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# KartikPrabhu morning!
# KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: did you see this: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408688462923 and the following chat with ryan020 ?
# snarfed KartikPrabhu: sounds like http://news.indiewebcamp.com/ , and it maybe just needs more coverage
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: his claim seemed to be that indiewebcamp has too much dev talk for beginners
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: yeah... if you despise dev talk then indiewebcamp seems very opaque
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: both! maybe even IRC
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: maybe have a common form that pushes to both?
# KartikPrabhu ha!
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# KartikPrabhu alright gtg meeting
# aaronpk you know, a simple solution to this is to add a link to http://indiewebcamp.com/posts_about_the_indieweb in the wiki sidebar
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@zachwhalen @withknown Do you have any recommendations for integrating @disqus? (twitter.com/_/status/502631871751421952)
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# @kevinmarks @OffBeatMammal the irc is a good place to ask questions. There are WordPress plugins and bridgy to connect twitter http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Adding_Indieweb_Support.2FElements_to_a_Wordpress_Site (twitter.com/_/status/502885198019584001)
# KevinMarks Known will let you create an account and comment by posting, though that is not obvious (and not ideal)
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# KevinMarks I may turn that on and see how it works
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# KevinMarks_ reminder from yesterday: I made indieweb on crunchbase - add yourselves. (part fo the point is that this gets linked from techcrunch stories as a source of info) http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/indieweb
# KevinMarks_ maybe we need an indieweb page on there too
# KevinMarks_ it's also used a map of who's doing what
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# KevinMarks_ so, in the spirit of experimentation, I'm turned on registration at http://known.kevinmarks.com to see how that works for commenting
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@jennie Talking POSSE and #indieweb with a great group of Indigenous Culture Media Innovations peeps - all generations and so much nodding. (twitter.com/_/status/502904008873619457)
# @kevinmarks RT @jennie: Talking POSSE and #indieweb with a great group of Indigenous Culture Media Innovations peeps - all generations and so much nodd… (twitter.com/_/status/502904149906694144)
# KartikPrabhu ha! KevinMarks_ the default placeholder name in the known registration form is Henri Matisse! :)
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# KevinMarks_ if you register, you see a comment form.
# KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ would be cool to just sign in using IndieAuth and comment
# KevinMarks_ yeah, wrting that as an issue now
# KevinMarks_ if you do comment and send a webmention, it will show up
# KartikPrabhu yeah I have done that before :)
# KevinMarks_ the challenge is the UX of that inline
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@elliottucker Setting up Known with Nginx #indieweb http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502908810986815488)
# Loqi [mention] http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# KevinMarks_ KartikPrabhu: written it up here: https://github.com/idno/idno/issues/417
# @elliottucker @benwerd a pleasure, glad to be of help. Have just written up my experiences of setting up Known with Nginx. http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502909706491691009)
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@fdevillamil Was told #indieweb was a first world problem today because of the amount of technical knowledge and resources it needs. Will blog about it. (twitter.com/_/status/502909747612635136)
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# kylewm KevinMarks_: tried making a local comment here: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/trying-out-the-known-version-of-indieweb#comments interesting (and sensible) that it has its own permalink
# SRCR is know available for download already ?
# KartikPrabhu SRCR: it has a github repo form which you can download and install it
# KartikPrabhu SRCR: here's the link if you are interested: https://github.com/idno/
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@withknown If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502913840984498177)
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@benwerd RT @withknown: If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502913911591407617)
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@JockelLohkamp thx @kirilind for sharing @t 's video on the Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ #GETDBerlin @GOTOber @Gatesense_IoT #P2P #IoT (twitter.com/_/status/502914154383278080)
# SRCR elliottucker: Your side is that 'Known'
# SRCR s/side/site/
# elliottucker got ya
# SRCR so the answer is yes ?
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@bear RT @withknown: If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502915197385048064)
# elliottucker Sorry...what was the question?
# SRCR your site is that known
# elliottucker Is my site running on Known? Yes, it is.
# KartikPrabhu SRCR: yes... answering for elliottucker :P
# elliottucker Hehehe.
# SRCR :D
# SRCR I have tried idno before, but that was several months ago, I think I should try it again..
# KartikPrabhu idno is the same as known. they rebranded for reasons...
# SRCR I know, but it is evolved right in the last view months ?
# KartikPrabhu SRCR: yeah possibly... I'm not a php guy so haven't been keeping up with the details of known
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@jmartinstw RT @withknown: If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502916252160237568)
# SRCR I know the feeling :) I have many ideas in my head about a cool Indieweb site, but I'm to dumb/lazy/lack of attention span to create it
# KartikPrabhu SRCR: I do make stuff just not in php :P
# KartikPrabhu mko: you mean PHP-based things like Wordpress and Known
# SRCR I can do everything, but only at beginners level and because I lack a complete vocabulari (please correct this one Loqi) in any language it takes me aged.
# KartikPrabhu PHP itself I doubt is mass audience friendly
# KartikPrabhu SRCR: doing is a good way to learn
# KartikPrabhu I learnt python by making my website
# KartikPrabhu didn't know a word of python before that
# elliottucker PHP is still good for websites as it has so many html generating shortcuts. Not a fan though. So hideous.
# KartikPrabhu mko: is it because server/hosting services have optimised it with one-click install and such?
# SRCR True, my current site is in Craft CMS, that looks very promissing, enough room to play with but not really coding..
# KartikPrabhu mko: it would seem Node.js based services are catching up though
# elliottucker Just realised I forgot a major part in my Nginx post. It doesn't work without code change! To the updates!
# KartikPrabhu aah. true
# elliottucker you can't beat DO.
# SRCR rascul meant to say: 5/month lamp pre installed at digitalocean
# SRCR eat that Loqi ;)
# SRCR Is that the webmention plugin
# SRCR ?
# KevinMarks_ the heroku guys were joking about how ruby was more profitable for them than node, because ruby users always seemed to need more dynos
# snarfed obligatory: http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting
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# KevinMarks_ rascul: this was anecdotal, though I've had lightweight node things up on there or a while with a single free dyno and not been billed anything
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# KevinMarks_ not sure how to tell
# KevinMarks_ thing is a static node site spins up pretty fast anyway
# KevinMarks_ my site is really static hosting; I should just throw it on S3 or google cloud
# KevinMarks_ (I did try but s3 is such a pain to config that this is easier
# KevinMarks_ pasting various XML and JSON incantations into fields that don't validate anything
# KevinMarks_ then the posting API is a similar black art
# KevinMarks_ I was configuring a static site yesterday, and despite having exactly the same thing a day before I still had 3 tries at getting it to resolve
# KevinMarks_ what was that about "do it by hand until it hurts"
# KevinMarks_ note arbitary sub steps and links out to very long pages that generate XML for you in unclear ways
# KevinMarks_ things that page doesn't say:
# KevinMarks_ pasting DNS hosts in wiht trailing dots or spaces will probably silently fail
# KevinMarks_ pasting CNAME redirection in with trailing / or leading http:// will also silently faile
# KevinMarks_ each of these mistakes will require a DNS TTL timeout to fix
# KevinMarks_ so you get one edit every 5 minutes
# Loqi tantek_: KartikPrabhu left you a message 3 hours, 39 minutes ago: did you see this: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408688462923 and the following chat with ryan020 ?
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# KartikPrabhu tantek: yeah I was very confused about the claims
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@yarrumk RT @elliottucker: Setting up Known with Nginx #indieweb http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502928097663262721)
# tantek that's the point we're at right now, and we should not be ashamed of that but rather admit it freely and openly, recognize it, and provide a glimmer of hope by linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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@Bali_Maha @schnarfed sorry if this is supposed to be obvious: does installing indieweb plugin enable bridgy automatically if i connected via twitter? (twitter.com/_/status/502930035091980288)
# snarfed tantek: looks like it's http://theindieweb.com/
# KartikPrabhu tantek: it would have been beter if ryan020 had maintained a curated list as a page on his own domain
# KartikPrabhu tantek: oh no. I meant as an example of curated list page on own blog
# KartikPrabhu of course not comparing them :P
# KartikPrabhu nods
# KartikPrabhu i tried to not sound discouraging though I am sceptical
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "aws" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=aws
# Loqi DNS is an abbreviation for Domain Name Server and often used to refer to the configuring thereof http://indiewebcamp.com/dns
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CNAME" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=CNAME
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TTL" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=TTL
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# tantek anyone going to or have any info on this? http://ouishare.net/en/events/getd Berlin 2014-09-17..19 GetDecentralized Summit & Hackathon
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# tantek oh hey look what I found: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/decentralization-day-1
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# aaronpk pdurbin: add your photo here! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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@schnarfed @Bali_Maha bridgy finds your WP links in your tweets and sends responses to them. the indieweb plugin receives and displays those responses. (twitter.com/_/status/502940168764940288)
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# @Bali_Maha @schnarfed ok cool.but where does the indieweb plugin display them? (twitter.com/_/status/502941258286125058)
# @Bali_Maha @schnarfed btw the indieweb plugin says it is enabled but i don't see it on the side in admin view.should i be able to see it? (twitter.com/_/status/502941683110404096)
# tantek definitely an FAQ: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC_People#Why_is_my_image_not_in_the_logs
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# Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club-august-27-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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# tantek.com edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+99) "/* URLs */ add SF indie event and FB posse copy" (view diff)
# tantek is that documented as an "Issue" on /indiearchive ?
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# KevinMarks_ !tell benwerd the POSSEd HWC has today's date
# aaronpk but my URLs are things like /replies and /replies/2014.....
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "maps" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=maps
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ESRI" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ESRI
# KevinMarks_ yesterday I found out that facebook wants jpeg's that are 851x315 Clearly they never got that multiple of 16 thing