#indiewebcamp 2014-08-30

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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: accidently sent a bunch of webmentions to your site... Also one legit one from this: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/ben-marginalia-works
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@fionajharvey
RT @jimgroom: RT @grandeped: Symphony or Cacophony? Cracking the Code of Tool Selection in MOOCs http://www.edugeekjournal.com/2014/08/29/symphony-or-cacophony-cracking-the-code-of-tool-selection-in-moocs/ > Liking indieweb p…
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retout.co.uk
edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+213) "/* Participants */ Add myself"
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edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participants */ Fix alphabetization"
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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sseaurchin
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tantek_
just joined from a /FxOS phone on WiFi using the beta logs
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and it actually works a lot faster than IPS and is A Lot faster wow
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s/IPS/iOS
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Loqi
tantek_ meant to say: and it actually works a lot faster than iOS and is A Lot faster wow
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No weird jerky scrolling or anything
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tantek_
let's see if switching tabs works
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tantek_
home screen and back works
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tantek_
lock screen, unlock and reopen Firefox also works (which does not stay connected on iOS)
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tantek_
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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trying again
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tantek_
interesting. my browser got in a state where I could still type to the channel 07:45 07:49 but the websocket connection had dropped so the page didn't display what I'd typed until I reloaded
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huh and there it happened again. pretty sure that went to the channel but it didn't display in my browser
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@jmenglund03
RT @BorgosMN: I am testing out the Twitter plugin for a new #indieweb social platform called Known.
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tantek
interesting - that @BorgosMN account is someone apparently running for Minnesota state attorney general.
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tantek
I'm quite curious how they got hooked up withknown.com ;)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I think someone came in here once asking for a site for someone running for public office and got directed to benwerd
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tantek
that does sound familiar
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KartikPrabhu
can't find logs. don't know what to search :P
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tantek
lol - I think we had that discussion two days ago
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tantek
anyone here playing with Haskell? (I'm thinking maybe tommorris? glennjones?) looks like this just got started http://hackage.haskell.org/package/microformats2-types-0.1.0
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kylewm
h-monad
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kylewm
(that's what i would've called it :) )
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: who manages repos in the indiewebcamp github? like accept PRs and stuff?
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tantek
I think anyone here who has been somewhat productive that asks
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: no not be a member. But if I add a repo to that account, I still have to manage it right?
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tantek
I guess? I mean potentially any group organizer can I think. I'm not too familiar with how github orgs work.
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KartikPrabhu
aah ok cool
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tantek
and I don't see any docs about it on http://indiewebcamp.com/github
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KartikPrabhu
maybe docs exist on github :P
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KartikPrabhu
finds is great that tantek wants all information of the world on / :P
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kylewm
what are you thinking about adding, KartikPrabhu?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "you thinking about adding, KartikPrabhu" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+thinking+about+adding%2C+KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: fragmentions.js
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kylewm
oh my goodness Loqi, +? yourself
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kylewm
Github project ownership is weird... like it's still mojombo/jekyll even though TPW doesn't manage it anymore
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kylewm
It's sort of a tribute to the person who started it
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: no I mean documentation of community use of github.com/indieweb
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kylewm
aside: I experimented with hand-authoring a reply-context here https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/08/28/2/very-interesting-project-i-m-curious ... have a feeling i'm going to want an easy way to do that in the future
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snarfed
kylewm: +1 to doing things by hand until it hurts
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Loqi
snarfed: kylewm left you a message on 8/29 at 7:16pm: Publish to Tumblr is a great idea, might as well add backfeed at the same time too right? :P
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snarfed
huh. maybe! …sure? i don't really know tumblr much, so i don't know what would be backfed…but i guess it has likes, reposts, etc, so sure!
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tantek
snarfed kylewm +1 to doing things by hand until it hurts
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tantek
(have certainly been doing a lot of that myself)
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snarfed
hey speaking of which, tantek, have you ever considered hand authoring indie events on your own site?
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snarfed
i always feel bad when i see you have to ask benwerd etc
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tantek
snarfed - yes, I have started down that road several times
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snarfed
tantek: only started down the road?
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tantek
and each time I end up adding a bit more support to my display code to handle seeing an "h-event" instead of an "h-entry"
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tantek
in storage
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snarfed
i guess i meant fully authoring by hand, ie not (yet) writing any code
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tantek
snarfed - I don't have a static site
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snarfed
tantek: sure, but still, you can't author raw html inside your posts?
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tantek
indeed - yet I see an event as a top level "h-event" , not inside an "h-entry"
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tantek
an *indie event
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snarfed
ah i see
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snarfed
sure. i guess you could do everything *except* the top level h-event part
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snarfed
but understood
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tantek
right
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tantek
and I have plenty more personal use-cases too - like the "Speaking & Events" box in the bottom right of my home page
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tantek
right it's just static and manually edited (and out of date) part of my home page index.html template
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tantek
but ideally I'd like that autogenerated by /Falcon looking forward in time in my storage files
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snarfed
oh man, great idea
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tantek
(and right now Falcon only looks backward in time in my storage files)
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snarfed
i haven't tried to do h-event either, but other than that i've been ok with my few hand-rolled indie events, e.g. https://snarfed.org/2014-06-16_homebrew-website-club-at-quip
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tommorris
tantek: that looks cool. Haven't done much Haskell but will take a look.
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tantek
but at least I *do* have support in Falcon for handling the situation where storage has future things in it
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tantek
e.g. future post drafts
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tantek
so that was one of the step ones toward indie events on my site. handling future things.
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tantek
and I got an incremental usable feature out that work too
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tantek
so now that I've noticed my Speaking & Events box being so out of date I'm going to go update it - by hand
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tantek
1 week til IndieWebCampUK!!!
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snarfed
cringes
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kylewm
does webmention.io handle RSVPs?
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snarfed
kylewm: huh. i assume it accepts them
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tantek
snarfed, I see what you did with the h-event inside the h-entry
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tantek
my goal is to be able to post an event *without* having to put it inside an h-entry
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snarfed
tantek: understood!
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snarfed
mine too
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tantek
I see indie events, and posts *about* events as different things
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snarfed
totally!
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tantek
oh ok cool
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snarfed
…but until our server software supports it, it's nice to be able to do a manual halfway step like this
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tantek
still pretty amazing that you got that all working, even by hand, with Bridgy backfeeding RSVPs from Facebook.
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snarfed
:P thanks!
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snarfed
manual until it hurts, and manual indie events haven't hurt (me) yet
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tantek
it's an excellent case-study
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tantek
was that your first (only?) indie event?
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snarfed
nah there are a handful
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snarfed
i think all HWCs
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snarfed
finding
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tantek
looking for first, and approximately how many, maybe a recent one too
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snarfed
looks like 1/15/2014 was the first
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tantek
oh heh - was just doing that
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tantek
hence the questions :)
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tantek
since you did the hardwork of coding, I was recognizing it ;)
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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snarfed
oh! thanks!
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snarfed.org
edited /event (+108) "/* Ryan Barrett */ another (better) example"
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tommorris
tantek: looks like the haskell library just implements a set of types for microformats2 and serializes and deserializes from JSON, but doesn't yet parse HTML.
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tantek
tommorris: interesting - so it operates on the JSON output of other microformats parsers?
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kylewm
wonder if it has something to do with pandoc?
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tommorris
tantek: it's probably implemented like that to separate out the types from the parser. the idea is that you might have multiple pluggable parsers.
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tantek.com
edited /event (+464) "/* Ryan Barrett */ note POSSE FB event, and tweet/G+ posts *about* it which worked as proxy POSSE posts for Bridgy backfeeding interactions"
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tantek
snarfed, is there a Bridgy Publish feature request for making POSSE copies of indie events?
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tantek
s/POSSE/Facebook POSSE
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: snarfed, is there a Bridgy Publish feature request for making Facebook POSSE copies of indie events?
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snarfed
tantek: hmm! i don't think so. definitely a good feature request
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snarfed
looking
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tantek
would remove a manual step for Aaron, Ben, and you!
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snarfed
totally! filing one now
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tantek
(I know that's a small start, but so far *everyone* is manually POSSEing events to FB)
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tantek
(no one has automated code to do it yet)
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tantek
(which I didn't realize)
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tantek
snarfed, on that 2014-06-16 event you posted, you have a *featured* image! <img class="shadow" src="/french_press.jpg" />
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snarfed
tantek: true!
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snarfed
not marked up, but true
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snarfed
i'm surprised known doesn't have code to posse fb events
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tantek
known has a long to do list ;)
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tantek
I think it's the same sort of thing, event posts (or posting events) is not quite frequent enough a use-case for folks to add more code support to it
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tantek
though of course making it easier might make you want to post more events etc.
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tantek
especially if you could trivially invite your FB friends *from your site*
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tantek
(we have some brainstorming on /invitations but nothing yet on a UI for them)
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tantek
(just a bit about how to display and send webmentions to people's home pages inviting them to events)
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tantek
POSSE invitations from an event to a FB copy of an event would be interesting too
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tantek
imagine you could post an indie event on your own site with invitations to any of your friends to: 1) their personal site, 2) their twitter nickname, or 3) their FB profile, and from their perspective they'd just see it in whatever system/site/silo they were using, could easily respond, and it would backfeed to your event on your site.
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snarfed
"You cannot create events via the Graph API."
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tantek
so that's why we're all doing it manuall :(
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tantek
s/manuall/manually
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: so that's why we're all doing it manually :(
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snarfed
evidently :/
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tantek
well perhaps Eventbrite is the next POSSE destination then
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tantek
since people do seem to response to Eventbrite invitations
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tantek
and they have a pretty extensive API
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tantek
documenting the FB limitations :/
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snarfed
thanks!
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kylewm
I don't super trust the Facebook API documentation anymore
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snarfed
kylewm: hah true, given post editing
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kylewm
brb, POSTing to /me/events :)
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tantek
kylewm - do you post indie events?!?
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kylewm
I've never posted a silo event either, to be fair
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tantek
there's a first time for both then it seems :)
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tantek
you going to try posting an indie event and calling the API to POSSE it?
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kylewm
too bad,
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kylewm
    "message": "(#12) events management API is deprecated for versions v2.0 and higher",
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kylewm
tantek: nah, just messing around in the FB Graph API Explorer
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tantek.com
edited /event (+562) "/* POSSE */ document FB limitations, add another example of manually POSSEing to FB"
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edited /event (+113) "/* POSSE */ e.g. of a featured photo on an indie event"
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tantek
LOL, Eventbrite event API has a field called "privacy" which you set to "0" for *private* and "1" for public. How is that not the opposite of obvious?!?
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snarfed
i can haz 0 privacy?
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tantek.com
edited /event (+199) "/* POSSE */ add links to Bridgy issues to help"
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tantek
well so much for that rabbithole
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tantek
at least we captured a few bridgy itches in case we get a critical mass of indie event publishers
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bret-web
Lol snarfed
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bret-web
I'm going to do more event work soon
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tantek
bret - do you POSSE any of your indie events?
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bret-web
Tantek, I have not yet no.
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bret-web
I only implemented display and uF2 of events and RSVP
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tantek
"only" :)
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bret-web
That's the easy part :) just mapping some vars to a starter template
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh, so fragmention confusion just got even worse.. I just realized you can have a + sign in an ID
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ben_thatmustbeme
Firefox will not jump to an ID with a + in it, Chrome will
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: that's good that it's inconsistent, that means we can likely fix it
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ben_thatmustbeme
i take that back, firefox does
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tantek
what does the spec say about IDs with + in them?
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tantek
unescaped?
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ben_thatmustbeme
the spec says IDs can be anything as long as there is no space
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ben_thatmustbeme
basically thats the only limitation
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tantek
but + is a space
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tantek
in the URL
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ben_thatmustbeme
The value must be unique amongst all the IDs in the element's home subtree and must contain at least one character. The value must not contain any space characters.
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ben_thatmustbeme
in the URL, hmm, let me pull that up
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, it can, the ABNF of rfc3986 allows + in the fragment
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tantek
that's why I said bad Id not bad fragment :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
but thats both a valid fragment and a valid ID
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tantek
"+" in a URL is interpreted as a " "
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tantek
just like an escape would be
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tantek
not as a literal "+"
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ben_thatmustbeme
who defined that + in the URL means space?
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tantek
likely in rfc3986
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tantek
but to be clear, that's an old spec and you should be looking at http://url.spec.whatwg.org/
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahh, we have been using the RFC for url up til now, thats whats linked on the wiki,
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tantek
useful to know the answers either way
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think i have been looking at this from a different perspective than you. I have been looking at this as fitting it in to current standards, whereas i should be looking at this as creating new standards. this doc is what actually says that + should be defined as space. so that makes sense.
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ben_thatmustbeme
and + in an ID should be the escaped form
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ben_thatmustbeme
(when you reference the ID in the fragment that is)
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KartikPrabhu
aah ok glad that got resolved. was going to reply about fragmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme
it still comes back to the question of ## or some other syntax
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18VAAQP55
Someone said + as space applied to the query part of the URL, not the fragment, but I don't have a source
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think the case that was being made was that if we don't use the ##, we are still staying within the old RFC, which did not allow a nother # anywhere after the first #
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: why change the syntax when it is already in use?
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KartikPrabhu
and works
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ben_thatmustbeme
kartikprabhu, there was an entire discussion about this yesterday
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18VAAQP55
I think changing it to simplify further is OK. That's why single # makes sense to me
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KartikPrabhu
18VAAQP55: a single # also works with fragmentions.js
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18VAAQP55
Wait, is that my nick?
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ben_thatmustbeme
that was the other arguement, plus ## turns in the # on directs in FF, plus it was breaking some other implementations i believe
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KartikPrabhu
oh ha! KevinMarks: I agree with the single # :P
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indie-visitor
Hi everyone, my name is Rosa... I don't really know where to go to ask this but I am interested in attending indie web camp in Brighton on 6-7th September. I have been working as a developer for about 7 months now so I feel like I might need some guidance, so can I be somebody's apprentice? Is this the right place to ask??
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KevinMarks
The net split overwhelmed my nick buffer
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tantek
welcome indie-visitor!
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KevinMarks
Hi Rosa, yes this is a good place to aak
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KartikPrabhu
indie-visitor: HI Rosa... this is the right place to ask. you might want to change your nick by /nick yourname
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tantek
yes you found the right place :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
#+ would work i think but it does not leave you any way to add a second mention for the defining start and end
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tantek
speaking of which I was just creating a Lanyrd for IndieWebCamp UK
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tantek
Rosa, can you try typing /nick rosa_ (or something else you choose for yourself)
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: of course # anythign would wokr but why
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ben_thatmustbeme
#+ specifically because it immediately has a space saying "this is definitely not and ID"
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: we don';t need to say "this is definitely not an id"
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: may be the place where the official fragmention thing is documented could switch to single # by default ?
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tantek
indie-visitor / Rosa - still there?
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tantek
coincidentally I am creating a Lanyrd right now for IndieWebCampUK in Brighton on 6-7th September
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tantek
a Lanyrd page I should say :)
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rosa
sorry I was cooking at the same time!
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tantek
no problem! there's often multitasking / multithreaded conversations in this channel :)
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rosa
:)
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tantek
what's your personal site rosa?
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rosa
soo what do I need to do? Do I just sign up on Lanyrd?
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KevinMarks
At the moment /fragmention is the most official place we have
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ben_thatmustbeme
rosa, its great to have you on board though. I am exceited to go to my first indiewebcamp in a month or so
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KevinMarks
Tantek said we should write a more formal spec
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tantek
realizes we can ask humans and not the bot by asking "what's" rather than "what is"
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tantek
rosa, to sign-up, if you have your own website already, we can help you do that right now!
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, i'm going to forget that a lot tantek
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rosa
ah I do have a website it is a bit basic! www.techfox.co.uk
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tantek
and don't worry about needing some guidance, we all need some of that, and we all help guide each other :)
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rosa
what kind of stuff will we be doing? I have a blog on wordpress which I want to move over... and trying to make an app which I could use to post projects and stuff i'm working on... would I be building something like that? or are there set tasks or something?
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KartikPrabhu
rosa: those sound ideal for indiewebcamp. It is quite free form but you seem to have more of a plan that I did!
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tantek
we will be doing a day of discussion sessions (BarCamp style), and then a day of hack sessions, and for both days the focus is on any aspect of improving your own site that *you* want to focus on
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tantek
of course if you're looking for suggestions to work on, there's plenty to draw from
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ben_thatmustbeme
rosa, personally i have been trying to get as much done before IWC as I can so I can get help with the harder stuff. It will also give me the ability to help get others started. Everyone is different
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ben_thatmustbeme
i figure to get the most out of it, i want to come with as many questions as I can
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rosa
ah ok great :) I will be able to bring something to work on then :) sounds like it will be really good... I will probably push it to Heroku first and then change my domain over to it once its done... can I still just use my current domain to register?
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tantek
of course!
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tantek
I see that you have a Twitter link on your contact page
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tantek
so I'm going to assume you don't want a visible Twitter link on your home page, is that correct?
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@BorgosMN
Testing @withknown connected to brid.gy on our website. #indieweb
(twtr.io/qBKH9wdi3U)
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rosa
cool ok :) should I just sign up as a creator?
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tantek
rosa - yes absolutely!
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tantek
just updated https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampUK to link to this year's event
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@IndieWebCampUK
IndieWebCampUK 2014 is in one week! Still some spots left, sign-up! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK #indieweb
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tantek.com
edited /2014/UK (+8) "/* Organizers */ adding myself as co-organizer since I'm creating the Lanyrd and tweeting about it from IndieWebCampUK"
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@jkphl
RT @IndieWebCampUK: IndieWebCampUK 2014 is in one week! Still some spots left, sign-up! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK #indieweb
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rosa
thanks checking it out now
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tantek.com
edited /2014/UK (+2) "/* Schedule */ discussions"
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@brightconf
IndieWebCamp UK, 6th-7th September 2014: IndieWebCamp UK - 6th-7th September 2014 Own your data. Rather than p... http://lanyrd.com/2014/indieweb/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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tantek
whoa that was fast
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rosa
ah ok so it seems like I need to change the links to social media on my website to have rel="me" in the links... and then it should authorise?
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rosa
I will have to do it tomorrow I think... friend is coming over soon
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tantek
rosa - yes - though the links need to be on your home page
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tantek
however, if you don't want them visible, you can add it using <link rel=me href=…> in the <head>
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tantek
just realized that the hashtag for an event on Lanyrd is what causes its Lanyrd slug
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tantek
rosa, for example you could add this to your home page <head> :
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rosa
ooh ok yeah I don't want them to be visible on the home page, thanks will put into the head
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rosa
awesome thanks!
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tantek.com
edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+383) "add Improving Reality 2014 for the Thursday before"
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tantek
wow that's a good post
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tantek.com
edited /WordPress (+229) "/* Adding Indieweb Support/Elements to a Wordpress Site */ add articles about getting setup"
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KevinMarks
Rosa, you might also find indiewebify.me helpful
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KevinMarks
Great article on the command line on your blog, by the way
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techlifeweb
tantek: thanks...not done yet. Hit publish by mistake lol
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tantek
rosa, http://www.codebar.io/ sounds amazing.
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rosa
cool thanks I will check it out. Aw thanks! I need to write something else soon... trying to do once a fortnight but time has dissapeared this week!
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tantek
were you able to sign-in once you added that <link> tag?
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tantek.com
edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+3) "/* Friday 2014-09-05 */ list item the call to action"
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rosa
aw yeah Codebar is awesome, come check it out sometime... it is every other tuesday
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@kevinmarks
Great article on getting WordPress configured for #indieweb http://techlifeweb.com/using-wordpress-for-indieweb/ by @techlifeweb
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rosa
soon to be every tuesday
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tantek
great!
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tantek
oh kevinmarks, did you see above? "techlifeweb: tantek: thanks...not done yet. Hit publish by mistake lol"
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tantek
poor guy, now you've sent the herds his way ;)
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rosa
I haven't tried adding the rel="me" thing yet I will so it tomorrow my friend was meant to get here at 8 so I could probably have done it by now! but they are late lol I will let you know if it for some reason doesn't work
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techlifeweb
heh...just adding some bits about POSSE
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tantek
rosa - yes! go ahead and add it and try signing-in - it will take you less than a minute :)
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KevinMarks
Oops, sorry
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tantek
rosa, definitely feel free to ask any questions about any issues or difficulties with signing in etc.
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tantek
or even anything which seems confusing - it's all an indieweb work in progress, so there are no bad questions.
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tantek
ok I have a fixed Lanyrd URL for IndieWebCampUK 2014 finally: http://lanyrd.com/2014/indiewebcampuk
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tantek.com
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jonnybarnes
is there anyway to report "issues" with brid.gy?
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snarfed
bridgy has no issues
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snarfed
must be your hardware
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snarfed
you're also welcome to just ask me here
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jonnybarnes
well, im not entirely sure this is actually an issue
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jonnybarnes
but this tweet didnt get sent back to my site: https://twitter.com/konklone/status/505782617523122178
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@konklone
@jonnybarnes @mathias another thing I learned more recently: StartCom offers SHA-2 intermediates. Remake chain with https://www.startssl.com/certs/class2/sha2/pem/sub.class2.server.sha2.ca.pem
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jonnybarnes
but as you can see
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jonnybarnes
its not actyally a reply to my note/tweet
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jonnybarnes
but it feels to me like it should have been sent back anyway
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snarfed
looking
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jonnybarnes
the "huzzah" tweet was sent by bridgy as expected
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snarfed
yeah the second should have too
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snarfed
looking at https://www.brid.gy/twitter/jonnybarnes , bridgy hasn't seen the second tweet yet
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snarfed
i wonder if this is another case of twitter's search occasionally missing results
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jonnybarnes
well, no biggie really, just thought id make you aware
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KevinMarks
Hm, the in-page links to the poem aren't working on Chrome Android
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snarfed
yeah, known issue with twitter's search api. :( sorry
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snarfed
btw jonnybarnes if you really want that second tweet, you can get it by sending a manual webmention: https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls
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tantek
alright everyone who likes/uses Lanyrd, we have an event on there now for IndieWebCampUK 2014: http://lanyrd.com/2014/indiewebcampuk
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jonnybarnes
nope, thats gets a 400 response
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snarfed
you want to use the /comment/… form
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snarfed
since it's a reply
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snarfed
and the username should be you, not him
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@IndieWebCampUK
Have or want a personal site? RSVP for IndieWebCampUK 2014: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List Can also use: http://lanyrd.com/2014/indiewebcampuk/
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snarfed
(see the Details section below the example URLs)
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jonnybarnes
ive double checked the status id as well
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KevinMarks_
hm, google seems ot have turned off recipe search
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snarfed
check the format again. for /comment you need two tweet ids, first the original then the reply
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KevinMarks_
the link at http://www.google.com/insidesearch/features/recipes/ doesn't show the sidebar any more
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KevinMarks_
is this another schema fail mode
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tantek
Anyone here posting recipes on their own site?
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jonnybarnes
snarfed: working now, thanks
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snarfed
jonnybarnes: great! sorry again for the trouble
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@kongroove
RT @IndieWebCampUK: Have or want a personal site? RSVP for IndieWebCampUK 2014: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List Can also use: http://lanyrd.com/2014/indiewebcampuk/
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jonnybarnes
tantek: as in cooking recipes?
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KevinMarks_
was chatting to benwerd about recipe blogging, and realised that the widespread hrecipe markup coudl amke for nice previews
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tantek
hrecipe markup is widespread
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tantek
and now h-recipe is being slowly adopted too
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tantek
that looks kinda spammy
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tantek
sure, want to use that example to start http://indiewebcamp.com/recipe ?
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KevinMarks_
rather than reposting the recipe on http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/rosie-made-the-tastiest-bread-ever , i'd liek to post a link and have the preview show it
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tantek
KevinMarks: last time I asked benwerd, reply-contexts were not very high on his priority list
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tantek
for any kinds of replies, nevermind replies to recipes in particular
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snarfed
jonnybarnes: truncating as in ellipsizing?
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jonnybarnes
snarfed: yes
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jonnybarnes
tantek: I beleive barnabywalters puts some recipes on his site
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snarfed
jonnybarnes: yeah it does that in a few places, i think including tweet rendering
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jonnybarnes
he at leasts talks about cooking from time to time
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tantek
jonnybarnes: that sounds vaguely familiar
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tantek
if you find one of his recipes, please add it as an IndieWeb Example to /recipe
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snarfed
jonnybarnes: twitter uses a t.co link inside the tweet content there. bridgy resolves it and replaces it with the real url. final resolved urls are always nicer, when possible, and when rendered nicely
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bret
im not sure how I can do reply context other than the basics in-reply-to. seems complicated
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jonnybarnes
snarfed: and by rendered nicely do you mean ellipsizing the displayed url?
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snarfed
ellipsizing and removing leading http(s) and www
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tantek
unwinds his stack back to editing his upcoming events on his home page by hand.
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snarfed
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 71 karma
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tantek
bret - you can do at least URL and icon pretty easily: http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Levels
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jonnybarnes
snarfed: looks good
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tantek
just work on adding one small piece at a time
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snarfed
thanks!
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jonnybarnes
tantek: having a quick look at http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/?tagged=food i dont think hes actually posted any recipes
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KevinMarks_
hordes I sent to techweblife's post: 4 (thanks twitter analytics)
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snarfed
a thundering herd!!!
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bret
TIL images on webpages look terrible on high res macs
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Loqi
svg has 5 karma
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tantek
waits for KevinMarks to post vector photos.
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Loqi
tantek has 72 karma
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ShaneHudson
Yeah it is such a shame photos look worse, not better
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Loqi
svg has 6 karma
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KevinMarks_
do apple not scale them well?
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bret
can I get added as a member to https://github.com/indieweb ?
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tantek
what's your gh?
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@dkmj
RT @kevinmarks: Great article on getting WordPress configured for #indieweb http://techlifeweb.com/using-wordpress-for-indieweb/ by @techlifeweb
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bret
sorry walking from room to room. at debconf14 :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
can't get all the kinks out of this code, but my idea was to try basically #id#start#end
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ben_thatmustbeme
so you could refer to text within a specific ID
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ben_thatmustbeme
and if id is blank and end isn't given you end up at the original implementation of ##some+text
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bret
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 73 karma
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: the UX of trying to link to a particular ID is so bad I wouldn't design for that
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tantek
that's why I instead went down the path of from … to
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tantek
both being fragmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme
well i figure it makes sense for 1 implementation that way though, just leave off the ID all the time
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ben_thatmustbeme
it still distinguishes between ID vs fragmention, and defines a case if you give both
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: what is the need to distinguish ID and fragmention?
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tantek
!tell caseorganic would you like to create the Lanyrd event for IndieWebCamp Cambridge in October or should I? http://lanyrd.com/search/?context=future&q=IndieWebCamp
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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@techlifeweb
Updated Using #WordPress for #IndieWeb http://techlifeweb.com/?p=12741 Now with details on POSSE and PESOS
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tantek
updated his static upcoming events box in the footer of his home page, and then noticed he needed to update his "Currently Working On" column too. Now all updated and live. Time for lunch.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek should updated his "currently eating" section :P
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tantek
thankfully has no such section to update (at least on his website)
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tantek
oh that appears to be down - sorry twitter api broke it
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tantek
(changes to)
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KartikPrabhu
adactio keeps posting photos of delicious ramen
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@adactio
Eating toast. (FAQ: to disable the toast feature, go to http://twitter.com/adactio click "Following" and then "remove")
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KevinMarks
I think id's become a fallback case for fragmentions, if that's not too megalomaniacal
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks I agree
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KevinMarks
Happy to give them precedence if found first, to not change existing link behaviour
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KevinMarks
But assume that creating fragmentions gets easier over time
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tantek
KevinMarks: I'd doubt that browsers would want to make that big of a likely breaking change
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tantek
to treat ids as a fallback case for fragmentions
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KevinMarks_
Yes, I was talking in usage terms
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tantek
nothing to do with megalomaniacal or not, has to do with perception of it being too big of a change to risk breaking tons of existing sites
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tantek
I'd say it's not worth exploring options that are likely to be non-starters to browsers
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KevinMarks_
search IDs exactly first, then do fuzzy matching on text
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KevinMarks_
is what I would propose as a browser change
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tantek
so you don't mind that fragmentions of single words becomes - fragile?
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KevinMarks_
not really; single words are fragile anyway
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tantek
interesting
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KevinMarks_
This is why I want to explore the 'highlight the words I linked" case
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KevinMarks_
the scrollto code should still do the containment stuff for context
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@OccupyMN
Local indie web developers needed to break out of FaceBox... http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm
hey cool, Known is in the list of apps nominated to be ported to Sandstorm.io
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@kyle_wm
Hey @SandstormIO, it's already been nominated but I'm another vote for the incredible @withknown #indieweb platform https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform/twtr
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@GlobalRevLive
http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark Independent web developers are meeting all over to build open source tech & get... http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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@UPSAmerica
http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark Independent web developers are meeting all over to build open source tech & get... http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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KartikPrabhu
what happened here? ^
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hongpong
i sent a couple posts thru FB pages @kartikprabhu . finally reading up on this stuff this wkend
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KartikPrabhu
I see... none of those tweets point to the full post though
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@kevinmarks
RT @IndieWebCampUK: IndieWebCampUK 2014 is in one week! Still some spots left, sign-up! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK #indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
woah! bridgy POSSE to Twitter with photo totally worked!
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tantek
really? original?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: was the G+ POSSE copy manual?
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KartikPrabhu
G+ has no post api yet afaik
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tantek
wait - did you PESOS from G+?
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tantek
looks like the image is stored there
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I store images on G+ as a stop-gap to self-hosting photos
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KartikPrabhu
so techincally PESOS. but not in spirit :P
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tantek
did you edit the G+ post to insert the permalink to your own site? or did you already know the permalink when you created the G+ post so you could post it ahead of time?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I did not have a G+ post. I uploaded the photo to G+ albums or whatever. Then made a post on my site. POSSEd to Twitter through Bridgy and then manually added the post to G+
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tantek
ah interesting
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tantek
and now that you're using u-photo, your "notes with a photo" are more like actual photo posts
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KartikPrabhu
I was one of the first to use u-photo ;)
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KartikPrabhu
as a photo post
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KartikPrabhu
stop trying to control my disruption! ;)
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tantek
and document your use of G+ albums as photo storage
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tantek
not controlling, just encouraging documenting your good work!
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KartikPrabhu
first must pack to move...
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tantek
ok I'll move it
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KartikPrabhu
:) thanks. too a break from packing my stuff in boxes to post a photo of my room mates discarded stuffed animals :P
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tantek.com
edited /photos (+871) "move Kartik to photos section (instead of notes with), and add more details of his publishing process"
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hongpong
has anyone looked at drupal on the mix on this? i was surprised its not on the list since its semantic web has been around a while
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@jmsmcfrlnd
RT @IndieWebCampUK: IndieWebCampUK 2014 is in one week! Still some spots left, sign-up! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK #indieweb
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@iamaegibson
Well, I have my http://aaronegibson.com/?p=70 #indieweb #autonomusweb
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KartikPrabhu
hongpong: feel free to start a Drupal page and document the semantic web it has
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KartikPrabhu
particularly if you use it
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hongpong
damn that thing is quick
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