#indiewebcamp 2014-08-29

2014-08-29 UTC
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snarfed afternoon all
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snarfed anyone else seen gradual degradation in twitter api's availability over the last few weeks?
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Loqi snarfed: gRegor` left you a message 1 day ago: Hmm, getting 401 again and verified the account is public. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1409182429&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE0LzA4LzI3LzUvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgICAgAoM
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snarfed used to be only ~.2% of bridgy's twitter polls would time out on an api call (avg 2-10 calls per poll)
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snarfed now it's ~2.6%. order of magnitude increase. :/
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snarfed gRegor`: looking
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snarfed !tell gRegor` i suspect your bridgy access token has lost the write permission (somehow). try disabling and re-enabling publish?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks__ maybe everyone looking at analytics is bogging them down
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snarfed KevinMarks_: heh. it started ramping up weeks ago though
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kylewm snarfed: re Publish to Wordpress comments -- are there three separate ways to receive comments in wordpress wp.com, jetpack, and plain old comment form comments (is that what you have?)
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kylewm that is, I think the three ways to receive comments are: {wp.com, jetpack, comment form}
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snarfed kylewm: kind of. they're not disjoint, more like extensions of the built in comment feature
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snarfed kylewm: oh, you mean, how to create them programmatically? in that case, wp.com and jetpack are the same: both handle the REST API
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snarfed https://developer.wordpress.com/docs/api/
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snarfed example usage: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/wordpress_rest.py#L148
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kylewm ah ok, so I think those were the two separate issues tantek was asking about -- comment form vs. jetpack/wp.com
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snarfed hmm, maybe. i definitely interpreted it differently. meh, no matter!
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@jmenglund03 @bali_maha Hey, that's great that you have #withknown up and running, Maha! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/505153163314606080)
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lucasgonze All done: http://s.gonze.com/ . Got the number of setup steps down from 7 to 4.
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aaronpk that's awesome
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lucasgonze thx
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aaronpk I thought about doing my short URLs that way. I will probably archive some of my shortURL domains that way when I stop using them to make new links
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aaronpk I like your trick of autogenerating new codes on requests for starter.txt
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lucasgonze that was most of the work. it's a php script.
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bear I use a variation of that method for my nginx configs to rewrite my old blog urls to the new domain - I was thinking of doing that for a shortener and now I see you have proved it would be useful
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lucasgonze it only works if the .htaccess generated by the script is not the .htaccess aliasing the script
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lucasgonze it's a super robust method
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lucasgonze +1 if you want: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8240618
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bear nods
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bear my method involved creating a custom *.conf file that is included into nginx - the benefit of .htaccess is that it doesn't require a restart of the web server
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lucasgonze if there's a nginx-friendly syntax for the starter.txt output, it would be good to make a generator
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lucasgonze not hard at all to create nginx-starter.txt, once I know the rule file to generate
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bear for your RewriteRule ^jzPqF$ http://tinyurl.com/ [R,L] -> rewrite ^/jzPqF/$ http://tinyurl.com/ permanent;
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bear you can s/permanent/redirect/ to change it from a 301 to a 302
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bear the list of rewrite lines would go into a seperate file and then just included into the location / {} block for the subdomain
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Forgot to bring it up last night, but I'm going to move next HWC back to 1900
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Loqi gRegor`: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 14 minutes ago: i suspect your bridgy access token has lost the write permission (somehow). try disabling and re-enabling publish?
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: sure
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gRegor` wonders if we're nearing time for separate h-events
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willnorris aaronpk: I see that indiewebcamp.com does serve https traffic, but it’s not the default. Is that just an experiment, or can we rely on that sticking around?
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Loqi [mention] http://mediajunkie.com/2014/right-then-enough-of-that/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/no-need-start-scratch-mediajunkie linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/wordpress#Adding_Indieweb_Support.2FElements_to_a_Wordpress_Site (webmention)
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@benwerd Run your own 'MySpace' (an interview with me from November 2006) #tbt #indieweb http://www.zdnet.com/blog/social/run-your-own-myspace-with-elgg-spaces/17 (twitter.com/_/status/505209557526667265)
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acegiak_ is there a wiki page discussing @tags? i cant find it
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: as in tagging people?
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak oh
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acegiak people-tag
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acegiak i see now
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KartikPrabhu :)
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acegiak not many examples.that's interesting
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acegiak trying to work out how i want to do it
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KartikPrabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/nicknames_cache#Easier_Person_References_When_Writing maybe this helps
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KartikPrabhu I know kylewm has people tagigng
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acegiak cause at the moment i use a person's twitter @tag as the text of a link to their url
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acegiak yeah a cache is what i needithink
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acegiak im using my wordpress blogroll as a contact list at the moment so maybe ineed to use that
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KartikPrabhu yeah that could work
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acegiak at some point im gonna have to take all the code ive hacked on the microblogposter plugin nd refactor it into my own plugin
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acegiak i just hate trying to write stuff to do with oauth
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acegiak im so bad at andthing handshakey
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acegiak anything*
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acegiak on the plus side my wordpress posting kupfer plugin is kicking ass
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: what does kupfer do?
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acegiak KartikPrabhu: it's a launcher like synapse or gnome-do
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acegiak I justreally wanted a way to post things to my blog from my desktop without having to open a browser window and the wordpress dashboard
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KartikPrabhu aah neat
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neuro` Good morning indie Web world.
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KartikPrabhu morning neuro`
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tantek !tell benwerd that's a great article from 2006!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@fdevillamil Blog: I’m Tweeting Crap (and I’m OK With It). #indieweb, #ereputation. http://t37.net/i-m-tweeting-crap-and-i-m-ok-with-it.html https://twitter.com/fdevillamil/status/505245497825980416/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/505245497825980416)
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colintedford !tell KevinMarks: For the fragmentions icon, maybe some combo of a quotation mark + a link icon? Rough idea @ http://test.colintedford.com/s/2014/fragicon.html but I'm sure someone could do better.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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colintedford Oops, I mean
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colintedford !tell KevinMarks_ For the fragmentions icon, maybe some combo of a quotation mark + a link icon? Rough idea @ http://test.colintedford.com/s/2014/fragicon.html but I'm sure someone could do better.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek wow this is a good post. read it all the way through: http://t37.net/i-m-tweeting-crap-and-i-m-ok-with-it.html
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neuro` blushes
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: let me know when you’re around.
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tantek neuro`: so much insight and wisdom.
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KartikPrabhu hi JonathanNeal
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JonathanNeal colintedford: I like the direction that is going in.
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: While I have every confidence in my own team, I fear the higher ups at the university may begin blocking access to the fragmentions project. Have you pulled to your own fork recently?
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: very nice post indeed... I was meaning to write one similar in spirit maybe soon
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: not recently... i'll pull one now
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JonathanNeal It would be a good idea. There was some uncommunicated shutdown of access. After I’ve pulled the latest myself, I’ll email them about it.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: done... I'll also make a local copy
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kylewm colintedford: KartikPrabhu: I like the proposed fragmentions icon, it reminds me of http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/King_Kai :P
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KartikPrabhu I had made my own version of fragmention icon wait I'll upload it
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: local copy made
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: looking forward to it.
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colintedford JonathanNeal: Thanks. Hopefully someone with the skills to make something more finished out of it can do so.
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colintedford Ooh, or we can see what KartikPrabhu has!
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JonathanNeal Fusing the quotes and the link icon might be work experimenting in your design, colintedford.
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colintedford JonathanNeal: I'll mess around with it later; that had crossed my mind but one very brief experiment with it didn't pan out.
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KartikPrabhu here is my modification of KevinMarks_'s original idea: https://kartikprabhu.com/static/icons/link-frag2.png
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neuro` tantek: KartikPrabhu thank you. I'm blushing even more now.
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: nice one
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colintedford kylewm: Every time you use a fragmention you can imagine King Kai delivering it or speaking it :)
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colintedford KartikPrabhu: Ooh, nice.
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KartikPrabhu it s based on the link icons from Entypo so that version would have to be CC-SA . If a more liberal license is needed I can make one from scratch. I also haz SVG version ;)
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@jkphl The fact that Google killed authorship functionality (http://searchengineland.com/goodbye-google-authorship-201975) doesn't mean it's obsolete! http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/505252638418821120)
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tantek jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: just so understand, the people at Chapman U can block access to fragmentions by changing the license?
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: I’m more concerned with them removing the repository before we pulled the latest changes, if they somehow deemed it unfit.
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KartikPrabhu aah I see. well they can't now :P
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KartikPrabhu I'll "watch" it on github and periodically update my fork
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JonathanNeal The team I worked with was incredible, but I never really fit in with the institutional infrastructure or culture there. In my last few weeks, they really started tightening things down, restricting access, etc.
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: yeah Univs can be bureaucratic and asinine that way
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JonathanNeal Yes, and this one was no exception. I hope I’m unfounded in my concern, but better to be safe.
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KartikPrabhu another thing. I'd like to document/solve this problem we talked about with deciding the parent element of a fragmention. If you have examples ready of this issue, could you start an issue on my fork here: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/fragmentions
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JonathanNeal Sure, I’d love to discuss it further. Shall we move it to #indiechat or another room?
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colintedford.com edited /fragmention (-2) "/* Behavior */ grammar thingy" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu oh the behaviour there ^ is of fragmentions.js right? not of fragmentions in general...
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KartikPrabhu for instance some other code could choose to highlight just the phrase and not the "closest element"
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acegiak yaay! got my twitter posse to @tag people wi their twitter handle when I @tag htem in an indieweb post if I have it in my system
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acegiak using a json object in the link notes field in my blogroll
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@glennjones Good to see @SandstormIO have got their crowd funding, looking forward to seeing the beta https://sandstorm.io/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/505268249010122752)
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acegiak is trying to work out the simplest way to mark the imagemap locations for peopletagging an image
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acegiak cause typing in the numbers sounds baaaalls
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KevinMarks_ Flickr style rectangle drawing, or fb style facial recognition?
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Loqi KevinMarks_: colintedford left you a message 1 hour, 28 minutes ago: For the fragmentions icon, maybe some combo of a quotation mark + a link icon? Rough idea @ http://test.colintedford.com/s/2014/fragicon.html but I'm sure someone could do better.
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KevinMarks_ Looks good, add it to /fragmention
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colintedford Will do. KartikPrabhu did one, too: https://kartikprabhu.com/static/icons/link-frag2.png
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@kevinmarks Hey @leolaporte @jeffjarvis @ginatrapani I'd love to talk about soi-disant federation and actual #indieweb on TWiG - invite @benwerd too (twitter.com/_/status/505273501591142401)
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eliemichel Just discover that Diaspora* supports some kind of POSSE: https://wiki.diasporafoundation.org/Integrating_other_social_networks
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@CenturyLinkEMEA Video interview w/ @Cardmagic & @KentonVarda from personal cloud platform @SandstormIO http://www.centurylinklabs.com/interview-with-sandstorms-founder-about-the-personal-cloud-platform/?hvid=2dkABm&hootPostID=b05e68c189aad4d0510acb3a7d2dbf36 #indieweb #crowdfunding (twitter.com/_/status/505274996798029824)
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@JockelLohkamp check out our #hackathon rally of #GETDBerlin... REGISTER @ http://get-d.net #indieweb @gotober @AKQA @RIOT_OS https://twitter.com/JockelLohkamp/status/505276593246576640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/505276593246576640)
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acegiak does <div class="h-photo"><img class="u-photo" src="blah" usemap="#map10"><map name="map10"><area shape="circle" coords="124,58,8" class="microcard h-card u-url" href="http://acegiak.net" alt="acegiak"></map></div> make sense?
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eliemichel an h-card inside a h-photo?
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acegiak trying to work out an ok way to mark up people being in photos
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eliemichel mmh I see
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eliemichel I'm still not an h-expert, can't say ;)
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acegiak yeah, neither am I :P
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exppad.com edited /Diaspora (+167) "Notice that D* supports some kind of POSSE" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson Wow, a map? Not used one of those in a very long time
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eliemichel but for identifying people on a picture I think it makes sens
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ShaneHudson Yeah it does
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acegiak I think it's kinda annoying hta the image points to the id of the map not the other way around
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colintedford.com edited /fragmention (+223) "/* Proposed icon */ Added 2 proposals & renamed section to match, slight reformat." (view diff)
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ShaneHudson acegiak: Heh yeah that is a bit odd, but I think it is so that maps can be used for multiple elements?
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acegiak making sense doesn't make it less annoying :P
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/jkphl/505252638418821120/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship (webmention)
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@JockelLohkamp next wave for the #internet... @Gatesense_IoT @GOTOber #GETDBerlin @OuiShareLabs @AKQA #indieweb http://cre8tives.org/preparing-for-the-next-big-wave/ #IoT #P2P #SOCAP14 (twitter.com/_/status/505286533348618240)
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eliemichel acegiak: Do you know whether it exists a list of tricky uses of h-entries such as your picture identifying method?
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acegiak eliemichel: i don't know. i think a h-entry can contain multiple photos
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eliemichel no, I mean a place somewhere in the wiki that referes every possible use of h-entries
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eliemichel like yours
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eliemichel that are not exactly official
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eliemichel but used by some people
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acegiak eliemichel: is that not the h-entry wiki page?
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eliemichel there is no "trick-list"
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eliemichel the usual way of using it is well described
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eliemichel but there is nothing about little hacks
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eliemichel that could eventually be shared and used by many people
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eliemichel like your pict-id
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barnabywalters acegiak: interesting use of the <map> element for people-tagging! it makes a lot of markup sense, but can map regions be styled? sure they can be clicked but beyond that I’m not sure they can be used for UI-parity with existing silos
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barnabywalters although that should be achieved using progressive enhancement anyway
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indie-visitor Hi I am very keen on attending Indie Web Camp 2014 in Brighton but I fall under the apprentice category and need a Creator, if anyone would be kind enough to tolerate me you can find me at chris@digitalbliss.uk.com thx!
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barnabywalters greetings indie-visitor (Chris)!
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barnabywalters1 (had to change nicknames due to IRC client problems)
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barnabywalters1 is digitalbliss.uk.com your personal site?
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indie-visitor hi barnaby yes it is
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barnabywalters1 indie-visitor: cool! well I’ll add you to the RSVP list. Also, if you can edit your site and have a twitter/github/etc account you only need to add one link to be able to log in yourself
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indie-visitor great! what do I need to do?
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barnabywalters1 indie-visitor: see http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain
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barnabywalters1 also, in IRC you can change your name by typing /nick yournewname
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@Stevia_Badger RT @kevinmarks: Hey @leolaporte @jeffjarvis @ginatrapani I'd love to talk about soi-disant federation and actual #indieweb on TWiG - invite… (twitter.com/_/status/505328157625708544)
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barnabywalters1 /away food
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barnabywalters1 huh apparently that doesn’t work in irc?beta
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indie-visitor Thanks Barnaby! Will go through the setup now.
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@jkphl Last hours in the office before my @reasonsto-@dconstruct-@indiewebcamp marathon next week. The pile of work won't melt ... :/ #stressed (twitter.com/_/status/505339294270369793)
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acegiak barnaby: yeah i was thinking that it would be better to have some simpler markup and do the fancy ui stuff with js
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acegiak but i couldnt think of an elegant way to express the locations of the people in the picture
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@fruitingbodies Things I am excited about: #indieweb on the 6/7th of Sep at @68MiddleSt - all part of #BDF14 baaaaaybe. http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indie-web-camp (twitter.com/_/status/505347283169595392)
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@68MiddleSt RT @fruitingbodies: Things I am excited about: #indieweb on the 6/7th of Sep at @68MiddleSt - all part of #BDF14 baaaaaybe. http://t.co/VY5… (twitter.com/_/status/505347598257885184)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi GWG: tantek_1 left you a message on 8/27 at 12:19pm: you mentioned "thumbnail/featured image idea in WordPress" - could you link to a more detailed description of this "idea"? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446335000
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GWG !tell tantek This is the feature http://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Thumbnails
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme morning all
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glennjones Been working on autolinker for node.js turns tweets in html - API at http://tools.transmat.io/
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Loqi glennjones: tantek left you a message on 8/15 at 5:00pm: looks like your icon on your server broke! see: https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List##Glenn+Jones
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Loqi glennjones: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: Hey UK IndieWeb folks, propose an IndieWeb session for MozFest 2014 (in London 2014-10-24..26) http://2014.mozillafestival.org/propose/
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glennjones Added NPL time parsing for fun, try “meeting @test today at 16:30” make sure you add 2014-08-29 into publisheddate
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barnabywalters glennjones: that’s a nice touch!
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barnabywalters glennjones: I think I found some bugs in http://tools.transmat.io:80/autolink/text?text=Meeting%20tonight%20with%20%40waterpigs.co.uk%20around%2018%3A40&&publisheddate=2014-08-29&&
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barnabywalters there’s an extra <time> element inside the <time datetime> attribute!
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barnabywalters and twitter usernames can’t have dots in
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barnabywalters listing which datetime segments are implied is SUPER useful — might be an idea to add timezone to the datetime info too — e.g. in this example the timezone is implied
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glennjones Wow the server crashed while you where making your request
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glennjones Looks like I need to add a few more test to deal with time blocks spanning other marked-up text like usernames
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glennjones if you try “today at 16:15 EDT” you will see the timezone come into play
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glennjones Or switch the publishdate to full iso date like 2014-08-29T00:00:00-04:00
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glennjones most of the parsing is been done by http://momentjs.com/
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@glennjones Playing with tracking my own location using http://t.co/dxO6RzV2hT and automating check-in's, by geofencing my favourite places #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/505374239570931712)
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@glennjones @tommorris I sure this will make a good session for #indiewebcamp    phone -> MGTT -> post as h-entry -> transmat.io (twitter.com/_/status/505376443388690432)
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tommorris glennjones: agreed. ;-)
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aaronpk holy cow that owntracks app is extremely thorough
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aaronpk glennjones: this page is really awesome http://tools.transmat.io/
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ben_thatmustbeme the newsletter should be pretty interesting this week given all the emoji pages created
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aaronpk oh dear
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ben_thatmustbeme heh, we may break stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme huh transmat.io could become very useful service if I do parse out h-cards as I would like to
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ben_thatmustbeme i may just split that in to its own service
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@leolaporte @kevinmarks @jeffjarvis @ginatrapani @benwerd We love the indieweb - @omgchad make it so, please! (twitter.com/_/status/505402540322611201)
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KevinMarks__ :D
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tommorris I've been noodling around today with large-scale data processing of OSM data.
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tommorris Extracting the POI subset from the whole planet file took 52m on my laptop. ;-)
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KevinMarks__ (they had a long chat about federation and diaspora adn tent on TWiG this week)
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KevinMarks__ I love that you laptop is now "large scale"
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tommorris Well, I was running it on the server but then realised that the test runs were so quick that I didn't need to bother. ;-)
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KevinMarks__ how big is the whole planet file?
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tommorris KevinMarks__: 25Gb of PBF. or about 300Gb of XML.
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tantek KevinMarks: any summary of that long chat?
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tantek did anyone mention monoculture?
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Loqi tantek: GWG left you a message 3 hours, 58 minutes ago: This is the feature http://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Thumbnails
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tantek ooh I like "Featured Images"
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tantek "Post Thumbnail, now Featured Image, is an image that is chosen as the representative image for Posts, Pages or Custom Post Types. The display of this image is up to the theme. This is especially useful for "magazine-style" themes where each post has an image. "
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KevinMarks__ they didn't mention monoculture explicitly, which is why I pinged them to go on and explain
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KevinMarks__ but they talked about it implicitly
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tantek it's funny, the monoculture pattern replicates so often and regularly, how could they not see it?
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tommorris If everyone just uses the [software|protocol] I've come up with, it'll all be fixed!
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KevinMarks__ that was it, they talked about diaspora and identica and tent
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tantek KevinMarks: and yet they didn't see the pattern, from identica, to diaspora, to tent?!?
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aaronpk it's kind of subtle
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aaronpk and is easily overpowered by the marketing/promo language around the product
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KevinMarks__ and not usually visible to users
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tantek I just kind of assumed any old tech person had developed a marketing/promo-language-filter.
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KevinMarks__ the difference between interop and point integrations is subtle
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tantek from repeated exposure
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KevinMarks__ gina talked about email as the only successful federated protocol
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KevinMarks__ which is kinda ironic as they have an irc channel
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tantek KevinMarks: even email is failing as that, as in practice more and more folks are switching to hosted email by a large provider like gmail
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aaronpk irc isn't really federated tho
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tantek aaronpk true! irc is like diaspora in that regard. lots of little pods (servers), who don't talk with each other.
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aaronpk the "federation" people talk about is how there's a bunch of freenode servers rather than a single freenode server, but it's not like anyone can set up a server to join the pool
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tommorris it's a silo, but emoj.li is now running. it's like Yo, but your username is an emoji, and you can only send emojis to others.
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tommorris my username on there is "™ðŸ‘¬"
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tantek aaronpk - that's not federation, that's merely horizontally distributed computing.
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk that's why irc is not a good example of a federated system
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indie-visitor Hello, I'm looking to rent a IRC service to have a bot 24/7 in the channel I registered
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tantek tommorris: my user name is pen & pencil (the emojis aren't too readable in IRC)
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tantek lol indie-visitor
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tantek how did you register a channel as indie-visitor?
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tommorris tantek: do post them in IRC so I can copy-paste them on the iPhone. ;-)
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indie-visitor Am I in the wrong place?
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indie-visitor I did register it with another nick
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aaronpk I can't find pen, unless it's the fountain pen
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tantek excellent. type /nick yournick
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indie-visitor me?
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tantek yes!
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indie-visitor my nick is: alfacent
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indie-visitor just a sec
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tantek aaronpk, pen & pencil are right next to each other on iOS's emoji keyboard
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aaronpk ah ok. it says that user doesn't exist.
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KevinMarks__ hi alfacent
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alfacent Hi
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alfacent I'm back
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KevinMarks__ so, what was the question? You want an irc bot?
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alfacent So, can you help me with that?
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alfacent Yes, I want it to be 24/7 on the channel
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tantek alfacent - welcome and what's your website?
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KevinMarks__ and do what?
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alfacent And do thinks like posting every new post/link from a specific subreddit. They have a rss feed for that
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alfacent things
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alfacent Also let users know of any tweets that contain specific words
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alfacent (from twitter into my channel)
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alfacent Can you help me out with this?
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tantek alfacent - why not aggregate all that to your own website instead? much more usable/visible/searchable
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donpdonp alfacent: an irc channel dedicated to irc bots might be more helpful
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alfacent do you know of any such channel?
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tantek alfacent - that's what I mean by searchable!
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tantek your asking that question demonstrates that it's hard to search for/in IRC channels and thus discovery is difficult (as you demonstrated).
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tantek whereas searching for indieweb sites is much easier
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tantek assuming you want to build a community around your specific subreddit
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alfacent right now I just want to get started with a bot to make this IRC channel more cool
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alfacent I don't want to have a website at this moment
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tantek but what if one already exists that is cool? do you want to duplicate the work?
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alfacent You are making my life difficult. I just want a bot in my IRC channel.
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alfacent it seems IRC bots is not your field of expertise. Am I right?
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tantek alfacent I am merely asking questions. If you know the answers it should not make your life difficult.
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tantek Why do you want your own IRC channel for a specific subreddit?
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alfacent why not?
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tantek better to have a community for a specific topic
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neuro` tantek: agree with your point about how difficult it is to search a IRC channel history. Tech companies have been struggling with that for ages (and are still)
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tantek which a website is a better suited for
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alfacent For people interested on that subreddit to get to know each other on IRC
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aaronpk alfacent: this channel is about the http://indiewebcamp.com community, and while we do use IRC and have bots, you will probably get better help from a channel dedicated to people making IRC bots.
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tantek alfacent - better to start with a website so that people interested in that topic can more easily find it! since IRC channels are so hard to find - as you demonstrated with your questions about IRC channels for bots.
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tantek if any such channels exist - good luck with your search!
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aaronpk also search around github as there are lots of IRC bot frameworks you can use
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tantek KartikPrabhu, kylewm_, aaronpk, regarding representative images for a post, did you see what GWG pointed to? http://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Thumbnails
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tantek the WP community now calls them "Featured Images"
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tantek but I wonder if "Image" is too restrictive
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aaronpk interesting!
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tantek why not a featured video?
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tantek or heck, a featured audio clip?
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aaronpk have you seen any exmaples of people doing that?
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tantek yes! wikipedia
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tantek and many online media/news sites have featured video accompanying an article *instead* of featured image
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tantek and aaronpk, the biggest example, to which you yourself have contributed to - Twitter Cards
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tantek I should say /Twitter_Cards ;)
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neuro` Twitter Cards provide a great case study of featured content, with markup, rules etc...
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tantek and how it is far too easy to overdesign metadata
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neuro` The worst part of it is that you nede to provide metadata for Twitter, Facebook and G+ repeating the same thing 3 times
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KevinMarks__ well, G+ will read the FB ones
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KevinMarks__ but yes
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tantek neuro`: or you reject them all and help create an open standard
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tantek instead of Dr. Seuss metacrap like "twitter:label1" and "twitter:label2"
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tantek per https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards/types/product-card##Sample%20Code
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neuro` tantek: definitely agree with you (even though I'm using them for pure ego marketing presented as user experience)
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neuro` BTW, the variety of Twitter card is a self resignition of how they failed at analyzing the data by themselves.
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GWG Insanity
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KevinMarks__ tantek - http://2014.mozillafestival.org/propose/ asks for twitter handle not personal url
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KevinMarks__ no place to put your own website at all
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bear I need to find a mozillian to "sponsor" me again once mozillians.org resets
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tantek neuro`: they could have started much simpler
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tantek KevinMarks__: perhaps tweet at them about it, ironically ;)
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tantek bear I believe I have that abilit
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KevinMarks__ they did start a bit simpler, a lot of these types have been bodged on
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tantek s/abilit/ability
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Loqi tantek meant to say: bear I believe I have that ability
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bear tantek - nice, i'll give you a polite poke when the deadline passes \o/
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tantek KevinMarks__: they could have started with merely a u-featured URL for example
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neuro` tantek: they could, but I believe they need that much data to help display ads.
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KevinMarks__ they could have started with allow us to attach metadata and seeing what we converged on
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tantek neuro`: I'm saying for 80 (90?) % of use-cases, all the other information can be derived from existing data
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tantek and say, content-type of the URL
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tantek KevinMarks__: hahaha yeah. Then rohit and I scared them with colorized tweets ;)
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neuro` tantek: sure, but why spending time and resources processing the data when you can have people format them for you for free?
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tantek they didn't expect anyone would fit an entire style sheet into 255 bytes ;)
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KevinMarks__ so if I'm doing a fragmentionsession at mozfest, we will need a firefox plugin...
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tantek neuro`: the usual, can't trust metacrap
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KevinMarks__ or is that a goal for the session? Port the plugin to FF?
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neuro` Colorized tweets? You mean like people using colors on IRC? Scary.
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tantek KevinMarks__: yes! what are the existing browser plugins?
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tantek or addons?
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KevinMarks__ http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention##Chrome+extension
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KevinMarks__ should we get JonathanNeal to move the code to the indieweb github?
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tantek neuro`: YES. I figured out a way to compress a style sheet, including rules, for styling chunks of the text in a tweet, into 256 bytes (or was it 512)
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tantek KevinMarks: perhaps make a #lazyweb request for the #firefox add-on equivalent of that chrome extension?
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aaronpk RSS: Really Small Stylesheet
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bear groans
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KevinMarks__ who has webmention.com? it's giving php errors
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tantek aaronpk I called them TSS - tweet style sheets
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tantek here's a funny article - gosh I'm amazed at how optimistically hypetastic journalists are about every little sneeze from a fashionable company: http://gigaom.com/2010/06/20/twitter-annotations-are-coming-what-do-they-mean-for-twitter-and-the-web/
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aaronpk KevinMarks__: I think webmention.com was registered way before we were doing webmentions
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KevinMarks__ .org goes to the github
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aaronpk registered in 2007
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KevinMarks__ anyone speak dutch and want to call bert?
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aaronpk i'm glad I got micropub.net
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KevinMarks__ i have fragmention.com and org, but maybe i should get fragmentions.com too
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KevinMarks__ or fragmentations as that is what everyone types ;)
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aaronpk ha
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KartikPrabhu tantek: featured image is good. but that is still different sounding than representative image
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KevinMarks__ well, they make sense in different contexts - the splash image behind the top so you look like medium and every damn other site, and the image that is shown by sites linking to you
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tantek KartikPrabhu: did you read the URL I pasted or the quote?
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KevinMarks__ so is fragmention "Build and Teach the Web" or "Open Science and the Web" or "Open Data"
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tantek it specifically referred to *representative image*
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tantek Build and Teach the Web
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KevinMarks__ right, and it was called thumbnail, which implies a small preview
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tantek it *was* called that
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KevinMarks__ but then they changed it because it was used for splash images
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tantek note the evolution in terminology, likely due to experience from usage
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KevinMarks__ right
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tantek so let's learn from their experience and simply skip to the answer
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tantek and rather than "featured image", drop the "image" and just use "featured"
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bear notes he has webmention.co and webmention.me registered
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tantek which would then allow for any of the kinds of objects/cards that Twitter bolluxed up with too much complexity
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KevinMarks__ well, there is still an ambiguity of goals
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tantek bear - do you redirect them now?
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bear no, but give me a target...
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tantek how about /webmention ?
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bear cname to indieweb wiki - on it
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bear or url redirect?
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KevinMarks__ fragmention.com redirects to my post; fragmention.org to /fragmention
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aaronpk url redirect, cause cname can't go to a page obv
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aaronpk micropub.net redirects to indiewebcamp.com/micropub right now
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tantek KevinMarks: what goals? perhaps you can add them to a "use cases" section on http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview
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bear aaronpk - yea, 2 beats after hitting enter I was like "d'oh!"
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aaronpk :)
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tantek otherwise I say for now we go with WordPress's experience from "thumbnail" and conceptually "representative image" to "featured image", and drop the "image" from the name because it isn't needed.
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tantek thus a u-featured property, to link to an image (or video, or audio stream) that a "featured" piece of media for the post.
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tantek inside an h-entry obv
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KartikPrabhu u-featured hmmm must ruminate on that
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KartikPrabhu tantek: does the change in meaning of u-photo then only apply to h-entry or also h-card?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: feel free to pick apart my "proof" analysis above that results in that conclusion ;)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I certainly like dropping the "image"
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KartikPrabhu but just featured sounds too broad... does not convey any meaning as to what can possibly go there
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I'm not sure any change in meaning of u-photo is necessitated in the general case
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aaronpk oh yeah there was a discussion of u-photo recently that I was supposed to chime in on but was AFK
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KartikPrabhu tantek: fair enough :)
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kevinmarks.com edited /link-preview (+150) "/* indieweb approaches */" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - if you like. the evidence seemed pretty one sided though so I went with that: http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=h-entry&diff=64507&oldid=64496
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tantek re: u-photo
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tantek now we're onto how to re-address the previous use-case of " a representative photo or image for the entry"
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tantek and thus u-featured, per the above analysis
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tantek also found this tweet about Twitter Annotations: https://twitter.com/adamjackson/statuses/12180272857
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@adamjackson Wow. Twitter Annotations is what I've been wanting FOREVER. And please make Twitter portable. It's my data I want to download it! (twitter.com/_/status/12180272857)
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KartikPrabhu download = portable! lol!
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tantek I figure sticking tweets in the logs makes them more findable in the future of web search
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tantek KartikPrabhu: thought that part was particularly good for this channel :)
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KevinMarks__ facebook does thinsg differntly depending ont he size fo the image you use: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraph/howtos/maximizing-distribution-media-content#images
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tantek a little aside request for data ownership ;)
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KartikPrabhu what is twitter annotations?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "twitter annotations" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=twitter+annotations
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KevinMarks__ is that a good precedent? or are we better off explicitly distingusing the 'image to one side" and "image as focus" cases?
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tantek brilliant! the internet archive captured the tweet styler prototype that Rohit and I hacked up !
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tantek https://web.archive.org/web/20100603210918/http://xent.com/rtf
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tantek using Twitter annotations
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tantek including the TSS to CSS converter I wrote, in CASSIS of course: https://web.archive.org/web/20140829191332js_/http://xent.com/tss.js
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tantek yes with just that little bit of CASSIS code, we demonstrated how trivial it was to arbitrarily style tweets in a handful of bytes in a single tweet annotation
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tantek we started with colorizing a "Hello world" tweet in two colors
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aaronpk so what you're saying is you turned twitter into myspace
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tantek and finished with showing how you could recreate the poster for the hackfest in a single tweet + TSS
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tantek aaronpk, no we would have turned *every tweet* into a myspace
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bear ok, http://webmention.co http://webmention.me http://webmention.link and http://webmention.info all now redirect to /webmention
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aaronpk bear: lol! that's a lot of them
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aaronpk i'm keeping webmention.io the same :)
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tantek the look of horror on ev's face was hilarious, and then we realized afterwards that we likely scared them into killing off twitter annotations
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bear yea, I found that I had the others - completely forgot about them
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tantek because we'd gone the extra step of releasing TSS decoding as open source - so that *every* twitter client could trivially add support for displaying it (encoding was pretty trivial to)
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tantek and once twitter clients supported colorized tweets, there would be no turning back
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tantek to try it out, go to https://web.archive.org/web/20100603210918/http://xent.com/rtf and simply pick various options from the "presets:" pop-up menu - it will prefill the "tweet" "tss" text input fields, auto-compute the resultant "html" and then display it inline below.
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tantek https://twitter.com/hashtag/tanhf?src=hash
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/15073012195
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@t demoed Tweet Style Sheet (TSS) annotations / rich tweets w @rohitkhare, scared Paul Graham a little :) #tanhf ... http://ttk.me/t45z1 (twitter.com/_/status/15073012195)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/k/status/15084411821
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@k Watching the recorded Twitter Annotations Hackfest demos. Congrats @twitterapi and @mattknox on a successful event! #tanhf (twitter.com/_/status/15084411821)
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aaronpk oh? recorded?
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aaronpk oh hey http://readwrite.com/2010/06/02/tweeting_in_color_from_the_annotations_hackfest
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tantek and https://twitter.com/t/status/15026048124
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@t with @rohitkhare invented a way to compress CSS style declarations: ~10bytes/p:v for tweet stylesheet annotations #tanhf http://ttk.me/t45y1 (twitter.com/_/status/15026048124)
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tantek ah, back when all my POSSE tweets had permashortlinks. those were the days. ;)
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KartikPrabhu is there a link to what Twitter Annotation is?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: see above gigaom article I cited
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KartikPrabhu oh ok
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KartikPrabhu got it
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KartikPrabhu Twitter Annotation ergh!
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tantek Rohit and really did not intend to kill them, seriously
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tantek we just thought, hey, how much fun could we have with this? I mean, like really, how ridiculous a thing can we build that will be funny?
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tantek we were cracking ourselves up with laughter most of the time we were coding it. I'm sure the other teams at the hackfest thought we were mad.
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KartikPrabhu has anyone written a "New XYZ thing and what it means for the Web? Nothing. "
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tantek I mean they did call it a "hackfest", so we thought, hey, that's an invitation to see how deep we can hack this thing >:D
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KartikPrabhu tantek: would the "preview images" here: https://kartikprabhu.com/ be u-featured ?
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tantek precisely!
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tantek as in, they should have u-featured on them inside the h-entry on their permalink pages
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tantek as well as the stream I suppose
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KartikPrabhu yes! cool
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KartikPrabhu i was using u-photo because... past
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tantek and note that aaronpk has already done some brilliant brainstorming and mockup screenshot for how a u-featured image from an original post could be shown in a reply-context in a reply to that post! http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context-examples#reply_to_a_photo
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tantek the pieces are coming together
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aaronpk tantek: this is a great example of why the new u-photo rule you added to the h-entry page is important: http://aaron.pk/r4Wz1
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aaronpk note that my reply looks like a reply to a text note, not a reply to a photo
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tantek interesting!
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tantek lol: https://blog.twitter.com/2010/twitter-platform##enable%20innovations%20that%20range%20from%20Annotations
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tantek and the docs used to be at https://dev.twitter.com/docs/annotations-overview
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tantek snapshot available: http://twitterapi.pbworks.com/w/page/26438706/Annotations%20Overview?rev=1275453456
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tantek ah, back when TwitterAPI was documented on *another* silo.
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tantek "total size of bytes must be no more than 512 bytes" - plenty to cause plenty of trouble ;)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: are you creating a /Twitter_Annotations page?
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tantek here's a few blog posts lamenting their dropping: http://sqlblog.com/blogs/jamie_thomson/archive/2012/01/25/whatever-happened-to-twitter-annotations.aspx
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tantek http://www.blackrimglasses.com/2012/06/20/twitter-please-reconsider-the-platform-vs-product-decision/
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tantek and the Twitter dev forum discussion about what happened to Annotations: https://dev.twitter.com/discussions/3769
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KartikPrabhu "Would love to start using annotations to add machine readable semantics to tweets. " seriously... what motivates people to do this?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: you seem to have more resources to start a Twitter Annotations page
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tantek.com edited /link-preview (+1633) "document u-featured brainstorm" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I just did the searchings and provide a first-hand-perspective filter (since I was *there* when Annotations was announced at Chirp, and at the Annotation Hackfest)
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tantek It would be better for another person to write the page, or at least start it, with those resources
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KartikPrabhu cool... will do after work hours :P
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tantek thanks much KartikPrabhu!
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tantek for now I added / documented this at least: http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview#brainstorming (re: u-featured )
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@gasull Sandstorm Makes It Easy to Control Your Apps in the Cloud | WIRED http://www.wired.com/2014/07/out-in-the-open-sandstorm-makes-it-easy-to-control-your-apps-in-the-cloud https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/505450316167643137)
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KevinMarks__ keith just called out http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication on Gillmor Gang
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tantek which keith? teare?
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KevinMarks__ yes
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tantek oh neat! I should get to iterating on what we got working at IndieWebCamp 2014
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tantek what is Elgg?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Elgg" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Elgg
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tantek contributes http://www.zdnet.com/blog/social/run-your-own-myspace-with-elgg-spaces/17 to anyone who wants to start /Elgg
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tantek as recently summarized/quoted by benwerd: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/505209557526667265
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@benwerd Run your own 'MySpace' (an interview with me from November 2006) #tbt #indieweb http://www.zdnet.com/blog/social/run-your-own-myspace-with-elgg-spaces/17 (twitter.com/_/status/505209557526667265)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.edugeekjournal.com/2014/08/29/symphony-or-cacophony-cracking-the-code-of-tool-selection-in-moocs/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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KartikPrabhu interesting situation. My reply is "under moderation" presumably because I didn't use Twitter or FB. I wonder if the author gets notifications at all. http://mediajunkie.com/2014/right-then-enough-of-that/#comment-7245
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KartikPrabhu fragmentions.js users: does this issue capture what you'd expect fragmentions.js to do: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/fragmentions/issues/2 ?
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KartikPrabhu note simplified examples
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, having some weird trouble signing in on an alternate page at the moment with my site
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aaronpk i'm giving bittorrent sync a hard time on this thread :) https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/504689047487258624
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@aaronpk I was *this close* to ditching my Dropbox subscription and switching to Bittorrent Sync, but then they went and... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/27/2/dropbox-btsync (twitter.com/_/status/504689047487258624)
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npdoty has anyone talked with Tumblr about the possibility of WebMention support?
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npdoty it occurs to me that they already have this "notes" concept at the bottom of every post (their term for "reactions", which includes likes and reblogs and responses)
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npdoty and it would be a pretty cool advocacy for having your own indie blog to say: hey, you can interact with your friends on Tumblr and your friends on Facebook and your friends on Twitter, all from the same place
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KartikPrabhu npdoty: you'd have to give Tumblr a good reason to do that then ^
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npdoty and I could even imagine a kind of shim, where you set-up a Tumblr account and then Bridgy posts little pointers to your posts to a Tumblr account that interacts with other Tumblr accounts
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snarfed npdoty: totally! sounds like a great feature. it's halfway there already, since it uses the tumblr API
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snarfed actually good timing, we started thinking about similar features for wordpress.com and disqus yesterday. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/271 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/270
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/contact
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ben_thatmustbeme i still need to finish up the markup for it
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ben_thatmustbeme if you login you get additional entries (if you are white listed)
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, you may appreciate this. though it is designed to look android-y not ios-y
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aaronpk way fewer new pages this week
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aaronpk tons of edits tho
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: that's ok and even great! variants welcome!
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tantek diversity++
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bear I for one welcome android-y examples ben_thatmustbeme
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bear since I have zero design skills and will be borrowing heavily from it ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, my design skills aren't great, but i can hack up css
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ben_thatmustbeme bear, you want me to white-list you so you can see the rest of it
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bear please
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bear I just signed in with my domain
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bear wow
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bear ben_thatmustbeme++ on that /contact page
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++
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aaronpk really well done!
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: beautiful!
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ben_thatmustbeme bear, you should be whitelisted now. login and you should see plenty more
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bear cool
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ben_thatmustbeme well "plenty"
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bear :)
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ben_thatmustbeme like 6 more items or so
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: that's a UI prototype right? because those items are just navigation links AFAIK - not actual "contact" URLs per http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication
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aaronpk some of them are contact URLs
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, the ones i felt it made sense for are
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KevinMarks__ G+ rather than Hangouts
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ben_thatmustbeme most of those require login
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KevinMarks__ this fits the "apps with difernt modalities have differnt icons" idea
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ben_thatmustbeme i wish hangouts had a way to link to start a connection
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tantek aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme contact URLs are not just "elsewhere" URLs
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tantek they're supposed to *initiate* contact
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aaronpk right. the first several are real contact URLs
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tantek not just take you to another profile where get distracted by another list of posts
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, good point I'll likely split them up
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tantek aaronpk - no, NONE of them are "real contact URLs"
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aaronpk you must be looking at something else
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tantek http://ben.thatmustbe.me/contact
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tantek as posted above
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ben_thatmustbeme i wanted to put all my "digital card" in one place" i was thinking more as "contact list entry" not "contact me"
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tantek *all* of them take you to another profile where get distracted by another list of posts
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aaronpk SMS, email, call, AIM, fb message are all real contact URLs
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, login and you will see those
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tantek ohhh ok
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ben_thatmustbeme sms, email, call, aim, fb are all white-list only
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tantek so those make sense then as contact buttons
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tantek other profiles don't really - since they just provide another form of non-contact distraction
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ben_thatmustbeme i need some way to divide the list. But i want to still have elsewhere links for people to connect me with other locations
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tantek why not use the Twitter DM link at least?
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tantek instead of just to your Twitter profile?
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ben_thatmustbeme i have both, but you are correct, doesn't make sense to have that behind white-list and the twitter link not
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tantek similarly with FB - since you're already providing your FB id -
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ben_thatmustbeme true
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tantek use FB Messenger link instead
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tantek and then from a UI perspective, providing profile links actually makes it *worse*
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tantek since you're diluting contact links with non-contact links
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tantek and worsening the paradox of choice
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tantek some of which don't even perform a contact function! so it becomes a guessing game as to which buttons actually "work" to contact you vs. read you
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ben_thatmustbeme i agree, i need to categorize Contact vs Follow type of idea
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ben_thatmustbeme non login shows FB message and Twitter DM now
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KevinMarks__ desperately trying to patch email's bad affordances: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/opinion/end-the-tyranny-of-24-7-email.html?_r=0
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aaronpk "At the Toronto office of Edelman, the global public relations firm, managers created the “7-to-7” rule. Employees are strongly discouraged from emailing one another before 7 a.m. and after 7 p.m."
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KevinMarks__ "They also start using phone calls and face-to-face chats to resolve issues quickly, so they don’t metastasize into email threads the length of “War and Peace.”"
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KevinMarks__ oh fuck
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Loqi hehe
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KevinMarks__ missing the point on steroids
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tantek KevinMarks: hahahah
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aaronpk hm, not sure where in the chain this is happening, but caseorganic noticed that some of the comments here say "mentioned this on twitter.com" instead of showing the tweet text http://cyborgcamp.com/2014/08/cyborgcamp-mit/
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aaronpk oh funny... that's actually Lin's favorite of benwerd's tweet that's showing that
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ha yeah I have noticed one instance of that too
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tantek snarfed, kylewm possible Bridgy bug? ^^^
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snarfed aaronpk: probably expected, due to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/154
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog#mentions here the 2nd tantek face is tantek fav-ing a tweet which mentioned this post
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snarfed (aaronpk, tantek, this is actually part of what you all have been advocating for: stricter interpretation of what's considered a direct reply/like vs just a mention :P)
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aaronpk ok
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snarfed aaronpk, assuming you're using pfefferle's wp plugins, i believe he always just renders "mentioned this" for mentions, no snippet
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aaronpk well +1 from caseorganic then, she just made a comment to me about how weird it was that some of the tweets only say "mentioned"
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aaronpk snarfed: there's several tweets that show the full tweet text and "via twitter.com" at the bottom
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snarfed aaronpk: yes, i expect those were sent with u-reply or u-like-of, as opposed to just u-mention
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snarfed details in the issue i linked
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aaronpk ah ok
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tantek snarfed, hence "possible … bug", as I figured I was likely just getting confused ;)
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snarfed tantek: agreed! trying to get all the semantics right, for all cases, is complex and confusing.
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snarfed this is also closely related to distinguishing posse from non-posse, like we've been discussing
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snarfed the logic that's running now is (i think) the best consensus we have so far, minus KevinMarks's 24h heuristic. we'll definitely keep iterating! feedback welcome on the wiki and on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 and https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/154
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ben_thatmustbeme split the contacts up more
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ben_thatmustbeme have to run for the train
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ben_thatmustbeme i know there are errors in it
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ben_thatmustbeme gotta go
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tantek iteration++
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tantek KevinMarks: re: that NYT email article, what if I told you I just did an experiment with waiting a week to read email? Forget 7-7 rule, about the the every 7 days rule?
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KevinMarks__ nice
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tantek and I didn't miss that much, and the actionable things I did miss (expired) were not really a big loss.
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tantek this is really interesting
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KevinMarks__ I kind of do that, in that I don't ever "process all" email but I let "important" ping my phone
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tantek I have a whitelist that pings my phone
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tantek "phone" haha. I might as well call it a jeejah http://anathem.wikia.com/wiki/Jeejah
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KevinMarks__ my "watch" is a wrist-mounted notification displayer
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tantek KevinMarks, did you see this? https://twitter.com/haxor/status/503740369192771584
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@haxor How to Internet: 1) Read cool post 2) Leave supportive comment & link 3) Receive email from author saying comment is spam 4) They delete it. (twitter.com/_/status/503740369192771584)
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KevinMarks__ so likely a jeejah too
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tantek what happened to Brett Slatkin when he commented referencing POSSE on that winer post
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tantek trying to get him to upload a screenshot of his comment to the indiewebcamp wiki
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tantek you know, for an example of a /Disqus silo comment
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tantek and a real world example of why you should #ownyourcomments
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KevinMarks__ irony: http://scripting.com/2014/08/27/#a1409147402
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npdoty snarfed, opened https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/272 in case the documentation helps
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snarfed npdoty: thanks!
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@kevinmarks that's annoying, @haxor - did you post the comment on your own site too? That's what @davewiner recommends http://scripting.com/2014/08/27/#a1409147402 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/505471741494185984)
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aaronpk !tell tantek this is relevant to the email discussion earlier: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2010/01/27/2/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk interesting, just noticed twitter disables the RT button when viewing a private account's tweets
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bret not sure if this was posted yet. another back to the blog postings http://inessential.com/2014/08/27/waffle_on_social_media
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snarfed nice nick 18VAAQP55 :P
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KevinMarks_ hm
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KevinMarks_ I think thats what comes after KevinMarks____
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aaronpk hm I believe I may have inadvertently implemented the new h-entry photo rule for my collections http://aaronparecki.com/collections/2014/08/14/1/
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KevinMarks_ we paved your cowpath?
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aaronpk KevinMarks++
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KevinMarks Site death justified by massive name dropping http://yahooeng.tumblr.com/post/96098168666/important-announcement-regarding-yui
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aaronpk I wasn't sure what you mean, then I read it, and holy cow
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KartikPrabhu "isomorphic single page applications" say what!
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