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## #indiewebcamp 2014-08-28

2014-08-28 UTC
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# yes I'm here too
# KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 48 minutes ago: were you able to reach out to the usual Chicago hopefuls? Mari and I forget the other person's name that has @-replied a bunch on Twitter about Chicago HWC
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# Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
# like me :)
# so how long until I take off the "beta" sticker from the irc web chat? :)
# maybe after I get indieauth sign-in to work with it?
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gRegor
Welcome, pitchdesignunion!
#
pitchdesignunion
what is web mention
# It looks like we don't have a page for "web mention" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=web+mention
#
pitchdesignunion
what is webmention
# Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
# created /web_mention (+23) "r" (view diff)
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# ooo cambridge getting closer
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# #indieweb @kevinmarks: heading up to homebrew website club now at Mozilla (twitter.com/_/status/504791337867018240)
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# greetings from @MozSF!
# hello from @esripdx!
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# so far it's just me and lucasgonze here @MozSF
# though KevinMarks is on his way
# howdy from @DENAirport
# kylewm: tantek left you a message on 8/27 at 12:15am: one more (hopefully minor this time) Bridgy Publish to FB request. Could I have it say "Originally published at: PostPermalinkURL" instead of "(PostPermalinkURL)" at end of FB POSSE copy? Trying for more human-friendly (paren syntax was intended for Twitter where chars are tight).
# hi from SF
# bret lol
# i mean...
# pdx
# hi SF
# chatting about https://github.com/cast-blu/Ephemeral-Boilerplate/ Edwards boiloerplate project
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# 5 at pdx today!
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# starting intros
# wehave a few new people here
# bret.io - static site hosted on github pages
# (SF is mostly looking at Twitter Analytics and noting how little links actually get clicked)
# working on getting micropub working for his static site so other apps can post to his site
# this past week got continuous integration tests working
# and code coverage tests
# next step is getting post templates working for the micropub client
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# the weblogs update live!
# :D
# ðŸ˜»
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#
aaronpk_web
hi from the web page!
# we are all exploring the newly launched https://analytics.twitter.com
# real time irc
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# KevinMarks: is trying to get his latest noterlive working on Heroku, some node nightmare.
# tom: mathpunk.net
# next things: get side comments working on his site (paragraph level comments)
# #indiewebcamp I am using http://t.co/aR90v2Qhkd, but thanks to a heroku deployment nightmare I have to use http://peaceful-headland-3727.herokuapp.com/ help! (twitter.com/_/status/504805214415642624)
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# hi npdoty
# hello from pdx
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# SF: tantek and tantek.com
# SF: Lucas Gonze and gonze.com
# bret is demoing kartik's site
# SF: Michael Verdi, works at Mozilla, I blog sometimes at michaelverdi.com
# … and blog.mozilla.org/verdi
# SF: Liza Sperling, here with KevinMarks, her first time, lizasperling.com a blogger site and is a noob, here to learn
# SF: Ben, werd.io
# #indieweb @lizasperling: I'm new here and I'm at http://www.lizasperling.com/ and here to learn (twitter.com/_/status/504806038348890112)
# … work at a place called Known, and indieweb startup
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# .. (co-founded)
# … the first indieweb startup
#
expandrew
discussing / demonstrating http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention
# tom: use case is publishing early drafts of his book and letting people comment on paragraphs
# #indieweb @benwerd: my site is werd.io, and I work at Known - http://withknown.com - the first indieweb startup (twitter.com/_/status/504806238551412737)
# #indieweb @t: if you go to http:///irc/2014-08-27 you get the new IRC with the ability to post (twitter.com/_/status/504806453115252736)
# npdoty: npdoty.name
# passing through portland from seattle!
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hellooooo
# has been writing academic papers, wants them to be on the web rather than sending PDFs around
#
webbenwerd
aaronpk: I now believe there are at least four of you
# #indieweb @t: basically a bunch of us trolled @aaronpk into writing a web-based irc client that is better then any actual client (twitter.com/_/status/504806690064039936)
# wants a workflow to be able to write on the web, then export PDFs for the people who still require that
# #indieweb @lucas_gonze: usually web irc clients are horrible, but http:///irc/2014-08-27 is really light and clean (twitter.com/_/status/504806910848024576)
# now working on graphics
# #indieweb @t: if you add your nickname, your url and your avatar image to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people your face will show in the irc logs (twitter.com/_/status/504807152414760960)
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# Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for #indiewebcamp. Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (twitter.com/_/status/504807194076794880)
# RT @benwerd: Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for #indiewebcamp. Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (twitter.com/_/status/504807351602278400)
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+20) "no Minneapolis meetup this week!" (view diff)
# (and yes these papers are actually on his personal website!)
# RT @benwerd: Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for #indiewebcamp. Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta (twitter.com/_/status/504807544552824832)
# SF: Lucas made a URL shortener for himself on his own site
# argh
# npdoty: interested in privacy implications and pseudonym usage in the indieweb
# aaronpk: feature request - links opening in a new window ;)
# #indieweb @lucas_gonze: I finally made aa url shortener for myself, and here's a gist for how https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f (twitter.com/_/status/504807981477666816)
# benwerd: lol yeah snarfed already sent a PR foer that :)
# … Lucas wrote the entire thing during Writing Hour, sitting here!
# … Lucas: uses a .htaccess file for the "storage" of the "IDs" and the destination URLs
# … that htaccess file lives on its own subdomain s.gonze.com so it can use a dedicated htaccess
# ...separating the reading from the writing so that if you follow all the same people from two pseudonyms you don't need to duplicate data
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# … make a dedicate domain that supports htaccess
# … ssh in there
# … go to random.org that generates good random numbers
# … use the page to generate random strings integers, upper/lower letters, create 10k
# … save them to a txt file
# andrew: expandrew.com
# … create an htaccess file using an awk script
# … to convert each random number to a Rewrite rule
# ... in a web development course on epicodus learning ruby on rails, 8 weeks into it
# … used 10k random strings to avoid sequential crawling
# ... first experience doing anything on the web, studied architecture at UO and now back in PDX
# #indieweb @lucas_gonze: a wholly static URL shortener that just uses prexisting random strings https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f (twitter.com/_/status/504808866710708225)
# ... was following indiewebcamp for 2 years and now ready to dive in
# ... uses a private twitter account that nobody follows to post quick thoughts, but wants to move those to his own place
# ... also uses tumblr but wants to move off
# SF: Tantek: need help with new section http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with
# ... has had his own domain/hosting since middle school
# #indieweb @t: I need help with fixing the rel-me auth PHP library doing rel-me auth handling with twitter. I added http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with (twitter.com/_/status/504809229346021376)
# #indieweb @t: never mind saving the world, fix your own site first. Sometimes you need to ask for help (twitter.com/_/status/504809332618190848)
# ... next step is building a private twitter clone in ruby on rails for private notes
# ... has a mac mini at home with a raspberry pi running openvpn, wants to run his private server there so it's not even on the internet
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# SF: benwerd - got a need help with thing, posting audio
#
gRegor-phone
Hello, hello
# … has a UI now, can press it an upload media
# gRegor-phone: tantek left you a message on 3/25 at 12:45am: it's not a DRY violation if you only have one feed.html page which has your latest posts, *instead of* your home page. XML/RDF feeds are typically DRY violations because they *DUPLICATE* what's already on your home page.
# gRegor-phone: bret left you a message 3 weeks, 4 days ago: just updated the next HWC wiki page, can you look to make sure chicago details look right?
# … on desktop it works. on mobile it either doesn't work or crashes
# #indieweb @benwerd: Ineed help with posting audio on known - we have the ability to upload audio, but on mobile it fails a lot. (twitter.com/_/status/504809724491988992)
# … trying to figure out how to let people upload audio, on a mobile device, on a web page
#
gRegor-phone
Whoa. what's with the ancient tells?
# … doing it now on an andoird
# whoa... backtick?
# … by recording separately to a file
# … and then using Firefox to upload it
# #indieweb @benwerd: chrome on android strips out the file extension of the mp3 so I have to use Firefox (twitter.com/_/status/504809927131414528)
#
gRegor-phone
I haven't used this nick before, that I can remember
# … can't use Chrome because Chrome strips the file extension of an audio file when it uploads
# … (this is all on Android)
# #indieweb @benwerd: If I use GetUserMedia it saves as Wav files - I'd rather it was mp3 files (twitter.com/_/status/504810022010748928)
# next up: jennifer
# doesn't yet have a domain name
#
gRegor-phone
just testing out beta chat in Nexus 4 Chrome. Works like a charm.
# ...writer by profession, works on docs at symantec in eugene
# hello
# gRegor - possible that some message(s) were left for gRegor (without a backtick)
# following multiple scribes writing in parallel is awesome/hard
# #indieweb @benwerd: I also made the software on my site between 3 and 20 times faster yesterday, so thats good. (twitter.com/_/status/504810490216710144)
# ... was involved in academia in the past, who were some of the first people to take advantage of the web
#
gRegor-phone
interesting if Loqi only does too* matching.
# is done
# ... the Labyrinth, a compliation of research and teaching tools
#
gRegor-phone
s/too/foo/
# gRegor-phone meant to say: interesting if Loqi only does foo* matching.
# ... the Web was a real gift for people to be able show students things that were otherwise very inaccessible (microfishe, or physical items in locked cases)
# ... in the past year has been trying to put some things together for herself
# SF: Liza tried to sign in to the wiki with lizasperling.com and G+ and it gave an error
# ... has been going to writethedocs conference and meetups in pdx
# #indieweb @t: do you have links to your profile on your site? You should be able to login (twitter.com/_/status/504811053822115840)
# ... has her own stuff she wants to write about, first step is needs a blog
# ... would rather build up a blog from scratch. also because she wants to develop top-of-the-stack skills, background is in raw HTML/CSS from a while ago.
# tantek: note the two troubleshooting items here http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Why_is_Google.2B_not_working
# kevinmarks, lizasperling see ^^^
# SF: Michael Verdi - needs help with WordPress, seems to get hacked a lot
# … is tired of it, doesn't want to deal with it
# … needs help with it
# … would like to keep 10 years of archives
# … but does have auto-updates working
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# next up: edward
# ... works at UTI doing UX work
#
npd
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# ... current domain is castersblues.com but uses it mostly just for a cool email address
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# SF: Michael Verdi - had a pharmahack problem due to an old wordpress plugin
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# SF: Michael Verdi - I like my Mozilla blog because other people take care of it
# aaronpk, in the Web client, only one word that follows a "/me" seems to actually make it to the channel
# … but then I can't do anything with it
# ... bought a new domain recently
# SF: Lucas - think about - embrace the transient nature of the web
# #indieweb @lucas_gonze: I disabled a blog that I haven't touched for a few years; embrace the transient nature of the web. (twitter.com/_/status/504813324073070592)
# SF: KevinMarks - there are tools that will help you turn your site in just a set of static pages if you want to freeze a site
# ... working on his own CSS framework
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# #indieweb @kevinmarks: what @pinboard said was to run wordpress locally and use wget to make a static site from it (twitter.com/_/status/504813681192878081)
# RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @lucas_gonze: I disabled a blog that I haven't touched for a few years; embrace the transient nature of the web. (twitter.com/_/status/504813712294043648)
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# That can work. Just using wget
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+16) "add Jennifer (no website yet)" (view diff)
# a theme in the PDX discussions is that we all should be blogging about our work in progress, because the others would be interested in reading about it, even if it's not finished yet
# concurs
# !tell aaronpk intersting indieauth problem with lizasperling.com - Google is adding a rel-me to https://plus.google.com/107379489464447013340 but that redirects to https://plus.google.com/+LizaSperling which gets rejected by indieauth
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# blogging also seems to have a disproportionate community effect - blog posts seem to get a lot of attention, are reshared, get lots of thoughtful replies, etc
# KevinMarks__: weird... will look at that later... I thought it was checking intermediate redirects for matches too
# aaronpk: KevinMarks__ left you a message 46 seconds ago: intersting indieauth problem with lizasperling.com - Google is adding a rel-me to https://plus.google.com/107379489464447013340 but that redirects to https://plus.google.com/+LizaSperling which gets rejected by indieauth
# If any of you are Lift users, there's a "write 500 words a day" challenge - I'm using that to blog. Totally think you all should join me.
# SF: Michael Verdi is using ftp to edit his htaccess file so he can enable his WordPress to edit
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+376) "/* Notes */ Chicago" (view diff)
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# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+19) "user: link for Lucas" (view diff)
# discussion of Google Web Starter Kit, see: https://developers.google.com/web/starter-kit/
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+39) "/* RSVP */ Adding Margot" (view diff)
# what is Lift?
# It looks like we don't have a page for "Lift" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Lift
# What is Google Web Starter Kit?
# Google Web Starter Kit is front-end code boilerplate and "tooling for multi-device development" http://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Web_Starter_Kit
# created /User:Gonze.com (+84) "Created page with "An indie shortener I made: https://gist.github.com/lucasgonze/c5d935823ef17f5ffa3f"" (view diff)
# kylewm: it's an app that aims to help you build good habits. I'm a fan.
# KevinMarks, add to http://indiewebcamp.com/Blogger#Issues re: not being able to add arbitrary rel=me links in that particular template
# bret talking about using private tumblor blogs as a backup of content
# I still don't fully understand this Google Web Starter Kit, but it does sound nice (like: "Reload the browser in real-time anytime an edit is made without the need for an extension.")
# aaronpk - why private? I use tantek.tumblr.com as a public backup of other silo posts - /PESETAS style
# Web Starter Kit took a bit for me to grok too
# npdoty - feel free to add questions to the wiki page on Web Starter Kit
# it is halfway between html5boilerplate and Bootstrap
# sounds like it uses (or is similar to) this gulp.js build tool: http://gulpjs.com/
# yes, it comes with gulp serve, for example
# but they don't expect you to ever pull from them again after your intial one
# SF: Michael Verdi was able to update his htaccess to allow editing his WordPress and added a rel=me link and successfully logged into the wiki!
# it's a super fancy template
# my PESATAS of pinboard http://physisima.tumblr.com
# created /PESATAS (+21) "r" (view diff)
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+54) "/* Photos */ Chi photo placeholder" (view diff)
# uploaded /File:20140828-022724.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aar*@*recki.com>"
# created /User:Michaelverdi.com (+132) "Created page with "Hi I'm Michael Verdi.<br> Blogs: *[http://michaelverdi.com michaelverdi.com] *[http://blog.mozilla.org/verdi blog.mozilla.org/verdi]"" (view diff)
# what is PESOS
# hm I wonder what his email adderss is
# edited /pesos (-18) "redirect" (view diff)
# what is PESOS?
# PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site http://indiewebcamp.com/pesos
# interesting I'll have to check in to that web starter kit tomorrow
# edited /Blogger (+405) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
# edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:20140828-022724.jpg]]"" (view diff)
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# Loqi, what is PESETAS?
# PESETAS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate Everything To A Silo http://indiewebcamp.com/PESETAS
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gRegor
tantek: ^ Look! Chicago photo! We're real.
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# deleted /File:20140828-022724.jpg "bad rotation"
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* Photos */ resize and spacing" (view diff)
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gRegor
I like that Riker is still on the glass, aaronpk :) Or is that a normal ESRI thing?
# gRegor: lol yeah we leave them up
# and today Jennifer registered her domain! (no hosting set up yet) http://yourmom.io/
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gRegor
suhweet domain
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gRegor
surprised it wasn't taken
# so were ALL OF US
# we all pretty much said GET IT NOW OMG
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gRegor
Hahah
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# wrapping up here!
# wish links on ?beta would all open new pages when logged in
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# !tell benwerd my replies to you still don't seem to show up! lemme know if I should stop bugging you about it https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/08/28/1/maybe-like-judd-apatow-movies-definitely
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# great photo KartikPrabhu, hahah
# KartikPrabhu: gRegor left you a message 21 minutes ago: Nice smile. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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gRegor
I didn't even look after taking the photo. Just noticed when I uploaded it.
# CalvinPrabhu
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gRegor
The relatively easy way I figured to upload photos directly from the phone is to add a link to the non-existent file on the wiki page (via desktop), then on the phone click the file link and it prompts for the upload.
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+98) "/* Photos */ SF photo" (view diff)
# verdi_ ooo that one is not my to-listen list :P
# s/not/on
# KartikPrabhu meant to say: verdi_ ooo that one is on my to-listen list :P
# :)
# michel_v, and lucasgonze add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
# edited /IRC_People (+120) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
# edited /IRC_People (-45) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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# created /Template:verdi (+185) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/499017446842310656/pryl_eia_400x400.jpeg}}[[User:Michaelverdi.com|Michael Verdi" target="_blank">User:Michaelverdi.com|Michael" target="_blank">https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/499017446842310656/pryl_eia_400x400.jpeg}}[[User:Michaelverdi.com|Michael Verdi]]..."" (view diff)
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# Totally having a blast at the Homebrew Website Club http://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc (twitter.com/_/status/504834332645539840)
# SF: benwerd just recovered fatberg.org - stay tuned for updates!
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# @bali_maha Going through #withknown setup process now. Test tweet from http://known.jenniferenglund.net/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/504844227386552321)
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# !tell npdoty I am also interested in having web (read HTML) versions of my papers (traditionally written in Latex) any good recommendations for writing in a common format (markdown?) and then exporting to HTML/Latex/PDF as need be?
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# KartikPrabhu, yeah!
# npdoty: KartikPrabhu left you a message 39 seconds ago: I am also interested in having web (read HTML) versions of my papers (traditionally written in Latex) any good recommendations for writing in a common format (markdown?) and then exporting to HTML/Latex/PDF as need be?
# oh hi! :)
# I need to write up a blog post with the process I'm using now
# yes please :)
# I still write in Latex because my advisor/collaborators do but it pretty much sucks
# but the very short version is: write in Markdown, use Pandoc + citeproc to render to HTML and to LaTeX/PDF, a Makefile and a few custom filters to add bells and whistles
# happens to be in the channel because he's writing up an email/blog post about tonight's meeting
# tried pandoc about 3 years ago... wasn't that mature then I think
# does the math come out in MathML ?
# KartikPrabhu: some colleagues of mine are using it, seems more stable, but not sure about MathML.
# neuro: I mainly do mathematical physics so papers are filled with a lot of math-stuff
# They use Pandoc with some other things to turn huge projcets code into ebooks so they can read the code on the beach.
# KartikPrabhu: this explains that, and the fact you're still using LateX
# MathJax is great but I would rather have math in MathML by defualt instead of latex soup
# neuro: Latex is horrible. so many wasted hours getting the layout right!
# Blog: The Personal Blog (about @fredwilson post). #blogging, #indieweb. http://t37.net/the-personal-blog.html (twitter.com/_/status/504868628173684739)
# KartikPrabhu: yeah, last time I used it was 11 years ago and I'm happy I don't have anymore, even though the rendering is awesome.
# I appreciate that, until my webmention-sending code is running automatically, I can reply to a post of aaronpk and then just paste my URL on his page and click a button
# aaronpk++
# aaronpk has 554 karma
# npdoty: webmention forms are brilliant! advantage of just using plain old HTMl + HTTP
# npdoty: afaik webmention forms were first used by adactio
# Unfortunately, too few sites support it.
# neuro: the rendering can be fixed (and made much better) with CSS! :)
# KartikPrabhu, I also don't know how MathML works with regard to Pandoc
# ... but I can confirm that the project is mature and well-maintained now
# neuro: you can make your own form like so: https://kartikprabhu.com/connection/webmentionsender ;)
# ... and Professor MacFarlane (in Philosophy at Berkeley) has been extremely responsive when I've filed bugs
# npdoty: good to know... will take it for a spin and await eagerly your blog post on it :)
# KartikPrabhu: was more thinking about the endpoint. I need to add that on my publishing tool too.
# ... and in general Pandoc is extensible via filters (which can run arbitrary code on an intermediate object form of any piece of writing) or just via piping tools
# neuro: aah yes that is an issue. hopefully soon people will warm up to having their own sites
# KartikPrabhu: lovely, loving the form.
# neuro: I should add more details on the page about how it parses for links and all tht
# npdoty: from pandoc homepage "Several different methods of rendering math in HTML are provided, including MathJax and translation to MathML" !!! oh man!
# there you go!
# jumps with excitement!
# I have noticed that when I go looking for whether a feature exists, jgm has often already considered or even implemented it
# npdoty: signs of a good library :)
# alrighty! must sleep... have more math+latex to write tomorrow :P
# thanks npdoty and neuro
# night Loqi!
# yeah!
# Have a good night KartikPrabhu
# gute nacht!
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# good evening neuro! add yourself with an image to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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# tantek: good morning. Sure will do.
# edited /IRC_People (+55) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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# KevinMarks_: we actually have a ticket aboutimplementing Webmention (been around for 1 year I think), and I'd love to see that moving forward.
# I love it.
# Known looks really awesome
# It's getting there. Learned a lot watching Liza set it up tonight
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#
eliemichel
npdoty: Interested in your paper rendering workflow too. Made a parser to add TeX math to markdown files and ease layout
#
eliemichel
about a year ago
#
eliemichel
but I have problems with page cut when exporting it to pdf
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#
eliemichel
I had problems with custom paragraphs too (such as theorem, or proof) that I wanted to add to markdown. my syntax is almost ugly
#
eliemichel
I think it would be nice to have a look at the format used in wikies
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# Just watched recently posted talk by Tantek Çelik @t 'The once and future IndieWeb' - great presentation https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/504928405243297792)
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# RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @lucas_gonze: usually web irc clients are horrible, but http:///irc/2014-08-27 is really light and clean (twitter.com/_/status/504950293394898944)
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# edited /User:Colintedford.com (+260) "/* Former setup & practices */ POSSE to LJ" (view diff)
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# good morning
#
eliemichel
'morning
#
eliemichel
(It's 4pm where I am =P)
# Good morning UGT
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# what is everyone up to today?
# It looks like we don't have a page for "everyone up to today" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=everyone+up+to+today
# ugh..
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# Un service pour gérer les pingbacks qui peut être utile á l'occasion : webmention.io (twitter.com/_/status/505001312182759424)
# edited /IRC_People (+80) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
# created /User:Miche.lv (+16) "Created page with "Michel Valdrighi"" (view diff)
# my first connection using web sign-in :)
# I don't understand why the website's twitter app needs to read my timeline and the list of accounts that I follow though
# but maybe these privileges are by default and can't be renounced
# michel_v: welcome! I believe that’s the case, yes
# michel_v: github sign in is less permissive if it really bugs you
# oh it doesn't bug me, I was just surprised :)
# huh, that is surprising. I always log in with G+ so i never noticed
# also, welcome michel_v
# thanks. been lurking forever
# it’s not documented very much but you can also authenticate using GPG if you link to your public key with rel=pgpkey
# wow
# awesome
# nice, I'll try that someday. is the implementation opensource?
# theres really no code for it, just put a link on your page to it and there is a new option when you go to log in
# but on the other side, the code for being an indieauth server is open source
# michel_v: yep! it’s here: https://github.com/aaronpk/indieauth
# thanks
# michel_v are you just going to be using static pages or some software for your site?
# well I don't really have a website where others could log in anymore
# michel_v: been a while since you didn't blog
# I was childless the last time
# Webmention a l'air cool comme protocole de notification pour de la décentralisation : https://github.com/converspace/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/505007293214511104)
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# RT @zKooky: Webmention a l'air cool comme protocole de notification pour de la décentralisation : https://github.com/converspace/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/505008382097776640)
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# Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
# !tell KartikPrabhu I'm trying to webmention you but getting 'Source URL does not contain a link to the target URL' .. does it not like the fragmention? or does it not check the 'in-reply-to' from http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/8/28/1/_
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# ben_thatmustbeme: just a guess, i bet Kartik is looking for u-in-reply-to instead of rel-in-reply-to
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# oh crud, did i mess that up
# i really need to go over the mf on my site
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# kylewm, so I kave seen u-in-reply-to p-in-reply-to for classes and rel="in-reply-to" which i use
# so confused
# ben_thatmustbeme: you didn't mess it up, rel=in-reply-to is fine. i'm just speculating that maybe kartik is expecting the other one
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# since your reply-to is a simple url, you'll want to use class="u-in-reply-to" ... if it were a full reply context, that is when people use class="p-in-reply-to h-cite"
# u-* properties just mean that the property is parsed like a url
# oh i see, if i had a clip of the text i'm replying do, i tag that as p-in-reply-to
# its not "this text is in reply to X" its "this text is what i am replying to"
# ben_thatmustbeme: exactly, a /reply-context
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# makes much more sense to me now
# edited /webactions (+366) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Scott Gilbertson since ~2014-06-09" (view diff)
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# well in any case, that didn't work, still getting that same error
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# according to the wiki he is using ronkyuu
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# i'm thinking maybe it doesn't match because of the fragmention
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# ben_thatmustbeme: you’re using PHP right? I think cURL has some issues with fragmention links — either stripping the fragment, or changing the escaping somehow
# remember that ## is not actually valid
# my site doesn’t accept fragmention comments correctly, and I think the successful ones I’ve sent have been sent manually
# the second one needs to be escaped for URL parsers to handle it
# i use php, but that shouldn't matter, I'm submitting the webmention on his site form too
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# hmm, so maybe if i change it to be in reply to with only 1 # (which the JS code on his site seems to support)
# but all his internal links using fragmentions use ##
# I am regretting the ##
# but it's so iconic :)
# IMO # has basically zero overlap with existing @id behaviour, so there’s not really any reason to use ##
# existing services already overload single # (e.g. superfeedr with their CSS-selector-in-hash fragment subscriptions)
# I don't remember why fragmentations don't use a URL Param (i.e. '?frag=') instead of ##.
# query strings are not for page-level selectors
# Fair enough.
# Because they need to be handled client side, which # is
# also ?frag would probably collide with some site somewhere. I don’t think query string param names are something you can standardise
# at least without ugly namespacing, e.g. all the ?utm_source rubbish
# True.
# i am thinking of dropping back entirely to single # the JS seems to handle it fine just about everywhere i've seen them
# The worry about overlap with ids in practice doesn't matter as a lot of the existing cases are accessing subheadings anyway (eg our wiki)
#
gRegor
Why not hashbang for fragmentions? ;)
# also IDs can't have spaces so as soon as you target more than one word you can't overlap
# plus you just add a second word and you are very much unlikely to have a conflict with an ID
# the ## is very recognizable (good as iconic branding) and immediately gives a clue as to what it does
# Note: I wasn't questioning the usage. I just couldn't remember why.
#
gRegor
It does? To non-technical people?
#
gRegor
Re: "clue to what it does"
# But as it is an invalid url, it breaks a lot of code
# from a UX perspective, it is a very nice minimal, recognizable, and implied meaningful addition to URLs
# unlike all the alternatives for all the reasons people have given above already
# And what's wrong with a single hash? Just that you could potentially have collisions with a single word fragmentation and an ID?
# as it is an invalid URL, it is safer to use and not have false positives
# mko - what aaronpk said above
# I must have missed it. <heads to the logs>
# literally the previous thing he said
# All in all, this isn't even the problem, I switched to a single # and KartikPrabhu's site is still telling me 'Source URL does not contain a link to the target URL'
# in addition - it is quite new and different technology (no implied uniqueness etc.) and thus *not* overloading the single "#" which already is quite overloaded was a good idea.
#
gRegor
Still using rel-in-reply-to, ben_thatmustbeme? Maybe he's not parsing that correctly.
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# i added u-in-reply-to i don't think an extra rel= would cause that issue
#
gRegor
ah
# i'm wondering if it doesn't like any # on it
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gRegor
You're using his form to send wm, or sending from your server?
# I think it is better seen as making fragment addressing actually useful
# tantek, the thing is, there is already an established, minimal, recognizable format to jump down to a specified part of a page, that happens to be #, the only real change is the plumbing of what it can find, fragmention becomes just an expansion of the existing and well known / supported #
# gRegor, i am using his form
# gRegor i always miss your backtick
#
gRegor
:)
# ben_thatmustbeme: but it's oddly fragile then, as some words will just not work on some pages because it will go their ID instead of first occurence
# and oddly fragile tech is usually a sign you overloaded too much
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# also, it lends itself nicely to further extension
# But a single word is a degenerate case
# KevinMarks: have used them a bunch of times
# not as degenerate as you think - especially for rare words
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# hm I have never used a single-word fragmention yet
# onto further extension - you could use ### to express *two* phrases, a fragmention from and to, to indicate a longer block like a blockquote, without having to fragmention all of its text
# If we make it highlight the phrase rather than the paragraph, that would encourage use of more words
# I like the idea of something like ##from+text#to+text
# then it could highlight evething in between
# right
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# That is like the paragraph transcluding idea
# except too many "#" in text now thanks to hashtags
# KevinMarks: not like - but rather the only thing we need to make <blockquote cite> work
# do we need to use added #'s or can we use some other char?
# If you use an ellipsis … to imply
# oh right!
# #from..to
# er ...
# and text has ellipsis too
# too common
# ###from+text##to+text
# looks like a natural extension of ##
#
gRegor
hash soup
# or heck
# why not just ##from##to ?
# seems reasonable
# and then the choice of ## over # makes even more sense
# I think #from+here…to+there is understandable
# except we are still on the issue of breaking tons of implementations are we not?
# KevinMarks: it is understandable yes, but "…" is present in too much actual text
# ben_thatmustbeme: *tons* ? I don't think so
# okay, i overestimate
# There is the trickiness of do you want to highlight the elided bit
# plus yes we should have said that if you want to include literal "#" in the fragmention you should URL-escape
# true, ... is common in text, but ## is possible in text too
# so that's a bug to file *now* on every implementation
# ben_thatmustbeme: like these logs :)
# oh dear
# LOLOLOL
# tantek: exactly where i was going
# I use ellipsis a lot when tweeting quotes
# hence why if you want to include a "#" in your fragmention, even today, you MUST URL-escape it
# i think #from+...+to is all you need
# ^^^ KevinMarks please add that to the spec
# Except people are escaping the second leading # to make valid URLs
# so a literal hash sign in the fragment is not a valid URL. is it really ok to redefine what a valid URL is?
# KevinMarks: that doesn't contradict what I said
# the +...+ makes sure you break out of any ID matching, and its easy enough to say "if i don't find the text 'from ... to' then it must be a from-to fragmention format"
# that's *before* the fragmention text
# aaronpk - of course ok to extend URL - new URL spec in progress right now
# can a hashtag be used in an id?
# so if # is ok in URLs, then this is how you'd reference ben's note above: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-28##%23from..to
# it shouldn't be
# nevermind, i just thought that through
# "IDs can consist of just digits, start with a digit, start with an underscore, consist of just punctuation, etc."
# Ids can have anything except spaces
# guess that means you can have emoji IDs now
# so in theory id="#selfie" would mean that index.html##selfie would be confusing
# that should make for some interesting source code
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# edited /fragmention (+1) "/* URL encoding */ >" (view diff)
# KevinMarks: nm I added the bit about URL escaping # if it's in your literal fragmention like "Use my #hashtag" (should be: "Use+my+%23hashtag" )
# That's good.
# the disclaimer on the proposed icon is my favorite
# created /shebang (+475) "shebang/hashbang" (view diff)
# we need to turn /fragmention into a proper spec so ti doesn't get badly regurgitated somewhere else
# created /hashbang (+21) "r" (view diff)
# oh man now I really want to see phrase highlighting!
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# interesting, seems like MediaWiki (or something in our config) doesn't like handling http://indiewebcamp.com/%23%21 propertly (which should go to a page with that name)
# s/propertly/properly
# tantek meant to say: interesting, seems like MediaWiki (or something in our config) doesn't like handling http://indiewebcamp.com/%23%21 properly (which should go to a page with that name)
# so i just tested it to see. created a page with id="#selfie" and a page with "#ðŸ’©" and yes, ##selfie will jump to that ID
# #ðŸ’© works too
# in chrome ##selfie jumps to the #selfie id, the emoji don't work
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# Presumably thats being escaped invisibly in ff?
# Is that like ff turning spaces into ”°20 and chrome treating them as search keywords for Google
# or turning spaces in URLs into + :)
# either way the ## is actually ambiguous as it could link to an ID that just starts with #
# it can't per current URL defn because it is invalid
# so not ambiguous at all, it is 100% error, which makes it perfect for adding functionality
# that's actually a fantastic reason to keep ##
# I disagree. I think the endgame should be making I'd search a special case of text search
# why don't we just look at #+ we immediately break out and define the fact that we are not just searching for and ID
# a slightly more ambitious plan
# the only way to define that we are not searching for an ID in the page is to use a space, so put it right up front
# if browsers are automatically assuming ## means search for an id starting with #
# is trying to find the spec that says that index.html##selfie is not a currently valid URL
# It's linked from /fragmention
# i see the ABNF does not allow it. The regex they give in Appendix B. does allow it however.
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# i'm guessing many implementors went to the regex first, which would explain why things that should not work (according to the RFC) do work
# aaronpk: barnabywalters: it looks like quill is sending "in_reply_to" and shrewdness "in-reply-to" arguments for micropub. is one right or better to just accept both?
# oh crap I think I have a pending push that will change that
# I believe hyphens are correct
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# aaronpk: ok cool! that means i don't have to change my code :)
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# Met Michael Verdi by accident last night, at the IndieWeb meetup at Mozilla HQ. (twitter.com/_/status/505047985055465472)
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# this is kind of neat. I got a webmention from an email :) http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/08/27/1/homebrew-website-club
# npdoty++
# npdoty has 4 karma
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# are those actual emails or a blog styled to look like email?
# I can't remember, it's confusing
# I think both
# somehow
# what is npdoty
# It looks like we don't have a page for "npdoty" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=npdoty
# who is npdoty?
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# hi Loqi!
# KartikPrabhu: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 3 hours, 22 minutes ago: I'm trying to webmention you but getting 'Source URL does not contain a link to the target URL' .. does it not like the fragmention? or does it not check the 'in-reply-to' from http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/8/28/1/_
# ben_thatmustbeme: must have messed up my webmention code somehow will check
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# @lukasepple Gibt doch webmention stuff und z.b. pants ist ja ein toller ansatz (twitter.com/_/status/505065418235838464)
# ben_thatmustbeme: yeah that is most definitely some mess up on my part... will look into it this evening.
# KartikPrabhu: so did you give Pandoc a try?
# aah not yet that is also this evening project....
# jeez so much to do
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# edited /email (+14) "move TOC down to make POSSE section more readable" (view diff)
# emmak yes npdoty is POSSEing to /email and has been since 2009!
# created /npdoty (+30) "r" (view diff)
# edited /User:Npdoty.name (+11) "dfn" (view diff)
# who is npdoty
# what is npdoty?
# neuro: does your entry on /irc-people indicate two different nicks?
# aaronpk: I just showed off your sleep metrics post to a co-worker who got a jawbone, we were all surprised how little you sleep :)
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#
tantek_1
tries
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# Hello! I'm working on markup for displaying comments on my site (via webmention!) and am a bit confused about when (or if) to mark up a comment with h-entry and/or h-cite and/or some sort of in-reply-to.
# jgarber: ShaneHudson left you a message 2 weeks, 6 days ago: I saw you're plugin, it looks very good but there appears to be no recieving/storing? I would rather not use an external service for it
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# I collected a handful of examples of how others are marking up their comments: https://gist.github.com/jgarber623/efe5ab4fb1e61e0fdbb6
# kylewm: lol, really?
# Does anyone have advice or suggestions? I've read through the wiki and am still a bit fuzzy on the relationship between h-entry and h-cite.
# I guess I usually sleep <7 hrs most nights and sometimes catch up on weekends by getting 8
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# oh... Last couple nights have been short it looks like
#
tantek_1
aaronpk it looks like even though I quit FF and relaunched, the IRC client/server on your side is holding onto "tantek_" in the channel.
# (Or is that question more appropriate in #microformats?)
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# jgarber: I followed this for my implementation http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_markup
# "p-comment h-cite"
# that way, the "comment" property for your artice has a list of comment objects (of type h-cite)
# kylewm: Oh, nice. Thanks! I hadn't come across this page on the wiki yet.
# This wiki page pretty much explains everything. I should've known all my questions would've been answered and thoroughly documented.
# interesting that most of the examples you collected use "p-comment h-entry"!
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#
tantek_1
does going to sleep and waking up work?
#
tantek_1
wow
# @nephthys @Nouweo but je préfère le #BleedingEdge #indieweb #unhosted #netart... (twitter.com/_/status/505076320012107776)
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# kylewm unsurprising as the first uf2 attempt at marking up comments was p-comment h-entry. It wasn't until h-cite solidified a bit and we started making the distinction between original and copy.
# That we switched to "p-comment h-cite"
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# aaronpk - it takes just a few seconds (if that) for me to resume in IRC via the web IRC log UI after waking up from sleep (without having to explicitly rejoin on my end). Much faster than the "native" Mac Colloquy. Amazing.
# on Mac Colloquy it can take many many seconds sometimes longer than a minute to reconnect / rejoin a server.
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# edited /fragmention (+211) "/* Proposed icon */ float it, check out noun project for more ideas" (view diff)
# edited /fragmention (-7) "/* Proposed icon */" (view diff)
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# created /User:Sixtwothree.org (+909) "Create user page for myself." (view diff)
# jgarber++
# jgarber has 1 karma
# One big point on the board! Thanks, tantek!
# hey that's how it starts ;)
# jgarber, and awesome user page start! now what's the next most-important-to-you thing that you want to add to or improve on your website?
# Good question! I'm still polishing the webmention stuff and look to open source webmention.sixtwothree.org as soon as I make sure there's nothing private in the repo.
# I have some ideas about how I'd want to automatically send webmentions when I write something new, I want to add a couple sections for content types (Links, Notes, etc.)... the list goes on...
# edited /website-analytics (+163) "/* Piwik */ added myself as someone running piwik" (view diff)
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# jgarber: cool! now add those items to a "Working On" section on your user page :)
# so Dave Winer's facebook/wordpress app claims to be able to edit posts on both platforms, but Facebook's API explicitly says you can't https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.1/post##You+can't+update
# anybody know how he does it?
# ok kylewm - how did you POSSE your reply as a comment to the Disqus on his post?!?
# copy pasta :(
# adding an feature request to Bridgy right now though :)
# ah yes, the tried and true "manual" technique
# nice!
# while you're there
# good call tantek!! that's totally in the same wheelhouse
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# reminder to folks: propose sessions (e.g. indieweb related) for MozFest by tomorrow! http://2014.mozillafestival.org/propose/
# tantek: one roadblock, I know snarfed is starting to get a little wary of adding new nascar buttons to the current bridgy UI (which is already pretty daunting for noobs)
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# I can help with the UI design aspect
# that would be SO GREAT, will definitely reach out to you when I/we have some concrete ideas
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# ls
# oops
# . .. indieweb/ projects/ news/
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# edited /User:Sixtwothree.org (+531) "Add Working On section per Tantek's suggestion in IRC" (view diff)
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# kylewm: it does (and I didn't add it myself).
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# edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (-13) "/* Where */ Minneapolis time & place confirmed" (view diff)
# edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+755) "/* Where */ SF location confirmed" (view diff)
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# oh wow, the answer is that facebook allows editing posts (now?) and just hasn't documented it yet
# kylewm: I think it's been possible for a while now
# what happened to their commitment to documented api roadmap?
# KevinMarks__: did they commit to that o_O
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# "move fast with stable infra"
# If it means not breaking the existing, that's a great step forward.
# I wish AWS did that.
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# needs to read up on the API changes 2.0 -> 2.1
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# finds that coinbase now has profiles https://coinbase.com/kevinmarks
# edited /IRC_People (+89) "/* Nicknames */ split neuro and fdevillamil into two entries" (view diff)
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# I updated and debugged my indie URL shortener.
# Short URL for it: http://s.gonze.com
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# lucasgonze++ for writing and sharing an awesome minimal indie URL shortener at Homebrew Website Club last night!
# lucasgonze has 1 karma
# KevinMarks: how does coinbase work? can you create "pay me on coinbase" URLs? If so, can you add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/payment ?
# what is coinbase?
# It looks like we don't have a page for "coinbase" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=coinbase
# edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+199) "/* Notes */ add notes about Lucas's URL shortener" (view diff)
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gRegor
Can lucasgonze time travel, tantek? :)
# gRegor: he had s.gonze.com working last night
#
gRegor
Yeah. You edited 9/10 event though?
# argh
# oh darn it that reverting ALL My changes to 09-10 :(
# where's my Undo button for Revert? (cc: tommorris - who gets all MediaWiki complaints)
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# edited /events/next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
# oh great, now the home page links to my screwup :/
# edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+199) "/* Notes */ add notes about Lucas's URL shortener" (view diff)
# edited /Main_Page (+0) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ next" (view diff)
#
gRegor
tantek: You can still go back and "edit" a past revision. Is that what you mean?
# edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+776) "Undo revision 12757 by [[Special:Contributions/Tantek.com|Tantek.com]] ([[User talk:Tantek.com|talk]]) (as in redo all but the errant future notes)" (view diff)
# I'm really liking the new more minimal and more frequently used links/pages sidebar
# It's been VERY useful when showing indiewebcamp.com to new people and encouraging them to get involved
# I'm looking forward to when the ?beta is no longer beta, and collapsing the "Discuss" vs. "Chat Log" links down to just one "Discussion Forum"
# don't call it a forum please
# lol
# but that's what new people look for!
# "forum" is more human friendly than "IRC"
# edited /Events (-1) "moving 8/27 to past" (view diff)
# maybe I'm old fashioned, but a forum is a particular type of website that has categories of threaded discussions
# we're just a single threaded forum, with one category, "indieweb"
# lol
# aaronpk, it's like that comparison that caseorganic made between the activitystreams mailing list archive of *one message* vs. *one page* of our IRC log
# now it'll be an even prettier screenshot!
# YES
# needs to be updated :)
# oh and with the new "Join " button
#
gRegor
/events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club emojis don't show for me in Chrome (boxes) but do in Firefox.
# it's a chrome thing
# file a bug against Chrome :P
# emoji licensing is weird
#
gRegor
Looks kinda odd on Firefox with the line through them too :)
# wat - it's just using the font in the OS
#
gRegor
Not a big fan of emoji so won't be filing anytime soon ;)
# requires OSX 10.7+ too I noticed. Doesn't show on OSX 10.6.x.
# the problem is the artwork is all copyright the respective platform, so each platform has to create their own version of the emoji based on the text description
# can't remember the reason chrome doesn't (or can't) use the OSX default emoji
# aaronpk - someone will make an open source emoji web font
# it's inevitable
# likely with SVG even
# that does seem quite likely
#
gRegor
Do these emojis mean the HWC slogan is "Write, Link, Hammer time!"? I hope so.
# btw back to comparing IRC and "FORUMS"
# we can do a similar screenshot comparing our logs to say https://www.loomio.org/g/7hU5fK8O/diaspora-community-federation-discussion
# :P
# heh
# wait - so which federation thread did you mean? how are they different again?
# especially the "Do we need valid SSL certificates?" thread last updated 2 years ago
# a small minority of folks put too much value into such hierarchy, when for the most part (80/20) you need no such hierarchy
# it's basically a huge waste of time that just slows down discussion
# gunks the the UX
# s/the the/up the
# tantek meant to say: gunks up the UX
# but classic dev-based over-design of IA
# of course the flip side is it's virtually impossible to discover anything in the IRC logs. it's purely useful for discussion, not so much discoverability
# that's why it's so important to capture discussions into wiki pages asap
# same kind of bad-think that causes schema-org hierarchy nonsense and volcanoes with fax machines
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# no! it's a *feature* that it's *obviously* virtually impossible to discover anything in the IRC logs
# so people won't even pretend to try
# (unlike email archives)
# and thus are motivated to actually capture anything relevant on the wiki
# you vote with your wiki edits
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# if you think something important was said in IRC, capture it on the wiki
# otherwise it must not have been important
# which is the *actual* truth for *all* discussion platforms, including email, PHP forumware, etc.
# in an old community I was in (old as in 20 yrs ago) - we used to have a !bookmark command that allowed us to flag discussions in IRC for later rollup to documentation or website
# edited /Diaspora (+707) "add criticism / monoculture based on comment on diaspora federation forum, no current indieweb examples" (view diff)
# KevinMarks: "author photos did not work well with the limited screen space and bandwidth of mobile" - I call bullshit. Disproof exhibit A: our logs.
# exactly
# i liked google authorship
# I think the real failure was the silo tax meaning you had to have G+ profile in your rel-me chain
# why don't they just drop rich snippets completely then?
# I liked it too :(
# but yeah the G+ requirement was super annoying
# yeah - the artificial requirement of G+ was F'd
# and they are going to show G+ profile pics for posts from there
# if they're in your cicles
# not surprising that they killed it though
# edited /Google (+84) "/* Dead Services */ for more see dedicated wikipedia page to this phenomenon" (view diff)
# they history is wrong there too - we had rel-me in google profiles in 2007
# well at least this means the Google dumb query param alternative is also dead
# oh yeah thank goodness, that was ridiculous
# see Google? that's what you get for proposing a dumb extension to a standard, and then limiting that standard's functionality to links to your own damn silo.
# no matter, let's just keep moving forward with /authorship
# awesome that we *already* have confirmed venues for all 2014-09-10 HWC locations!
# and Minneapolis has even already posted an event for it (even if it is on FB)
# !tell benwerd could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club I know you can't make it yourself but an indie event would be great to have anyway!
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# whats the dumb query param alternative?
# I have a link for that
# someone want to send all the Google rel=author pages/videos to the archivebot before they all disappear?
# ah right. that is dumb
# assuming Google prefers to delete history than keep it around and provide explanatory context
# I'm just assuming that large corporations are Orwellian by default.
# yep. like they did with social graph api
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# I've already forgotten how to summon archivebot - commands in some IRC channel I forgot.