#indiewebcamp 2014-09-05

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KevinMarks_
bret: is that much of a pivot for known?
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bret
lol no not really ;)
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benwerd
bret: just saw your message. The reader is such an important piece of this puzzle.
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bret
are you working on one?
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benwerd
It's coming soon, and Kevin's right, it's more of an extrapolation than a pivot ;)
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benwerd
First: demo days. But it'll be coming soon. For us it also solves the blank page problem of, "ok, so now what do I do with this empty site I just created?"
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benwerd
I mean, as well as being a complete evolution of the way we'll use social media. Obvs.
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bret
benwerd++ I was mostly just kidding around since you are basically already doing that
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Loqi
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mko
In case anybody here has ever used Twitpic before, they're shutting down on September 25th and will be giving you the ability to export your data: http://blog.twitpic.com/2014/09/twitpic-is-shutting-down/
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bret
ohh thats a big site death
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mko
Yeah.
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KevinMarks_
more of a site murder, given that twitter is making them do it
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bret
just change the name and keep the domain running
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bret
twitter is really turning up the suck knob recently
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mowens.com
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KevinMarks_
changing the domain name would still break all the old links
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kylewm
the spokesman said. "We encourage developers to build on top of the Twitter service, as Twitpic has done for years, and we made it clear that they could operate using the Twitpic name. Of course, we also have to protect our brand, and that includes trademarks tied to the brand."
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kylewm
(from the article rascul linked)
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kylewm
I don't understand the weird hedge at the end
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kylewm
yeah that statement could have been much less ambiguous
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rascul
https://www.nc.me/ free .me for students
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kylewm
(I get it now, they're not demanding Twitpic stop calling themselves that but that they abandon their trademark application)
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rascul
i would be interested to know more about why twitter doesn't like their trademark application
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KevinMarks
Wish they'd mentioned that free .me before I bought one last week
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GWG
Are you a student?
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GWG
KevinMarks, you going to talk about the Indieweb next week?
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@JosephRooks
@davemorin @jayrosen_nyu @dhh Or… support development of better decentralized tools for publishing and connecting people? #indieweb
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@dhh
Wonder how much it would cost to run a Twitter-like service as a non-profit charity, like Firefox or Wikipedia?
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kylewm
and Jeff Atwood graciously changed it from Standard to Common Markdown ... which just seems exceptionally petulant
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KevinMarks
Gwg my son is a student
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GWG
KevinMarks: That works.
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GWG
I just pull out my old student ID
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KevinMarks
Talk about indieweb on TWiG you mean?
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GWG
KevinMarks: Yes. I listen to it on my commute
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KevinMarks
He now has ChristopherMarks.me
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GWG
I enjoy the rants of Jeff Jarvis.
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KevinMarks
Hoping to go on with Ben and Erin next week
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GWG
Well, I'll tune in, most likely not live
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@anildash
Spoiler: @gruber & @davewiner were right. The shiftiness of their formats doesn't matter, the utility of them does. RSS & Markdown work.
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benwerd
Would markdown matter if wysiwyg html editors actually worked?
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bear
for people who have to deal with the raw data - yes
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Loqi
bear: tantek left you a message on 9/2 at 10:55pm: I've updated my site to fully to level 2 as documented on /https and documented the "how to"s of what I got working here: https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (please review and point out any flaws in my changes)
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kylewm
i'm not sure i've ever used a wysiwyg editor, for anything, that worked as well as i wanted it to
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Nadreck
“Have to” is relative. At this point I actually miss having markup even when I’m in a Word or RTF doc. I’m pretty sure I’m not the target audience of wysiwyg editors, though.
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KevinMarks
Wysiwyg has always been a mixed blessing
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KevinMarks
And as the markdown babel tool shows, you get a lot of randomness out of markdown
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KevinMarks
They should call it markup and move on
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KevinMarks
So markdown doesn't allow img tags?
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KevinMarks
I have Google domains invitations if anyone wants one
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GWG
What are the features of that again?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "the features of that again" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+features+of+that+again
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GWG
I just wonder if they will stay in that business.
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@hmans
@dhh Well, I've built a distributed Twitter-ish thing using open indieweb standards, using Rails, and not requiring a Kickstarter. It works.
(twitter.com/_/status/507776102123962368)
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@hmans
@dhh It uses the very simple Webmention protocol at its core, embraces all things HTTP. https://github.com/hmans/pants
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benwerd
I sincerely love that when I discover a new indieweb implementation, I know I can already reply to their posts etc
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benwerd
How it should be.
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tantek_
sad about twitpic
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tantek_
curious/funny about the markdown debates
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tantek_
what is markdown?
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Loqi
Markdown is a way of writing and interpreting plain text so that it can optionally be converted to more explicitly meaningful or richly styled text (e.g http://indiewebcamp.com/markdown
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neuro`
Good morning.
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@fdevillamil
Pants is a distributed, open source (micro)blogging service built with Rails and using webmention. Worth checking. http://pants.social/
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@pathsny
@NBomb @arcadiy there is a project called indieweb which is about a bunch of different specs around open implementations of familiar ideas
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@BarnabyWalters
Posting my first note over HTTPS, #taproot now at http://indiewebcamp.com/https level to with a self-signed… https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4Xy8TZ/
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www.hitono.info
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@Keltounet
RT @fdevillamil: Pants is a distributed, open source (micro)blogging service built with Rails and using webmention. Worth checking. http://…
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@hmans
Most failures were #pants trying to send webmentions to non-URLs (eg. footnote links). Will be fixed.
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@t
Today's @dConstruct "Living With The Network" talks are providing superb inspiration for @IndieWebCampUK this weekend. (ttk.me t4Xy1)
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@snickn
RT @fdevillamil: Pants is a distributed, open source (micro)blogging service built with Rails and using webmention. Worth checking. http://…
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@badgermind
RT @t: Today's @dConstruct "Living With The Network" talks are providing superb inspiration for @IndieWebCampUK this weekend. (ttk.me t4Xy1)
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@alexgspiers
RT @benwerd: Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb
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@mdvfunes
@ShaneHudson Hi, Shane. Is it possible to attend online this weekend? near BN but cannot make @IndieWebCampUK asked them but no response yet
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tantrk_
hello from Taylor street Batista's
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@jamierelay
Just saw indieweb for the first time - interesting approach that goes beyond federation and decentralization: http://indiewebcamp.com/
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tantek_
let's see if this works now
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pdurbin
tantek_: you have some good points about markdown is nicely inspired by plain text email but has some odd syntax one rarely sees in plain text email: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2014-09-05#i_9302537
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iamdanw1
Ello
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@stevebanfield
RT @fdevillamil: Pants is a distributed, open source (micro)blogging service built with Rails and using webmention. Worth checking. http://…
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@wisecrack03
For a mix of fun indie projects like https://www.facebook.com/jessandyent #indie #indiefilm #writing #indieweb
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@hmans
RT @fdevillamil: Pants is a distributed, open source (micro)blogging service built with Rails and using webmention. Worth checking. http://…
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@davidmead
Not your problem @aaronpk I know, but have you've heard of Wordpress 4 breaking broadcasting? Mine stopped to Twitter. /cc @t #indieweb
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@t
Already excited about the personal-site demos I have heard will be shown @IndieWebCampUK. #selfdogfood #showbeforetell (ttk.me t4Xy2)
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tantek
thanks pdurbin!
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tantek
it's fascinating to watch the Markdown debates
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tantek
perhaps the time is right to ultra-simplify and minimize Markdown, back to its founding principles
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@kevinmarks
“I’m down with this retro movement. Bring back personal blogs… Bring back the fun. Screw Big Internet.” http://www.roughtype.com/?p=5010 #indieweb
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KevinMarks_
i like the empiricism of the markdown babel tool
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KevinMarks_
but surveying published markdown would be good (if slightly tricky, as it would be github centric)
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tantek
KevinMarks: it's too bad that empiricism was not applied to the source material - email/usenet plain text
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tantek
without that - Markdown will inevitably evolve into just yet another arcane wiki-like syntax
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KevinMarks_
it has already imo
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KevinMarks_
your point about images is good , though you should add svg
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KevinMarks_
also <img> is not on the blessed HTML tag list
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tantek
neither is <time>
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tantek
quite a bit of obvious omission in said "blessed HTML tag list"
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KevinMarks_
is a good sentiment
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tantek
indeed. that was similarly I think how we thought about microformats to begin with.
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tantek
though I'm pretty sure we have improved *all* of those (readability, writeability, parsability, implementability) with microformats2
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tantek
just goes to show, sometimes it's not "pick 2" (of 3-4 asserted optimization points)
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tantek
good afternoon :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
good here, working on url shortener
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ben_thatmustbeme
then i'll just have to figure out how to get bridgy to use the shortened urls not the full ones
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ben_thatmustbeme
yay, it works
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kylewm
what's the significance of /s/e ?
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ben_thatmustbeme
s = shortener e = 17 (i think) in base 60, which is the ID of the record
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ben_thatmustbeme
also leaves /<some other letter>/ open for redirects to any pages that are not just posts
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ben_thatmustbeme
posts/notes/articles/photos what have you
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ben_thatmustbeme
no, thats 39 actually
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: makes sense, have you considered dropping the / in between?
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, i suppose I could, but this way actually works in to my code better, /s/ tells it the controller (looks it up in a routes file) goes to the /blog/shortener controller and knows to pass encoded_id = e
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ben_thatmustbeme
the sacrifice of a single character is worth it to me
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kylewm.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually kylewm, its probably unsafe to remove the /. I just looked in to that and was going to change it to p (post) instead of s (short)
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ben_thatmustbeme
but something like /post become confusing is it p&eid='ost' or is it just post controller
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: so the way I handle that is redirect from kyl.im/post to kylewm.com/short/post, so it's unambiguous
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ben_thatmustbeme
i could have done that, but i didn't want to add another redirect in the layer
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ben_thatmustbeme
ben.thatmustbe.me/s/e is actually the same exact code as btmb.me/s/e, which will just kick back a redirect to the correct page
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kylewm.com
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kylewm
Loqi, you snoozing?
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kylewm
neuro`: I'd love to try your container when it's ready
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tantek.com
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tantek
neuro` great! or you can ask the channel
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tantek
what is new?
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kylewm
I'm trying to decide whether I should try to speed up my application logic or slap a cache on the whole thing
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tantek
let's try that again
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tantek
what is new?
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Loqi
Welcome to news about the indieweb where recent notable articles about the indieweb are cited and linked to keep you up to date http://indiewebcamp.com/new
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aaronpk
wondering if we should open up the web IRC chat to remote participants for this weekend
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@aaronpk
@davidmead Haven't heard of anyone using Wordpress 4.0 with the #indieweb plugins yet, but come by and chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC
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snarfed
ben_thatmust: re your q about bridgy, did you mean, you'd want bridgy publish to include your short url in the tweet it posts, instead of the full one?
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snarfed
that should work now. just plug your short url into the url text box instead of the full url
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snarfed
(or if you're publishing via webmention, use your short url as the source)
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snarfed
i'll add a faq for that now
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ben_thatmustbeme
cool, thats what I was hoping. I just need to update the webmention code to do that
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ben_thatmustbeme
again, i'm using mention-client-php to do that so i may need to look in to that
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aaronpk
benwerd: some people definitely expect to see a comment box
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benwerd
Yes - really want to add one
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benwerd
And thinking that we should have one before the release
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benwerd
Wrote that as a conversation starter
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aaronpk
I wonder if there's a friendly version of a webmention form we could put in the location people expect the comment box to be
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@KateMfD
@dogtrax @jimgroom We'll wait awhile and @withknown will come along and help, I just Know it.
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aaronpk
followed by your reply :)
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benwerd
They've realized (rightly) that they can mention us and we'll show up to help :)
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aaronpk
I do like the "have you written a response to this?" prompt http://aaron.pk/n4Xx2
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aaronpk
but it's not quite obvious enough for people I think
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benwerd
aaronpk: I think that's good, but the reality is that a lot of people will have written a response on, eg, Facebook if they've written one at all. Native comments are handy
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snarfed
benwerd++ it's an individual choice each person can make for their own site, but i get a steady stream of native comments that i appreciate. high signal to noise (assuming you use a spam filter)
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Loqi
benwerd has 35 karma
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snarfed
i expect most are from people without web sites, so a webmention form wouldn't work for them
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davidmead
hi aaronpk
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davidmead
saw the link in twitter. wanted to chat about indieweb plugins in Wordpress 4 not working
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snarfed
davidmead: which plugins?
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snarfed
have you looked at their support forums?
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davidmead
snarfed: looks like ‘Social’ by mailchimp isn’t broadcasting to Twitter
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snarfed
davidmead: ok. it started right when you upgraded to wp 4?
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davidmead
snarfed: i did. says it hasn’t been tested with the current version (that looks like an auto msg). Yeah. Upgraded this morning and didn’t post
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snarfed
davidmead: ok. you may be ahead of other social users here. maybe post to the support forum? http://wordpress.org/support/plugin/social
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davidmead
snarfed: Ah. OK. I was checking with aaronpk on twitter in case anyone else had experienced trouble.
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aaronpk
hey davidmead! yeah I don't have much experience with wordpress, but several others here do
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davidmead
snarfed: i’ll drop them a msg in the forum. It’s pulling in replies from twitter. Just the post seems to be broken
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snarfed
davidmead: btw, how do you like social's support for pulling back replies?
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snarfed
(i run a similar service, http://brid.gy/ , so i'm always interested in "competitors" :P)
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davidmead
snarfed: I like it. Haven’t tried yours, but more than willing to try it :-)
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snarfed
davidmead: thanks! no need though, if you like social stick with it.
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snarfed
does it pull back favorites and retweets too?
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aaronpk
"alternatives" :)
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snarfed
frenemies
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benwerd
Interesting. Mailchimp Social has come up a bunch of times with users asking about differentiation.
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snarfed
davidmead: yeah, interop and display details for some tweets are tricky. we've been thinking about this here too
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davidmead
snarfed: also hpping between web and Wordpress app causes some hassle when relying etc.
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snarfed
(tl;dr: if someone *else* tweets a link to your post, and someone favorites it, should we send that favorite back to your post? how should it display? etc. more discussion here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 )
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davidmead
aaronpk: hey :-) thanks anyway
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snarfed
benwerd: yup, i consistently hear that social is good software
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benwerd
nods. I need to spend some quality time with it.
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davidmead
snarfed: it’s a plus to see those interactions, for me at least.
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snarfed
davidmead: oh sure! the question is how to display them. if the tweet about your post is negative, and someone favorites that tweet, we probably shouldn't show that they "favorited" your post. i think we don't yet know how to display that at all, really
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snarfed
(also, i definitely don't plan to do sentiment analysis to even try to distinguish positive from negative tweets :P)
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davidmead
snarfed: hmm, i see. in that particular case someone is favoriting a “mention” of your post. not the post itself. maybe nesting it under the negatice response would be the way to go
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snarfed
davidmead: sure…but then we get into the sentiment analysis rathole. i don't see many examples of categorizing positive vs negative, apart from explicit "like" etc.
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snarfed
that way lie dragons
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bret
how does sentiment analysis work?
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aaronpk
it doesn't usually
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snarfed
i actually built a toy sentiment analysis engine in school, way back in maybe 1999ish. https://snarfed.org/ryan.barrett.name/nlp/
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snarfed
oh man, memories
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahh, hmm, i see bridgy is posting the title to twitter, its not shortening the text, I am. hmmmm
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aaronpk
snarfed: oh wow. that was a while ago.
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bret
dang, neato!
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bret
snarfed: are you mostly looking for keywords?
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snarfed
bret: no clue. it was 15y ago, so i've forgotten it entirely
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snarfed
looking at https://snarfed.org/ryan.barrett.name/nlp/slide4.html , there were a bunch of features, not just keywords
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davidmead
snarfed: just signed up with brid.gy - As I already had the IndieWeb plugin installed it polled & pulled right away. Nice :-) Just saw a (duplicated to Social) tweet show up in the comments.
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davidmead
snarfed: i’ll disable Social until/if it gets a fix.
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snarfed
davidmead: great! yeah, if you're already pulling back with social, i wouldn't recommend using both at the same time.
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snarfed
if you like social's backfeed though, you can keep using it, and only use bridgy to publish. up to you
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davidmead
snarfed: now to broadcast to I post on my blog, then got to https://www.brid.gy/twitter/davidmead to publish? or does it do it straight from my WP blog?
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snarfed
davidmead: not straight from wp. you'd need to go to that page, or include a magic invisible link in your post to do it automatically. details: https://www.brid.gy/about#publish
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KevinMarks__
Sentiment analysis is what every person who did a cs nlp course writes
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snarfed
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 50 karma
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KevinMarks__
It tends to fail horribly at any kind of nuance or sarcasm
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snarfed
(we didn't know to call it sentiment analysis back then, but otherwise yup)
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KevinMarks__
If I was doing one now I'd just look for smileys and emoticons
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KevinMarks__
But the cs nlp people all filter out punctuation and case
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snarfed
we used emoticons and punctuation!
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snarfed
but ours was still just a toy, not industrial strength
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KevinMarks__
I meant emoji
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snarfed
oh god yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme
hahah, nice, it works!
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snarfed
fortunately they didn't really exist 15y ago
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Loqi
nice
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KevinMarks__
Most of the "industrial strength" ones are fragile too.
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ben_thatmustbeme
Posse with my new URL shortener to twitter
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snarfed
KevinMarks__: oh definitely
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snarfed
ben_thatmust: nice!
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KevinMarks__
We can't even agree what fav means
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davidmead
snarfed: great. i’ll play more at the weekend :-) thanks for the help.
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kylewm.com
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bret
btw https://ngrok.com is super duper handy
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bret
where should I put another local tunnel tool on the wiki?
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aaronpk
do we already have https://localtunnel.me/ ?
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bret
i like ngrok better
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bret
i have had lots of problems with localtunnel.me
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GWG
Just deployed Version 3 of my Site Theme...going to iterate and fix live.
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GWG
Anyone want to give me an opinion?
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@voxpelli
@qzio Depends, the ones that dig deep into focused issues brings people from afar. Eg the @IndieWebCampUK I'm at now is pretty international
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, the gray below and to the right of the banner irks me :P Also the social icons aren't quite centered, which stuck out to me.
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ben_thatmustbeme
I like the menu bar, very nice. I don't know what it was before
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GWG
Centered in the bar?
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GWG
The bar was thinner.
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GWG
It's a rewritten and cleaned up version of the previous one. Still needs some tweaking.
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ben_thatmustbeme
no i mean the icons within their containing boxes. The look a little high.
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GWG
But I couldn't check it on the test site
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GWG
High? They are centered within the box?
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ben_thatmustbeme
the facebook icon i think is most noticeable for that
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ben_thatmustbeme
they don't look centered to me
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GWG
I am trying to see it.
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GWG
I know about the space around the header.
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aaronpk
lol I love people clicking the link from kevinmarks' tweet which drops them into the IRC room
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GWG
Weird.
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GWG
What browser?
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GWG
On Firefox, I see it
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GWG
On Chrome, I don't.
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GWG
Odd
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GWG
Need to figure out why.
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voxpelli_
One often have a problem aligning stuff inline vertically in both FF and WebKit/Chrome
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GWG
I'll figure it out
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voxpelli_
Less line-height more padding should do it
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GWG
I also have to go make some fixes I already made on the previous version
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GWG
I always forget things on rewrites.
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GWG
But first...lunch
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@anderiasch
RT @fdevillamil: Pants is a distributed, open source (micro)blogging service built with Rails and using webmention. Worth checking. http://…
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@dissolve333
Sad to see Twitpic fall? Tired of losing everything? Try the #indieweb and keep your data yourself. Posted on… (http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/5/3/_)
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh, Loqi goes down redirects first
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Loqi
is done
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aaronpk
yeah Loqi expands all redirects til the end
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aaronpk
otherwise it'd just show a bunch of bit.ly links after expanding the t.co link
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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kevinmarks.com
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pdurbin
tantek_: it is a bit fascinating. I like this tweet: James Deacon on Twitter: "Kid builds castle. Other kid says 'hey, you've done it wrong, get out the way and let me show you what your castle should be' #Markdown" - https://twitter.com/JamesDeacon/status/507683360173731840
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@JamesDeacon
Kid builds castle. Other kid says 'hey, you've done it wrong, get out the way and let me show you what your castle should be' #Markdown
(twitter.com/_/status/507683360173731840)
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KevinMarks_
so, if Andrew is coming to indiewebcamp UK and he has a known site, should he be my apprentice?
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KevinMarks_
or does he count as a creator?
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gRegor`
I thought it was just "Participants" now on /2014/UK/Guest_List
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gRegor`
(and going forward)
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KevinMarks_
there is still apprentice language there
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KevinMarks_
and 3 apprentices
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GWG
Anyone know anything about the picture html5 tag?
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ben_thatmustbeme
not much, just the article i read recently. sounded like a wrapper around multiple <img> tags
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@michaellimiero
@zwaldowski I like what these guys are doing http://indiewebcamp.com/ Not trying to write a Facebook-killer, just building cool stuff.
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme, that is it. Thinking of using it. There is a js library for unsupported browsers
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: it isn't a wrapper around multiple <img>s. there is one <img> for fallback
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahh, that makes more sense
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Garbee
GWG, Picturefill
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GWG
The more I play with development, the more I realize what I don't know
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GWG
Garbee, I know
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Garbee
oh, whoops. I switch "there" and "is" in your statement.
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Garbee
Yea, go ahead and use it.
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Garbee
It is shipping in Chrome 38 and soon in Firefox too.
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GWG
I found someone who wrote code I can learn from that uses the WordPress featured image system to generate the sizes.
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Garbee
And Safari is in the works. Just IE is left out so far.
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kevinmarks.com
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GWG
I just changed my site theme and I'm fixing some issues.
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@danlyke
Torn between Chimera North Bay tech meet and SF IndieWeb next Wednesday. IndieWeb is currently winning.
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neuro`
kylewm: sure, I'll publish something about it when it's ready. Trickier than expected as I'm trying to make a really minimal install therefore compiling every dependency statically
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barnabywalters
Kevinmarks: if Andrew has a personal site and can log in to the wiki he’s a creator
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Loqi
barnabywalters: KevinMarks_ left you a message 1 day ago: looks's like shrewdness's elasticsearch instance died - getting port 9200 error
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barnabywalters
the apprentice/creator *language* is retained as it’s useful, but the separate lists have been merged
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barnabywalters
great to hear he’ll be joining us!
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barnabywalters
Kevinmarks_: thanks for letting me know about the ES error, not sure what happened but I turned it back on
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KevinMarks_
yes, he's logged in
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neuro`
tantek_: ask the channel for?
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KevinMarks_
he's gor a Known-hosted personal site
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jonnybarnes
barnabywalters: noticed your getting https set-up, what finally spurred you on?
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: tantek’s reaction to adactio and I admitting that our sites weren’t secured :)
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aaronpk
lol what was his reaction?
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jonnybarnes
talking of https, can we update the indiewebcamp page's cert sometime aaronpk? see https://shaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/check/indiewebcamp.com
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barnabywalters
aaron: he freaked out a bit :)
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barnabywalters
argh, aaronpk ^^^ (no tabcomplete in the web UI)
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@danlyke
@misswimp yeah, I wanna meet more North Bay folk, but am likely to learn more new cool stuff hangin' at IndieWeb.
(twitter.com/_/status/507986216512258048)
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: shoot. yeah, I can update that.
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jonnybarnes
excellent :)
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: remember the sha-r intermediaries ;)
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jonnybarnes
s/sha-r/sha-2
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Loqi
jonnybarnes meant to say: aaronpk: remember the sha-2 intermediaries ;)
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: wat
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: are you already in brighton?
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GWG
Is there an agenda for tomorrow up already?
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neuro`
Do you plan to broadcast some sessions like you did last year?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yup, been here for dConstruct
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, just need someone to respond on twitter so I know if backfeed is working
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gRegor`
Link, ben_thatmustbeme?
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: done! feel free to nudge it by clicking the Poll Now button
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tantek_1
hello again from Brighton
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ben_thatmustbeme
gRegor` https://twitter.com/dissolve333 just started POSSE to twitter
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jonnybarnes
barnabywalters: what?
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow for some time i have not been processing webmentions. the cron job was removed when my hosted changed the server I was on.
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jeckman
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) it looks like IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2014 is the same weekend as BarCamp Boston
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jeckman
maybe a chance to engage some barcamp folks in indiewebcamp conversations?
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gRegor`
Twitter favorite deployed, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme
thanks, i have plenty to work with, finding errors in my webmentions code now
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ben_thatmustbeme
excellent, it worked
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@jeckman
@t #IndieWebCamp in Cambridge is same weekend as #BarCampBoston 9 - potential oppty? http://www.barcampboston.org/ and http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge
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ben_thatmustbeme
cron job fixed now too (i hope) so it should be good
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ben_thatmustbeme
sweet, even replying to twitter comments works fine
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks_ errgh, I wouldn't want anyone commenting on my post just to say "hey @dude check this out?"
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KevinMarks_
well, it's an instagram/fb pattern
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aaronpk
i've seen it done, been tagged in things like that, and tagged other people that way.
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KevinMarks_
twitter makes it a separate post with pointers
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gRegor`
I like Buzzfeed's placeholder for missing Flash support: http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/images/mobile/unavail_mobile.jpg?v=201409051514
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gRegor`
Re: tagging friends, I sorta did that the other day because it involved kylewm and snarfed, but I don't have multiple in-reply-to set up yet. So I just added a link to snarfed in the note as a cc
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snarfed
yup. works for people who accept homepage mentions (ie wm messages), but that's not many yet
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gRegor`
\o
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ben_thatmustbeme
woah, that wasn't what I really expected to happen... btmb.me/s/o
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ben_thatmustbeme
it pulled the thread all the way back to the first post. cool, but still unexpected
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: yup. intentional, and took some work. twitter does *not* make it easy to traverse full reply chains.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i can imagine. very cool
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snarfed
(specifically, there's no way to get the replies for a given tweet! i mean, wtf twitter, really)
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Loqi
snarfed has 44 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow, really?!
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ben_thatmustbeme
that is pretty silly
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snarfed
people have asked for it forever, and still no. :( https://dev.twitter.com/discussions/10056
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KevinMarks_
no-one has posted any sessions or demos for IWC UK?
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aaronpk
who can I throw money at to make coffee appear for IWC UK tomorrow?
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gRegor`
will accept money thrown at him for coffee, just in general :)
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techlifeweb
snarfed: with bridgy, to favorite a tweet, do I create a post on my site containing <a class='u-like u-like-of' href='URL_of_a_tweet_I_want_to_favorite'>
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snarfed
techlifeweb: yup! you actually only need u-like-of, but yes. https://www.brid.gy/about#like
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snarfed
aaronpk: surprisingly hard to give money away, eh?
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techlifeweb
snarfed: thanks.I think the indieweb Press This bookmarklet puts both in there.
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aaronpk
snarfed: lol yeah I just haven't heard anything from anyone who is organizing IWC
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snarfed
aaronpk: makes you hope someone is
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aaronpk
...yeah
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KevinMarks_
they're probably in the pub
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bret
are email addresses urls?
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snarfed
well they don't have a scheme
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snarfed
KevinMarks_: heh, yes. but plain email addresses don't include that :P
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snarfed
bret: someone talked here a while back about their project to interpret email addrs as urls, by abusing the user:passwd basic auth part of the url and omitting passwd
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snarfed
forgot the project name
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snarfed
aaronpk: exactly! once you add http://, sure
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KevinMarks_
safari says "possible phishing site"
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kylewm
bigblue something
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snarfed
bret: why do you ask?
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KevinMarks_
i think assuming mailto: before an email address-shaped thing is fine, notwithstanding acct:
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aaronpk
weird! "The address for the website you're visiting contains a username or password"
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aaronpk
chrome doesn't send the username when I visit that way
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aaronpk
neither does safari
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aaronpk
but curl does
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snarfed
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 46 karma
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bret
snarfed: i need to parse incoming email addresses. looking for a python lib that does some validation and returns the local and domain parts as parameters
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kylewm
dives into a pool of karma like scrooge mcduck
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bret
so far I can only find validation. I guess thats enough to write a weak regex and not have to worry about edge cases
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tantek
tries to catch up on logs
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KevinMarks_
aaronpk wants to send you money fro coffee, tantek
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tantek
I think Clearleft already has the equipment and materials to make coffee in house
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tantek
but perhaps for breakfast fruit / snacks?
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aaronpk
that's fine
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aaronpk
I haven't been able to actually get a hold of anyone organizing
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tantek
Jeremy mentioned that Clearleft has a paypal account apparently
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tantek
aaronpk - oh, besides me I guess ;)
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tantek
though it's just me, Jeremy, Tom
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aaronpk
so yeah I can send some money your way or to clearleft. I just don't have much ability to actually purchase things from here
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KevinMarks_
tantek: Also, my son Andrew is coming to IWC Brighton - he has a known site but is not a dev, so is generation 3
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tantek
KevinMarks_: will be great to have him!
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tantek
so… was he able to sign into the wiki with his Known site?
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tantek
aaronpk - makes sense
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KevinMarks_
yes, though currently you have to use the Solo theme, as the others don't put the rel-me links on the homepage
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KevinMarks_
Also, I did the wiki edit for him, as templates are a bit hard as a first edit
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tantek
copy and paste and change things?
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KevinMarks_
and learn URL syntax and so on.
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KevinMarks_
he's hoping to use a Known-based site for his theatre group and colleagues, so has a practical project in mind, and I think he'll get a lot of ideas from you all
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@briansuda
returns home after a long day @dconstruct, tomorrow @indiewebcamp and more interesting discussions.
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: saw your bridgy publish error on posting a tweet w/a picture. looking
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, snarfed I was about to ask. I didn't post when it should have from webmention, so I went into fixing up the markup a little and tried from the url box on the site
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ben_thatmustbeme
i've been getting a few errors saying it couldn't find my user on twitter. I'm guessing twitter was messing with something
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: i'll look tonight. if bridgy posts that tweet of yours once the bug is fixed, will you mind?
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: thx
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KevinMarks_
so how would you @ mention someone indieweb style? you can do it by including their home URL and it being webmentioned, but that is a bit odd
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aaronpk
why is that odd?
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KevinMarks_
and on my site would add a note to the front page
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aaronpk
I basically do that right now, but using my local nicknames cache instead of typing peoples full domains
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KevinMarks_
It is how we used to do it in blogs, true
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KevinMarks_
and technorati would give you a feed of them
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KevinMarks_
so maybe it's the lack of a reader that makes it odd
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KevinMarks_
putting them at the bottom, like http://www.kevinmarks.com/ is a bit odd
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aaronpk
you've seen how I do it, right? http://aaronparecki.com/mentions
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aaronpk
if you mention my home page it'll show up there too
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aaronpk
sure, but there's no reason you have to show home page mentions on your home page
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KevinMarks_
I could make a page just fot them and still use webmention heroku app