#indiewebcamp 2014-09-12

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@ekiledjian @withknown can you import an existing SquareSpace blog into http://withknown.com #blog #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510216238854070273)
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GWG kylewm: I need pfefferle to help me fix the reply context problem
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kylewm GWG: actually I have a tiny layout note on your site ... what would you think of making the margin on the top of the reply context smaller
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kylewm so that it's 10px on top and on the sides
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GWG Not a bad idea
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GWG I'm trying to decide if I want to keep the style for that
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GWG I am bringing back the syndication links
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kylewm the angle between the outer rounded corner and the inner rounded corner always bugs me a little
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acegiak morning all
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 day, 10 hours ago: I see your Whisperfollow plugin uses the JSON API. I have an idea for using it to add a reply/like/etc endpoints to Indieweb Taxonomy
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acegiak GWG: what would you need endpoints for? Isn't that all handled by webmentions?
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GWG Hi, acegiak
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GWG You got mymessage
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GWG kylewm: This is the testing for the new syndication formatting. https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/25/video-embed-test/
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GWG acegiak: Micropub
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GWG Did you see the demo at IWC UK of URL handlers so you could reply on someone else's site using your own?
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acegiak GWG: I feel like micropub should be a separate plugin that maybe depends on indieweb taxonomy
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GWG acegiak: I can agree with that. But you can also have intents, such as acegiak.net/reply?url=http://interestingsite.com
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acegiak I always thought hte closest thing to intents in a desktop environment were protocol definitions in urls
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acegiak like tel://0458...
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acegiak so I would have thought that to do a reply intent you'd do reply://thisurl.com and have the browser work it out from there
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GWG acegiak: The demo was registering your site as a URL handler so you could do that seamlessly.
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GWG You still need a place for the URL to be handled
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acegiak GWG: this true
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GWG acegiak: A full micropub installation is a separate plugin
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GWG acegiak: But just sending a URL to create a post in Wordpress might be better built in
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GWG So, reply and like can be endpoints built into the taxonomy plugin possibly
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acegiak I feel like the better way to do what you want is to just accept variables in the new post page to prepopulate?
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GWG Also, by the way, the plugin is broken
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GWG acegiak: I want to replace snarfed's Press This plugin
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acegiak ie http://acegiak.net/wp-admin/post-new.php?reply=test.com/example
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acegiak which plugin is broken?
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acegiak indiewebtaxonomy?
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acegiak agreed on the press this plugin replacing
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GWG Indieweb Taxonomy doesn't send webmentions.
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GWG I tried to trigger it using one of the pfefferle filters, can't get it to work.
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acegiak ohhh
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acegiak have you checked in the code?
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GWG But, the JSON endpoints would allow replacement of the PRess This plugin
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GWG acegiak: Sent you a PM
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acegiak looking now
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@skry Known explained: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb I'm excited about this platform. (twitter.com/_/status/510220946679296000)
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@OpenSourceTNews IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and ... http://zpzp.eu/?url=http://dlvr.it/6tP293 (twitter.com/_/status/510221045941272576)
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@Nadreck RT @skry: Known explained: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb I'm excited about this platform. (twitter.com/_/status/510222797193240576)
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GWG acegiak: I had a look at your site as part of my other project
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GWG You put your phone number up
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GWG Do you get unsolicited calls?
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@michaelverdi @lucas_gonze @Johannes_Ernst @indiewebcamp If you guys are going to be there next time, we can all meet in person. :) (twitter.com/_/status/510229335756636160)
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@dougmckown #IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510229966038908928)
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@BlkPhoenix66 IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content - https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=sendible&utm_campaign=RSS #SM (twitter.com/_/status/510234910096097281)
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@SuccesfulEndvrs IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content - https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=sendible&utm_campaign=RSS #SM (twitter.com/_/status/510234909425020928)
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@lauraelizdavis New open-source blogging software called Known allows users to cross-post to social: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510232589152821248)
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acegiak GWG: none so far
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GWG acegiak: Debating what to put in my h-card
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GWG acegiak: Is that your date of birth?
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acegiak yeah
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GWG I'm assuming, just to cover my own concerns, no one has ever stolen your identity?
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GWG Or is that not as big a problem down there?
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acegiak no one has yet
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acegiak I see what you mean though
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finchd resists /nicking acegiak_
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acegiak GWG: I don't exactly feel like I'm putting much more information out there than something like most social networks though
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GWG acegiak: As I said, trying to figure out what belongs on my site
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GWG So, I study others to help me
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acegiak GWG: you've unnerved me now but it's not like my date of birth isn't easily findable by other means
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acegiak i just wish I could make sure that it wasn't the "password" used for contacting companies I have services with
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GWG acegiak: I wasn't trying to unnerve you. I'm just an open, but somewhat private at times person.
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GWG I am cautious
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acegiak yeah. My openness is probably a part of my pathological obsession with identity
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GWG acegiak: I'm open. I answer questions openly. I've just been burned.
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acegiak fair enough
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GWG acegiak: I gave in and put up a picture. That was a long internal monologue
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acegiak GWG: for me it was finding the right picture
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acegiak it took ages for me to get the nerve to put up that one and I still question it
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GWG acegiak: As I've been told, no requirement for a photo, but it seems convention suggests it, because it looks odd when syndicating
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@torrey Testing the Indieweb. Hello indie - world! (twitter.com/_/status/510249000994226176)
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acegiak GWG: there's a rationale on one of the pages that made me switch to a photo from an icon
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GWG Icons are nice too
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JenniferEnglund Hi all. Any brid.gy and twitter users around tonite?
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GWG JenniferEnglund: Yes, and Hi
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JenniferEnglund <GWG> Trying to figure out why brid.gy is not pulling in retweets to my known site. Have already authorized brid.gy and Twitter...used to work but has stopped in the past two days. ?
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snarfed JenniferEnglund: looking now
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GWG JenniferEnglund: snarfed wrote the thing...he's better qualified
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snarfed JenniferEnglund: looks like it's sent a few: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/jmenglund03 . can you point me to specific RTs that didn't make it?
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snarfed interesting though, known doesn't show the last one it sent, to http://known.jenniferenglund.net/2014/ha-awesome-i-had-not-come-across-that-withknown-feature
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snarfed JenniferEnglund: nm, that's a favorite, and it does show it
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JenniferEnglund <snarfed> ok, that makes sense.
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snarfed the one recent tweet of yours with RTs i see is https://twitter.com/jmenglund03/status/508427908416016384 , and all three of those RTS are visible on http://known.jenniferenglund.net/2014/archival-process-beginsone-of-the-courses-i-am-taking-this
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@jmenglund03 Archiving #umnnexted course content on @withknown and #wordpress sites. #indieweb http://known.jenniferenglund.net/2014/archival-process-beginsone-of-the-courses-i-am-taking-this (twitter.com/_/status/508427908416016384)
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snarfed let me know if you see any others that are missing!
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JenniferEnglund <snarfed> thanks!
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@scribblerjack IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @gigaom (twitter.com/_/status/510257519524986880)
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GWG That article keeps posting in here
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snarfed GWG: retweets. note that they each have a different author at the beginning.
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GWG I know
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snarfed GWG: heh ok, sorry
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GWG Just commenting
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@ChrisAldrich #IndieWeb test http://boffosocko.com/2014/09/02/introduction-to-lie-groups-and-lie-algebras/ (twitter.com/_/status/510281943485661184)
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@deburca Adding #indieweb (with @kevinmarks & @benwerd) episode of TWiG podcast - it's not a netcast ;-) - to playlist http://twit.tv/show/this-week-in-google/266 (twitter.com/_/status/510294694409297920)
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aaronpk kylewm: snarfed: I do have pretty good stats on indieauth.com usage
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neuro` Good morning indieweb world
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boffosocko.com edited /WordPress (+42) "Added Chris Aldrich as example of independent using on primary site" (view diff)
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@Bali_Maha #ff @jmenglund03 for being a cool #indieweb buddy :) (twitter.com/_/status/510311475773472768)
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@jonathangrimes Learning about the Indie web http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/510312750501744640)
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Loqi [mention] http://jonathangrimes.withknown.com/2014/learning-about-the-indie-web- linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@thierrymarianne RT @superglaze: Very interesting new indieweb social/blogging platform called Known - might give this a try https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (piece … (twitter.com/_/status/510314934895665152)
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@Jonathonsciola @twitter dont break the newsfeed. Don't ever break the newsfeed. #dontbefacebook @Scobleizer #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510329275044470784)
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@AKhotdogman http://indiewebcamp.com/The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. (twitter.com/_/status/510329871373832192)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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neuro` Good morning tantek
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tantek.com created /The (+22) "redirect per contextual use in a tweet https://twitter.com/AKhotdogman/status/510329871373832192" (view diff)
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tantek good day neuro`!
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neuro` thank you!
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tantek indiewebcamp.com - where even if you typo mention a page that doesn't exist, we fix it for you so that it does exist.
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tantek per: https://twitter.com/AKhotdogman/status/510329871373832192
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@AKhotdogman http://indiewebcamp.com/The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. (twitter.com/_/status/510329871373832192)
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tantek and ooh that page needs updating
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tantek looks like it was a copy paste from an earlier page
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alanpearce ha :)
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tantek good day alanpearce!
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alanpearce hi.
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+21) "/* Bonus: get your own personal short domain name */ shorten heading" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+36) "/* Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere */ POSSE" (view diff)
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alanpearce I really want a short domain. Someone's trying to cash in on ap.uk/co.uk though :(
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tantek squatting?
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alanpearce I guess.
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@mediagazer IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ http://mediagazer.com/140912/p2#a140912p2 (twitter.com/_/status/510337225343512576)
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neuro` alanpearce: did you try more exotic TLDs? I had fv.gs less than 1 year ago
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alanpearce Well .me.uk seems like it might expire soon
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alanpearce And with the .uk rules, if they let ap.uk expire, I'll be able to claim it before anyone else :)
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tantek.com edited /How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain (-2) "putt TOC at end so at least we can link to stuff easily" (view diff)
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neuro` I love the domain search interface of http://www.gandi.net/ with a filter on only available
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tantek I like domai.nr
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alanpearce He, filtering in gandi makes my browser unresponsive
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neuro` alanpearce: mine too, but I filtered on 300+ tlds, which may not help. Reporting them the issue.
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tantek.com edited /OpenID (+188) "nice big useful link at the top so people don't waste much time with OpenID" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /indieweb (+252) "hCard->h-card, OpenID->IndieAuth, and other minor updates, get started, move forward" (view diff)
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@tante So if you are into the indieweb but still like integration with other networks @withknown (http://withknown.com) is actually quite nice. (twitter.com/_/status/510342886991605760)
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tantek wat
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tantek that's not me lol
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tantek though I agree with that tweet! :)
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@tante @diplix Kennst Du http://withknown.com/ ? Könnte Dich potentiell interessieren als publishing/indieweb Dingsi (twitter.com/_/status/510343221315391488)
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tantek waits for the first person to be confused between @tante and tantek
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yobj Is there any way to add rel="me" to links when I'm using Markdown?
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tantek yobj, do you use Markdown for your home page?
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tantek what's your personal site?
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yobj Yes I do. I realize I can drop in standard HTML, but it's ugly.
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yobj it's at www.jboy.us
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yobj apparently some markdown flavors allow [text](uri:loc)(:rel=nofollow), but not the one I use...
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tantek yobj - interesting! didn't know that about some markdown flavors.
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@pptown Wow... IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their… http://pptown.com/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content-mathew-ingramgigaom/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pptown+%28PPtown%29 (twitter.com/_/status/510352221683208193)
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@alastairotter A first post from Known. Playing with the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510353140474839040)
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@tomascuster IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content — Tech News and Analysis https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510354728241602560)
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@t Congrats @erinjo @benwerd shipping Known! https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ +TWIG @leolaporte @kevinmarks! http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Y51) (twitter.com/_/status/510356091746934784)
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neuro` Nice personal notepad project for people who don't want to give their data to Evernote http://kaspars.net/projects/html5-notepad
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tantek well done yobj! now add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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@ThatEmil @adactio Getting blank tag pages on https://adactio.com/ at the moment, e.g. https://adactio.com/journal/tags/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510356894700277760)
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tantek neuro`: shouldn't a personal notepad just be an indieweb note editing UI?
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neuro` tantek: you're right. I love the local storage part of that one, need to make something like this
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tantek neuro`: PRECISELY! We should all be using local storage on our websites for our post creationg / editing UI!
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tantek that's the interesting part of this - so nice find!
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neuro` Having local storage working indieweb tool would be the best argument against "Evernote syncs on all my devices" argument.
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neuro` Adding that to this week-end TODO
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tantek neuro`: exactly!
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tantek replace "Evernote syncs on all my devices"
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tantek with "My personal site syncs on all my devices"!
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tantek ownyoursync :D
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neuro` So far, I've been using tricks around git and sending myself emails, but it's a very geeky solution, and I'd love to come with something easier
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neuro` BTW I suppose you tried Known online version. I love the onboadring, really smooth.
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tantek Erin and Ben have done amazing work with the install/onboard experience.
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tantek so important
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@MichelleSunita https://t.co/BnMOuVlFcC... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed (twitter.com/_/status/510358621377413120)
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neuro` Yes, impressing. In my former company, we've spent 5 years trying to make a great onboarding experience for a complucated enterprise software, never succeeded
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@RyanMachara https://t.co/QDt3YrCiA8... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510359741457907712)
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tantek neuro`: "great onboarding" and "enterprise software" just don't mix ;)
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neuro` tantek: I know, but for a SAAS application that changes your way of working, it's mandatory.
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tantek is *still* writing up the IndieWebCampUK Hack Day Demo notes.
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neuro` I'll be very interested in reading them.
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tantek is relistening to the TWIG podcast in the background - so awesome hearing erinjo, benwerd, KevinMarks talk about all this stuff, and listen to Leo Laporte get more and more excited using Known for his own site.
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tantek neuro`: the demos writeup is so long that I'm doing it in a local text editor instead of the wiki UI / textarea.
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neuro` tantek: I understand your pain, I hate textareas, alway write in a text exitor, then c/p
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@DimitrisTzouris Just started using @withknown. Thank you so much, @erinjo & @benwerd! I have a very good feeling about this! Long live the #indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/510362692738371584)
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petermolnar neuro` offtopic, but have you tried Ghost's editor?
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neuro` petermolnar: I did yes, why?
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petermolnar was that as annoying as textareas?
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neuro` Not at all. But even with Medium like editors, I keep working in my text editor: I use too much keyboard shortcuts
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neuro` petermolnar: I'm developing Publify, which has this kind of editor.
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petermolnar right, I thought the issue was with the "classic" in-browser editors :)
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neuro` petermolnar: well, I love my editor fullscreen first, without apparent tabs or anything. Makes in browsers editors hard to use.
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neuro` but they've been improving lately
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yobj tantek: thanks. done!
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tantek yobj nice! now add an image too - like a few of the other have.
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@border_none Expect an illustrious board of #IndieWeb scene-setters — sign up for our #bono14 newsletter to be first in the queue https://border-none.net/2014/#c16 (twitter.com/_/status/510368957111762944)
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@jkphl RT @border_none: Expect an illustrious board of #IndieWeb scene-setters — sign up for our #bono14 newsletter to be first in the queue https… (twitter.com/_/status/510368994042589184)
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@tollwerk RT @border_none: Expect an illustrious board of #IndieWeb scene-setters — sign up for our #bono14 newsletter to be first in the queue https… (twitter.com/_/status/510368994050965504)
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tantek still love this quote from Leo: "The web is the web, it's not an app."
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neuro` Love it too.
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tantek such a great podcast
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neuro` I need to listen to it, didn't have the time yet.
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: Congrats @erinjo @benwerd shipping Known! https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ +TWIG @leolaporte @kevinmarks! http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Y51) (twitter.com/_/status/510370868187262976)
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@sherkhanbw IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @gigaom (twitter.com/_/status/510371142318575616)
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@endi Hello #indieweb World! Rolled a #RaspberryPi into a dedicated Known server. Thanks to @kyle_wm & @benwerd for their help. @withknown ftw (twitter.com/_/status/510371841278771201)
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tantek so close to being down with inital Hack Day Demos write-up!
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tantek goodness. almost 16k (16384) of typing that up yeseterday/today!
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tantek request for help: please help me with double-checking the links in http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Demos#Hack_Day_Demos that a) they are NOT broken, and b) they go to where they seem to intend to go to.
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tantek and with that I'm off to bed. phew!
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tantek IndieWebCampUK folks (and remote participants) please review http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Demos#Hack_Day_Demos for accuracy - I'm going to blog it in full length tomorrow (2014-09-12).
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jkphl tantek: write-up looks good to me! thanks for your efforts!
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@MelKirk IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510392627074990081)
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@JockelLohkamp ..heading for a #decentralized #Internet... http://www.dw.de/were-heading-for-a-decentralized-internet-but-will-we-get-there-by-2015/a-17522868 thxfs @annablume @Gatesnese_IoT #GETDBerlin #indieweb #IoT #P2P @mbauwens (twitter.com/_/status/510412482800648192)
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@EwoutWolff IndiewebCamp aan het bekijken. Federated internet - altijd beter dan de silo's van vandaag de dag: http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/510413117877420033)
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@BWIntlMedia IndieWeb advocates launch #Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content by @mathewi - https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ v @gigaom (twitter.com/_/status/510413276816371712)
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@anna_blume_hh RT @JockelLohkamp: ..heading for a #decentralized #Internet... http://www.dw.de/were-heading-for-a-decentralized-internet-but-will-we-get-there-by-2015/a-17522868 thxfs @annablume @Gatesnese_IoT #GETDBerlin #indieweb… (twitter.com/_/status/510424123957583872)
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@simprosoftware IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510425160051335168)
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@gsvcloud IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510427696547893250)
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@Tech_BlueMarble IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTim https://twitter.com/Tech_BlueMarble/status/510428509731561472/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510428509731561472)
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sammachin Hi Guys, I'd wanted to have this done for IndieWebCamp last weekend but other stuff took out the time, I'd like to announce my first release of IndieTalk http://sammachin.com/indie-talk/ WebRTC calling on your own site
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sammachin Right now its very much in Beta but it should be possible to put this onto your own site to recieve calls, or you can call me at http://sammachin.com/talk
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, back to work, but first, yay context is on my site
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Loqi woot
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@benwerd RT @endi: Hello #indieweb World! Rolled a #RaspberryPi into a dedicated Known server. Thanks to @kyle_wm & @benwerd for their help. @withkn… (twitter.com/_/status/510450462005280768)
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neuro` Hola benwerd
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benwerd Hola
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neuro` congrats for the launch, great press and amazing onboarding
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benwerd Thank you!!
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benwerd It's been really exciting.
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neuro` I can understand
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benwerd We fly out to NY this weekend to do another demo day on Tuesday
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neuro` Wow
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GWG benwerd: Demoing for who in NY?
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benwerd It's been an amazing journey.
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benwerd GWG: We do a second Matter.vc demo day out there
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benwerd Because it's a media accelerator
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GWG Enjoy your time here then
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benwerd and NY obviously has a huge concentration of media
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benwerd Would love say hello!
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neuro` benwerd: don't forget to take 24 hours to seat down and enjoy.
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GWG benwerd: Just in case...I'll say hello now
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benwerd neuro`: tomorrow is all about laundry and finding a way to stop all of my limbs from hurting
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GWG Today is about laundry for me. They just replaced my washing machine
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GWG I'm running low
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neuro` benwerd: hahaha welcome back on earth. You'll see, it feels great
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Loqi awesome
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neuro` benwerd: BTW, do you plan to make the URLs configurable in known? I can't migrate because of my permalink format.
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neuro` or maybe that's possible in the open source version
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benwerd The actual URL template format? It's not a feature right now, but it's a good idea
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neuro` and I've +- 10 years of posts I'd like to migrate
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GWG If not for the fact I'm pretty invested in Wordpress, known looks very nice
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neuro` benwerd: I'm writing a "hands on with known" blog post. Waiting for the first wave madness to pass before I push it.
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benwerd :)
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benwerd Awesome. I'd love to see that :) Thank you for writing it!
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benwerd Btw, the little heart we have in the top right of the screen? Amazing. People really use it. So much feedback.
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neuro` You're welcome. I'm jealous of your onboarding process, I've been struggling with that on Publify for ages
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benwerd Highly recommended as a hack to get a personal connection with your users.
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neuro` I really like it.
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benwerd neuro`: It's benefitted so much from erinjo. Having a UX person has been astonishing.
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neuro` I also wanted to know if you were interested by a Docker image so people can install / give a try the open source version smoothly.
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neuro` benwerd: it is, definitely.
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benwerd neuro`: we've had feedback asking for Docker already
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neuro` I've been in Docker a lot lately, so it won't be long
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neuro` Oh, cool
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kylewm benwerd: is the release on https://github.com/idno/idno/releases for public consumption yet?
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kylewm I know the docs still say to check out from git
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benwerd kylewm: github hates submodules, so it's actually best to grab the download from http://withknown.com/
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benwerd (it's on the front page, towards the bottom)
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kylewm ahh! I missed that, thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme hey benwerd, nice job with the launch
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benwerd thank you! :)
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benwerd We are psyched.
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benwerd Also exhausted to the core of our beings.
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benwerd But psyched.
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gRegor` Hey, benwerd. I was looking through Known code to try to duplicate the error it gets when parsing my pages for wms. I can't seem to find where that process starts. I did find the curl GET request in the Webservice.php, though
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benwerd There's a webmention() function in Idno\Pages\Entities\View (from memory)
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gRegor` I turned off all error_reporting() on my site, so Known can process them now, but I'd like to debug where the error on my site is coming from
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@kevinmarks RT @techlifeweb: Once you “get” webmentions and see federated comments, you start wish all sites had it. #indieweb http://techlifeweb.com/social/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/510465459800788992)
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@Suw @techlifeweb @kevinmarks I haven’t even heard of webmentions. Where can I get a primer? (twitter.com/_/status/510465855759478785)
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@kevinmarks @Suw @techlifeweb http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention and http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#webmention or ask in irc http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (twitter.com/_/status/510466463329947648)
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@techlifeweb @Suw It's all part of #indieweb. Tons of detail here http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/510466538059464704)
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@techlifeweb @Suw @kevinmarks yes...there's a bit to enabling wordpress for #indieweb now. I wrote this: http://techlifeweb.com/using-wordpress-for-indieweb/ . (twitter.com/_/status/510468398262669312)
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sammachin any UK people ever had problems with IndieAuth on the Three network?
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@Tech_BlueMarble Fresh: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTim (twitter.com/_/status/510471574915670017)
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@TechPineapple RT Tech_BlueMarble: Fresh: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter %E2%80%A6 #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTim (twitter.com/_/status/510471719723995136)
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@Tech_BlueMarble Fresh: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTim (twitter.com/_/status/510471766087856129)
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@Tech_BlueMarble Fresh: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTim (twitter.com/_/status/510471887806537729)
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@Tech_BlueMarble Fresh: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTim (twitter.com/_/status/510471987060547585)
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@cboudreaux RT @Digidave: "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510481769511272448)
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@xolotl RT @Digidave: "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510482144993357824)
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@b3gl RT @Digidave: "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510482241869205504)
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/4/24/1/_
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ben_thatmustbeme context!
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: whoaaaa, am I to gather that it parsed barnaby's post and fetched the previous in-reply-to from it?
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ben_thatmustbeme yep
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ben_thatmustbeme although, I don't think my own site is coded up right, when i made a reply to my own post it didn't seem to get the full history, trying now
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kylewm that's so great!
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ben_thatmustbeme could become very useful for messaging
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ben_thatmustbeme pull up the whole conversation timeline
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, thats weird
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/12/1/_
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ben_thatmustbeme the links are all wrong too
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kylewm heh
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, the links are corect, its just not getting the correct posts for some reason
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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kylewm getting called out in front of 12k people is motivating apparently ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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ben_thatmustbeme there must be something wrong with my markup, i don't have any clue how it got that other 'hello facebook' post in there
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@kevinmarks Great writeup of @indiewebcamp UK's Demos by @t http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Demos#Hack_Day_Demos lots of good links (twitter.com/_/status/510487191357632513)
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@julien51 It would really be awesome of #Radio3 supported webmentions. What do you think @t @aaronpk @BarnabyWalters? Discovery might be tough tho. (twitter.com/_/status/510487410598502401)
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@NewRealmMedia IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content — Tech News and Analysis - Mozilla Firefox... (twitter.com/_/status/510488761592197120)
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@Cuurio Cuurious about @withknown // #IndieWeb advocates created an open-source publishing tool to give users content control https://twitter.com/Cuurio/status/510491792962486273/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510491792962486273)
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kylewm.com edited /projects (+48) "/* Known */ update with info about Known release!" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /WordPress (+357) "Added some changes to better clarify the process for setting up IndieAuth." (view diff)
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kylewm boffosocko, you here?
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kylewm I'm concerned that this edit mixes up "adding rel-me links to support indieauth.com" and "using indieauth.com to log in to your own wordpress site"
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gRegor` Nice work, ben_thatmustbeme! My first inclination would be adding "in reply to [link]" reply-context, but you went all out. :)
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ben_thatmustbeme i had that before, but it wasn't noticable
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@black_duck_sw IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content | @gigaom https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510503454541090816)
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm still getting some weird error with processing my own site links
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@PBSMediaShift IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510504531378307074)
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@eaXLR RT @PBSMediaShift: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) http://… (twitter.com/_/status/510507197030498304)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: unmung is running on appengine, the code is up at https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung (twitter.com/_/status/510507659183665152)
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techlifeweb Bummer. It looks like all the necessary microformats are there, but http://indiewebify.me/ doesn't quite like the h-entry created in the Sempress theme for WP. Says "Add a photo!" Which is there but not quite in the syntax it wants I guess. Same with categories.
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benwerd Hey all! If anyone was feeling particularly kind, we'd love some indieweb comments: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/known-2
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benwerd (Sorry for the boundless self-promotion lately)
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techlifeweb kylewm: Boffosocko....agree with Kyle. I didn't need any plugins to get IndieAuth working for loging into sites like the indiewebcamp wiki.
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neuro` benwerd: I can't comment
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@PBSIdeaLab IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510513253030821888)
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@benwerd RT @PBSIdeaLab: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/510513448157868032)
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gRegor`_ kicks gRegor`
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@themediatwits IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510515779226595329)
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benwerd neuro`: d'oh! I guess it's a closed silo community. Sorry about that (and thanks for trying)
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@Tech_BlueMarble Repost: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTi (twitter.com/_/status/510516822765223936)
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kylewm !tell techlifeweb, your markup look ok to me, I think it's an indiewebify-me bug (it looks like it just takes the first h-card on the page)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@TechPineapple RT Tech_BlueMarble: Repost: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter %E2%80%A6 #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTi (twitter.com/_/status/510517019209658368)
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techlifeweb kylewm: thanks.
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Loqi techlifeweb: kylewm left you a message 59 seconds ago: markup look ok to me, I think it's an indiewebify-me bug (it looks like it just takes the first h-card on the page)
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gRegor` Just starting today, bridgy is saying no webmention support found on my note links. Still showing up for me in the Link header and in the <link>. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/12/1/
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kylewm !tell julien51 is Radio3 open source, or would it be a matter of sending webmentions on their behalf?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` ^snarfed
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snarfed gRegor`: sorry. :( looking
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snarfed it does indeed think gregorlove.com has no endpoint. i'll clear the cache and investigate
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snarfed k gRegor`, feel free to click "poll now," should work again
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neuro` benwerd: it's OK. And because of you, I'm back coding on Publify even though I asid I did not want to maintain it anymore after 8 years
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snarfed gRegor`: you can send manual wms for the missing responses: https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls
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benwerd neuro`: Awesome! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it!
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neuro` benwerd: so far, squashing 19 bugs and releasing tonight
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benwerd :)
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snarfed gRegor`: aha, your notes urls do a meta refresh. i don't think bridgy follows that
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gRegor` Wait, what?
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gRegor` investigates
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snarfed gRegor`: wait no nm, my bad
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snarfed gRegor`: you can see where bridgy didn't see your endpoint here: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1410539490&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo1MTA0NjQ4NTkxMDA1NzM2OTYM
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snarfed gRegor`: …but not much detail why. no chance you served a page w/o an endpoint around that time?
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gRegor` 09:30 Pacific?
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snarfed yeah
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gRegor` Suppose there could have been a server hiccup? Though I'd think you'd get a 404 or some other status
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gRegor` (on my end)
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gRegor` Haven't done any work on my site today. :shrug: No biggie.
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@mshook Learning about Known and indieweb and about to eat a tofu pot pie. (twitter.com/_/status/510520690022170624)
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snarfed gRegor`: yeah, i definitely believe you. kind of impossible that it would serve a 200 but arbitrarily omit parts
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aaronpk wow I just realized you can download an entire google calender as an .ics file
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aaronpk I have 7 years of events downloaded as a 2MB ics file
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neuro` benwerd: even though I've been maintaining my own soft since 2006, I'd switch to known if 1/ configurable permalink format 2/ non PHP.
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snarfed aaronpk: yup i do that every night in a cron job :P https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/backup_google.sh
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gRegor` snarfed: I've done quite a bit of note posting/brudgy publishing today, though nothing around that time.
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gRegor` brudgy, hah
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kylewm lol, 2's going to be a tough sell, neuro`
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neuro` kylewm: yup, I know.
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aaronpk snarfed: oh nice!
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aaronpk neuro`: what language do you prefer?
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snarfed gRegor`: found it. definitely a new bridgy bug. thanks for the report! i forgot to handle charset in content-type. https://github.com/snarfed/webmention-tools/commit/5d2e75a06f0761469f8cf89711b7bbb205bd0c62
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neuro` aaronpk: I have no religion except for PHP.
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aaronpk you hate php that much?
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gRegor` Ah, cool. I was just about to say I'm missing wms from before 9:30 Pacific too, so I didn't think that was the first.
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neuro` As an ex coder, yes, as a system administrator, even more.
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aaronpk it's one of the easier environments from a sysadmin point of view though
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neuro` But I must admit the language has evolved the good way since PHP5
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neuro` aaronpk: true, except when you need to secure an environment made of applications coded by people who have no idea about security.
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aaronpk ah yes
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finchd s/php/php--/g let me fix that for you
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@kevinmarks the helpful @withknown robot likes your feedback #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/510521788904660992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510521788904660992)
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aaronpk although people who have no idea about security can cause problems in almost any language/environment
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neuro` I understand why people use it, but I won't if I can.
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neuro` aaronpk: yup, I know, but PHP learning curve is faster than most languages
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aaronpk it's a double edged sword :)
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neuro` It is :)
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gRegor` snarfed: So bridgy choked on my 'text/html; charset=utf-8' since it wasn't just 'text/html'?
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neuro` Ironically, I've just signed for a new job with 60% of PHP
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snarfed gRegor`: yup. :( dumb, bad bug. thanks again for reporting!
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benwerd neuro`: PHP was a business decision (!). I know the developer reasons against, but the distributions for were just too great.
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benwerd * distribution reasons for.
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gRegor` Ahh, gotcha. Mine's been like that for ages, though, so that's interesting.
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neuro` benwerd: I definitely understand that from a business point of view. And I think I would have done the same.
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gRegor` Guess it had cached it before successfully somehow.
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snarfed gRegor`: that commit is from this morning :P
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` ::lightbulb::
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snarfed (gRegor`: i'd been checking for text/html in initial HEAD requests, so i just recently hit the first non-html link that rejected HEAD requests)
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gRegor` Ahh, yeah. I ran into some indieweb person that rejected HEAD requests when I was working on my wm code. Forget who it was.
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gRegor` Glad to have helped :)
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@metalsec Dipping my toes into the #indieweb with @withknown. Thanks to @leolaporte for a hosting a fascinating discussion. (twitter.com/_/status/510523274439057408)
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kylewm I think node.js has been an uphill climb for Ghost
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kylewm re: php as a business decision
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gRegor` snarfed: Nice that I can grab the bridgy URLs from the logs, too, instead of manually creating them.
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ben_thatmustbeme yay, all done my context history thread
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/12/1/_
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snarfed gRegor`: ah smart!
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ben_thatmustbeme and it works!
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gRegor` The missed wms are all on the 'recent' list, at least
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme++ so great
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 10 karma
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@inbodyd RT @kevinmarks: the helpful @withknown robot likes your feedback #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/510521788904660992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510524180870098945)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: that's awesome
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@inbodyd Now using @withknown RT @kevinmarks: the helpful @withknown robot likes your feedback #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/510521788904660992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510524268744941568)
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aaronpk you follow the context back to the first in the thread?
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ben_thatmustbeme yep
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aaronpk nice. I don't think anyone else has done that!
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kylewm let's make a diamond inheritance reply chain for ben_thatmustbeme
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 11 karma
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kylewm :)
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, it will handle that fine
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ben_thatmustbeme and it won't run them twice
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ben_thatmustbeme :D
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kylewm clicking between two notes by you on the same reply chain looks really nice
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kylewm feels almost "single-page-appy"
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aaronpk yeah!
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snarfed http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#reply_thread
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snarfed "IndieWeb examples…none so far." not any more!
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aaronpk ooo
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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gRegor` I'm so appy . . . ♫
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme++ this is a hard enough problem that tantek proposed we build it as a standalone service a while back. maybe consider exposing it like that eventually?
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gRegor` Does it work with tweets, too, ben?
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ben_thatmustbeme you could, the only bit of code to actually do it is on github, its not that difficult
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ben_thatmustbeme its just a matter of pulling out the data well
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ben_thatmustbeme and DB structure
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aaronpk what's the hard part?
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aaronpk i haven't really thought about it yet
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snarfed aaronpk: hard maybe isn't the right word; it's just a substantial amount of work to get it right and robust
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed. its easy to mess it up
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ben_thatmustbeme i figure this could be pretty important for do messaging
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ben_thatmustbeme s/do/doing/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i figure this could be pretty important for doing messaging
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@ChrisAldrich IndieWeb test 2 from withknown (twitter.com/_/status/510527783844331520)
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, not sure my markup is very good on it though https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/09/12/2/great-work-ben-have-a-feeling-you
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gRegor` Bridgy caching webmention endpoints reminds me to ask if anyone else does that.
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gRegor` It may mean occasionally sending a webmention to a page that doesn't support it, but that seems better than performing the discovery each time.
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snarfed yeah. webmention endpoints are expected to change very rarely. eminently cacheable
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snarfed gRegor`++ for reporting the bug, btw. pushed the fix.
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: I've sort of given up on always doing a good job parsing titles vs. contents
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snarfed gRegornobacktick++ sigh
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Loqi gRegornobacktick has 14 karma
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` Even if Loqi's regex ever gets fixed, everyone will be used to using gRegornobacktick and it will be too late :)
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Loqi dude
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gRegor` Loqi: sweet
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ben_thatmustbeme probably a good idea to cache them
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kylewm just out of curiosity
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kylewm gRegor++
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Loqi too much karma!
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kylewm ohh, Loqi's karma rate limiter applies across channels
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gRegor` Loqi++
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gRegor` regex(+{2})
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gRegor` regex(\+{2})
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, now to see if the cronjob for pulling in context actually works...
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ben_thatmustbeme i can see this is going to get out of hand quickly though http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/12/2/_
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gRegor` kylewm: I think 'gRegor' has a couple karma from tantek
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: What's the the trailing underscore for?
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ben_thatmustbeme ehh, hack. i don't put titles on notes and the regex didn't like it not existing at all
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ben_thatmustbeme its on my to fix list
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ben_thatmustbeme basically its an empty slug, but it was breaking things without it
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: did you send me a webmention for that reply?
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ben_thatmustbeme i should have
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Loqi yea!
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ben_thatmustbeme umm, loqi is happy for no reason
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll try manually from your site
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ben_thatmustbeme huh.... odd
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kylewm I don't think i get them from barnaby either, maybe a certificate issue?
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ben_thatmustbeme huh.. maybe
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ben_thatmustbeme just tried another to that same post
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ben_thatmustbeme i tested to make sure i'm sending, but i don't have the exact response from your site
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kylewm hmm, the last POST /webmention i got was 1:57
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kylewm sorry, that's so not ops of me.... 20:57
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kylewm oops gotta run
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ben_thatmustbeme well i created a situation perfect for diamond context tree
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm using a the php-mentions library
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bret whoa aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/08/1/ Have you rsvp
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@alanpearceuk Making progress on my little #indieweb project :) @quagliero #RedGreenBed https://twitter.com/alanpearceuk/status/510542983230656512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510542983230656512)
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bret rsvp'd to multiple targets before?
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bret This gives me ideas
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@themanual @benjkowalski We don't know if that's comments, or webmentions, but it's definitely in our mind. —pp (twitter.com/_/status/510543554608103424)
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@quagliero RT @alanpearceuk: Making progress on my little #indieweb project :) @quagliero #RedGreenBed https://twitter.com/alanpearceuk/status/510542983230656512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510544577854337025)
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@quagliero Red, Green, Bed! is gaining traction. MT “@alanpearceuk: Making progress on my little #indieweb project #RedGreenBed http://t.co/kzTQ31A3ae” (twitter.com/_/status/510544816799612930)
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@Porter_Anderson .@WithKnown to "help people maintain their own home on the web instead of signing over their content." @mathewi https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510547166021287936)
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@isaacada1 RT @gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510550532885209088)
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@nickdigital IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content — Tech News and Analysis https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_content=buffer69b41&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/510551194247651330)
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@mediatwit IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510553505195909120)
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@coreyford Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @erinjo (twitter.com/_/status/510558141159710720)
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@erinjo RT @coreyford: Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @… (twitter.com/_/status/510560992250449921)
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kylewm IndieAuth-Links for WordPress is outdated and not recommended right? cc: GWG, snarfed
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snarfed kylewm: got me
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GWG kylewm: I never used it
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GWG I don't support Indieauth on my site right now
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@Tech_BlueMarble Last: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be http://tech.bluemarbletimes.com/?p=148395&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #Tech #Technology #BlueMarbleTime (twitter.com/_/status/510562120631865344)
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@benwerd RT @coreyford: Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @… (twitter.com/_/status/510563126664630272)
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@Hoknwg RT @coreyford: Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @… (twitter.com/_/status/510563665867571200)
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bret oy is feedburner.com/
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bret down for anyone else?
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snarfed bret: the front page? nope. http://isup.me/feedburner.com neither
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snarfed fyi all, the WP indieweb bundle plugin is old, missing features, and confuses people. i'm going to drop it from the WordPress page entirely
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kylewm ^that may be what i was thinking of
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snarfed ah
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GWG Boffosocko.com...that is new
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kylewm I knew there was some plugin that was outdated and redundant :)
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GWG snarfed: It was a good idea, but the workflow wasn't there
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snarfed GWG: release mgmt iz hard, let's go shopping
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GWG snarfed: I think there is some sort of git to svn/wordpress script someone wrote to automate it
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snarfed GWG: pfefferle's trying to improve it. details in https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb/commit/0908dd7b9eeb8c575ce5fcf8db2673dc368766e6
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snarfed (follow-up questions are above my pay grade :P)
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@mattervc RT @coreyford: Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @… (twitter.com/_/status/510566172530868224)
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@shawnvenkat RT @coreyford: Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @… (twitter.com/_/status/510566659170377728)
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GWG snarfed: How do you decide if your own plugin should be encouraged or discouraged?
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snarfed GWG: sorry? i don't follow
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GWG snarfed: I have a few Wordpress plugins I'm developing. How do I decide, objectively, if anyone other than me should use them?
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snarfed GWG: heh. sounds like a judgment call
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finchd GWG: well, try installing them from scratch, obeying your own guides *literally*. then decide if the number of questions people ask, and issues they make on github, are worth it
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kylewm maybe an obnoxious question... is there any baseline / rule of thumb for how fast different aspects of a web application need to be?
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kylewm i've been profiling and benchmarking a little bit, but i don't know e.g., how long the initial query can take, how long rendering should take, etc.
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kylewm like if a DB query takes 130ms, is that a lot? :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: wasn't there some 1s to render rule
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 8 hours ago: just fyi, fixed https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/issues/22 . you can now @-reply with pictures
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KartikPrabhu so by that metric if request to render is 1s then a DB query taking 130ms is a lot
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kylewm actually I think I misspoke, I think it was 130ms to render
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kylewm I need to go back and look at it tonight
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snarfed kylewm: usually people only look at total latency. low 100s of ms is good, under 1s is meh, over 1s is bad
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snarfed and i assume you're familiar with tools like http://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/
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kylewm yeah pagespeed dings me no matter what i do
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GWG I installed Nginx Pagespeed, but it created load.
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kylewm (they recommend improving response time for anything over 200ms)
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kylewm thanks snarfed, KartikPrabhu
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kylewm GWG: is Nginx Pagespeed related to the google site?
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GWG Yes
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GWG https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module
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kylewm ah
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