#indiewebcamp 2014-11-22

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tantek thinking: online archive, vs. archive copy
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tantek to distinguish the two
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tantek either/both could be "dated" so "dated archive" was insufficient to disambiguate
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gregorlove.com created /Internet_Archive (+155) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /archive.org (+30) "r" (view diff)
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tantek interesting, if you append /allactivity to the end of your profile URL it gives a very different view
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tantek in FB
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aaronpk whoa
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gregorlove.com created /Wayback_Machine (+310) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek whoa - with a *permalink* for EVERYTHING
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aaronpk not just things I posted either
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tantek it IS all nouns!
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aaronpk "you were mentioned in a post"
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tantek jackpot
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tantek "you were tagged in a post"
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tantek "you were tagged in so-and-so's photo"
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gRegor` Yeah, that's the "View Activity Log" from the profile
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aaronpk dang it's even got the little things that show up in the activity sidebar, like my spotify listening
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tantek "Tantek is going to hyperlinked-event-name" <-- RSVPs!
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gRegor` I use it ~monthly, since my settings are to approve any taggings before they appear on my timeline
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aaronpk oh man there was a song that was apparenttly on repeat for HOURS.. it shows up hundreds of times in a row
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gRegor` Lets you change visibility of any of those items, too, or remove them
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gRegor` Hahah, aaronpk
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tantek "Tantek likes so-and-so's post"
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gRegor` We won't judge you for loving Taylor Swift
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aaronpk this is an interesting view. it's an "[actor] [verb] [subject] [object]" sentence on the left, and the object itself on the right
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gRegor` Checkbox for "include only me activity" at the top
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aaronpk "Aaron Parecki posted something via aaronparecki.com."
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snarfed aaronpk: shades of activitystreams
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snarfed ducks
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gRegor` Shows things you searched for
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aaronpk not sure when it decides to say "You" vs "Aaron Parecki"
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tantek snarfed: obvious comment is obvious :P
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tantek not shades of - *is a*
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tantek and here's a permalink of a like post on FB: https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10100983037811143:0
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tantek (should be publicly viewable even)
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tantek (without login)
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aaronpk neat
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aaronpk do likes of status updates get URLs too?
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tantek man, gonna have to document lots more real world examples of post permalinks!
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aaronpk looks like yes!
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KevinMarks I think that page is the legacy of monica's activity Streams work at Facebook
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gRegor` the permalink for likes is interesting vs the original content.
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aaronpk oh she was at facebook?
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aaronpk did not realize that
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gRegor` I liked a photo. Photo link is at photo.php?id=X. Like link is at /gregorlove/posts/Y, but just shows the photo.
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aaronpk up at the very top it should say "gregor liked this photo" or something
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gRegor` No anchor to the 'likes' or comments area
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aaronpk I didn't notice it at first
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gRegor` Ah yes
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gRegor` Down arrow beside it has "I don't like this" option
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gRegor` And "Turn on/off notifications"
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tantek.com created /Tantek_Çelik (+29) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /like (+457) "/* Facebook */ add real world example like permalink with blockquote and some analysis" (view diff)
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@acegiak RT @kevinmarks: Barbie joins the #indieweb (via https://computer-engineer-barbie.herokuapp.com/view/64622 ) https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/535236246709497856/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/535954557268803584)
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gregorlove.com edited /HiddenID (+41) "dfn, see also" (view diff)
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gRegor` KevinMarks++ for indieweb Barbie
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Loqi KevinMarks has 72 karma
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tantek "x became friends with y"
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tantek "x sent y a friend request"
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tantek so strange that sometimes it uses 2nd person "you (verb) … " and sometimes 3rd person "yourname (verb) …"
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mko Lol, nice, KevinMarks. IndieWeb Barbie rocks.
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mko KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 73 karma
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tantek "person-name joined group-name"
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KevinMarks Note that barbie is in classic tantek 2 laptops mode
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tantek lololol
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GWG What is Class Tantek 2 Laptops Mode?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Class Tantek 2 Laptops Mode" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Class+Tantek+2+Laptops+Mode
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tantek just realized /Instagram *also* has no sequential nav from their photo permalinks, i.e. no way to navigate to the next/previous photo from someone
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tantek on website photo permalinks, nor when view a single photo in their iOS native app. no way to swipe/nav left/right previous/next
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tantek this lack of sequential nav was one of my biggest frustrations (still unsolved) with Twitter which drove me to creating Falcon
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KevinMarks_ is that the ios 'back to home' design pattern leaking through?
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tantek it's just laziness
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aaronpk may also have scaling implications when operated by massive silos
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gregorlove.com edited /Akismet (+324) "Implementations + Libraries" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - wordpress.com doesn't seem to have that problem :)
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gRegor` Got inspired to clean up my Akismet code and make it available: https://github.com/gRegorLove/php-akismet
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tantek I wonder if Akismet could be used for the "approval algorithm" in /vouch
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gRegor` I haven't visited /vouch in a while, but I'd definitely considered Akismet as a relatively quick way to check incoming webmentions for obvious spam.
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gRegor` an intermediate step to /vouch support
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aaronpk gRegor`: I don't trust akismet. it started miscategorizing in both directions pretty bad on a couple of my wordpress blogs
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aaronpk I even emailed them and asked and they were like "nah it's cool"
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gRegor` Huh. Interesting.
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tantek aaronpk - perhaps add to /Akismet#Issues ?
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tantek that's useful anecdata
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gRegor` aaronpk: Starting last week, I started getting a LOT more coming through, but I think that was on my end because of this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-20#t1416526983392
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aaronpk oh hey, since switching the wiki login to https, it looks like my login session is now *only* on the https version. I'm not logged in on http
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gRegor` Changing it to cURL and fixing the logic (didn't account for missing responses) has had it working 100% since
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aaronpk hm, I have since taken down that blog, so I can't keep fiddling with it to see what the problem was
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gRegor` Oh sure, didn't expect you to.
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aaronpk oh wow that was in 2011 that I was having problems. is that still worth noting on the wiki?
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gRegor` I do believe the WordPress plugin - still - is using fsockopen and building the request headers manually, which is just crazy to me.
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aaronpk probably because curl isn't available on all php installations
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kylewm what is least common denominator
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "least common denominator" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=least+common+denominator
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gRegor` 345 comments blocked yesterday
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gRegor` 270 so far today
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aaronpk how many legit comments did you get?
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gRegor` 0 :)
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gRegor` Haven't blogged in a while though
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aaronpk yeah see I'd just rathre not deal with that effort in the first place :) disabled local comments long ago and haven't lookde back since
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tantek can akismet be used for comments received via webmention?
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aaronpk I think so? see /Akismet#API
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gRegor` Yes
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bret there is also https://spamicity.info/
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bret looking at its api now
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bret looks like it checks out AS objects
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kylewm spamicity is a pump.io thing
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gRegor` Akismet accepts a comment_type field "May be blank, comment, trackback, pingback, or a made up value like "registration""
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aaronpk or like, say, "webmention"?
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bret kylewm: presumably it could also check if anything is spam, but might require encoding AS
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gRegor` The basic required fields are your base url, permalink of the post, comment author, email, url, and content. So you could submit webmention for that.
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kylewm bret: oh yes probably, i was adding not correcting
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gRegor` Exactly, aaronpk
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aaronpk interesting
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bret what is ham vs spam?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ham vs spam" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ham+vs+spam
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aaronpk i still feel kinda bitter from that support response
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bret aaronpk: context?
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kylewm the awesome and terrifying power of customer support
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GWG You're back
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GWG Netsplit
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gRegor` bret: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-21#t1416623298383
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bret weird
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kylewm spamicity source code is a 404 link with no obvious replacement in evanp's github...
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bret kylewm: https://github.com/e14n/activityspam maybe?
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kylewm doh!
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bret maybe the repo didnt track a name change
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kylewm looks fairly abandoned
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bret i wonder what it would take to make a bridgy plugin for pump
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kylewm I want to talk to pump directly!
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kylewm they have a well maintained python lib
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kylewm thanks to MediaGoblin
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bret so far the only thing pump has is its API which is basically oauth + AS
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bret and federation between pumps
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aaronpk bret: support from akismet
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gregorlove.com edited /Akismet (+3) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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tantek__ as noted above http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-21#t1416615644822 there is real world precedence for a distinct "tag of" post type, found just two days after I hypothesized that such a post type made sense...
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tantek__ similar to a like-of or a repost-of post
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tantek__ thus does it seem reasonable to use a 1:1 naming/mapping of a property similarly named to u-like-of and u-repost-of
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tantek__ and thus, "u-tag-of"
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tantek__ anything I'm missing, or any better suggestions offhand?
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GWG I'm reading up to get the meaning.
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GWG I'm missing what u-tag-of represents?
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tantek__ GWG, do you understand what u-like-of representes?
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tantek__ interesting, our /tags page doesn't even say why or how to markup tags of posts
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GWG Yes.
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GWG Then what is a category?
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tantek__ I think we already disposed of any such distinction
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tantek__ in yesterday (or was it the day before) discussion
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GWG I may have missed it.
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GWG Will go read
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tantek__ in short - in practice they are treated the same. user defined/created spaces of labels. whether explicitly hierarchical or implicitly with a "/" in the string, it matters not
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tantek__ tags are merely fashionable new(er) name for categories
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tantek__ even though WP tried to distinguish them
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tantek__ in practice, people don't really distinguish
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tantek__ so back towhat u-tag-of represents
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GWG But then what is u-tag-of for? That a post is indicative of a tag?
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GWG That is what I'm trying to figure out.
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tantek__ u-tag-of is similar to u-like-of. instead of indicating that the current post is a like of another post, u-tag-of indicates that the current post is a tagging of the linked to post.
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GWG What is tagging?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tagging" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=tagging
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tantek.com created /tagging (+18) "r" (view diff)
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GWG Do you have an example?
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tantek__ at what level?
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GWG For one post tagging another post. I always thought of tags as a property, not a relationship
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tantek__ so did I until two days ago
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GWG Not so bad. I'm usually months or years behind you
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GWG Now I am only 48 hours
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tantek__ I'm trying to get faster at communicating things as I think of them instead of waiting ;)
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GWG You have been at this a while.
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GWG I've been thinking of this as part of the community since March. How many years have you been doing this sort of work?
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tantek__ what do you mean by "this sort of work"? could you be more specific?
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GWG In the broadest sense, contemplating standards.
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GWG In the narrowest sense, aren't we 4+ years into Indiewebcamp?
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tantek__ contemplating *new* standards of some sort, especially cross-platform, since 1992 (and before that simply learning about/using standards like SQL, Postscript back to 1987)
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GWG Thus I expect you to be ahead of me due more time thinking about it.
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tantek__ actively working on (new) web standards since 1998. microformats since 2004.
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GWG I'm still curious. How does a post tag another post? I don't get the relationship.
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tantek__ you could ask the same question about how does a post like another post?
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GWG I see that as a response.
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tantek__ it's analagous
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tantek__ as is a tagging
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tantek__ link blogging for example is another form of / way to tag arbitrary URLs
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GWG So, it is... Tantek tagged that post on Indiewebcamp with the tag Indiewebcamp?
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tantek__ right
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GWG Therefore, I as the post author, could add that as a p-category to my site automatically, because I want to crowdsource my data?
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tantek__ just as you would automatically add comments you receive via webmention
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tantek__ or likes, or reposts
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tantek__ think of a tag on a post as a very lightweight comment
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GWG I feel an Issue filing with the Webmention plugin coming on.
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GWG The moderation on this would be a pain though
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tantek__ why any worse than comment moderation?
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tantek__ or "like" moderation?
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tantek.com created /people-tagging (+24) "r" (view diff)
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GWG Because organization is very personal
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tantek__ just as you keep comment content separate from post content, you can also choose to keep 3rd party tags separate from your own tags
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tantek__ and even link back to their original tag-reply posts to show where they came from
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tantek.com edited /tags (+223) "move Hashtags, Person Tags, Private Tags from intro to their own section to simplify intro, general page cleanup" (view diff)
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GWG tantek: You have me reading WordPress arguments on this subject.
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GWG How they implemented tagging.
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tantek__ yes they overthought it
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tantek__ like many things in WordPress UX
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GWG Actually, I was reading the fighting about Taxonomy Meta data.
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GWG Dating back 4 years of arguing
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GWG I was thinking about a private and public tag set...which means one of two things...
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GWG 1. Separate taxonomies
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GWG 2. Taxonomy meta
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GWG However, #2 doesn't exist...
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tantek__ and it turns out 99% of people don't care about all that and are happy with just flat hashtags
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tantek__ which pretty much ended all the arguments in practice except the edgecasers
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tantek__ Twitter, IG, etc. all demonstrated this. simpler better. flatter better.
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tantek__ real world massive user test as it were.
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GWG tantek: Which means I now know how to write the issue up.
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GWG https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/13
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GWG There.
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ben_thatmust i'm trying to real mf2's parsing algorithm... kinda confused on what the hell area[href]:only-of-type:not[.h-*] means exactly
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ben_thatmust i follow a lot of it, its the only-of-type:not[... that i get lost
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GWG ben_thatmust: Did you notice the update on that issue with the SSL?
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ben_thatmust the library, i did
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ben_thatmust i didn't see anything in ruby itself
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ben_thatmust just that the lib owner created another bug for it on ruby-lang and said he'd try to figure out a temp work-around
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GWG tantek
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GWG tantek__: How would a u-tag-of indicate what something was being tagged as?
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ben_thatmust oh, looks like he did add a patch for ruby-lang
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aaronpk today in URLs should be hackable:
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aaronpk https://bitly.com/pages/contact https://bitly.com/pages/tour https://bitly.com/pages/pricing ... notice a pattern? so what's at https://bitly.com/pages
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aaronpk turns out it's not a bitly page
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mlncn heh
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aaronparecki.com edited /Akismet (+403) "anecdote about missed spam categorization and handling by support" (view diff)
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dubiousdod.org edited /HiddenID (+97) "Link to Bret's comment" (view diff)
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ben_thatmust trying to patch php-mf2 to support <area> stuff
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ben_thatmust i "think" i did it
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aaronpk whoa
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GWG aaronpk: Whoa?
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aaronpk i don't even understand how that stuff works :P
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GWG Which stuff?
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aaronpk mf2 parsing code
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ben_thatmust https://gist.github.com/dissolve/2911540317b48514f4c6
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ben_thatmust what i have thus far
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ben_thatmust i think i might take a stab at just rewriting php-mf2
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GWG ben_thatmust: Upstream is usually a good thing
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aaronpk rewriting?!
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ben_thatmust yeah
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ben_thatmust at least re-organizing a little
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ben_thatmust and commenting with the exact lines from the mf2 parsing algorith
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aaronpk would it be worth parsing out the coords value a little more?
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ben_thatmust its all spelled out pretty slearly
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aaronpk like returning x,y values explicitly?
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ben_thatmust i don't think so, those would stay in the same format as the area tag, which could be circle, rect, poly
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aaronpk otherwise everyone is gonna have to parse coords based on the shape attribute
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ben_thatmust and honestly all we would be doing with it is passing it right back in to an area map
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aaronpk i dunno, guess that's really a #microformats discussion
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ben_thatmust most likely anyway
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ben_thatmust i just followed the algorithm
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk maybe parsing coords+shape is out of scope of microformats parsing
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ben_thatmust thats like there is new audio tag stuff that would be cool to get in there
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ben_thatmust although i think it handles those fine actually
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ben_thatmust i think it might be out of scope yeah
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tantek scrolls up
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tantek right, parsing inside the coords and shape attribute I left out of scope
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tantek they're purely pass through
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ben_thatmust https://github.com/dissolve/php-mf2 very minor changes to add support for it
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tantek for exactly that reason ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek passing it right back in to an area map
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tantek aaronpk, funny about that bitly pages URL
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tantek GWG re: "How would a u-tag-of indicate what something was being tagged as?" - for now, read through the IRC log from 2 days ago for details. short answer, the "tag reply" itself has a "p-category" of any tag it wants to assign to the thing it is replying to
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: re: area[href]:only-of-type:not[.h-*]
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ben_thatmust GWG: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-19 starts around 13:05
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GWG I'm reading it
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tantek that means: an area element with an href attribute that is the only area element, and it has no h-* classes on it
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tantek make sense?
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tantek note that that's just an extension to the same rule with just "a" that was there before
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ben_thatmust ahhhhh
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tantek in the imply URL parsing section: .h-x>a[href]:only-of-type:not[.h-*]
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ben_thatmust yes, i was just copying half the line, just wasn't clear on the only-of-type bit
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ben_thatmust makes perfect sense now
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tantek yeah, complex CSS selectors need to be broken down piece by piece to understand
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tantek cool
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ben_thatmust although, with that, could that be confusing if there is an 'a' and an 'area', they are both the only of that type
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tantek good catch!
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tantek though unlikely to be siblings
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tantek due to how area and a work
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ben_thatmust unlikely yes
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tantek still… checking
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tantek a-ha, I have to split it into two steps
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tantek checking for other ambiguities of that pattern...
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ben_thatmust yeah, just give one precedence over the other and it all falls out
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tantek it's the only one
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tantek one moment
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ben_thatmust yeah, i was just about to say that, all the others are fine
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GWG tantek: I tried to write that up.
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david.shanske.com edited /tags (+665) (view diff)
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tantek GWG - tried to write what up?
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GWG Is that how it goes?
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GWG The tag thing
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GWG I may be still confused
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tantek oh hey - not bad :)
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tantek looks quite good actually
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tantek p-category h-card example should be on an <a href> instead of a <span> and use a full name not just first/nickname
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tantek goes back to editing uf2-parsing
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david.shanske.com edited /tags (+44) "/* mark up and post a tag */" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /person-tag () "(-830) /* Ben Roberts */ remove old thoughts" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: updated http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_for_implied_properties
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tantek should be simpler / more clear now
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tantek hmm - nothing to do with private tags per se
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tantek needs moving...
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tantek one moment
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ben_thatmust indeed, clearer now, thats how i did it anyway when modifying php-mf2
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ben_thatmust okay, to bed now, its late
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david.shanske.com edited /person-tag (+378) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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GWG As long as I'm exampling.
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tantek.com edited /tags (+61) "fix person tag example" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /person-tag (+1) "/* = Basic Person Tagging example */" (view diff)
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tantek GWG - see how I shortened the URLs, code in the /tags examples
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tantek it makes them much more readable
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GWG Oh.
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tantek see if you can do the same to what you just added
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tantek also note the use of <a href> instead of <span> for the "p-category h-card" elements
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tantek in /tags
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david.shanske.com edited /person-tag (-18) "/* Basic Person Tagging example */" (view diff)
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GWG I find examples very useful when trying to code something.
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tantek indeed
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tantek GWG, repeat: ote the use of <a href> instead of <span> for the "p-category h-card" elements
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tantek s/ote/note
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Loqi tantek meant to say: GWG, repeat: note the use of <a href> instead of <span> for the "p-category h-card" elements
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GWG Missed that
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tantek also, can't have <span href>
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tantek the <area> markup will take some more work
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tantek I can work on that later tonight or tomorrow
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GWG That was a typo actually.
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david.shanske.com edited /person-tag (-3) "/* Basic Person Tagging example */" (view diff)
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tantek GWG - specifically, note <a href="http://bob.example.com/" class="p-category h-card">Bob Smith</a>
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tantek instead of <span>
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GWG I must be tired.
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GWG I'm going to fix this and get some sleep
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tantek good! contained small tasks are a good thing.
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tantek I'll wait and verify your changes.
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tantek pairing from afar
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david.shanske.com edited /person-tag (+68) "/* Basic Person Tagging example */" (view diff)
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GWG Should be done now.
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tantek updating a bit
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+69) "/* Basic Person Tagging example */ complete with author in 3rd person" (view diff)
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tantek GWG - that should do it
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dubiousdod.org edited /Tor (+1551) "Basic description" (view diff)
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@lehrblogger RT @finitor: Memento mori http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/536072924646883328)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/535526280431960066/415643 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/FreeMyOAuth (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/quelles-sont-les-apps-ayant-un-accs-oauth-vos-comptes linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/FreeMyOAuth (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/535526280431960066/536104387072892928 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/FreeMyOAuth (webmention)
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@michielbdejong RT @rhiaro: Support IndieHosters! http://www.wired.com/2014/11/indie-hosters/ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536119590993264640)
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@IndieHosters RT @rhiaro: Support IndieHosters! http://www.wired.com/2014/11/indie-hosters/ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536119945109975040)
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@IndieHosters @TheTechTwit We'd love to help you to join the #indieweb :) What do you need? please tell us, and we'll help! (twitter.com/_/status/536122792115453953)
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tantek.com edited /tags (+10) "finish that intro thought" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/patrol () "marked revision 15686 of [[Tor]] patrolled" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /tags (+861) "braindump a few reasons why you should and why people do tag" (view diff)
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@dckc Enabling Webmentions in Jekyll http:///notebook/2014/enabling-webmentions-in-jekyll/ (twitter.com/_/status/536154109800218624)
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tantek.com edited /tags (+486) "improve dfn, note relation to HTML tags, move free=form definition to its own Web 2 history section" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek another reason (use-case) why you should use indie /comms (people-centric comms) and not comms apps directly (app-centric comms) ...
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tantek my ipod touch has crashed (is crashing) badly! like so badly that holding down the power button does not give you the usual "swipe to power off" screen/option.
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tantek so I can no longer get txts or facetime on it, or skype calls for that matter
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tantek thus I've updated my /contact page to remove those options!
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tantek now anyone going to my /contact page will see *current* options for what works and hopefully use one of those
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reedstrm dynamic rerouting. Excellent
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tantek like FB message, AIM, Skype Chat, Twitter DM - all of which work on my laptop
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tantek that's my "emergency" fix for this situation
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tantek what would be even better would be:
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tantek showing *disabled* options below, with a *reason* for why they're disabled
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tantek so people don't just try to go back to a comms-app because they *think* they want to use a specific app to communicate with me
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tantek but that would take more design work than I have this orning
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tantek s/orning/morning
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Loqi tantek meant to say: but that would take more design work than I have this morning
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reedstrm I've recently rediscovered strikethru as a useful style to communicate negation of information.
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reedstrm We're trying it out in a collaboration environment to indicate rejection of an invitation.
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tantek of course after waiting a while (15 min?) and letting the iPod play alarms automatically, then get interrupted into "show notifications from FB chat on lock screen" (thanks to a friend), I was able to get it to fully power down, and restart
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tantek so first thing I do? tried to reproduce the nasty crash (like a good programmer), rather than not risk it and have a comms device
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tantek but no dice, no repro
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reedstrm ywah, but a proven unreliable comms device
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tantek indeed!
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tantek thus I need a second one I can activate and use
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tantek how I crashed it: I out-typed the touch-keyboard while typing in the name of a city, state into Dark Sky. The system UI process (handles keyboard, showing clock, battery state, assistive touch etc.) all died, then auto-restarted, then died, etc. stuck in an auto-restart loop.
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tantek which also meant the system-power-off UI couldn't be activated.
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reedstrm buffer overflow on the stack, you think? Race condition with the exact behavior depending on stack allocation and exactly what characters overflow.
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@5sypcs @adriannerussell Glad to hear that the #indieweb made it into the #NMCHorizon trends. This could be a big deal for museums. #MCN2014 (twitter.com/_/status/536194688420544513)
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jonnybarnes anyone here have an iphone?
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bret i do
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bret jonnybarnes: ^
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jonnybarnes so I can't figure out why my new notes page isn't displaying properly, something is making it too thin: https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/new
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jonnybarnes any ideas?
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@LoriLeeByrd @5sypcs @adriannerussell I enjoyed catching up on this via the Horizon Report wiki. You convinced me - got my vote! #nmchorizon #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536209525875806210)
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@sil @voxpelli hey, https://webmention.herokuapp.com is very cool and I have signed up. :) (twitter.com/_/status/536224139737309184)
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snarfed so, on the topic of homepage webmentions
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snarfed bridgy currently has a feature where it accepts incoming webmentions for blogs on blog providers (blogger, tumblr, wordpress.com)
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snarfed …and posts them as comments via the APIs
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snarfed i've started seeing webmentions to the homepages (on those blog providers) of people using that feature, and i'm not sure what to do
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snarfed 1) return a 400 and say it's not supported
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snarfed 2) accept it, store it, do nothing beyond that
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snarfed 3) forward it to something like webmention.io or webmention.herokuapp.com and tell users to show those wms on their home page by adding an iframe, JS injection, etc.
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snarfed (er, sorry, hoping not to fall into a JS debate rathole :P)
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snarfed feedback is welcome!
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snarfed here or on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/312
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GWG Anyone using php-mf2?
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snarfed GWG: i think the majority of the php people here do
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GWG snarfed: I was trying to see if anyone had written a function using it to find the representative h-card of a URL. I hate to reinvent the wheel, and that was the first thing I wanted to do with it.
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KevinMarks Check out @MarkGoodge's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MarkGoodge/status/536206472573878272?s=09
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@MarkGoodge One of the really bizarre side-effects of Twitter's 140 character limit... https://twitter.com/MarkGoodge/status/536206472573878272/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/536206472573878272)
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@sil @voxpelli I'd like to be able to fetch all webmentions for my site from your app's API, but that requires in-browser auth. Can you say why? (twitter.com/_/status/536256732440571905)
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aaronpk GWG: barnaby has some mf2-related repos https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner
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aaronpk i can't remember if there's one that finds the h-card
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@voxpelli @sil There's a kind of hard to see docs-page for that and some other query parameters: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/documentation.html :) (twitter.com/_/status/536259779338182656)
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GWG aaronpk, I found it a few minutes ago in the indiewebify.me code.
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk is it its own separate library?
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GWG No. But I can write one based on it.
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aaronpk cool. that'd be helpful!
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GWG aaronpk, as usual, I'm writing to support in Wordpress, but it should be usable anywhere.
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GWG At least anywhere that can import the php mf2 library.
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@sil @voxpelli https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/12 filed :) (twitter.com/_/status/536261370149625856)
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kylewm GWG: php-mf-cleaner is the way to go https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L115
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kylewm (as opposed to trying to extract it from indiewebify.me)
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GWG Okay, saves me on wheel reinventing
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GWG Thanks, kylewm.
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GWG Is there a wiki page on this, because the little Tantek in my shoulder is telling me that if I was looking, someone else will.
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snarfed GWG: http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing
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thedod hi
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thedod aaronpk, any chance of incorporating WebmentionDressing into the wiki?
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GWG snarfed, I meant links to the already built libraries and functions
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GWG thedod, you could always add a page.
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snarfed GWG: there's a section on that page. http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing#open_source_implementations
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aaronpk it needs to go into the wiki theme and stuff
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aaronpk I don't think I can do that right now, got a bunch of other things that need to happen today
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aaronpk but if you make an issue on github here with a README of what I need to do, I will get to it! https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues
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GWG snarfed, I've never edited the mf wiki. May have to do that.
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GWG It doesn't reference php mf2
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thedod cool. thanks
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GWG Also not on the php page on the IWC wiki
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GWG I think I shall have to document.
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thedod aaronpk, https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/15 links to a gist (with README) and a demo
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aaronpk nice! thanks!!
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@benwerd @marshallk Just wait until you start getting webmentions. If trackbacks were built in 2014. (twitter.com/_/status/536293566335569921)
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