#indiewebcamp 2014-12-22

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@AmazingFr Voilá un beau cadeau de Noël : #IndieHosters a réussi sa campagne ! Maintenant aidons la Quadrature du Net #IndieWeb ! (twitter.com/_/status/546821613275316225)
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@laviecheap Voilá un beau cadeau de Noël : #IndieHosters a réussi sa campagne ! Maintenant aidons la Quadrature du Net #IndieWeb ! (twitter.com/_/status/546821613233405952)
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aaronpk tantek: https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/indiewebcamp-indieweb-sf
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aaronpk tantek: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/05/06/3/iiw-indieweb
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GWG I need help again
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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GWG I showed this example to random people
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@ticbeat Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ vía @TICbeat (twitter.com/_/status/546832637294575616)
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GWG A few thought Jeremy was doing the favoriting, not the author of the site...me
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GWG I need to rethink this
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tantek good visual design is both hard and important - that's why it's important to get that right *first* before you bother with any plumbing.
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kylewm GWG: that was what I thought too
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kylewm I mean I knew that that's not what it is, but it reads that way, left-to-right
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tantek exactly. what kylewm said.
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tantek GWG - perhaps take a look at the /repost presentation brainstorming
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kylewm I'm very interested to see how aaronpk and tantek style their likes for the 2015-01-01 challenge!
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tantek you can likely re-use a bunch of that, substituting "reposted" with "favorited"
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tantek kylewm: likely what I just said
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kylewm GWG: took me a little while to re-find these https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/reposts#Repost_presentation
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aaronpk It's a particular challenge for me because I'm trying to avoid third person text on my site
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aaronpk So I don't want to say "favorited" or "retweeted" if it's a thing I did
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GWG tantek: That's why I'm testing it elsewhere before putting it up live.
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GWG So, I need to look at this a bit longer.
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GWG I made the verbs an array. Easy to change.
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GWG So, kylewm, is that diagram suggesting that a picture of me is missing?
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tantek GWG adding a photo of you wouldn't help as long as Jeremy's photo is right next to "favorited"
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tantek which if you replace Jeremy's photo by his alt text, it reads like "Jeremy favorited"
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GWG Shame, it looked so nice before I realized how I confused people
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GWG Am I obsessing too much about this?
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tantek GWG - it's a big difference between pleasing appearance and meaningful appearance.
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GWG tantek: I wanted both
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tantek GWG - it is difficult to obsess too much about visual design.
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tantek best thing to do is to start *very* simple, e.g. how would you present it as *plain text* before you start making any kind of mixed media, mixed font size, or especially mixed layout presentation
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GWG tantek: I did, in the old version. But the picture...I think changed the meaning
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GWG Some people use "on a post by"
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GWG But then I have to determine content type
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tantek perhaps take a smaller step between the plain text version and when you start adding things like images, font size changes, layout changes
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tantek all of those should be progress enhancement
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tantek the picture changed the meaning because you added it somwhere that didn't previously have Jeremy's name
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GWG tantek: I decided to start from scratch
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GWG This was the old design
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/kind/bookmark/
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GWG I found it too overwhelming
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GWG When I decided to add in author data, I wanted to make it more subtle
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GWG I think I made it 'too' subtle
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GWG Shame though
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GWG Without the author, it works quite well
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/25/video-embed-test/
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tantek GWG, when you add in any data, it helps to do so to the plain text version first, and the redesign upward from there.
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tantek !tell snarfed odd URL link text vs URL difference in the "Originally published" text created by Bridgy: https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10101419881198493?pnref=story note the /.../.../ in the visible link text (whereas the href is fine)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@estirpemx RT @ticbeat: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ vía @TICbeat (twitter.com/_/status/546863799375249408)
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tantek !tell snarfed nevermind, that appears to be FB auto-ellipsing those URL path segments when it autolinks the URL in the text of the post!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@mshook @benwerd @withknown @erinjo Thanks for your explanation re: #indieweb vs federated wiki at 40:16 in https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/546883742015299584)
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tantek I'd be interested in seeing a blog post / transcript of that explanation
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KartikPrabhu tantek: does federated wiki count as a indieweb project?
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tantek !tell benwerd would be great to see a brief blog post / transcript of your explanation of indieweb vs federated wiki as tweeted in https://twitter.com/mshook/status/546883742015299584
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it is - it was built / launched at the first IndieWebCamp in 2011
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tantek what is federated wiki?
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Loqi The Smallest Federated Wiki is an open source project led by Ward Cunningham to produce a wiki that federates using fork history, and was created & launched at the first IndieWebCamp in 2011 in Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/Federated_wiki
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KartikPrabhu what is project?
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Loqi These are projects you can use to get your site on the IndieWeb and improve your IndieWeb support https://indiewebcamp.com/project
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KartikPrabhu aah yes it is listed under hacks. cool
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KartikPrabhu man the projects page needs major cleanup. 4 subsections is 3 too many
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I know - it has cleanup in progress - do you have time to help?
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KartikPrabhu you getting on it now? i can help for a bit.
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KartikPrabhu then must get back to 2015-01-01 commitment :P
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tantek I've been working on the cleaning up with bret. Because it is so challenging we are documenting the cleanup incrementally and explicitly so that we don't have to keep that state of the cleanup in our heads. See https://indiewebcamp.com/project#About_This_Page
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KartikPrabhu yes. did see that. ordering/categorising the projects would be priority and quite some work
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KartikPrabhu right now Bundle tops the list but really it shouldn't
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KartikPrabhu it isn't even open source
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tantek what is Bundle?
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Loqi Bundle is a set publishing tools for the Indieweb built using Python and Django https://indiewebcamp.com/Bundle
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tantek what list is the top of?
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tantek is *it* the top of
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KartikPrabhu this one: https://indiewebcamp.com/project#Experimental
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tantek you've shared parts of it - like some of the JS script for marginalia etc.
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KartikPrabhu yes. though in fairness RedWind and Homesteading are in much better shape. In any case alphabetical-ordering is not useful there IMO
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tantek also note the explicit ordering: "Experimental blogging / content hosting projects sorted by number of IndieWeb community members actively using them on their own primary personal site (and then alphabetically). "
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KartikPrabhu aah it largely seems alphabetical though :P
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tantek RedWind - yes, since thedod is now using it too
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that's because it is largely one user per project
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tantek why do you say "Homesteading" is in much better shape? what evidence do you have for that claim?
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KartikPrabhu the state of this: https://github.com/homesteading vs my non-existent open source code :)
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KartikPrabhu same with Red Wind which now has 2 users if I am not mistaken
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tantek that's a github link - which is irrelevant compared to actual in use on a personal site
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tantek open source not in daily use is less relevant than closed source in daily use
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KartikPrabhu oh then this: http://iamshane.com/
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KartikPrabhu veganstraightedge is Shane Becker and I feel Homesteading gets quite some use on his site.
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tantek shane's got a lot working yes - but he's still using it only some of the time
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tantek vs. say, Tweeting directly
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tantek this is why we use selfdogfooding and the daily use thereof as a metric
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KartikPrabhu hmmm.... I feel /project should answer the question "what can I use to get on the indieweb" for newer people. In that context an often used open source project seems like a good criteria
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tantek it doesn't matter how impressive an open source project looks if you're not using it daily
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tantek I would never tell someone to use something to get on the indieweb that the creators themselves are not using daily on their own sites
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tantek or rather, the creators are using secondary to their silo accounts
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KartikPrabhu hmm possibly. that is why ordering the projects is hard
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tantek no
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tantek "what can I use to get on the indieweb" is a practical question
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tantek how easily, how often
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tantek and how committed
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KartikPrabhu hmm yes. But in any case should experimental projects be listed above Wordpress and tools like Jekyll and so on?
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tantek e.g. how well does a project help you actually ownyourdata ?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#Kartik
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KartikPrabhu true
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tantek that is the evidence to point to
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tantek that is what counts
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tantek not any number of repos, files, etc.
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KartikPrabhu fair enough
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tantek actually *living* the indieweb
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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GWG Better or worse?
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tantek better - perhaps nowrap the photo+name
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KartikPrabhu tantek: maybe then the projects can be re-listed as most-indieweb-useful/easy to get running to the rest
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tantek yes I believe that's noted explicitly https://indiewebcamp.com/project#About_This_Page
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KartikPrabhu then maybe how to use existing software and modify them for indieweb like Wordpress, Blogger and so on
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tantek WordPress and Blogger are very different unless you mean WordPress.com
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KartikPrabhu yes i mean wordpress.com
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tantek those are not projects, they are silos at worst, content hosts at best
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KartikPrabhu yes which is why their presence there is strange. also Jekyll is a static-site generator not a project... ?
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tantek Jekyll is an open source project is it not? And it helps you manage the content on your site does it not?
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KartikPrabhu yes. but then so is Django, and Python
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tantek no those are framework and a programming language
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tantek they don't do anything with content
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KartikPrabhu the point is for it to be indieweb people will have to modify the code or add code effectively building a project
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tantek absolutist reasoning and also false
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tantek counterexample: known
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tantek methodological flaw: it matters *how much* code you have to modify or add
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek this reasoning is not helpful: "have to modify the code or add code effectively building"
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KartikPrabhu it would be if the first project new people see requires them to do a bunch of coding
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tantek I don't understand your point
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tantek all the experimental projects are actually *deployed* in some form
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KartikPrabhu i mean where is the boundary between project and a framework. We could just add "upload HTML files to a server" as a project. It is valid and usable but not useful for someone new looking to try out a project
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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GWG Maybe I should just give up on pictures
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GWG And go text for now
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tantek KartikPrabhu: not true - "upload HTML files to a server *IS* useful - and we've documented it as such
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started#Set_up_your_home_page_and_web_sign-in
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KartikPrabhu it is useful for someone who knows how to do it. I don't think that page is for people who already know how to setup indieweb stuff
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tantek that sounds like a tautology
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KartikPrabhu i mean, is the /project meant to be read by people just starting out?
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tantek by all levels
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KartikPrabhu inclusding beginners?
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tantek GWG - can you make your images more like sparklines? E.g. as we do for our {{person}} templates on the wiki?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: we are all beginners in some respect at this
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GWG What is a sparklines?
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indiewebcamp.com/sparklines
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tantek so yes - we should absolutely consider projects to be accessible to a broad spectrum of users
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KartikPrabhu tantek: well I don't know what to respond to that
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KartikPrabhu right. so to a broad spectrum "use Jekyll" does not mean anything
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tantek different projects have different setup requirements
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KartikPrabhu actually even I don't know what that means in terms of actual work till my site is up
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tantek and that's ok. we should transparently document those variances.
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tantek GWG - do you have instances of https://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#How you could document as an indieweb example for yourself?
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GWG I'll have to think
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tantek GWG - have you freed yourself of any silo usage patterns?
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GWG I closed my livejournal account. But it was deprecated.
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@t So many #indieweb things to write: 1. Things to wiki 2. … to blog 3. … to design 4. … to code to enable others, myself (ttk.me t4Zk1) (twitter.com/_/status/546898576287494144)
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@njudah RT @t: So many #indieweb things to write: 1. Things to wiki 2. … to blog 3. … to design 4. … to code to enable others, myself (ttk.me t4Zk1) (twitter.com/_/status/546898614664962048)
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tantek GWG - did you post about closing your livejournal account?
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tantek do you remember what date you did?
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GWG I don't believe so. I was too embarrassed when I accidentally autoposted 2004 a decade later
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tantek was that when importing old posts?
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tantek even that experience can be useful if you can document how it happened and how others could avoid it
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tantek GWG, consider adding yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/silo-quits
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GWG I was taking your suggestion which may work, about using the style of the wiki to solve my image problem
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+164) "working on, rough order" (view diff)
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tantek GWG - your iterations continue to improve
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tantek consider putting the domain parenthetically next to the person name, since they all represent the same "thing"
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tantek e.g. by [img] Jeremy Zilar (silencematters.com)
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tantek and then hyperlink the name of the thing you're favoriting
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tantek e.g. <a href="http://silencematters.com/2014/04/26/indiewebcamp-nyc-setting-up-webmentions-on-wordpress/">Setting Up Webmentions on Wordpress</a>
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GWG I've been staring too much at this.
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tantek.com edited /projects (+19) "/* Experimental */ move Red Wind to top of experimental list since 2 are using it daily" (view diff)
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GWG Does that work?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: well there's an incremental local improvement at least - moving Red Win to the top of that experimental list
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KartikPrabhu yes of course! :)
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KartikPrabhu is Falcon not open source/installable by others?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: again with the absolutist reasoning
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tantek like many other projects, Falcon is a mix of some open source and some closed
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tantek currently no it is not installable by others, however the open source functions from it are potentially useful for someone else building their own project
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KartikPrabhu lol! I was just hoping that Falcon could be moved up the hierarchy for beginners to install easily :)
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KartikPrabhu in that Falcon is similar in status to Bundle probably
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes that is likely
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@itineranciaMty "Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet" good read http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546906773626421248)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: neat
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KartikPrabhu I am hoping for such clarifications also on the /project page for all projects listed there. Like each project could have a Open, Closed or mixed listed so that it is immediately parseable by readers
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KartikPrabhu same with programming language
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KartikPrabhu let me update the Bundle entry to illustrate what I mean
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KartikPrabhu tantek: ^ thoughts ?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that's great
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KartikPrabhu tantek: that is what I was hoping for each project. That way everyone gets a summary of what is needed for a particular project and can decide accordingly
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tantek I think we can use that to more transparently put some projects above others
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KartikPrabhu yup exactly!
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tantek GWG what was your 2015-01-01 commitment again? Did you blog it? Or was it just in IRC?
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aaronpk So I think I'm ready to launch my 2015-01-01 commitment. Should I wait until 2015-01-01?
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@antonimanchado Movimiento IndieWeb: re-descentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/?utm_content=bufferfbd29&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/546929379549650944)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: you can launch it if you recommit to something else!? ;)
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aaronpk haha
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KartikPrabhu the reward for good work is more work
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@gustavocpimenta RT @IndieHosters: 8 hours left to get your IndieWeb :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters (twitter.com/_/status/546936962998083585)
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@esmacis RT @ticbeat: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ vía @TICbeat (twitter.com/_/status/546938524835254272)
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@ensicanetworks "Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet" http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546945917006655488)
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@kaputse Thinking about moving my abandoned personal blog from #s9y to #known https://withknown.com/ Looks very promising! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/546966999213948928)
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@CreatoriumTv #emprendedores: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546983574864670720)
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@kaputse @wollepb Maybe not, but it nicely supports (mobile) microblogging on my own site (+ POSSE, https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE) (twitter.com/_/status/546996299942621185)
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@lernys Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547003183730814976)
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@ccontinuum_ele RT @lernys: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547004223393906688)
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@VRuizT RT @lernys: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547004418953314304)
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@AndaluciaDig Movimiento IndieWeb: re-descentralizando #Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547006194574196736)
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@Pinedux RT @AndaluciaDig: Movimiento IndieWeb: re-descentralizando #Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547012458834317312)
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@dissolve333 Checkins are displaying. They just aren't pretty yet. #indieweb #janonegoal(btmb.me s/5u) (twitter.com/_/status/547016221556609024)
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@rcerrada Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ https://twitter.com/rcerrada/status/547016729499803649/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/547016729499803649)
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@xtof_fr Présentation #indieweb en français http://loic.mathaud.fr/presentations/2014/presentation-indieweb/ Coup de chapeau @loicmathaud @WebEnVert #42 (twitter.com/_/status/547021640123432961)
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@pierreozoux RT @xtof_fr: Présentation #indieweb en français http://loic.mathaud.fr/presentations/2014/presentation-indieweb/ Coup de chapeau @loicmathaud @WebEnVert #42 (twitter.com/_/status/547032715217104896)
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@IndieHosters RT @xtof_fr: Présentation #indieweb en français http://loic.mathaud.fr/presentations/2014/presentation-indieweb/ Coup de chapeau @loicmathaud @WebEnVert #42 (twitter.com/_/status/547032715313549312)
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tantek snarfed++ wow ^^^
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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neuro` Good morning ben_notsureitsreallyyou
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ben_thatmustbeme neuro` have you set a 2015-01-01 goal?
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neuro` ben_thatmustbeme: not in the wiki yet, haven't decided what I could setup before that.
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ben_thatmustbeme there is a wiki page for it?
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ben_thatmustbeme it can be something small
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neuro` The various things I plan to do need some code first, and I just joined a new company so I'm working a lot
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i know how that can be
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ben_thatmustbeme work should take first priority i suppose
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neuro` ben_thatmustbeme: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments here it is
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loic_m oh 1st time I realize neuro` is there too ^^
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, someone already linked me on there
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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@technologyfiles http://t.co/U55ok0YfK9: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://www.technology-files.com/ticbeat-com-movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547053449293352960)
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@GuillermoGuzman RT @ticbeat: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ vía @TICbeat (twitter.com/_/status/547055588392570880)
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neuro` loic_m: I am
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@PorElMundo_ RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547077625504477184)
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@HoraDeEjercicio RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547081899768700930)
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tantek neuro`, loic_m do you have things you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01?
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tantek !tell danlyke how about you? anything you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01? See https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments for what others have committed to.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell KevinMarks how about you? anything you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01? See https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments for what others have committed to.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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danlyke tantek, alas, I've got no time to launch anything in the next week. Still swamped by the non-virtual bits of my life...
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Loqi danlyke: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: how about you? anything you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01? See https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments for what others have committed to.
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@rasheed_35359 "@t: So many #indieweb things to write: 1. Things to wiki 2. … to blog 3. … to design 4. … to code to enable others, myself (ttk.me t4Zk1)" (twitter.com/_/status/547087699493277697)
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tantek danlyke - gotcha - good luck with making progress on getting through all the non-virtual bits!
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@LZAntal @indiewebcamp just found you guys. Interesting initiative, I really like it. (twitter.com/_/status/547089296843214848)
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@protoauto RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547098501402726400)
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@Dra_Perversa RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547098507400577024)
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loic_m tantek> by the end of the year I won't launch anything (no time available). I'll give myself some homeworks for the full year 2015 instead :)
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tantek loic_m, here's an easy one for you for 2015-01-01 - add yourself and your image to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people so you show up nicely in the logs :) https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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@dijistesmal RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547107319016730624)
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KevinMarks_ I think Paul is trolling, but POSSE to twitter as screenshort is an interesting idea: https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/547107824300744704?s=09
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Loqi KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 45 minutes ago: how about you? anything you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01? See https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments for what others have committed to.
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@ftrain https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/547107824300744704/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/547107824300744704)
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@Mr_iEinstein RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547114105669033984)
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@SportFans_ RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547118130669953024)
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ben_thatmustbeme got my 2015 goal partially complete this morning
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@kaputse Testing Twitter POSSE integration to #known #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/547118438494527489)
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ben_thatmustbeme just need to actually make them all pretty now
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ben_thatmustbeme and hopefully posse them
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell kylewm I may have to steal your /imageproxy bit with a checksum scheme to include external images
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@PlaceresDLvida RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547128203924369408)
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KevinMarks_ The problem with committing to indieweb stuff by Jan 1st is that my sons are here until then, then they go back to England until June, so I want to maximise time with them
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@joanbarm "Bajo toda arquitectura informacional se oculta una estructura de poder" Breve noticia sobre IndieWeb http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ via @ticbeat (twitter.com/_/status/547130733106831361)
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@carlostrapero Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet. http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547130871028137984)
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@Sigueme_te_sig0 RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547135752065146880)
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@miroxavi RT @joanbarm: "Bajo toda arquitectura informacional se oculta una estructura de poder" Breve noticia sobre IndieWeb http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ … (twitter.com/_/status/547136833025769472)
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davidpeach hi guys
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bret hey
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@lorenagcarbajal #LecturaRecomendada RT @ticbeat: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet. http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547143323639902209)
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ben_thatmustbeme hi there davidpeach, welcom to #indiewebcamp
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davidpeach thanks
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GWG Evening.
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tantek welcome back davidpeach!
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tantek davidpeach, anything you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01? See https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments for what others have committed to.
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tantek KevinMarks: help your sons improve their indieweb setup while you have the chance to do so in person.
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@Glocalmx Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ vía @TICbeat (twitter.com/_/status/547161605838872576)
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@ViveLeGlam RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547162426114719744)
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tantek Anyone want to post a follow-up comment on the article with updates/clarifications in Spanish?
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tantek hello j12t
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GWG Oh...that's what I committed to.
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GWG I'll see about deploying that tonight.
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tantek GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 40 karma
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GWG Well, step 1 at least
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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GWG This design seems to work for now
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j12t hi
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GWG Hi, j12t
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j12t Salvete!
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j12t At least if memory of my long-ago Latin serves.
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tantek j12t - do you have anything you want to launch for your site on or by 2015-01-01? See https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments for what others have committed to.
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davidpeach tantek there's a couple of things I could commit to. I'll have a think for some realistic goals. cheers!
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j12t I don't have time I'm afraid.
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tantek davidpeach: awesome. realistic goals are exactly the point.
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davidpeach tantek: Ive just spend 2 hours trying to get twitter faves and retweet working with SNAP plugin. to no avail
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tantek what is the SNAP plugin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SNAP plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SNAP+plugin
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davidpeach https://wordpress.org/plugins/social-networks-auto-poster-facebook-twitter-g/
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tantek GWG - ^^^ - may need some WP help
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tantek j12t understood. here's an easy one for you for 2015-01-01 if you have a few minutes between things and are inspired to put something down: add an "Itches" section/list to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Upon2020.com per https://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying#Wikify_yourself
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davidpeach I'll make a start on the SNAP page tomorrow after work. I've been using it for a little while now.
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j12t My itches list is certainly longer than I'd get around to doing in a lifetime
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davidpeach tanktek: if favouriting a tweet from site, would it just be a case of saving that URL to the favourited tweet, or should I really take a copy of the tweet also?
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tantek j12t - hence a good reason to put it on a public wiki page, perhaps others can help with some of those itches
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tantek davidpeach: you could do either
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tantek makes sense to save/cache a copy of the tweet in case it gets deleted for example, but it's not essential.
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tantek you can always add that later as an enhancement
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tantek GWG it sounds like your 2015-01-01 commitment to improve "Kinds" will help with code cleanup, not a new feature, but helping make future new features easier. Is that an accurate description?
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davidpeach tantek: just trying to get the simplest working example up and running. Gonna use the twitter intent links to favourite from admin.
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tantek as a way of doing manual POSSE of favorites?
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GWG tantek: I also redesigned the reply-context and added author fields to it. I didn't have those before. So, it is progressive enhancement.
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tantek I think you can also use Bridgy Publish to do that
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tantek davidpeach: ^^^
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GWG So I'm doing both new features and code cleanup at the same time. I did take the code in a new direction.
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tantek GWG - is the new feature an improved reply-context?
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KevinMarks_ Currently silo wrestling to try to make iTunes playlists move between macs. File oriented links and xml and binary proprietary data structures implicated
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tantek have you figured out a way to blog a play list in a way that some one else can make use of it?
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tantek s/some one/someone/
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Loqi tantek meant to say: have you figured out a way to blog a play list in a way that someone else can make use of it?
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tantek without being silo-specific (e.g. without a "Spotify playlist")
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks_ A long time ago in blog far far away http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003/12/new-model-for-music-playlists.html
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KevinMarks_ We did end up with xspf, which got some traction but wasn't webby enough
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KevinMarks_ http://www.xspf.org/applications/
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KevinMarks_ So we u
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KevinMarks_ End up with Spotify, and YouTube urls