#indiewebcamp 2014-12-23

2014-12-23 UTC
#
KevinMarks_ Wow, the numbered indents in this spec look like a parody http://www.xspf.org/orig-xspf-v1.html
#
XgF KevinMarks_: Are you sure those aren't OIDs? :-)
#
KevinMarks_ http://www.xspf.org/xspf-v1.html is a bit better written, but it is clearly an artefact of its time, joyfully embracing the xml zeitgeist
#
bret 4.1.1.2.14.1.1.1.11.1.1 rel
pauloppenheim joined the channel
#
@schnarfed @davidpeach1 yup! i do them every day. https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress and https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android . Iā€™m using them to post this right now. (twitter.com/_/status/547183375803351041)
#
GWG tantek: Yes
emerson, sysfu and snarfed joined the channel
#
@LaAbuelaDecia RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547193378274693120)
Erkan_Yilmaz, sysfu and nloadholtes joined the channel
#
@Puppie_pets RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547212003010293760)
KartikPrabhu, mdik_, amblin, shiflett and snarfed joined the channel
#
KartikPrabhu Loqi playback
#
KartikPrabhu what is trackback?
#
Loqi TrackBack was a protocol for web sites to notify other web sites when they've posted a link to them (respectively) https://indiewebcamp.com/Trackback
#
@efemerideando RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547224842630475776)
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
@Amame_Odiame RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547226850162786305)
#
Loqi [mention] Kartik Prabhu commented 'I realise I am 6 years too late to this, and hopefully you still read the comments: The trouble I have with this proposal is that I can not...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (/notes/href-everything-ericmeyer)
#
KartikPrabhu aaronpk: looks like your mf2 parser does not absolutise relative URLs ^
#
snarfed KartikPrabhu: that's actually the ruby parser, not php-mf2, but yes
#
Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 1 day ago: odd URL link text vs URL difference in the "Originally published" text created by Bridgy: https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10101419881198493?pnref=story note the /.../.../ in the visible link text (whereas the href is fine)
#
Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 1 day ago: nevermind, that appears to be FB auto-ellipsing those URL path segments when it autolinks the URL in the text of the post!
#
KartikPrabhu snarfed: hmm someone needs to get on the ruby parser dev train then :)
KartikPrabhu and snarfed joined the channel
#
@brennannovak Great ideas about future of podcasting by @mathowie https://medium.com/technology-musings/ten-years-of-podcasting-fighting-human-nature-1bf2de96d6e4 seems like there's much potential for #IndieWeb cc: @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/547235072215379968)
amblin, snarfed and Erkan_Yilmaz joined the channel
#
@GEeK_PLAN3T RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547251512787755008)
Erkan_Yilmaz joined the channel
#
@sdh100Shaun Gonna make much more of an effort to fully enable #indieweb features and relaunch site next year (twitter.com/_/status/547254937340891136)
snarfed and snarfed1 joined the channel
#
@PacoHertz_ RT @iT3cnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547264595161657344)
tantek joined the channel
#
GWG Okay, new plugin deployed. However, some issues with the theme. Need to revisit that.
#
tantek GWG - congrats on deployment
#
GWG tantek: I think there are still some design issues.
#
tantek it's important to go with "good enough" and then iterate
#
tantek KartikPrabhu: do you support the Pilgrim Protocol?
#
GWG I may end up on the theme development side again.
#
tantek is going to try to delete a comment on one of KartikPrabhu's posts. >:)
#
tantek first before I delete it - everyone see the spam comment here? https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/2015-indieweb-commitment (via Bridgy from Twitter of course)
#
GWG Yes
#
tantek great blog post GWG https://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/12/21/problem-future-mentions/
#
tantek GWG++
#
Loqi GWG has 41 karma
#
GWG Thank you. Was thinking about the WordPress adding mf2 question of the other day
#
GWG Pingbacks are a cesspool because no one cares enough to try and fix them.
#
tantek right
#
KartikPrabhu tantek: what is that?
#
Loqi That! (or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply emphasizing agreement with a This post https://indiewebcamp.com/that
#
tantek lol :D
#
KartikPrabhu also weird! since I blocked that person from Twitter
nloadholtes joined the channel
#
tantek.com edited /Webmention (+233) "iterate problems re: LINK verb, and add Articles section with GWG post" (view diff)
#
tantek KartikPrabhu: right
#
tantek ah - I see you already deleted the comment
#
KartikPrabhu tantek: I did
#
KartikPrabhu just now.
#
tantek I didn't get a chance to see if your system would follow the Pilgrim Protocol
#
KartikPrabhu tantek: there. restored!
#
tantek that is, attempt to webmention your post from that tweet, have your system attempt to retrieve the tweet, see that it 404s, and then remove the comment
#
GWG I wonder if it is time to abandon bootstrap
#
tantek KartikPrabhu: about to attempt a webmention from a 404
prtksxna joined the channel
#
tantek KartikPrabhu: odd - your server returned HTTP/1.1 400 BAD REQUEST
#
KartikPrabhu hmmm!
#
KartikPrabhu URL?
#
tantek https://kartikprabhu.com/webmention
#
tantek here's the curl URL
#
tantek I mean command line
#
tantek curl -i -d "source=https://twitter.com/6c05f771j47np/status/546240440471928833&target=https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/2015-indieweb-commitment" https://kartikprabhu.com/webmention
#
KartikPrabhu there is no target is there...
#
tantek yes there is
#
KartikPrabhu oh hmmm
#
KartikPrabhu yeah then it is doing something weird
#
tantek interesting - let's debug it
#
KartikPrabhu pullig up webmention code
nloadholtes joined the channel
#
KartikPrabhu did the server return any text in content? that would be helpful
#
tantek checking
#
tantek "Source URL could not be fetched."
#
KartikPrabhu hmmm
#
tantek that's not a bug - if the source URL returns a 404, then you're supposed to follow the Pilgrim Protocol
#
tantek.com edited /deleted (+22) "id Pilgrim_Protocol" (view diff)
#
tantek.com created /Pilgrim_Protocol (+38) "r" (view diff)
#
KartikPrabhu tantek: interesting I don't send that error msg at all!
#
tantek you can try that curl command line for yourself
#
tantek your handler "https://kartikprabhu.com/webmention" is definitely returning that error message
#
KartikPrabhu yes. agreed. but it isn't in my code maybe the requests lib is doing that. will have to look into this and the Pilgrim protocol too
#
tantek is something throwing an exception and you're not catching it?
#
tantek if you're calling a library to fetch a URL, you need to explicitly handle the URL being a 404
#
KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. checking through code
#
KartikPrabhu and sending that request myself
#
KartikPrabhu aah tantek: it is is my Connection library. It does return that error when the souce could not be retrieved. I should add the 410 and 404 tests...
#
KartikPrabhu I think I did not do that since I did not want to delete a comment when a URL disappears
#
tantek what did you want to do?
#
KartikPrabhu not sure.
#
KartikPrabhu maybe as a good policy I should do that as courtesy to the commenter
loic_m joined the channel
#
tantek yeah
#
@t #IndieWeb 2015-01-01 personal site commitments so far summarized https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments Add yours. Blog post tomorrow. (ttk.me t4Zm1) (twitter.com/_/status/547298028454158337)
#
neuro` Morning
j12t joined the channel
#
tantek neuro`: evening. I added you to 2015-01-01 commitments per your statement about adding favs to Publify: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments##neuro
#
tantek just want to confirm with you that you're ok with that as your 2015-01-01 ship goal :) (since weren't both on IRC earlier)
#
neuro` tantek: yes, I just saw that
j12t joined the channel
#
tantek great. off to bed now. feel free to completely edit your commitment there on that page. thanks!
#
neuro` Have a good night
#
Loqi laila tov!
#
tantek will be blogging them all tomorrow :)
#
@notabene RT @t: #IndieWeb 2015-01-01 personal site commitments so far summarized https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments Add yours. Blog post tomorrow. (ttk.me t4Zm1) (twitter.com/_/status/547301212039946240)
#
@OFNblog Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ vƃĀ­a @TICbeat (twitter.com/_/status/547302097012531202)
#
Loqi [bridgy] Robin Taylor favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments (https://twitter.com/t/status/547298028454158337)
#
Loqi [bridgy] StƩphane Deschamps retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments (https://twitter.com/notabene/status/547301212039946240)
friedcell, behind_you and Sebastien-L joined the channel
#
Loqi [bridgy] Pelle Wessman favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments (https://twitter.com/t/status/547298028454158337)
michielbdejong, friedcell, stream7, Erkan_Yilmaz, Sebastien-L and nloadholtes joined the channel
#
loic.mathaud.fr edited /IRC_People (+51) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
danfowle1 and davidpeach joined the channel
#
davidpeach good day all
davidpeach and dns53 joined the channel
#
@cualeslarealid Hay que volver a lo que Internet supuso en su dƃĀ­a: la descentralizaciĆ³n http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547352250658865152)
Garbee and j12t joined the channel
#
davidpeach ello
#
@moinelo Hay que volver a lo que Internet supuso en su dƃĀ­a: la descentralizaciĆ³n http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547356028917264384)
frzn, saurik, martinBrown, hidgw, dietrich, hober2, michielbdejong, Leeky, hadleybeeman, iboxifoo, GWG, minsky, lmorchard, arlen, jacus, voxpelli, rschulman_, benward_____, Aeyoun, renoirb, dch, Phae, Deledrius, amblin, trodrigues, adonaldson, raucao, kylewm, teknotus, protman, Nowaker, sparverius, joskar, sh4l, irdan, finchd, smcgregor, jancborchardt, brianloveswords, swartwulf, halorgium, romangeeko, ShaneHudson, tommorris, bigbluehat, mattl, rknLA, edrex, danfowler, tallpaul, ben_thatmust, benatkin, sivoais, rascul, bear, emmak_, bret, jden, eliemichel, Phyks, Guerillero, sdboyer, bitraten, jonnybarnes, danlyke, sammachin, owen1, PMurphs, obra_, KevinMarks, JonathanNeal, reidab, fahrstuhl, edsu, hmans, JasonO, daf, hugoroyd, CaptainCalliope, terminalpixel, neuro`, ben_thatmustbeme, catsup, jjuran, fiatjaf, yakker, jlsuttles, markmhendrickson, aranasaurus, mlncn, julian``, emerson, sysfu, loic_m, stream7, Sebastien-L, nloadholtes, danfowle1, dns53, Garbee, j12t, icco, prtksxna, SRCR_, dorian, andrunix and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
@iJesus89 Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547376649055244288)
friedcell and Sebastien-L joined the channel
#
@jgmac1106 @_daveh70 @Bali_Maha Maybe thats my issue with all the indieweb and federated stuff. If its impossible for norms it doesnt matter. (twitter.com/_/status/547390556884963328)
snarfed, j12t, prtksxna and loic_m joined the channel
#
@csoliss Movimiento IndieWeb: re-descentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/?utm_content=bufferc751b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/547405542675992576)
Sebastien-L, danlyke_, friedcell, gRegor` and realjxn joined the channel
#
@djp1974 RT @sdh100Shaun: Gonna make much more of an effort to fully enable #indieweb features and relaunch site next year (twitter.com/_/status/547414897764491264)
mlncn joined the channel
#
@AliciaPomares Ojo al dato: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547416694277566464)
mlncn, prtksxna, Erkan_Yilmaz, benjamin-agaric, michielbdejong, snarfed and j12t joined the channel
#
kylewm.com edited /Main_Page (+2) "/* IndieWebCamp */ change image to https to remove mixed content warning on landing page" (view diff)
snarfed, chalettu, prtksxna and wolftune joined the channel
#
@elfpavlik via @openizer https://yunohost.org "Keep calm and host yourself" @yunohost #IndieWeb @IndieHosters @SocialWebWG @unhosted @MyCozyCloud (twitter.com/_/status/547434326053244928)
crystal joined the channel
#
GWG I am thinking of cutting bootstrap from my site.
indie-visitor joined the channel
#
Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
#
GWG Hello anomalily
#
anomalily Has anyone see the "year in review" things that facebook is generating for folks?
#
anomalily I think we need an indieweb version
#
GWG I've seen other people's
#
GWG We're an independent community, each person does their own
#
anomalily I mean, I always make my own year in review post on my own site, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to pull stuff automatically based on number of webmentions
#
anomalily Posts from previous year based on webmentions etc.
tantek joined the channel
#
GWG I think that might be a good goal for 2015
#
tantek that's a great idea anomalily!
#
tantek what is year in review?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "year in review" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=year+in+review
#
GWG The question is, how to generate it
#
tantek anomalily ^^^ start with stubbing that page with *exactly* what you just suggested in IRC!
#
tantek and then I'll add to it
#
GWG What about indiestats?
#
GWG I forget where the progress on that was
#
anomalily I wasn't proposing doing it this year :-P
#
anomalily I love the idea of essentially a webring (remember those?) of indieweb year in reviews
#
anomalily Oh tantek, always making me add things to the wiki.. I will.
#
tantek other sites/silos that have a "year in review" feature: ThisIsMyJam, Instagram (via Iconosquare)
#
GWG I remember webrings.
#
tantek anomalily - adding things to the wiki is how we can collaboratively make things happen, otherwise they're just ideas lost in the logs
#
GWG But, if we start thinking about it now, we could have something interesting for the end of next year.
#
tantek and it's now easier than ever with Loqi's handy "create" links - click it, copy/type {{stub}}, copy/paste what you just typed into IRC, save
#
Loqi dude
#
GWG Tantek, is there an indie mark for statistics?
#
anomalily I'll muse on specing out how it could use indieweb stuff
#
anomalily Could be a cool thing to hack on at the next indiewebcamp
#
tantek just capture the wishes/questions for now, especially since it's a concrete feature on a few silos
#
tantek muse on specing it later
#
anomalily Kay, when I have a down moment at work I'll do it :-)
#
tantek it's like 30 seconds :P
#
tantek GWG, who uses statistics on their site and why?
#
gRegor` what is webring?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webring" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=webring
#
anomalily I gotta get back to work but my work FB account was inundated with those so I wanted to jump on it.
#
anomalily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring
#
gRegor` (Loqi prompt, not an actual q)
#
GWG Tantek, I'm asking in the context of a year in Review.
frzn joined the channel
#
gRegor` Loved webrings in my Geocities days :)
#
anomalily Hehe. I kinda miss em
#
anomalily I was in a few weird ones, like ones for people that didn't go to their high school prom
#
gRegor` Haha, awesome
#
GWG Don't get me started on prom
#
anomalily Okay, now I'm just procrastinating. Back to work for me; it's the craazzzziest time of year for us. Will work on stub later.
#
tantek GWG, you could start the "year in review" page as well, copy/pasting from IRC
#
GWG Note to self, consider looking at analyzing data on incoming webmentions
#
aaronpk !tell KartikPrabhu I noticed :-) https://github.com/G5/microformats2/issues/32
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
tantek I bet snarfed could do some mean stats on Bridgy webmentions for 2014
#
GWG Tantek, I am on my cell phone. It isn't as easy.
#
GWG Wasn't bear doing something?
#
GWG I am trying to remember
#
tantek what is statistics?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "statistics" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=statistics
#
tantek Foursquare used to do year end personal stats, as did Dopplr.
#
tantek Feltron does his annual report which is kind of a like a personal year in review
#
tantek (but involves mostly things he did IRL rather than online)
#
aaronpk anomalily does really great year in review posts too
#
aaronpk http://anomalily.net/this-year-in-numbers-2014/
#
tantek I like that it's done on birthday rather than calendar year end
#
tantek how is she getting iMessage stats?!?
#
gRegor` Love the design of Feltron reports
#
tantek love the "indie" design of anomalily's
#
aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/iMessage-Export
#
tantek aaronpk what if you only have iMessage on an iPod/iPhone?
#
tantek what is iMessage
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iMessage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=iMessage
#
aaronpk if you sign in to your imessage account on a computer it'll sync all the messages to it
#
GWG Tantek, if I start now, I could have something by 5776.
#
aaronpk I leave a laptop running at home that's acting just as a backup of my imessages
#
tantek I don't even know if I have an imessage app on my laptop
#
aaronpk it's just called "messages"
#
aaronpk it's built in as of osx 10.8 I think. or 10.7, can't remmeber
j12t and friedcell joined the channel
#
tantek.com created /iMessage (+517) "stub" (view diff)
#
tantek.com created /imessage (+22) "r" (view diff)
#
aaronpk it's also possible to extract the chat.db file from an ipod backup, but that process is a little more involved
#
aaronpk and you can't really automate it, so doesn't work well as a backup strategy
#
tantek I'm running 10.7.5 and don't see "messages" in my applications folder
#
tantek aaronpk - that's ok - I'd be ok with just annual archiving of it
#
tantek and perhaps deleting of some long conversation histories
#
aaronpk 10.7 is pretty old, it's worth updating
#
aaronpk looks like 10.8 was when the Messages app with iMessage was introduced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messages_(application)#10.8_Mountain_Lion
#
tantek.com edited /iMessage (+81) "macos 10.8" (view diff)
gRegor`, j12t and davidpeach joined the channel
#
tantek.com edited /iMessage (+161) "iphonebackupviewer" (view diff)
#
davidpeach hello y'all
#
tantek davidpeach: earlier you brought up ello - was there a specific question?
#
tantek what is ello?
#
Loqi Ello is microblogging silo similar to Twitter or Tumblr for posting short status update notes and pictures https://indiewebcamp.com/Ello
#
Loqi [mention] kaputse commented 'Goodbye Serendipity!? 2 min read Seit mehr als 10 Jahren blogge ich, mal mehr mal weniger, u...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/why (http://blok.tiyun.de/2014/goodbye-serendipity)
#
davidpeach haha sorry. It's short for hello
#
Loqi ahahahaha
snarfed joined the channel
#
snarfed tantek: you saw the numbers and graphs on https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy , right?
#
tantek I did!
#
tantek amazing!
#
aaronpk hey now that i'm letting anyone sign up for webmention.io I should do the same!
#
snarfed is that the kind of thing you were thinking? or something else?
#
snarfed aaronpk: totally!
snarfed joined the channel
#
tantek snarfed yes - that kind of thing - perhaps updated for 2014 as a whole
#
snarfed hey davidpeach
#
tantek I always wonder how people write year end posts before the actual year end
#
tantek I mean, isn't it possible something else will happen that will affect the post?
#
snarfed davidpeach: how can i help w/the press this bookmarklets?
#
@MyCozyCloud RT @elfpavlik: via @openizer https://yunohost.org "Keep calm and host yourself" @yunohost #IndieWeb @IndieHosters @SocialWebWG @unhostedā€¦ (twitter.com/_/status/547459004029366273)
#
snarfed btw aaronpk, if you do generate stats for wmio, here's the methodology i used for my post, just as a data point: https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy#comment-2583731
#
aaronpk oh good call using google docs
#
aaronpk i've used excel pretty well for that too
#
aaronpk snarfed: do you publish a feed of your "like" posts?
#
aaronpk or GWG?
#
snarfed aaronpk: kind of. https://snarfed.org/responses
#
snarfed i don't think there's a dedicated h-feed for each type
#
@OuiShareLabs RT @elfpavlik: via @openizer https://yunohost.org "Keep calm and host yourself" @yunohost #IndieWeb @IndieHosters @SocialWebWG @unhostedā€¦ (twitter.com/_/status/547460168116871181)
#
aaronpk we really need a micropub plugin for wordpress
#
tantek aaronpk - what user of wordpress has been asking for it for themselves?
#
aaronpk anomalily
#
tantek sounds like something she could add to her "Itches" section on her User page ;)
#
GWG Aaronpk, I do but only because Wordpress had the code, so it wasn't really a decision per se.
#
GWG I had the markup too, but I think I broke it.
#
davidpeach hi snarfed
#
GWG https://david.shanske.com/kind/like/
#
davidpeach snarfed : when I use the bookmarklet, what should happen? Should it create post and select the 'kind' etc?
#
aaronpk GWG: neat!
#
GWG Hmmm.. I should like more.
#
GWG I bookmark more. I treat it like a neutral like.
#
GWG Davidpeach, you using kinds?
#
GWG https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds
#
davidpeach gwg: ive got the indieweb-taxonomy plugin if that helps?
sdboyer and snarfed joined the channel
#
snarfed davidpeach: when you use one of those bookmarklets, it should open your press this admin page and fill in the mf2 html for either a reply, like, repost, etc of that page, depending on which bookmarklet you used
#
snarfed (i'm not sure what you mean by "kind")
#
snarfed oh, and it also includes a bridgy publish link so that if you have the webmention plugin, it will automatically also perform the corresponding action inside fb or twitter
#
snarfed http://brid.gy/about#publish
#
snarfed (i'll be on and off for a while, sorry)
sysfu joined the channel
#
@Nabaz45 RT @elfpavlik: via @openizer https://yunohost.org "Keep calm and host yourself" @yunohost #IndieWeb @IndieHosters @SocialWebWG @unhostedā€¦ (twitter.com/_/status/547467020397465601)
#
davidpeach snarfed oh okay. Kinds are extra taxonomies made by the indieweb taxonomy plugin. getting my wires crossed i think.
#
davidpeach ill just make a bookmerklet post
Erkan_Yilmaz, benjamin-agaric and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
davidpeach snarfed : http://davidpeach.co.uk/twitter-5/
#
snarfed davidpeach: huh. that doesn't look like it was generated by the press this bookmarklets at all
#
snarfed or maybe another plugin is interfering? not sure
#
snarfed here's one of mine: https://snarfed.org/2014-12-23_david-peach-on-twitter-schnarfed-remade-an-example-httpt-co649wjzp4bz
#
snarfed more on https://snarfed.org/responses
#
snarfed the bookmarklets aren't standalone, they also need you to install the wp plugin i linked in the post. did you maybe not do that?
agaric joined the channel
#
@rrodolphec Vu comme Ƨa... http://loic.mathaud.fr/presentations/2014/presentation-indieweb/#25 via @xtof_fr https://twitter.com/rrodolphec/status/547476517467742208/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/547476517467742208)
KevinMarks__ joined the channel
#
KevinMarks__ Interesting post on "unlisted" and "burner" accounts by Chris. A bit hard to map them to indieweb
#
tantek URL?
benjamin-agaric and agaric joined the channel
#
@jjmedrano76 Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/547485647565758464)
#
tantek.com created /favoriting (+22) "r" (view diff)
#
@syvuilliot RT @elfpavlik: via @openizer https://yunohost.org "Keep calm and host yourself" @yunohost #IndieWeb @IndieHosters @SocialWebWG @unhostedā€¦ (twitter.com/_/status/547488719520141312)
#
tantek.com created /Template:pius (+137) "create it since I used it" (view diff)
#
tantek.com created /User:Pius.me (+68) "stub with an h-card" (view diff)
eburcat, pauloppenheim, KartikPrabhu, gRegor` and wolftune joined the channel
#
Loqi [bridgy] Maria Teresa Aarao favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments (https://twitter.com/t/status/547298028454158337)
#
tantek since it's hard enough to get rid of http(s) mixed content warnings, what do y'all think of introducing that as an explicit https level?
#
tantek I'm working on incorporating https levels into IndieMark and realized this would be good to ad
#
aaronpk not a bad idea
#
tantek s/ad/add
#
Loqi tantek meant to say: I'm working on incorporating https levels into IndieMark and realized this would be good to add
#
tantek kylewm, snarfed, KartikPrabhu thoughts? ^^^
#
aaronpk especially since it requires building an image cache/proxy for other peopels' profile photos
#
aaronpk s/building/using
#
Loqi aaronpk meant to say: especially since it requires using an image cache/proxy for other peopels' profile photos
#
KartikPrabhu sgtm
#
Loqi KartikPrabhu: aaronpk left you a message 4 hours, 2 minutes ago: I noticed :-) https://github.com/G5/microformats2/issues/32
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
tantek which is more important / difficult? serving all *your* content with https (with redirects to), or eliminating mixed-content warnings when optionally serving your pages as https?
#
aaronpk i think eliminating mixed-content warnings
#
aaronpk because those warnings are essentially making the https ineffective
#
tantek that is good reasoning
#
aaronpk so if you redirect everything to https and have mixed content warnings, it's not really helping visitors
#
tantek whereas if you optionally allow http or https access to your site, and your https access *lacks* the mixed content warning, you're at least helping your https visitors
#
aaronpk i might even go so far as to explicitly recommend not redirecting your http pages to https unless you've ensured you have no mixed-content warnings
#
tantek right - that's what I'm thinking, and making them sequential like that
#
aaronpk makes sense to me
#
bear yes, IMO, redirect to https is the final step
#
tantek bear - right now we have advanced ciphers etc. as the final step (current Level 5)
#
tantek and redirect to https right before that
#
bear k
#
tantek.com edited /HTTPS (+405) "/* Level 4 security */ note thoughts on redefining Level 4 to be "lock icon" rather than redirect all, then move redirect all to https *with* lock icon to Level 5, and bump others up too" (view diff)
#
bear (sorry, was distracted) - I should have looked - but yes, redirect to https is the final "normal" step - everything else is extra PFS, cipher lists, ....
#
tantek cool
#
tantek bear, so I take it you agree that lock icon instead of mixed content icon is MORE important than redirect everything to https?
#
bear yes
#
tantek great
#
tantek editing /https now accordingly
#
bear thanks
#
bear tantek++
#
Loqi tantek has 130 karma
benjamin-agaric, wolftune, snarfed and gavinc joined the channel
#
tantek.com edited /HTTPS (+516) "introduce new level 4 - lock icon always there when https used, bump http->https redirect to level 5, bump HSTS/forward level 5 to 6" (view diff)
#
tantek bear ^^^ please review
#
tantek.com edited /2015-01-01-commitments (+42) "update https level details" (view diff)
#
aaronpk tantek: so what do you think... if I finish my 2015-01-01 goal ahead of time, should I launch it early?
gRegor`_ joined the channel
#
GWG snarfed: Catching up. Kind is the term used by the Indieweb Taxonomy and Indieweb Post Kinds, because 'Type' is a restricted word.
#
tantek.com created /Template:brettslatkin (+156) "create it since I used it" (view diff)
#
tantek aaronpk - sure - or you could refine it for launch
#
aaronpk I just realized that I should proabbly include POSSEing the favorite to twitter or facebook as appropriate, so that may take me the rest of the week
#
GWG Facebook doesn't have favorites
#
aaronpk "like"
#
aaronpk whatever
#
aaronpk same thing
#
GWG Is it?
#
aaronpk not going there
#
GWG I'm so confused about degrees of like
#
tantek they are the same unless you have a good reason to treat them differently
#
GWG So, I have Favorite, Like, and Bookmark
#
danlyke The difference between "Like" on Facebook and "Favorite" on Metafilter is that the latter is more like a bookmark, the former is just noise in the stream.
#
GWG facepalms
#
danlyke Although the wording "Favorite" encourages some "Like" like semantics.
#
danlyke But that suggests that in a place where we control the lists of what we've liked, that the difference is in the perception of the reader, not the writer.
#
tantek and the shiny gold start (Twitter), or pink star (Flickr)
#
aaronpk regardless of the intent of the person posting the like or favorite, they are the same in that the contents of the post is purely the link of the thing being liked or favorited
#
GWG I tried to figure it out.
#
aaronpk whereas a bookmark may also contain additional data like tags added by the person who created the bookmark
#
danlyke yeah, so to the publisher they're all identical.
#
GWG Like - props/compliments to the original post/poster
#
GWG Favorite - special to the favoriter
#
GWG Bookmark - also known as a linkblog. This is basically sharing/storing a link/bookmark, without the connotations of favorite/like
#
GWG This is what I came up with
#
GWG But I think it is wrong
#
tantek.com edited /Template:brettslatkin (-10) "no stub duh" (view diff)
#
GWG I don't understand emotions.
elf-pavlik joined the channel
#
GWG Let me rephrase that
#
GWG I don't understand emotions as they apply to my opinion of someone else's work.
#
GWG How would all of you define wanting to share someone else's content on your site without defining an emotional state?
#
GWG For example, I do not want to use 'like' when I want to comment on a story on terrorism.
#
GWG And when does a comment become a reply
#
aaronpk what is a reply?
#
aaronpk what is a comment?
#
Loqi A comment is a kind of post that is in reply to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indiewebcamp.com/reply
#
Loqi A comment is a kind of post that is in reply to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indiewebcamp.com/comment
#
GWG I am confusing myself, I think.
#
aaronpk a repost is similar to a like in that the post only contains the URL
#
GWG I thought a repost was when you included the entire content?
#
GWG What is a repost?
#
aaronpk the difference being a repost implies the repost is going to show up in the reposter's primary stream
#
Loqi A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indiewebcamp.com/repost
#
aaronpk oh yeah true. but i thought i saw some examples of reposts that are just the link
#
GWG aaronpk: I thought that was a Bookmark or Linkblog?
#
GWG What is a Bookmark?
#
Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is typically comprised of a URL and optional text accompanying it https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark
#
aaronpk you're right, i can't find any examples of a repost that doesn't actually show the original content
#
GWG aaronpk: I've been confused about this for a long time.
#
GWG But I'm getting the impression I'm not alone in this.
#
GWG That part of the problem is that different silos use them differently, different people here see it differently...
#
gRegor` Is it causing problems on your site? If not, maybe overthinking
#
GWG gRegor`: I loaded in every verb.
#
KartikPrabhu gRegor`++
#
GWG I don't know what verb I'm verbing
#
gRegor` I don't understand that sentence
#
GWG gRegor`: I don't know if the emotion I'm feeling is favoriting, liking, bookmarking, replying...
#
KartikPrabhu GWG: your problem then is that you have too many verbs. Just pick a few that do what you want
#
GWG I've only established I know what a repost is
#
KartikPrabhu also apart from "like/favourite" none of the others are "emotions"
#
gRegor` what is bookmark?
#
Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is typically comprised of a URL and optional text accompanying it https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark
#
GWG KartikPrabhu: I don't know what I want, because I'm confused.
#
GWG KartikPrabhu: I am seeing bookmark as an absence of emotion.
#
KartikPrabhu GWG: emotion or not is not the point. Bookmark means something in the English language. Just go with that
#
gRegor` I wouldn't get caught up on like/favorite - just pick one and stick with it to be consistent.
#
KartikPrabhu exactly
#
gRegor` I think the use of like/favorite is typically to broadcast out your interest in the thing, which perhaps you might revisit later.
#
gRegor` I think a bookmark is definitely intended for you to revisit later.
#
GWG I think I'm underusing reply
#
KartikPrabhu again "reply" as an English word is very clear
#
gRegor` And bookmarks can optionally be broadcast, in case others also find them interesting, but their use case is more for you than the broadcast.
#
KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yup. like IRL bookmarks :P
#
gRegor` So bookmarks will likely have more features for ease-of-finding. Tags, archives, search.
#
gRegor` Wheras like/favorite may not, if you don't need those features
#
gRegor` what is IRL bookmarks?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IRL bookmarks" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IRL+bookmarks
#
gRegor` jk
#
GWG I may be my own worst enemy
andrunix and snarfed joined the channel
#
tantek.com edited /2015-01-01-commitments (+27) "/* Commitments */ link Ari" (view diff)
#
GWG I wonder if I should accelerate the feature to select which kinds will be active on my site