#indiewebcamp 2014-12-30

2014-12-30 UTC
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Loqi [bridgy] Robin Taylor favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Brainstorming (https://twitter.com/t/status/549654017421631488)
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@4c4d @docpop https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/549739724571570177)
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@t @DocPop says right there on the home page @4c4d gave you: Beyond Blogging and Decentralization http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization (ttk.me t4Zt2) (twitter.com/_/status/549746516425191424)
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Loqi [bridgy] Doctor Popular replied '@t @4c4d yeah, that page didn't help me out much, but maybe it's because I'm stuck thinking of how it fits with existing paradigms.' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization (https://twitter.com/DocPop/status/549747043334230017)
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@t @DocPop I’ll see your “blog more”, raise you with: Own your notes, stop throwing them @Twitter. http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Zt3) (twitter.com/_/status/549748369766490112)
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tantek it appears @DocPop is on WordPress: https://twitter.com/DocPop/status/549748779994189824
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@DocPop @maxticket good question. Google might favor them, but I've become a fan of a few of the SEO plugins for WordPress. It's helped traffic too. (twitter.com/_/status/549748779994189824)
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tantek this looks like a job for WordPress Outreach! GWG, snarfed ^^^
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GWG tantek: Who is docpop?
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tantek GWG docpop is http://www.docpop.org/
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@dshanske @docpop Heard you were trying to understand Indiewebcamp and using it with WordPress Need help? (twitter.com/_/status/549750486140977152)
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tantek GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 43 karma
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tantek on another note, I am this || close to giving up on HTML5 <article><header><footer> markup
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@DocPop @dshanske awesome offer. I just need to research Indiewebcamp more to understand it better. I'll ping you if I have any questions. Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/549751809804222465)
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tantek I'm having trouble justifying learning / dealing with the particular usage of those tags - given they seem to have no impact in any browser or any other consumer
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GWG tantek: You've sat on these standards groups. When do they say...no one adopted our standard...?
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tantek GWG - very rarely do they say "no one adopted **our** standard" - quite the opposite, creators of standards are nearly always extremely defensive (emotional attachment) about **their** standard.
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GWG I just think about the issue regularly.
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GWG Why people persist with an idea long after it has not worked out the way anyone wanted to
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tantek However, since the collossal failure of XML to replace HTML, it has become more acceptable for someone e.g. in W3C to say "no one adopted (or bothers with) *this* standard" about some other W3C standard
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tantek GWG, emotional attachment, and fear of admitting failure
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tantek most such irrational persistence can be ascribed to a source of fear of some sort
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tantek the irony is that failure to admit failure is an even *bigger* failure
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tantek whereas OTOH admitting failure *as fast as possible* allows one to correct for it and adapt as quickly as possible
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tantek short term emotional reaction (attachment, fear) seems to override long term desire for success
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tantek the hard part is figuring out rationally what amount of time is "as fast as possible" as sometimes (often) it takes *years* to gather adoption/reaction data to a standard
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KartikPrabhu tantek: also classifying what counts as "failure to adopt"
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tantek KartikPrabhu: agreed, that is challenging as well
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KartikPrabhu I have seen arguments that microformats is antiquated since "most people" have not adopted it and its proliferation is only due to default use in Wordpress themes
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That is why default incorporation is often helpful in adoption
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there is also the 2 year amnesia effect when it comes to web tech
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KartikPrabhu GWG: yes, but it is also seen as an argument against adoption
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tantek anything > 2 years old is treated as antiquated as best, or forgotten completely
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KartikPrabhu I think the work here on using microformats to do things like response-context and comment display has not yet gotten "out there"
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tantek KartikPrabhu: to be fair, there were several key issues with classic microformats that took us a while to gather data on to understand the depth/nature of, and incorporate solutions into microformats2
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KartikPrabhu true. and in that sense mf2 has limited adoption so far
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tantek the biggest problem was not being real world use-case driven *enough*
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KartikPrabhu with people moving on to "linked data" and JSON and all that
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tantek which we are fixing with microformats2, and driving it by *requiring* real world use-cases *before* adding *anything* (properties or new formats)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no one is "moving on" to "linked data" - except from RDF/RDFa
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KartikPrabhu though those have pretty significant drawbacks IMO as frequently discussed here particulary the side-files anti-pattern
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tantek it's the same crowd, different triples-related buzzword. a rebranding at best.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. I meant the "dev" circles
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tantek they're not even "dev" circles - they're academic theory circles and some government
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KartikPrabhu or as you might put it "web academics"
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KartikPrabhu :)
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tantek people have largely moved on from XML to JSON though
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KartikPrabhu which might be an "improvement" but too little too late I feel
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tantek and not realizing that they're making all the same assumptions / statements about JSON being "it" for APIs etc. the way they were about XML being "it"
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KartikPrabhu yup. without the APIs doing anything visible/concrete
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tantek thus JSON is simply the dev-machine-syntax of this decade, while XML was of the previous decade
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KartikPrabhu just collecting data for collecting sake
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tantek few people have the perspective to see fashion trends that are 10 years long
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tantek btw - re: before about bad hentrys - aaronpk, kylewm I didn't see any objections to *not* implying properties when doing backcompat parsing of microformats
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tantek issue captured along with resolution: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_on_backcompat_parsing_unlikely_to_be_intended - please comment there
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tantek snarfed++ for documenting his checkin flow (and just how challenging it is to make checkins work with any kind of silo interaction)
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Loqi snarfed has 68 karma
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tantek yeah I'm pretty close to giving up on and ditching any use of HTML5 article aside figure footer header nav section tags in my posts and Falcon storage. per https://twitter.com/t/status/549788622099345409
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@t Stable 5+ years, yet any browsers do anything special with #HTML5 article aside figure footer header nav section tags? (ttk.me t4Zt4) (twitter.com/_/status/549788622099345409)
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tantek aside and nav are the only two that "feel" likely useful
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tantek nav to eliminate the whole "skip nav" problem
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tantek and aside I've just found personally *very* useful when blogging, and it's exactly easily/obviously named for its usage
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tantek the others less so
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tantek now I'm wondering what a good (if any?) slug would be for a like/favorite post
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tantek maybe just like the p-name - author(user)name-postkind
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tantek checks existing indieweb like post examples to see what slugs others are using
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@bradchoate @t I think there’s a minimum article length factored into reader… this one works - http://tantek.com/2014/357/b1/2015-indieweb-site-launch-commitment (twitter.com/_/status/549801152888332289)
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tantek no real pattern to like post slugs - most put nothing, second most put some sort of auto-slug of the post they're liking, even if the liked post has no slug of its own
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tantek upon consideration, putting a slug on a like (especially more of a slug than the liked post) seems like a bad idea as it potentially does more "SEO" than the original liked post, which seems like bad form from a community / peer respect perspective
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tantek I wouldn't my like of a post showing up higher than the liked post in a search result
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tantek s/my/want my
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I wouldn't want my like of a post showing up higher than the liked post in a search result
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tantek can't think of a good use-case for a slug on a like post, and can think of downsides (any form of out-SEOing the liked post or author thereof), thus going with no slugs on like posts for now.
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tantek.com edited /like (+1157) "/* Brainstorming */ URL design" (view diff)
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tantek in order to make storing like posts as minimal/efficient as possible, I'm re-assessing/questioning all aspects of everything I store about a post in my flat file storage
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tantek hence some of the questioning about HTML5 article and footer for example, both of which I currently use but am looking at dropping
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tantek As a side-effect it looks like I'm adding to my 2015-01-01 launch commitment, under the covers at least. A drastically simpler storage format.
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tantek kylewm: I took the liberty of adjusting the summary description here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#Red_Wind
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kylewm tantek: I noticed! It was nice
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tantek kylewm how did you come up with using the two floating leaves as the logo?
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kylewm I think it was just the only emoji that had "wind" in the description
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kylewm "Leaf fluttering in wind"
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tantek why not 🍂 ?
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tantek (more red)
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kylewm ha well that would be good if it were called Red Leaf
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kylewm I worry a little about putting it in a category with Known and Wordpress
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tantek the level of IndieMark implementation and how fast thedod was able to set it up and use it for various post types is testament to its inclusion
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kylewm welllll, to be fair, he knows what he's doing and I suspect read a fair bit of python to set it up
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tantek as did Jesse when he setup his Known install on s.ly
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tantek which was only about 6 months ago?
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tantek s/python/php
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kylewm I'm not trying to be Mr. Imposter Syndrome, just ... the focus is different
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tantek different focus is good. the inclusion is based on indiemark + multiple users + open source
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tantek all of which are objectively measurable
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kylewm ok :)
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kylewm what's ▜?
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kylewm tetromino?
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tantek symbols from high ASCII long before emoji were a ✨ in anyone's 👀
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kylewm tantek++ lol
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KevinMarks_ Worth reading as we think about indieweb principles https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c
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tantek KevinMarks: too bad it's on Medium and not an indieweb site
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tantek KevinMarks: "When weird nerds watch the cool kids jockeying for social position on Twitter, we see no difference between these status games and the ones we opted out of in high school." <--- guess what, we *are* the weird nerds opting out of social position on Twitter *AND* Medium - unlike the article
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owen1 is there a way to get rss of my twitter lists?
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tantek owen1 - great question!
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owen1 tantek: i am looking into their docs - https://dev.twitter.com/fabric/overview
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tantek or is there a way to export your twitter lists into a format that your reader can subscribe to
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tantek in other news, I think I'm dropping id attributes from my published markup on my blog posts
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tantek I'm not using them for any styling hooks nor hyperlink fragment destinations
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tantek I believe I may have put them there only as legacy thinking from when id attributes were an essential part of the permalinks of my blog posts (2002-2008)
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tantek but now my permalinks all have their own path without fragment
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csarven tantek I still find fragments quite useful e.g., pointing at a particular paragraph / thought.
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tantek csarven - I agree for elements *inside* an h-entry (e.g. paragraphs), however no the h-entry itself.
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snarfed owen1: re rss for twitter lists…definitely! http://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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snarfed https://tweeps2opml.appspot.com/ is also worth checking out. slightly different, but very cool. just launched yesterday
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@xtof_fr Work in progress on #indieweb commitment 2015-01-01 > http://tantek.com/2014/357/b1/2015-indieweb-site-launch-commitment Trying to #ownmynotes with .. http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/work-in-progress-on-indieweb-commitment-2015-01-01-2014357b12015-indieweb-site-launch-commitment-trying-to (twitter.com/_/status/549927968445706240)
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@fakebaldur “Own Your Data“ http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/549929210123673600)
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gRegor` Morning, indieweb
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GWG gRegor`: Morning, gRegor`
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tantek I've got in-stream and permalink like posts working, and am seeing if I can get collapsing clusters of likes working.
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GWG tantek: I look forward to seeing it
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tantek conditional stream markup is challenging ;)
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GWG tantek: Can you define the term conditional stream markup?
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tantek GWG - note how the markup for like posts changes between one, two, and three in a row as shown here: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#markup_for_hypertext_design
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GWG tantek: I think I will take a break from changing my markup for a bit.
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GWG Although I am still missing the date
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tantek it's purely driven from the visual design
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GWG Yes. Just, as you said, challenging.
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bret owen1: something like this? https://tweeps2opml.appspot.com/
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bret tantek: iirc safari reader view button was a fork of the early readability open source code... which uses some combination of microformats and semantic html tags :) https://readability.com/developers/guidelines
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aaronpk good morning
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GWG Good morning, aaronpk
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aaronpk what is a sidefile?
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Loqi The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indiewebcamp.com/sidefile
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aaronpk what is robots.txt
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "robots.txt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=robots.txt
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aaronpk heh well that isn't going to work as a wiki page
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aaronpk I do actually want to know the name of things like robots.txt and humans.txt
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GWG What's the solution?
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tantek What's the problem?
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tantek aaronpk - they are different things
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aaronpk someone just emailed me suggesting pgp.txt
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tantek except in the "well known path anti pattern"
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aaronpk yes that
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aaronpk is there a shorter name for it?
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aaronpk I want to reply to this email saying "no don't do that" and link to a wiki page
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tantek yeah it's a w3c thing
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bret this thing? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5785
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bret "Aren't well-known locations bad for the Web?
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bret They are, but for various reasons -- both technical and social --
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bret they are commonly used and their use is increasing. This memo
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bret defines a "sandbox" for them, to reduce the risks of collision and
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bret to minimise the impact upon pre-existing URIs on sites."
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tantek nope that's ietf
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tantek and it's also more of a bad idea
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tantek I can't find it because W3C sucks at making things findable :/
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tantek bret the whole .well-known thing was a hack
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tantek I think Eran quit that doc too
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bret plus its .well-known isn't widely known X]
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Loqi [bridgy] Aaron Parecki favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata (https://twitter.com/t/status/549748369766490112)
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bret s/its /
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Loqi bret meant to say: plus .well-known isn't widely known X]
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kylewm thinking about the "isn't it just wordpress" confusion from yesterday; i do feel like the homepage could do a better job answering the question at the top "What is the IndieWeb?"
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Loqi The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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kylewm exactly, Loqi
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kylewm like, this version from last February does a better job (imho) of answering the question http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=7060
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tantek kylewm - that wasn't the impression of the broader more diverse crowd at IndieWebCampSF
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tantek and it's always better to say what something is *first*, *before* saying how is it different than other things
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tantek better to have your primary identity be defined in a way not dependent on comparing yourself to others
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aaronpk agreed, so why is the first sentence "the indieweb is a people-focused alternative to the corporate web"
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tantek because that has been a strongly resonating one line summary
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aaronpk but that's comparing it to something else
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tantek (do a google search on it)
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kylewm tantek: what wasn't the impression of the crowd at SF?
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tantek aaronpk - that's a hook
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tantek it's what gets folks like journalists and such somewhat interested
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kylewm I'm not saying get rid of the elevator pitch that Scott wrote; I'm just saying it doesn't answer "What is the indieweb?" anymore
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tantek the key is its brevity
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Loqi The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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aaronpk it does a good job of that, but we don't have an actual one-sentence definition on the home page
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kylewm it doesn't say "Create and publish content on your own site," anywhere
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tantek we could prehaps do with a briefer version of that /indieweb definition as a one sentence before the "people-focused alternative"
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tantek kylewm: and that still won't help the "isn't it just wordpress" crowd
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GWG What is the corporate web?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "corporate web" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=corporate+web
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kylewm I think it would
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tantek because even when pointed out that the page has a HEADING answering that question, they're blind to it
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tantek it's not a amount of text or right text problem
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tantek they're stuck in a viewpoint
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tantek they don't want their flippant dismissal to be invalidated
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aaronpk flippant dismissals are fun and catchy and easy to RT
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kylewm https://twitter.com/DocPop/status/549740703102664704
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@DocPop @4c4d huh, neat. I dig the idea. How is it different than something like WordPress? Is it more like a decentralized social network? (twitter.com/_/status/549740703102664704)
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kylewm that's the tweet you are taking issue with?
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kylewm not a flippant dismissal at all
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tantek kylewm no the follow-up
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tantek "How is it different than something like WordPress?" is a flippant dismissal
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tantek and the follow-up is the rejection of the invalidation of the flippant dismissal
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kylewm ref: https://twitter.com/DocPop/status/549747043334230017
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@DocPop @t @4c4d yeah, that page didn't help me out much, but maybe it's because I'm stuck thinking of how it fits with existing paradigms. (twitter.com/_/status/549747043334230017)
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tantek right at least he's admitted he's stuck in his thinking
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tantek and perhaps why he's blind to https://twitter.com/t/status/549746516425191424
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@t @DocPop says right there on the home page @4c4d gave you: Beyond Blogging and Decentralization http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization (ttk.me t4Zt2) (twitter.com/_/status/549746516425191424)
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kylewm that is where I was coming from too, so I guess I identify with that statement :)
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kylewm so it's like ... another thing like Diaspora* and pump.io and tent?
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tantek if he can't connect "Beyond Blogging" to "How is diifferent from WordPress" then forget it
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gRegor` "How is it different than something like WordPress?" sans tone is not a flippant dismissal, imo.
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GWG Kylewm, isn't it confusing the concept with an execution?
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tantek WordPress is just an instance of Blogging
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tantek anyway - better to teach by way of challenge in this case IMO
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tantek per https://twitter.com/t/status/549748369766490112
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@t @DocPop I’ll see your “blog more”, raise you with: Own your notes, stop throwing them @Twitter. http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Zt3) (twitter.com/_/status/549748369766490112)
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tantek Loqi?
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aaronpk he's busy...
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aaronpk someone just karmabombed him in another channel
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tantek oh net split - it went to the logs but not me
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kylewm (the twitter scrolling bug seems to have gotten worse today)
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tantek kylewm they're clearly trying to inspire more indie readers
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aaronpk he's just busy rate limiting himself so freenode doesn't boot him
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tantek so that's the fundamental challenge to people that don't get why/who indieweb is different from blogs / wordpress / decentralized monoculture hooha
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tantek challege them to tweet from their own site and see how far they get
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GWG Im annoyed Wordpress.com is trying to take over Wordpress.org
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tantek I don't even know what that means
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tantek since in practice the open source project has been run by people that work at Automattic
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GWG Something called JetPack
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kylewm maybe my proposal would be, move the "Your content is yours/ you are better connected /you are in control" block above "What is the IndieWeb?" and bolster the "people focused alternative to the corporate web" with the practical description "publishing on your own site"
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Loqi The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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tantek kylewm - maybe fork /Main_Page to a subpage under your user page and try it out?
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GWG I consider my site still allowing for interactions with others very important
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GWG You shouldn't silo yourself, even on your own site
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tantek aaronpk: sitemap.xml is another example
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voxpelli Never made a 2015-01-01 commitment, but sort of worked on a feature anyway: There's now interaction support and facepiles on https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ !
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tantek voxpelli: awesome! blog about it as what you got done for 2015-01-01!
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kylewm GWG: what's going on with Jetpack?
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bret nice voxpelli!
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bret i should take switch
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Loqi I agree
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bret take the time to*
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kylewm voxpelli: what is interaction support?
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voxpelli kylewm: support for http://indiewebcamp.com/interactions – so mainly likes, reposts but also distinguishing replies from mentions
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kylewm voxpelli: oh, rad!
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KevinMarks_ Is that for new ones, voxpelli? Or will it fix the ones on my older posts?
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: The data is there now, but I haven't pushed the facepiles out to existing embeds because that would require everyone to update the styling of their sites
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voxpelli Right now I pushed the facepiles it to a new experimental embed and I will push a new opt-in embed version with it eventually – would preferably want some feedback/experience on the new facepiles first though
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: If you like to test it before that you can try it right now if you like by adding a version=cutting-edge query param to the /api/embed script that you include – but I will push other experimental stuff eventually as well, so should move to a new stable embed soon
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kylewm feedbin's UI just cannot keep up with twitter-atom volume of entries
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@karmacom End/year: Something for us digital #content freaks & marketers to contemplate for #2015: The #IndieWeb http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/550018654101049346)
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@skyler RT @kevinmarks: @PJVogt @atduskgreg @hotdogsladies this is the difference between a silo and a cloud service: see http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (twitter.com/_/status/550019349486907392)
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Loqi [bridgy] Skyler Reed favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/549433614899740673)
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Loqi [bridgy] Skyler Reed retweeted a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (https://twitter.com/skyler/status/550019349486907392)
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gRegor` Does bridgy allow publishing comments on a status (our own status), or just new status?
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gRegor` ^ snarfed, kylewm
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gRegor` (On Facebook, sorry)
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` yearh, i'm pretty sure thats in the FAQ on bridgy
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gRegor` What is RTFAQ? :)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RTFAQ? :)" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=RTFAQ%3F+%3A%29
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ben_thatmustbeme https://www.brid.gy/about#reply
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 37 karma
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gRegor` Cool. Just starting to use bridgy to publish to facebook.
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ben_thatmustbeme yay
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegornobacktic++
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Loqi gRegornobacktic has 2 karma
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@seonow RT @karmacom: End/year: Something for us digital #content freaks & marketers to contemplate for #2015: The #IndieWeb http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/550039316899307520)
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ben_thatmustbeme pretty soon I plan to start a cordova app to do some things such as an mp-client and hopefully notifier. I think getting indieauth methods correct will be the most complex bit though
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ben_thatmustbeme if anyone is interested in such a project with me
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: I bootstrapped indieauth for a mobile app by letting a server do most of the work
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tantek backward compat code & styling updates deployed for like posts
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tantek going to do some more testing with data locally, and verify posting UI (what little I have)
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tantek I've even got the clustering display working on my home page (locally)
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aaronpk wow
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bret nice tantek
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bret screenshot!
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tantek I think I'm not going to bother to fave POSSE copies
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tantek I was thinking about this - all it does is send the person a duplicate on their original (via Bridgy), and give more credence/relevance to silo copies
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tantek neither of which is good
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tantek so why go to the extra effort?
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tantek this is different than POSSEing replies to POSSE copies, because that helps keep both threads going, allows people to reply to either etc.
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tantek and I'll likely use Bridgy to update Twitter/FB when I fave things there
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tantek / lke
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tantek s/lke/like
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Loqi tantek meant to say: / like
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tantek as part of this I got rid of <article> tags on my home page since no browser did anything with them
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tantek and I'd setup all the CSS to style .article anyway for backcompat
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@kevinmarks "@SomaFmRusty: Podcasting: http://t.co/VLb8fUBX11" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/550057509273092097)
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owen1 bret: thank! i'll look into this tool
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kylewm owen1: hopefully you saw the message about https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ too
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owen1 kylewm: yup
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@mukkukm RT @kevinmarks: "@SomaFmRusty: Podcasting: http://t.co/VLb8fUBX11" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/550071964010696704)
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@PinderNET RT @kevinmarks: "@SomaFmRusty: Podcasting: http://t.co/VLb8fUBX11" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/550078435092340736)
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snarfed kylewm: interesting rendering of your blockquote to plain text here! https://www.facebook.com/12802152/posts/10101139625343599
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kylewm snarfed: you mean, interesting failed rendering :)