#indiewebcamp 2015-01-01

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@cstanhope @cstanhope I didn't do it quite like I hoped, but I am going to say I managed to get to Level 1. http://charles.stanho.pe/2014/365/a0/ #indieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/550458188550504448)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+63) "/* Working on */ moved date on posts, split up 2015-001 commitment list" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+140) "/* Working on */ Done: hide title on small posts" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+138) "/* Working on */ Done: Hide title on comics" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+33) "/* Working on */ Done: Move date somewhere below image on comics" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (-360) "Condensed & moved 2015-001 commitment items from "Working" to "Done"." (view diff)
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colintedford Finished my small but satisfying 2015-01-01 commitment. Woo!
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GWG Guess...back to mf2_s, the starter theme I'm trying for.
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ben_thatmust !tell aaronpk when you get a chance, can you remove my TOTP code from indieauth. I don't want to have that as an option to log in
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek Happy New Year to #indiewebcamp Chicago, East Coast, Europe, Asia, and Australia/NZ folks!
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GWG Thank you
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ben_thatmust thanks tantek
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ben_thatmust so are we to start making our 2016 commitments now?
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ben_thatmust or do like 2015-02-01?
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tantek maybe for the next IWC?
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GWG tantek: I am still hoping for a return to NYC
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tantek i think there are fairly certain dates for Cambridge right?
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tantek GWG - sounds good! Have you tried finding a co-organizer?
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GWG tantek: Jeremy Zilar was trying.
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GWG I check in with him periodically
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tantek GWG - great - looking forward to it!
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GWG If not, I suppose plan B is inviting you all to hang out in my living room
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ben_thatmust the seem to be pretty set for us, don't know about venue scheduling though
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ben_thatmust don't know who is organizing
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ben_thatmust I have some ideas I'd love to get done by then
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GWG Which then?
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GWG Cambridge?
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tantek ben_thatmust: I think /2015/Cambridge is being hosted by MIT / Sandro
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ben_thatmust i figured as much, hadn't heard if Sandro had reserved anything yet
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@elimisteve @FixOurInternet Glad you care! Check out @cznweb's arkos.io project, @aral's ind.ie project, and various projects at https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/550657260095959040)
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GWG Slow morning
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GWG Good afternoon, tantek
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tantek Happy New Year GWG!
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GWG Thank you again.
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GWG I'm just happy to see activity.
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GWG It's been dead in here today
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tantek Happy to help make some. :)
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GWG I've been working on my new Indieweb project
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GWG Which is an old Indieweb project
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tantek nice!
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GWG A version of _s, the WordPress unthemed starter theme
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GWG I proposed they add mf2 to the theme, but they declined...in a positive way
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tantek weird
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tantek well the real answer is to get mf2 markup added to core without depending on themes
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GWG Not really. They agreed they would do it when core did it
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tantek because history has shown that splitting that responsibility breaks
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GWG As you identified, they felt that decision should start upstream
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GWG But, in the interim, I have my version coming
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tantek that's reasonable. until then, you can add it yourself to a fork and make it work
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tantek good plan
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GWG My fork has a bit more than that
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tantek proving by doing, especially selfdogfooding, is very effective
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GWG It has webmention and semantic linkbacks as a dependency
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GWG Well, I wanted to fix my theme, because it didn't account a lot of changes I made to my plugins since I wrote it.
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GWG So, I wanted to go back to the base and put things in at that level.
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GWG I'm defining webmentions and semantic linkbacks as 'core Indieweb WordPress'.
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tantek better to have a theme that *doesn't* depend on those, but rather is progressively enhanced by such plugins
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GWG WordPress doesn't have a dependency system. The lines I added regarding it are documented in the code on how to remove.
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GWG Since a starter theme is meant to be used to make a theme, not act as a theme itself...
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GWG Basically, if you don't have the plugins activated, it has a message suggesting you do.
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GWG So, it will work with or without it
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GWG It just works better with
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tantek cool
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@jagarfear Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/550738319542599680)
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@kevinmarks "@klintron: The weird thing is that category feeds work fine, only the main rss feed is wonky." http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#Criticism (twitter.com/_/status/550742007992156160)
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@DanielCBerman Experimenting with the #indieweb project. If I have everything setup correctly this post should land on http://status.danielcberman.com (twitter.com/_/status/550748841100603392)
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aaronpk happy 2015!
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmust left you a message on 12/31 at 10:01pm: when you get a chance, can you remove my TOTP code from indieauth. I don't want to have that as an option to log in
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GWG Happy 2015, aaronpk
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GWG Any excitement there?
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aaronpk ben_thatmust: TOTP code is deleted!
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bear 2015-01-01 commitment update: secure micropub token generation (done), micropub endpoint auth verify (done) -- now to get the micropub POST handler to do something with the incoming data ;)
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GWG bear: Good luck
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bear thanks!
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kylewm bear, do you know that your atom.xml is a 404 right now?
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bear @kylewm yea, I removed all them when I was searching for how that fool got my address
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kylewm ohhh
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bear I need to get indiefeeds running - another todo for today
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aaronpk bear++
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Loqi bear has 51 karma
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bear (I found a very old post where I had posted a google map picture of my house which turns out to have the street address in the metadata)
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bear currently i'm walking thru the micropub wiki page and implementing as I go
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kylewm I think they save that level of obsessive snooping for Brianna Wu
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bear or for people who want very old twitter handles sadly
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aaronpk bear: I want to improve the /micropub page so any suggestions or edits are welcome
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GWG bear: What are indiefeeds, other than an h-feed wrapper around your index/archive pages?
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bear aaronpk - i'll keep notes, i'm up to the verification of the access_token part right now
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aaronpk cool
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bear GWG - yep, that's them, but right now I don't have that
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GWG bear: I was just working on that
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bear oh, wait - I *do* have an h-feed in my section wrapper for articles
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bear how would I test that it is a valid h-feed?
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kylewm I like https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/
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bear oh nifty - it spits out all the data
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kylewm also this if you want to see how mf2util would parse it https://kylewm.com/services/mf2util?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbear.im%2Fbearlog%2F
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kylewm shameless plugs
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bear so yea, I do have h-feeds setup
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bear odd that it says "type: mention" tho
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@aribadernatal My freshly home-brewed website, ready for 2015. Projects, blogs, <table>-free styling, https everywhere. https://aribadernatal.com/2015/01/01/homebrew-website-2015-edition/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/550762697982099457)
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kylewm tiny issue that I think you should move e-content in a couple levels; right now it wraps the title/date/etc.
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bear yea, was just seeing how where it's placed is impacting the mf2 parsing
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GWG kylewm: You mind if I test with that too?
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kylewm GWG, absolutely do not mind
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GWG kylewm: Do you support h-as-*?
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kylewm GWG, no I don't do anything with them
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GWG I meant in the parser.
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GWG Regardless of doing anything with them
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kylewm mf2py parsers them
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kylewm but I don't do anything beyond that (in terms of interpreting the results different for as-article vs. as-note or whtever)
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GWG I know there is some debate as to h-as-?
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GWG I use them because I needed a class to style anyway...and I figured I'd be forward looking.
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aaronpk huh, I made a point of not adding any styles to mf2 classes. I add separate classes when I want to style things
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kylewm I think they're weird :) just my 2c
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GWG Which they?
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kylewm h-as-*
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bear hmm, what html markup do I use to hide the h-card photo info in my h-feed?
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aaronpk you can make a small h-card and then just display:none it if you want
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aaronpk there's a minimal example here http://indiewebcamp.com/h-card
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bear so display:none would be added to the <img> tag?
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aaronpk seems reasonable
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bear woo! it worked
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aaronpk i've done inline css like that for some things. then I usually get crap from my designer friends who have strong feelings about using inline styles but whatever
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bear *shrugs* - it solved my problem :)
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bear kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 91 karma
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aaronpk that's my take on it too :)
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bear your suggestion to move e-content helped a lot of subtle feed parsing issues
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bear tho it still says the type is "mention" :/
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kylewm oh, really? that is an mf2util bug then
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kylewm it shouldn't be parsing it as a comment
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bear the mf2 output shown on shrewdness's output doesn't mention type at all
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kylewm hmm, where do you have a link to where it's giving you "mention"?
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kylewm the first page i tried said "type": "entry"
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bear https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbear.im%2Fbearlog
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bear in the second column of info
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kylewm I'm guessing that you can ignore that; probably it just means it wasn't determined to be something more specific like a reply/like/repost
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bear k
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bear I will need to add some type of h-entry "type" to my templates soon
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GWG aaronpk: Some people like inline for speed
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GWG In an h-feed then, do people have a hidden h-card in every h-entry or just once per page?
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bear I do a byline for each entry and that is where the h-card is
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GWG bear: Are you now hiding that byline with a display: none?
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bear only the photo part
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kylewm GWG, I have one h-card per page of h-entry's
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bear my byline reads like: date-of-post by bear (hidden photo)
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@DanielCBerman Experimenting with the #indieweb project on http://status.danielcberman.com - http://status.danielcberman.com/t/K (twitter.com/_/status/550774690659049472)
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bear I do it that way because each h-entry is done by a template and my index page just loops thru each post and uses the post template
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GWG kylewm: Any pros and cons?
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GWG bear: I have that too. I just add a conditional... if is_single())
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kylewm GWG, I think they are functionally equivalent. just a question of presentation
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kylewm so no pros nor cons really
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GWG I'm finding thinking about markup before presentation is interesting.
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/
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aaronpk snarfed++ for the amazing number of things on /ownyourdata
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