2015-01-31 UTC
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# 00:40 KevinMarks I think there's an element of truth to this, but it's also the growth of "engagement" goals for advertisers also makes them decay
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# 01:02 GWG I'm trying to decide what project to work on next.
# 01:04 GWG Waiting on sorting things out with Pfefferle on domain whitelisting. Maybe back to starter theme.
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# 01:08 GWG Im trying to decide what to do this weekend day
# 01:11 tantek that's cool - just seeing if it needs any re-ordering
# 01:13 GWG I'm trying to decide if I should go back to my starter theme, merge teo competing syndication plugins, or something else on my list
# 01:19 tantek what's the end user feature you want the most on your personal site?
# 01:21 GWG Well, I want to improve POSSE. But I don't want to write API code.
# 01:22 GWG I want to make posting easier, but I have plumbing to improve to get there.
# 01:24 GWG Last weekend I did a lot of plumbing improvements that didn't benefit me except for moving me closer to getting into the Wordpress.org repository.
# 01:26 GWG Getting into the repository will net my site little, but would help others
# 01:27 GWG I suppose it might get contributers
# 01:29 GWG Also, cleaning up my code is never a bad thing
# 01:29 tantek except you can spend endless time cleaning code and never shipping anything useful
# 01:31 GWG A lot of it last weekend was learning about Grunt snd how it can automate certain functions for me.
# 01:33 GWG Sometimes I think I need to find a mentor for ny coding
# 01:34 GWG Someone familiar with the Wordpress stuff
# 01:35 GWG Either way, there is one thing really bothering me.
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# 01:39 bret there are a lot of specific tools that can just be chained together and run against folders/directories... no gruntfile wrangling required!
# 01:41 GWG Grunt just had a lot of nice Wordpress plugins
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# 01:43 GWG I keep ending up learning about new things
# 01:45 bret GWG: which grunt wordpress plugins do you like?
# 01:46 GWG There was one for deploying to the Wordpress.org repository that I may use someday
# 01:46 GWG Either way, I was going to focus on coding thibgs.
# 01:47 GWG Im mostly using it for compiling SASS, minifying, concatenation, etc. Clerical
# 01:49 GWG Bret, I don't think I have enough of a project to need extensive task management
# 02:00 gRegor` iangreenleaf: I'm just sucking it up and using Hangouts for now. In practice, the most federation I did was with AIM accounts, not other XMPP servers.
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# 02:56 GWG I'll miss XMPP when it fully dies
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# 04:01 aaronpk if someone else puts my article on hackernews, should i add a syndication url to my post?
# 04:03 aaronpk i agree, especially since my header for it is "this post elsewhere" rather than "also posted on"
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# 09:20 Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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# 15:25 millette raretrack, the channel is publicly logged - hope you don'T use that password elsewhere.
# 15:26 raretrack thanks millette, i realised my mistake as soon I did it - I am an idiot! No, it's a onetime random pw generated by LastPass
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# 16:10 aaronpk aw man why is my comment presentation library so screwy?
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# 17:09 snarfed ben_thatmust: yeah, i'm seeing those 403s. sorry :(
# 17:10 snarfed twitter occasionally 403s api write requests. i don't know why
# 17:10 snarfed hate to say it, but try re-signing up (including for publish), sometimes fixes it
# 17:11 ben_thatmust displayName for the object is the full body... wonder if thats an issue?
# 17:11 aaronpk twitter will reject the request if the body is >140 chars
# 17:13 aaronpk "Any attempt that would result in duplication will be blocked, resulting in a 403 error."
# 17:13 aaronpk "While not rate limited by the API a user is limited in the number of tweets they can create at a time." this is nice and unspecific
# 17:14 aaronpk if you count the ellipsis as one, which is correct
# 17:14 kylewm ok with … instead of \2026, it's 141 characters
# 17:15 snarfed i shouldn't have been so quick to chalk it up to flaky twitter api
# 17:15 aaronpk how should you report that kind of error to the user? that's hard
# 17:16 snarfed aaronpk: it's already auto-ellipsizing, so it's just a bug
# 17:16 kylewm it's matching the closing ) as part of the URL
# 17:16 snarfed you're already way ahead of me. any interest in tackling it?
# 17:17 aaronpk cause sometimes you do want the ) in th URL like wiki pages
# 17:17 aaronpk and sometimes a URL ends in a . but sometimes the . is the end of a sentence
# 17:17 snarfed in this case at least, we can cheat, since we're generatnig the parens
# 17:17 snarfed thanks kylewm! (and yeah, i'm heading out in a few hrs :P)
# 17:21 snarfed aaronpk: yeah, for other use cases i've generally not included most punctuation at the end of urls
# 17:21 aaronpk but it's technically a valid URL, whereas parens should actually be url-encoded IIRC
# 17:22 kylewm I feel like I see a lot of URLs that end in like %3F. (?)
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# 17:24 snarfed sure, but i'd guess if it's at the end, and there's no query string, it was more likely meant to start the query and not part of the path
# 17:25 aaronpk if it's at the end it's the beginning of the query string
# 17:26 snarfed hence overquoting, if it's a %3F but should have been ?
# 17:26 aaronpk oh I was assuming URLs like for FAQs where the page title includes ?
# 17:27 kylewm snarfed: do you think we should be as clever with the () matching as twitter is?
# 17:27 kylewm or just add special handling for appending a post permalink
# 17:29 snarfed kylewm: you're looking at tweaking webutil.util._LINK_RE ?
# 17:31 snarfed kylewm: sgtm. i'd vote for as simple as possible…probably just never allow paren at the end
# 17:32 snarfed but i defer to you since i think you've worked more on link regexes than me
# 17:32 kylewm haha, well that is not something i am proud of
# 17:33 kylewm ok simple sounds good for this, since the worst case is it would overestimate the number of characters and over truncate
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# 17:35 kylewm damn why am I not surprised CASSIS handles this correct
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# 17:39 aaronpk oh isn't the . something about url encoding in fragments?
# 17:51 kylewm lol at this comment in Cassis "allow one paren pair *** not sure twitter is this smart"
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# 20:33 snarfed PSA for bridgy publish users who use the interactive web form: you'll need to shift-refresh your user page next time
# 20:35 kylewm my favorite part is the regex [!#&-;=?-Z_a-z~]
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# 20:42 aaronpk i prefer my regexes to be a little more explicit, even if that makes them longer
# 20:44 kylewm aaronpk: i'm guessing you also use variable names longer than 2 or 3 characters
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# 21:05 KevinMarks I may need to fork tantek's one to support the new TLDs I am amused by and he disapproves of
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# 21:29 tantek KevinMarks: your newsweek link from last night: "You have reached the limit of 5 free articles a month"
# 21:29 tantek and removing cookies has no impact - interesting
# 21:32 tantek hah "1/21/96 AT 7:00 PM" (that newsweek article)
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# 22:18 andicascadesf Do you guys hide your ip address for security purposes?
# 22:19 andicascadesf I want to make sure I’m protected from space invaders and have been researching this.
# 22:23 kylewm andicascadesf: there are definitely a few people around who use Tor
# 22:24 andicascadesf I just say invaders of our personal space.
# 22:25 andicascadesf I just want to learn better browsing habits to be safer.
# 22:27 andicascadesf @kylewm just downloaded Tor
# 22:27 andicascadesf thank you!
# 22:27 andicascadesf ttyl :-D
# 22:27 GWG Well, they say you should assume that anything you put online is public.
# 22:36 GWG kylewm: I used to use it for inspiration
# 22:37 GWG kylewm: I have been moving in that direction. My original design was very bootstrapy
# 22:42 GWG I haven't gotten to styling yet again
# 22:43 GWG I'm back to structure over style.
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