#indiewebcamp 2015-02-25

2015-02-25 UTC
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@kidehen
@kevinmarks @davewiner @benwerd @t : we should all be able to demonstrate interoperable solutions re., #Web de-silo-fication. #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/570376071645958144)
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tantek
I've observed a change in "like" posting behavior since the Bridgy Publish -> FB got deactivated for likes
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tantek
I'm not liking FB things as much
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tantek
either using my own site, or directly liking public posts on FB
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tantek
since I know it won't be something I can (semi)automatically POSSE
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tantek
huh, a photo of code
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acegiak
oh wait no, I see now
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acegiak
it's not organised chronologically
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GWG
There's a new Pebble?
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GWG
Going to have to check that out.
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snarfed
tantek: re like behavior, i commiserate. i actually saw the opposite when i switched from posse (via bridgy publish) to pesos; i like more now
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tantek
snarfed, makes sense
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tantek
there's already (more) convenient liking UI for PESOSing likes
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tantek
there might be insurmountable advantages in that way, to using PESOS for likes instead of POSSE.
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@acegiak
For what it's worth @benwerd @tantek @davewiner RSS is an important part of my indieweb setup. Whisperfollow is - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/25/8981/
(twitter.com/_/status/570385285923545089)
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tantek
I can see consuming RSS from a reader perspective being more practical / (perhaps even necessary) than publishing it.
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tantek
since not all sites have some form of easily semantically consumable HTML
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tantek
it might help with bootstrapping a reader
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acegiak
I consider RSS important legacy support
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tantek
your reader development/usage is far ahead of any of my own, so I'll take your word for it.
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acegiak
hahaha, my usage is... prolific?
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tantek
I'm still against making publishers do extra work
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tantek
perhaps this is a postel's law kind of thing
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tantek
acegiak: which version of RSS (number / spec URL) do you consider important legacy support?
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tantek
or versions
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tantek
we should at least capture specifics like that
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Loqi
definitely
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acegiak
tantek: I'm literally using wordpresses built in parser so I have no idea?
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tantek
wow - wonder why wp has an RSS parser
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GWG
tantek: There are reasons
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acegiak
tantek: as far as I can tell: the wordpress news display on the dashboard :/
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tantek
acegiak - are there people you follow that *only* publish RSS?
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tantek
s/follow/subscribe to or read
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: acegiak - are there people you subscribe to or read that *only* publish RSS?
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tantek
did Known Pro somehow ship and we didn't hear big news about it?
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tantek
not yet I'm assuming based on https://withknown.com/pro/ ?
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@kevinmarks
@kylewm2 @limedaring it depends so much on the culture of a particular irc channel. Some can be hostile. #indiewebcamp isn't
(twitter.com/_/status/570389059664629760)
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dariusdunlap
IndieAuth.com seems to not handle http -> https very well.
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dariusdunlap
I have to explicitly tell it “https://darius.dunlaps.net to get things to work.
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dariusdunlap
If I just tell it “darius.dunlaps.net”, it fails.
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kylewm
dariusdunlap: but you don't redirect http:// to https:// on your site
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dariusdunlap
hmmm. musta broke it. :-)
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dariusdunlap
hmmm., does for me.
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kylewm
try in a private browser window?
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dariusdunlap
hmmm. ok, it’s not forwarding for firefox.
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dariusdunlap
I’ll have to check my nginx config. I probably screwed something up. Left out a ; or something. Ha ha
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@veganstraightedge
Thinking about #indieweb + HATEOAS. I think if the site root has <link> tag to all the right things, it still works.
(twitter.com/_/status/570390721401729024)
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acegiak
tantek: most of the the people I'm following are tumblr accounts
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@veganstraightedge
#indieweb + HATEOAS: link[rel=webmention] link[rel=indieauth] link[rel=micropub] link[rel=alternate] (rss/atom)
(twitter.com/_/status/570391196570222593)
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acegiak
kylewm: re:women & newbies on irc. I'm having troubel following hte discussion. Is the problem one of the culture, the structure or the interfaces?
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GWG
Maybe Loqi can help
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Loqi
yeah!
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GWG
Could Loqi welcome newbies?
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acegiak
GWG: depends what the problem is
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@limedaring
Do new developers (who have learned how to program in the last year or two) use and feel comfortable with IRC? Especially women?
(twitter.com/_/status/567829946220945408)
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tantek
fascinatingly different treatment of emojis in Twitter vs. FB
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@t
This morning: legs too tired to sprint, did a deck instead. 33 cards of ♣ leglift ♦ sideplank ♥ pushup ♠ ... http://tantek.com/2015/055/t6/morning-legs-tired-did-deck-instead
(twitter.com/_/status/570391550007451648)
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kylewm
acegiak: I think both culture (or expected culture, based on previous experiences or hearing horror storeis) and interface (lots of people saying it was too hard to get started)
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acegiak
kylewm: I feel like this is an extension of the "at some point online chat just got really shitty" conversation we were having
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kylewm
acegiak: good point, definitely
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tantek
is it possible to build online chat UIs that don't "get really shitty" ?
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kylewm
i think i need to try Slack, people seem to like it q.v. /Slack
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ben_thatmustbeme
Slack is nice
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tantek
have heard many nice things
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tantek
a few friends/colleagues work there
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have it set up so this bot does deployments for me from a few commands
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ben_thatmustbeme
hubot won't ever replace you though Loqi
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kylewm
is it nice because it's new and hasn't gotten a chance to get really shitty yet?
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KevinMarks_
slack is nice. It's IRC with UI designed by good people
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tantek
kylewm: that's a good q
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tantek
I mean, same thing was true of Twitter originally
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KevinMarks_
well, it's not globally connected like twitter
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KevinMarks_
it's a (good) silo implementation of the IRC+bots pattern we use
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KevinMarks_
there's a #joiito Slack
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kylewm
also i have SFBayArea goggles where I can't tell if something is actually popular or just popular here :)
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kylewm
IRC seems to have wide global acceptance, maybe even skewing european
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acegiak
I think that IRC actually just needs a really good interface
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KevinMarks_
like aaronpk's one?
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kylewm
or maybe IRCCloud
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GWG
kylewm: I've been trying IRCCloud. Isn't perfect.
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GWG
It is the only thing that goes past some firewalls
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acegiak
IRCCloud looks interesting
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GWG
acegiak: I was trying to find a self-hosted version of that.
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acegiak
GWG: yeah
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GWG
There are some options
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GWG
Weechat and Glowing Bear
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acegiak
I use irssi on my server continually open in a screen and then ssh into it
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GWG
I have ZNC
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GWG
But haven't found a good web interface into it
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acegiak
using irssinotifier to get notifications of highlights
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dariusdunlap
Yay! Fixed my screwd up https redirect…
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dariusdunlap
Now IndieAuth works right
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dariusdunlap
Thanks for the quick checkback, kylewm
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Loqi
woot
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millette
ii turns stdin/out into irc client, whereas websocketd does the same for websockets - voilá, instant chat
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ben_thatmustbeme
ugh, bridgy again
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ben_thatmustbeme
i swear i break it so often :P
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GWG
millette: I still need something that works on my phone
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millette
no websocket on your phone browser?
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tantek
I wonder if I should add code to "auto-style" suit-hearts and suit-diamonds as red
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tantek
since the plain unicode characters for those emoji are black (which makes sense): http://tantek.com/2015/055/t6/morning-legs-tired-did-deck-instead
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tantek
is there a canonical color for suit-hearts or suit-diamonds?
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GWG
millette: I was hoping someone had come up with a web interface that was good already.
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KevinMarks_
I thought there were coloured suit emoji as well
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KevinMarks_
♦️ hm
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KevinMarks_
♦︎♦️
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tantek
KevinMarks right - they're colored when embedded as images or a special webfont from Twitter or FB
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KevinMarks_
this is showing red in charater picker on macOS
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KevinMarks_
though it shows the smae code point
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, try out Quassel, I'm very much liking the set up
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KevinMarks_
U+2665 U+FE0F
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ben_thatmustbeme
has a nice phone interface
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tantek
puts aside the colorizing of unicode characters for now
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GWG
I've read on it.
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tantek
uh oh just realizing I didn't see the FB invitation for tomorrow night's even so I spaced on inviting people
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tantek
kylewm: want to share adminning of https://www.facebook.com/events/1579077165643006 ?
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kylewm
tantek: yes...trying to figure out how...
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kylewm
oh there
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tantek
happy that Bridgy Publish still POSSEs RSVPs to FB
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kylewm
snarfed: hey getting weird u-like-of urls from Bridgy backfeed, e.g. https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/12802152/10101222294987969/434717353347341
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kylewm
piles on the bridgy error reporting
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tantek
ok sent a bunch of FB invitations as well
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tantek
< 24hr notice but hopefully some will still work
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: did you check your app authorization with bridgy for twitter?
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kylewm
24.5 hours if you don't count quiet writing hour :)
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tantek
Kevinmarksweb: can you invite the folks that you were helping with their WordPress setup?
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tantek
e.g. on the FB event
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tantek
kylewm: what do you think of helping co-host the next one (2015-03-11) at The Creamery as you have when I've been away?
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tantek
(rather than Mozilla)
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tantek
thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm, I last updated the auth less than a month ago
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ben_thatmustbeme
both systems are saying it should be fine
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: well it's not the same problem as last time; it's shortening the text correctly
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pdurbin
kylewm: I was just playing with my IRC "connectors" data and added you: http://irc.greptilian.com :)
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KevinMarks
I invited Tracy to HWC
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bret
irc cloud is basically slack, but connects to irc
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@kevinmarks
@kylewm2 @limedaring it depends so much on the culture of a particular irc channel. Some can be hostile. #indiewebcamp isn't
(twitter.com/_/status/570389059664629760)
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kylewm
pdurbin: whoa awesome!
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Loqi
[mention] darius posted 'My new server at Digital Ocean is up and running. Ubuntu 14.04, with Nginx (LEMP stack). Why Move? It had been a while since I had bothe...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com (https://darius.dunlaps.net/2015/02/25/new-servers-update/)
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pdurbin
kylewm: I'm picking up what you're putting down in that Twitter thread
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Loqi
[mention] darius posted 'My new server at Digital Ocean is up and running. Ubuntu 14.04, with Nginx (LEMP stack). Why Move? It had been a while since I had bothe...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting (https://darius.dunlaps.net/2015/02/25/new-servers-update/)
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kylewm
KevinMarks++ good thought inviting her to HWC!
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Loqi
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KevinMarks
Tracy is great - I met her by sitting next to her on the plane to SXSW years ago
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kylewm
getting generally great warm fuzzies from the python community, i saw that thread because pdurbin @-ed OssAnna16 who had reached out to a IRL friend of mine learning python
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kylewm
small world
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bret
a great post by moxie http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/ about why gnupg isnt what we need
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bret
"Eventually I realized that when I receive a GPG encrypted email, it simply means that the email was written by someone who would voluntarily use GPG. I don’t mean someone who cares about privacy, because I think we all care about privacy. There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that it’s a realistic path to
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bret
introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers."
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bret
thanks tjgillies for the link
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tjgillies
bows
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kylewm
that's a serious example of "why UX matters"
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kylewm
if you have bad UX, you only get the type of people who are willing to put up with it
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tantek
kylewm: so true
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tantek
also means that by focusing on better UX in the indieweb, we should be able to get folks adopting it over lesser UX options (no matter how much they pitch their plumbing)
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tjgillies
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 156 karma
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tjgillies
bret: my new indiewebsite: http://blog.tylergillies.club
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bret
nice tjgillies !
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bret
ipfs even
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tjgillies
we all own my website man
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tjgillies
the people's republic of internet
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bret
tjgillies: wanna come to hwc again?
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tjgillies
sure
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bret
http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc rsvp if you want. i wanna hear how ipfs hosting works
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tjgillies
although thats pretty useless because the filename changes everytime the content changes heh
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bret
really?
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tjgillies
yeah
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bret
oh I guess so
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tjgillies
ipfs is content addressable
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bret
someone needs to write a url proxy
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tjgillies
you don't want a proxy though
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tjgillies
the hash is a feature
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tjgillies
that means that links don't break
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bret
proxy to the correct ash
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bret
hash*
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tjgillies
what is "correct"
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bret
usually the latest, but your right, an opinion is being expressed
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tjgillies
i have blog.tylergillies.club point at the latest hash
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tjgillies
i could have feed.tylergillies.club point at the latest rss hash
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bret
hosting staic content is super easy already... i'm interested in the hard stuff to host. movies, music, lots of photos
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tjgillies
those are all static....
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bret
sorry, static html text files
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tjgillies
its the same thing
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bret
semi-static
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bret
tjgillies: storage costs
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bret
or having to deal with youtube
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tjgillies
heh
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bret
haha
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tjgillies
that was at 5am this morning
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tjgillies
when i couldn't sleep
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bret
you dont have to worry about if its taking to much on your server with limited and costly storage
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tjgillies
it works essentially like bit torrent
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bret
right! where every client is also a potential http gateway
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tjgillies
you only storage as much as you view
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tjgillies
unless you're a public gateway
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tjgillies
in the future people will essentially go to localhost/foo/bar instead of a gateway
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tjgillies
only store*
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tjgillies
I think a web model where people serve files locally which are retrieved via a mesh background is inevitable
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bret
i was thinking, writing a js lib that lets you set html attributes to ipfs hashes, and it links those up with a public gateway
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tjgillies
Would be fun to make a web browser that had that baked in
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bret
right this would be a polyfill
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tjgillies
interesting
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tjgillies
woah hwc is tomorrow
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tjgillies
that went quick
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bret
suuuper qucik
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KevinMarks
so indieweb
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tylergillies.club
created /User:Tjgillies (+205) "Created page with "I am hax0r many thing. * http://blog.tylergillies.club * http://tylergillies.club * http://kodumulo.tylergillies.club tjgillies in #pdxtech on freenode I like ruby and javasc...""
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tjgillies
"I am an accidental historian. I graduated from High School with a 1.7 GPA —that's hard to do without shooting up school"
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tjgillies
1.7?
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tjgillies
wow
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tjgillies
"before San Francisco was a tech-bro soup that solved the problem of bro's driving each other everywhere, it was the web"
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tjgillies
jason is so hilarious
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kylewm
any pythonistas have suggestions for porting aaronpk's redis->websockets proxy to python? http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/13/1/realtime-indieweb-comments#websocket-server
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kylewm
getting deep into Tornado and weird async Redis libraries
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kylewm
and feeling like "this can't be right"
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tjgillies
kinda pisses me off that w3schools.com is the first link on "html5"
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kylewm
w3schools--
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Loqi
w3schools has -1 karma
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Loqi
[mention] https://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/02/24/1/indieweb-ux posted '“if you have bad UX, you only get the type of people who are willing to put up with it”' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-24/line/1424837008272
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Loqi
[mention] https://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/02/24/1/indieweb-ux posted '“if you have bad UX, you only get the type of people who are willing to put up with it”' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-24/line/1424837008272
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aaronpk
oh haha
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 9 minutes ago: do you have a way of showing all your replies to a particular URL or parent path? e.g. like this reply https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/02/22/23/w3c
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aaronpk
still not sure why i'm sending double webmentions
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aaronpk
!tell tantek heh no, my site is blissfully unaware of URL hierarchy
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
!tell tantek I try to use tags for things I think people will care about exploring from given a URL
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm
just realized I can use redis-cli to send messages to people using Woodwind
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aaronpk
bahaha
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aaronpk
<3 redis
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aaronpk
should go to bed
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kylewm
publish woodwind_notify '{"user": 1, "entries": ["farts"] }'
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kylewm
just did that to test :)
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aaronpk
didn't realize you were using redis
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kylewm
aaronpk: for the first cut at realtime updates, i literally copy/pasted your redis pubsub to nodejs to websockets code snippet, worked beautifully
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kylewm
trying to do it in pure python3 now
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aaronpk
haha awesome
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aaronpk
i was pleased at how well that worked actually. it was a short path to get from my PHP backend code to realtime browser updates without twisting PHP into a giant knot
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tjgillies
I found an esperanto themed gnu social site
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tjgillies
How do I find this crap
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tjgillies
I just realised that I've been using federated social web for about as I've been using non federated social web
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tjgillies
as long as*
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kylewm_
convos.by is looking like a pretty nice IRC web app, H/T acegiak
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tjgillies_
woo
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tjgillies_
not bad
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tjgillies_
is testing convos
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tjgillies_
kylewm_++
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Loqi
kylewm has 126 karma
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kylewm_
acegiak++ found/recommended it!
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Loqi
acegiak has 14 karma
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tjgillies
like an open source version of irccloud
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tjgillies
interesting
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jjuran
Is there a Homebrew Website Club meetup tomorrow?
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kylewm
what is next-hwc?
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kylewm
weaksauce Loqi. jjuran yes there is, at mozilla
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Loqi
who, me?
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kylewm
ah, good call on /events, that needs updating
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kylewm.com
edited /Events () "(-623) /* Upcoming */ update HWC's"
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pfefferle
good morning
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pdurbin
pfefferle: mornin'
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GWG
Good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme
felt like joining the chorus of good mornings
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gRegor`
Good morning^5
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kylewm
oh my gosh, , my FB "See Original" links are being changed by the API
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kylewm
it changes /2015/ to some random id
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kylewm
"link": "https://kylewm.com/10101343067483791/02/can-t-believe-i-ve-never-seen-this-before-carl-sagan"
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kylewm
lol, yeah that is the app-scoped user id for the facebook user with id=2015
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barnabywalters
kylewm: WOW that’s messed up
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gRegor`
ugh, facebook
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gRegor`
facebook--
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Loqi
facebook has -9 karma
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kylewm
aaronpk's shortlinks still work, e.g. "link": "http://aaron.pk/n4_p1"
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barnabywalters
any idea what this behaviour is trying to achieve?
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gRegor`
really bad regex? :)
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barnabywalters
it would not be surprising
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kylewm
i think it's literally that
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gRegor`
I'd be pretty surprised it made it into production honestly
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gRegor`
But I guess it did. ::shrug::
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kylewm
the other actions are like facebook.com/user-id/something
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gRegor`
When will facebook give us a "close account and permanently redirect my profile" option?
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kylewm
"see original" is not official api by any means :p
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ben_thatmustbeme
having a pretty interesting discussion on #social with rhiaro. I feel like it could be in here, #microformats, or #social :)
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme here is fine too, but I fear I might get shouted down for vaguely speculating about things without implementation back ups ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, fair enough
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dariusdunlap
Good Morning!
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@gRegorLove
I want a Facebook option to close my account *and* permanently redirect my profile to another URL. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/570621839573012480)
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ben_thatmustbeme
good mroning again all
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ben_thatmustbeme
now that its afternoon here ;P
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aaronpk
kylewm: lol that's hilarious
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gRegor`
Meant to ask yesterday: What is HATEOAS? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-24#t1424826720700
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Loqi
woot!
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gRegor`
Haha
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@fraying
I actually lose respect for designers when they talk about how great the PDX carpet is. Ugly is ugly, people. http://99percentinvisible.prx.org/2015/02/24/154-pdx-carpet/
(twitter.com/_/status/570405152743497728)
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aaronpk
haha there's a 99% invisible episode about that?!
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Loqi
tantek: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 59 minutes ago: heh no, my site is blissfully unaware of URL hierarchy
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tantek
and HATEOAS is a horrible abbreviation :(
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Loqi
tantek: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 58 minutes ago: I try to use tags for things I think people will care about exploring from given a URL
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tantek
aaronpk - you had that URL search for posts that link to (URL)
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tantek
wondering if that includes links to that (URL) or deeper paths
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aaronpk
ah, no just that URL specifically
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tantek
aaronpk - I thought e.g. a search for a domain showed all links to any path in that domain
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tantek
so that was my question. does the "any URL that starts with" aspect of that work only for domains? or any URL?
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aaronpk
just for the domain
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tantek
because it would be cool if it was for any URL - use-case, you could see all your votes that link to the User Stories page
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tantek
regardless of frag
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kylewm
description of HATEOAS reads like utopian self-documenting API that never actually works, is it not that?
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gRegor`
Hah
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gRegor`
I really don't know. My eyes started to glaze over, so I went back to poking around /Slack
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gRegor`
I'm really liking it so far.
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aaronpk
yeah they got a lot of things right!
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tantek
how does one start a Slack? do we want to experiment with one for IndieWeb?
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gRegor`
Seems to have decent export options, too. JSON files per-channel, per-day
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gRegor`
tantek: You sign up at slack.com using your email and "Company Name", then after you get the confirmation email you select the subdomain on slack.com
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gRegor`
You can then enable auto-signups based on email domain. Otherwise I think you have to manually invite people, which would be the case for indieweb.
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gRegor`
I don't know if there's a "public" option
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tantek
no IndieAuth option? ;)
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aaronpk
schemes a clever email/indieauth hack
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gRegor`
Hah, @indieauth.com aliases? :)
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tantek
oh yes! domain.name@indieauth.com
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aaronpk
aaronparecki.com@indiewebcamp.com after signing up on the irc-people page
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tantek
jinx :D
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tantek
aaronpk's is better :)
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aaronpk
just registered on Slack
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tantek
sweet
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aaronpk
so if you go to https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/signup it prompts you to enter your @indiewebcamp.com email address
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aaronpk
presumably you'll get an email with a link to create your account
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michielbdejong
aaronpk: which email address wil that go to?
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aaronpk
i'm thinking
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gRegor`
Wait, so I have gregorlove.com@indiewebcamp.com? Where does that email go/how?
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aaronpk
if I make a separate signup page on indiewebcamp.com, you'd log in with indieauth and then you could enter a forwarding email
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gRegor`
Gotcha
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gRegor`
I thought for a second you meant this was working now.
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aaronpk
alternately I could create an "inbox" you'd see after logging in, but I don't really wanat to store emails for everyone
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gRegor`
I was going to be super impressed with your hacking skillz
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michielbdejong
forward to a rel=me?
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aaronpk
yeah I could lok for a rel-me mailto link for starters
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aaronpk
ugh i'd rather not make people poke around mediawiki settings, this is supposed to make it easier for people remember?
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gRegor`
rel-me with fallback to MediaWiki account's email maybe
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gRegor`
Sure, but rather than building a separate form for it. I don't plan to publish my email on my site.
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aaronpk
i need to make a special page or at least a special login page in order to trigger creating the forwrading rule anyway
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gRegor`
Slack could be cool for the user-friendliness of it, but it also means conversation split up between here and there.
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aaronpk
yeah I don't want to require ppl publish their emails for sure
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aaronpk
the vast majority of wiki accounts do not have an email address set
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gRegor`
Oh, I'm sure
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gRegor`
Separate form makes sense, given the forwarding rule setup
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aaronpk
heh I could pipe all freenode conversation into the Slack room
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aaronpk
and vice versa actually
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gRegor`
There's settings for Slackbot to do simple responses to prompts, like Loqi
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Loqi
who, me?
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kylewm.com
edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+379) "/* See Original */ add warning about links that start with a number being changed to an app-scoped ID"
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aaronpk
okay, so... I can bridge freenode and slack so people can join either one and be part of the same conversation
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kylewm
aaronpk: you can invite people even if they dont have a @indiewebcamp.com email right?
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aaronpk
signing up for the Slack room would involve logging in with indieauth
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aaronpk
or they'd have to be added by an admin
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aaronpk
kylewm: yeah I can send invites to people at any email address, but there is no way in the Slack UI for people to request access
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gRegor`
Oh nice, didn't realize there were IRC and XMPP gateways.
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aaronpk
lol yeah you can connect with an IRC client too, just to make things weird
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kylewm
I wonder if Loqi would still work via the IRC gateway
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aaronpk
i have an attempt at making Loqi join Slack, but there are some hiccups
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kylewm
has anybody joined the wp.org slack? https://make.wordpress.org/chat/#join
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kylewm
it has login to the site as a first step
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aaronpk
lol "you have not logged in since 2011 when we reset everyone's passwords"
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aaronpk
wow they replaced IRC with slack!
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Loqi
[aaronpk] Hello from Slack!
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aaronpk
i told you!
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gRegor`
aaronpk++ for hacker skillz
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Loqi
aaronpk has 716 karma
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gRegor`
Slack + Loqi = Sloqi?
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aaronpk
let's see if this works
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tantek
so Loqi is the proxy from Slack? interesting
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aaronpk
and Loqi is trying to get IRC messages into slack now too
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tantek
hey Loqi, could you send this to Slack for me?
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Loqi
[slackbot] test
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aaronpk
oops haha
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aaronpk
oh this is gonna be good
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tantek
what is slackbot?
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aaronpk
waves to Slack
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Loqi
[aaronpk] that works surprisingly well
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aaronpk
I need some way to indicate the message is from Slack besides []
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tantek
does Slack have URLs to channels itself?
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tantek
does it have URLs to people in its channels?
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aaronpk
it looks like yes
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aaronpk
they are long though
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tantek
perhaps we need a slack shortenr :P
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aaronpk
okay this should work both ways now
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] freenode people look like bots in Slack, but it works
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] Loqi stop echoing back into Slack
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aaronpk
ooookay that is pretty fun
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aaronpk
alright who wants to try this first
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aaronpk
really?
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ben_thatmustbeme
what are you doing now?
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aaronpk
it's ugly but works
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] wow, that was very impressive onboarding, aaronpk!!
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] awesome!
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] I can make it a little prettier later!
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] is that a one-time email forwarding rule?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] it's permanent :confused:
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aaronpk
ha! I typed :/
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] it works though
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] omg i'm amazed that irc users have their avatar in slack
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] :smile: Thanks to the /irc-people page
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tantek
aside: an example of an email to blog PESOS that I just happened upon (via Wikipedia no less) on my site: http://tantek.com/log/2004/06.html#d29t1850
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GWG
We're doing Slack now?
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] its just a test case, but its an interesting one certainly
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Loqi
[slack/caseorganic] Greetings, humans.
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] greetings
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] anyone not used slack before?
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] :slack: slack has lots of nice styling :simple_smile:
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] and actually rooms can subscribe to rss
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] wonders how this looks in irc
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] Hai guys
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] well it looks like everyone figured out the signup flow pretty well!
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] indeed
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GWG
I haven't yet
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, woah, just realized this is in the IRC too
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aaronpk
yup that's the whole point! so we don't split the conversation between two places!
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aaronpk
I think Loqi will still show wiki edits in Slack too
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Loqi
grins profusely
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] umm... i think i broke it
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GWG
How do I get indiewebcamp.com emails?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] <@U03QU365N>: what'd you do?
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aaronpk
oh crap
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ben_thatmustbeme
changed rooms
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Loqi
lolz
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] aaronpk++ for Slack integration
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Loqi
[slack/caseorganic] Loqi: hi
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] hmm slackbot is asking me for personal information
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Loqi
[slack/caseorganic] hellos
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] oh yeah slackbot does that after a while
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Loqi
[slack/caseorganic] gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] slackbot: a/s/l?
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] lol, it now thinks my full name is "Kyle o_O"
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] I typed "go" to skip the Skype prompt, but it's supposed to be "no" Haha
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] Didn't find my photo :confused:
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] good, commands aren't relayed over
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] from within slack you can subscribe a room to a rss feed
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] which may not be wanted in here
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] what is HATEOAS? <http://meme.loqi.me/4_rfn0JQ.jpg>
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] aaronpk, can is turn that off? the /feed stuff that is
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] what is tanteking
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GWG
Still nothing
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is tanteking
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Loqi
Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] oh hm all the Loqi commands won't match from Slack because of the prefix they get in IRC
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] yeah, i figured as much
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tantek
and because Loqi doesn't respond to Loqi right?
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] aaronpk: is it possible to programmatically send people an invitation to their email address? instead of having to set up forwarding for @indiewebcamp.com?
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ben_thatmustbeme
this also makes the IRC look really messy
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] I tried a Loqi query and wondered why it didn't show up in IRC. Then realized I was in my work's Slack tab. :simple_smile:
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aaronpk
Loqi only sometimes responds to Loqi
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Loqi
[slack/caseorganic] Gif playback is SLOW
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tantek
wonders how this looks in our logs.
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] kylewm: what do you mean send an invitation?
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] GIF seems normal here
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aaronpk
if everyone uses the same nick as in IRC, I can pretty up the logs
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] I thought you said as an admin you could add people without them necessarily having the same email domain?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] kylewm: oh yeah but I'd rather not be a bottleneck for people joining
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] aaronpk: I mean, 1. they log in via indieauth, 2. it prompts for an email address, 3. programmatically send an invitation to that email address (instead of giving a link to signup via <mailto:domain@indiewebcamp.com|domain@indiewebcamp.com>)
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] dislikes the look of this all
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] I don't think there's an API method to send invites
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tantek
hmm looks like logs could show <imageURL> inline
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GWG
Aaronpk, it doesn't want to send me an email
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] ahh ok, wondering how <http://wordpress.org|wordpress.org> does it
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aaronpk
GWG: check your spam folder?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] I didn't go through the wordpress signup because I never got my <http://wordpress.org|wordpress.org> password reset email
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GWG
I have
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tantek
alright let's see how much JS Slack needs
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aaronpk
all of it
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tantek
nah it doesn't need google-analytics :P
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tantek
what the heck is # general?
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gRegor`
The default room Slack sets up
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] it's the main channel slack auto-creates for new accounts
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] i can rename it to #indiewebcamp or something
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gRegor`
They can be renamed
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GWG
Oh well
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gRegor`
jinx
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tantek
why does the bot use the webhook logo?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] what bot?
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tantek
check the top of the scrollback in slack
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tantek
e.g. right after you said test
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] oh because that was my test messages using the webhook integration!
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] oh neat!
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] generic icon on slack by default?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] yeah
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] did everyone re-upload their logo jpgs?
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] oh wow, <http://Wordpress.org|Wordpress.org> does the same thing sets up a forwarding email from <mailto:kylewm@chat.wordpress.org|kylewm@chat.wordpress.org> to my email address
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] I had to upload mine, tantek
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] kylewm: lol well then!
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] good guess on your part :simple_smile:
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tantek
what is Slack?
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Loqi
Slack is a closed-source team communication tool similar to IRC https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack
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tantek
^^^ aaronpk - perhaps capture a sentence or two about setup there?
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gregorlove.com
edited /Slack (+59) "slackbot"
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] ooh IRC color codes look ugly in Slack
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gRegor`
actions show "ACTION" too
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gRegor`
Er, I thought they did.
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] What happens when I sign in via iOS app?
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Transparent it seems. No idea where I'm typing / sending from
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gRegor`
Maybe only Loqi's actions, then.
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] And no need for a second nickname
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Unlike irc
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bret
or irc cloud
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Limitation of irc protocols likely
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] so... this is super nice right?
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tantek
hmm - photo from Twitter took a while - seemed busted for a bit
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] and now all my icons changed from the default to the new photo
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] so it doesn't keep old icons then
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] tried to log in to slack via irc settings
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Loqi
[slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] i can't get in because of the '.' in my name
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] Slack is super nice, yes. Not sure about the [slack/username] in the IRC room
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Seems fine both ways
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] i'm guessing there are no public logs?
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Web slack client is slower than irc client, eg especially scrolling
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] Mostly because I'm used to seeing the person's name first, so now I'm seeing all these Loqi messages.
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Scrollback. Not sure what all their JS is doing.
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Gregor I agree. Perhaps our logs can make it prettier.
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] hehe, just logged in to slack server via IRC anyway :P
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] Logs, probably. Chatzilla, probably not.
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] this should confuse things, now i get a notification of a message when i speak in either room
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ben_thatmustbeme
this is messy
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] waves to snarfed
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ben_thatmustbeme
closes slack
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Loqi
[slack/snarfed] waves back
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] Hey snarfed!
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jonnybarnes
theres now a slack channel?
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ben_thatmustbeme
johnnybarnes yes... its... weird
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gRegor`
So what's the use-case for Slack for IWC? For those who want a nicer UI?
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jonnybarnes
i would guess so
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tantek
gRegor`: perhaps broadening reach to those who have been put-off by IRC or IRC-isms or IRC default behaviors?
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Loqi
[slack/gregorlove] jonybarnes: Indeed there is! <http://slack.indiewebcamp.com>
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jonnybarnes
it mostly seems to be used for gifs as best I can tell :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
except this makes IRC worse for those of us that do use it
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tantek
it's not that bad
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Loqi
[slack/snarfed] ooh. preferences =&gt; advanced options =&gt; "When typing code with ```, ENTER should not send the message."
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] hmm, did this stop working?
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aaronpk
lol at html escaping oops
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] its cleaner for me to use IRC -&gt; slack servers than to talk in the regular #indiewebcamp now though
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Slack (+263) "add info about signing up for the slack room"
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gRegor`
tantek: Agreed. I wonder if Slack is part of the discussion @limedaring is having about IRC, that kylewm commented on yesterday.
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ben_thatmustbeme
don't get me wrong, i use slack for work
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ben_thatmustbeme
so what does slack get us over just web chat?
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tantek
inline gifs :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
considering you have to be able to use indieauth to get in to slack?
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] woah I didn't know slack could sync this seemlessly with irc
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ben_thatmustbeme
web chat can be made to do that
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tantek
until aaronpk adds auto-embedding of .gif .jpg .png URLs
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tantek
in our web logs
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] ben_thatmustbeme: it's not called IRC
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] that's what it has over web chat
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tantek
aside: the cassis auto_link function can do that auto-embedding for you
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tantek
including youtube videos
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gRegor`
Heh, yep.
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ben_thatmustbeme
but you are saying it will persuade more people to join chat?
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gRegor`
Even "web chat" might have some connotations to people, from ye olden days
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] yes because of the negative connotations of IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme
but they have to already have indieauth set up
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gRegor`
"Oh, people making dumb jokes in an AOL room"
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aaronpk
btw I can change the [slack/aaronpk] thing in IRC i just need some parsable prefix so those messages don't get sent back to slack :P
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] oh god, how do I turn off Firefox’s web notifications?
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ben_thatmustbeme
you can do it just for slack
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ben_thatmustbeme
in your settings
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ben_thatmustbeme
within slack
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tantek
ok dang that slack iOS notification is loud.
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gRegor`
Preferences from the bototm left.
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tantek
off it goes.
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aaronpk
the wordpress.org page had some good tips for configuring slack to not be super noisy
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] excellent, thanks guys
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] just noticed in slack, all the irc account are bots
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] this is probably the best way for me
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] I assume its all just one bot
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] ignore freenode/irc and join slack via IRC
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] i cannot see who is in the room anymore though
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tantek
lol red unread count on top of slack icon
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Loqi
[slack/ben_thatmustbeme] as most people are in irc
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tantek
off that goes as well as the sounds
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Neat, the flow got me straight into the slack app
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] so, resetting the password isn't too hard
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Wish slack would sync my photo across instances
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tantek
or let me use a URL for a photo
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gRegor`
Haha. Ben pinged me and it came as a DM on Slack
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] So irc people get faces and Slack ones don't. Indieweb wins again
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gRegor`
I think someone said their photo auto populated in Slack. Mine didn't though
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gRegor`
The slack I set up for work did use my gravatar by default.
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tantek
we need to make consumption of indieweb icons more obvious
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tantek
e.g. that should be a "How to" on /icon
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tantek
hmm - iconship or icon discovery?
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ben_thatmustbeme
just leaves slack room via IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme
so i can join other room in slack
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tantek
I suppose the question could be phrased in different ways
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tantek
e.g. given a domain name, what icon should be displayed for it?
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tantek
or given a URL, what icon should be displayed for it?
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tantek
or more specifically, given a URL (or just domain name), what icon should be displayed for its author?
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ben_thatmustbeme
missed part of that conversation
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] right, IWC set up in my slack app
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tantek
there there ben_thatmustbeme, it's in the logs :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
not what i was frowning to exactly
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tantek
the goal here is to attempt to frame the (icon) question in such a way that sites like Slack feel motivated to implement it
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tantek
preferably instead of gravatar
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ben_thatmustbeme
needs to figure out getting his IRC client to convert <Loqi> [slack/<nick>] to <nick>
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tantek
but *before* gravatar would be ok too
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Loqi
woot!
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ben_thatmustbeme
don't know that it would be too easy
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ben_thatmustbeme
slack already uses gravatar i believe
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KartikPrabhu
so many slackers here ;)
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Medium is now gaming twitter by sending photos of highlighted text <https://medium.com/the-story/text-shots-3f82f2536cc>
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rhiaro
I was talked into joining slack recently, I only did so on the condition I could connect with my IRC client. I guess if messages are being cross posted here, it would be silly of me to join the indieweb slack channel too..
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro, its actually really annoying to join both. if you do, every message you type in slack will highlight your name here
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rhiaro
right, I'll steer clear of that then!
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ben_thatmustbeme
i realized that immediately
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rhiaro
Slack does *look* nice and my only problem with IRC is that I can't connect to my IRC server with a web client. But a couple of my friends are working on one, so I'm holding out
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] There is a Chrome app I use that connects to multiple irc servers
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Loqi
[slack/snarfed] huh. in slack, if you hover over a user in the user list, there's an X button
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Loqi
[slack/snarfed] wonder what that does
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Loqi
[slack/snarfed] just hides them i guess
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gRegor`
Who here is likely to continue using Slack for IWC, either directly or connecting via IRC?
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ben_thatmustbeme
snarfed, it does, thats just direct messages
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tantek
I noticed that the Slack web UI has a way to "star" individual utterances
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Looks like I can't change my avatar in the slack android client
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gRegor`
tantek: Yep, and you can access your stars via the three dot menu at the top right.
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] There's not a lot of reason to connect to this slack room via IRC
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gRegor`
I'm trying that out as a todo list with my work Slack
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tantek
but are they public?
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gRegor`
No
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Loqi
[slack/snarfed] parallels indie liking an irc log line
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gRegor`
aaronpk: Other than avoiding the "Loqi: [slack/username]" like ben_thatmustbeme mentioned
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tantek
perhaps a good reason to put a little (heart) icon in our logs inside <indie-action do="like"> ?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think we are better off building something outside of another closed system
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] It's a star, not a heart - implies "save" more than "like"
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gRegor`
I think tantek is referring to /irc/logs
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] ben_thatmustbeme: agree that we're better off buidling outside of a silo, but it's good to check out the competish
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] the oembed thing it did with the article Kevinmarks posted above is super nice, would be really nice to have a similar thing for links to h-entry
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KevinMarks_
It's a good example of /link-preview
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Can we get wiki links to work in slack?
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tantek
oh like have the proxying convert /like to https://indiewebcamp.com/like ?
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tantek
when it goes from IRC to Slack?
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aaronpk
that's doable
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Cool
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] Slack has slash commands like irc
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] I assume Slack is using oembed to show the preview?
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KevinMarks_
I think they have custom preview code, not sure it's just oembed
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tantek
again, how should we write-up /link-preview such that a consuming application / site like Slack is motivated to support it?
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gRegor`
Slack is caching images from those previews, too.
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tantek
theoretically it should be *easier* / less work than consuming / displaying oembed
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tantek
and frankly work on far more sites
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tantek
far more URLs have h-entry / hentry than oembed
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gRegor`
What is oembed?
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tantek
oembed is /OEmbed
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loqi.me
created /oembed (+19) "prompted by gRegor` https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-25/line/1424898670061 and dfn added by tantek"
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gRegor`
What is oembed?
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gRegor`
Heh
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gRegor`
What is OEmbed?
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tantek
could've sworn we had a page on this
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tantek
including some back/forth debate
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tantek
e.g. I think maybe cweiske was an oembed fan?
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tantek
can't seem to find it by searching
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gRegor`
/link-preview links to oembed.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /Twitter (+21) "/* Embedding Tweets */ linky, clarify embed markup"
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KevinMarks_
Building the preview service described in /link-preview may be the way
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tantek.com
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] I love that slack has a good mobile app
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] Never found a decent mobile irc app
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aaronpk
testing converstion of wiki pages like /link-preview
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Loqi
[slack/jonnybarnes] so thats a link in slack, but not irc
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aaronpk
yeah I couldn't do it in IRC unless I could modify the IRC server
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aaronpk
which sounds like a potentially fun project
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aaronpk
but not very practical
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rascul
or client
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rascul
irssi plugin or something
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aaronpk
that'd only work for people who had the plugins, assuming you're using a client that even has plugins
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rascul
better option than modifying the server though i think, at least in this specific context
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tantek.com
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rascul
since it wouldn't be able to link up to freenode, and that might not be beneficial to the longevity of this channel
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tantek.com
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rascul
not sure how much being on freenode helps this specific channel though
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
I am pretty pleased that I was able to get people's profile photos from IRC into Slack
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tantek
rascul all the ident services and channel admin etc. is tied to Freenode AFAIK
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dariusdunlap
Hey, are any of you SF folks into the band ALO?
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tantek
aaronpk++ that is pretty awesome
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Loqi
aaronpk has 717 karma
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tantek
points dariusdunlap towards #indiechat ;)
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rascul
tantek indeed, but irc services are not freenode specific
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rascul
i meant as far as popularity though
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tantek
for sure, Freenode has a lot of momentum in open source
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tantek
and open standards
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tantek
it's pretty much the default
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tantek
when someone names an IRC channel the expectation is "on Freenode"
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gRegor`
aaronpk: My profile photo didn't come through to slack automatically.
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tantek
gRegor`: you didn't use the same nick
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aaronpk
gRegor`: look at slack. yes it did :)
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gRegor`
Oh, different nick
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gRegor`
I uploaded mine
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aaronpk
no I mean the IRC messages in Slack have your photo without you doing anything
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gRegor`
No they didn't. I uploaded that.
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gRegor`
It's because I chose a idfferent nick than on irc-people
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aaronpk
no... literally the things you're typing now have your photo that it got from /irc-people
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gRegor`
Ohh
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tantek
yeah that's cool
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Loqi
[slack/tantek] hah - auto-linking of /irc-people in Slack already implemented by aaronpk!
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loqi.me
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loqi.me
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] yay not ugly wiki edit lines now
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tantek
what is email?
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Loqi
Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport https://indiewebcamp.com/email
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tantek
and it's not POSSE?
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Loqi
[slack/kevinmarks] It's a paid piece
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tantek.com
edited /email (+487) "PESOS example"
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dariusdunlap
Very cool Slack integration, aaronpk!
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] thanks!
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tantek
aaronpk, this appears to only show one of your votes on User Stories: http://aaronparecki.com/links-to/www.w3.org
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tantek
kylewm: did you ever get the questions about consuming PuSH vs. using Superfeedr resolved? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-21#t1424546517415
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tantek
topic for tonight HWC?
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tantek
what is next-hwc?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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jjuran
Nice.
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ben_thatmustbeme
ew, okay yeah, definitely need to log back in to slack now
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ben_thatmustbeme
and turn off it e-mailing me on mentions
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Loqi
[slack/peterwilsoncc] nice work on slack <@U03QR2B3P>
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Loqi
[slack/peterwilsoncc] Oops, wrong version of the username.
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow that comes out ugly on IRC
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] Tantek: yes I did make a decision about Superfeedr and got help from Julien to get my feed working. I definitely want to talk about it tonight
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aaronpk
<@U03QR2B3P> is Slack's user ID for {{aaronpk}}
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aaronpk
oh, <> not valid in page names
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tantek
what is unfurling
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tantek
unfurling is what /Slack calls /link-preview
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loqi.me
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tantek
huh, those / refs didn't turn in to [[ ]]
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tantek.com
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] these mockups look a hell of a lot like that Twitter/Facebook convergence graphic <https://medium.com/inside/blogging-on-medium-95f1546bcd7d>
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] lol yes they do
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colintedford
snarfed, you have a separate page (or pages) for replies & other "noisy" content that you post, right?
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aaronpk
yes, and I do too
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colintedford
What are you calling that? (doing something similar & haven't found a good page name)
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colintedford
Thank, Loqi :P
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Loqi
grins profusely
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acegiak
anyone done a comparison between slack and convos?
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aaronpk
I have multiple separate pages
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acegiak
I think I'm probably unlikely to switch from irssi but I want to know what to recommend to people that I'm trying to lure in
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colintedford
aaronpk, OK, I see, looking at your page. "Replies" is what I was curious about. Thanks!
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colintedford
snarfed doesn't link to his; I know it's come up before but can't find it.
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] acegiak: I tried out convos last night, it was a nice ui, slow to switch between tabs and still essentially has all the complexity of IRC
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] colintedford: it's the archives page on <http://snarfed.org|snarfed.org>, the icon looks like a little calendar
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snarfed
yup what kylewm said
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acegiak
kylewm: how does slack reduce that complexity?
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Loqi
[slack/aaronpk] acegiak: you should try it!
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colintedford
thanks, snarfed
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acegiak
aaronpk: maybe. signing up for those sorts of services feels a bit icky to me?
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aaronpk
http://slack.indiewebcamp.com <-- I made it pretty easy :)
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snarfed
colintedford: the umbrella term has been debated btw responses and interactions for a while. http://indiewebcamp.com/interactions#Alternatives
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] acegiak: slack has no /msg NickServ identify &lt;password&gt;, for one... :simple_smile:
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] acegiak: you also get a lot of the features of having an IRC bouncer (logs, seamless transition between desktop and mobile) without setting up ZNC
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Loqi
[slack/kylewm] (or weechat or quassel or irssi)
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aaronpk
hmm, would "kylewm@slack" look better?
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aaronpk
I could drop the brackets that way too
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aaronpk
kylewm@slack: even
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colintedford
snarfed: Oh, yeah, I remember that. I'm using "discussion" to cover my comments on other sites plus things like the occasional github issue.
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colintedford
But the name's kinda long. (also, planned to include incoming comments eventually but prolly want to have separate pages for that, too)
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colintedford
Gotta ponder more, I guess.
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Loqi
[slack/pwcc] aaronpk yeah, a little bit easier to read too.
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kylewm
ha, :simple_smile:
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Loqi
aaronpk@slack: k let's see how that looks
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@HongPong
are you guys doing #indiewebcamp at MIT in March? I think i will go to that thing @withknown @benwerd @erinjo
(twitter.com/_/status/570734525338284032)
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Loqi
kevinmarks@slack: Slack uses irc/name so slack/name could work
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Loqi
aaronpk@slack: that's what it was (with brackets)
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Loqi
aaronpk@slack: I can also change the name that shows up here to be kylewm/irc instead of irc/kylewm