#indiewebcamp 2015-03-01

2015-03-01 UTC
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@rubygems indieauth (0.0.1): Ruby implementation of Indieauth https://rubygems.org/gems/indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/571856124007342080)
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aaronpk oh?
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@achorism 20150228 제2회 IndieWeb Meetup http://achor.net/board/diary/1599 제2회 IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Meetup에 참석하였습니 ... https://twitter.com/achorism/status/571857255043239936/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/571857255043239936)
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@rubygems homesteading_indieauth (0.0.1): A Rails Engine that builds on top of the Indieauth gem. https://rubygems.org/gems/homesteading_indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/571893512582668289)
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pwcc Hello IWC. Are you here GWG?
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pwcc !tell GWG got your message about a project once I have time. Should be good with time once I hit the 23rd. Will be quietly freaking out about http://www.webdirections.org/respond15/ until then :/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@rhotog Test driving @owncloud. Slick piece of open source, syncs multiple folders with much larger files sizes than Drop/Box #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/571899933004980224)
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GWG I am here now
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Loqi GWG: pwcc left you a message 27 minutes ago: got your message about a project once I have time. Should be good with time once I hit the 23rd. Will be quietly freaking out about http://www.webdirections.org/respond15/ until then :/
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pwcc GWG thought I must have missed your evening.
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GWG pwcc: No. I stepped away. It's 12:44AM here
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pwcc So east coast, correct?
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GWG pwcc: I was thinking of spinning off an add-on to webmentions and semantic linkbacks for extra security measures. You were working on one such measure.
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GWG pwcc: Correct
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GWG NYC
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pwcc Y, interested in that. I was working on rolling tokens for endpoints.
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GWG And I had created a domain whitelist.
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GWG I was thinking about building a plugin, "Security Extras for Webmentions" or something like that.
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GWG People build security plugins all the time.
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GWG Roll the features in like a utility pack
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pwcc Y, happy to help out. Perhapes a different name - suggests without it the plugins may be insecure.
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pwcc But an intereseting project, webmentions for the paranoid.
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GWG pwcc: More like Jetpack for Indieweb. The little extra modules
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pwcc GWG: y, that's good.
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GWG That's a bit too...specific.
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GWG Extras might be the right word.
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GWG Maybe not Security Extras.
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GWG They are little bits of optional code to extend the plumbing.
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pwcc Ah, yes, the concept - not as a name. I think a few Automatticans could have views about Jetpack for... lol
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GWG I understand both snarfed and pfefferle wanting to keep the protocol based plugins just that
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GWG It makes sense for them to 'just work'.
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pwcc Y, that does make sense. less config too
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pwcc Anyway, I gotta head off - about to have guests arrive. But yes, would love to help out on the project.
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GWG goes to work on name.
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@martinlindner RT @Tastenspieler: Die totale Wikifizierung des Unterrichts https://ipadkas.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/die-totale-wikifizierung-des-unterrichts/ (Bildung ist #Indieweb.) (twitter.com/_/status/571931012424474624)
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@younect RT @martinlindner: RT @Tastenspieler: Die totale Wikifizierung des Unterrichts https://ipadkas.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/die-totale-wikifizierung-des-unterrichts/ (Bildung ist #Indieweb.) (twitter.com/_/status/571957793999220736)
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frzn Hey guys. I don know what to do. Facebook is killing Brazil. Indiewebcamp could be the solution for this, but nobody wants to listen.
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hmans frzn, killing Brasil?
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frzn hmans: destroying, if you prefer.
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hmans frzn, how so?
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frzn hmans: manipulating the newsfeed algorithms and what people consumes.
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hmans frzn, aren't they doing that in every other country, too?
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frzn In a recent past, most of the content in facebook was positive with a lot of shares. Now, only rage content is getting highlight.
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frzn it seems very obvious to the ones that are there since always. The problem is that facebook became ubiquous in Brazil, so the mood in facebook is the mood of Brazil.
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frzn and they can control our mood now.
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frzn hmans: I believe so. But there is not that much countries of the size of Brazil using it as the main social network.
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frzn we are really close to a civil war
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hmans Indieweb can be a solution, but it needs to become easier to take part in.
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hmans Which is a bit of a paradox, considering it is fueled by very simple ideas and protocols.
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frzn hmans: exactly. Now it is very hackish
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hmans But I feel there is a tendency to overcomplicate things where added complexity doesn't also add value.
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frzn hmans: true
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hmans *speeds up Pants development*
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hmans :-P
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frzn it's so sad :(
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frzn a new (and brazilian) social network could change everything for brazil
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frzn we are dumping billion of dollars straight to the US pockets using their apps
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frzn *billions
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hmans Any platform that requires monetization to keep its servers running will eventually exploit its users.
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hmans (or charge them, but, well, you know.)
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hmans Get people to pay for their own server resources -- then connect them through the most simple protocols you can find.
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hmans Maybe 10 years from now we can feasibly run server applications on our mobile phones?
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hmans That would be nice. hmans.io pointing at my mobile phone, not some virtual server in a data center that I've never been to.
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frzn hmans: yeah, for sure. I'm looking for things like this: https://projectmeshnet.org/
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frzn it already can make an android phone part of the meshnet
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frzn I dont know what, but we (brazilians) have to do something.
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hmans The important thing to note is, building an alternative to the big, commercial silos isn't the problem. It's been done. Multiple times. What needs to happen is that users need to be taught what they can gain by giving up just a little bit of convenience.
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hmans Convenience is that keeps the Facebooks and Twitters alive.
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hmans that/what.
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hmans You can build the greatest, most secure, most decentralized thingamajig, and people still won't use it if it's less convenient than the silos.
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frzn hmans: Yeah, I know this.
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frzn but in the meantime that we rest thinking about it, another social network comes and overthrow the past one.
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frzn with even worst intentions. That happened at least 4 times in Brazil until we get into facebook/whatsapp.
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/blips/exporting-wordpress-to-a-grav-friendly-markdown-yaml-format/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/blips/wordpress-cleanup-markdown-import-twitter-import-facebook/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/blips/wordpress-cleanup-markdown-import-twitter-import-facebook/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (pingback)
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@kirilind RT @derhess: The UBOS project is a great answer of the #indieweb community for #raspberrypi user http://ubos.net/ (also for #IoT app… (twitter.com/_/status/572023411163189248)
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frzn hmans: I'm thinking about to go to Uruguay and start this social network there.
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frzn (anti) social network :)
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pdurbin frzn: you might enjoy this: http://www.radiolab.org/story/trust-engineers/
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frzn pdurbin: looks interesting. thanks dude
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pdurbin sure. I thought it was
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GWG !tell acegiak The new version of Post Kinds is out
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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michielbdejong frzn: what do you mean by 'killing Brazil'?
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frzn michielbdejong: the country is stopping. Everybody is fighting in facebook all day as we wait for 2 opposite big riots. Since the time of the discussion of facebook been able to manipulate what people see in their feed, far right movements started to have a voice. Before that, always the jokes and better options from the people of the left became viral, helping Brazil to evolve a lot. But now facebook's creating a fight mood in Brazil.
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frzn but you know, been in the internet of brazil for 15 years, this is not normal.
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frzn is quite a change of behavior.
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frzn even if it is because of what people are feeling, this is a national security matter and well-intent social network could be of good help to solve problems and avoid a a civil war.
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pdurbin maybe Brazil should stop looking at Facebook
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frzn pdurbin: for sure. But this is impossible. We are the people that spend more time in social networks :/
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pdurbin :/
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GWG Please save me from humanity. It is driving me crazy today.
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@awoods thinking about #indieweb development. would it be better to create a new CMS to implement the principles of indieweb? or extend existing? (twitter.com/_/status/572142832309256192)
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@awoods one thing i'm unclear about #indieweb - how do you follow the various type of content on a single site? e.g. photos + tweets, no blog posts (twitter.com/_/status/572144485825585152)
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@t @mnot @bcrypt always keep your independence close to heart & mind. ABC: Always be creating on/for your #indieweb site. (ttk.me t4_v2) (twitter.com/_/status/572174041072599041)
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tantek good afternoon #Indiewebcamp
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tantek wow what's this about Brazil civil war?
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tantek GWG, what or who is driving you crazy in particular?
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Loqi slack/pwcc: G'day tantek. I was trying to work out the Brazil issue too. If it were the API, I could understand.
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tantek pwcc, sounded like perhaps FB's algorithms were (disproportionately) amplifying their far right's "crazy" much more than they would usually get coverage e.g. in the press?
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Loqi slack/pwcc: Y, looked something odd like that. I've found it very easy to trigger an avalanche on a particular topic.
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Loqi slack/pwcc: Parenting blogs after clicking a single link, that sort of thing.
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Loqi slack/pwcc: tantek: have you got a moment for a quick microformats question? The markup in my pattern library is giving author credit to the 1st commenter <http://tinyurl.com/qhzx8b6>
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tantek pwcc looking
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Loqi slack/pwcc: Does author markup need to be within the h-entry or can it be elsewhere in the page?
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tantek pwcc you have no entry authorship information anywhere on the page
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tantek you only have authorship for the comments
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tantek if there's a library giving author credit to 1st commenter, it's a bug in the library
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tantek which library is giving author credit to the 1st commenter?