#indiewebcamp 2015-03-09

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KartikPrabhu GWG: even with my sort-of-hardline view on RSS, I like your post
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I remember what Mayor Giuliani said before he went nuts that I agreed with.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: I also sent a like webmention to the effect
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GWG KartikPrabhu: The...you are either with us or against us philosophy is what I object to.
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KartikPrabhu yes. that is also my beef with Dave Winer's posts on this topic
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KartikPrabhu I am glad people are taking a more moderate stance on this even though I am not
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GWG You can criticize and prefer an alternate method without rejecting the use of the format by others, or supporting it.
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GWG I don't like AIM, but I keep my account up because 5 people I know still insist on using it
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GWG Of course, I use Bitlbee to make it look like IRC to me, but...
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Either way, the stakes are different for me as opposed to you.
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GWG You have to make a decision to support RSS. I'd have to make a decision to not support it
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KartikPrabhu yes. and having that choice might be a good thing.
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KartikPrabhu someone should criticise RSS
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GWG I think we did in the wiki
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GWG But we criticize everything in the wiki
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GWG I criticize WordPress in the wiki, and I like WordPress
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KartikPrabhu which is good
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GWG However, I'm not blind
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GWG I want XMLRPC to die and be replaced by JSON REST, but I recognize the community philosophy is that XMLRPC continues for backward compatibility for the foreseeable future, and I understand that.
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KartikPrabhu jumping from XMLRPC to JSON does not do anything IMO. FWIW, HTML has stood the test of time better than any of these ephemeral fashion-formats
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I want XMLRPC gone because I hate the implementation. JSON REST is what the community decided they would implement as a better replacement.
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GWG I will agree with you that simpler works better
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pdurbin GWG: I like your "live and let live" attitude
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GWG pdurbin: I feel strongly about a lot of things.
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GWG But if I went off and didn't work with others because I didn't like their views...where would that put me?
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pdurbin It sounds like Dave Winer is waiting for alternatives to RSS to become popular before he supports them.
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GWG I don't think of h-feed as an alternative per se
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GWG It's the sae file you were serving
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@wallabagapp RT @reimersjan: the journey continues... hello @wallabagapp, goodbye Pocket. hello @ownCloud News, goodbye feedly. #ownYourData (twitter.com/_/status/574742260497145856)
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tyler.cat edited /User:Tjgillies (+19) (view diff)
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tjgillies Is there a list of indiewebsites somewhere?
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GWG What sort of list?
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KartikPrabhu what is irc-people?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/IRC_People
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KartikPrabhu tjgillies: there ^
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tjgillies thanks
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tjgillies GWG: just a list of sites that I can check out that are indie-enabled
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GWG Oh
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tyler.cat edited /IRC_People (-14) (view diff)
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tyler.cat edited /IRC_People (+2) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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aaronpk aw man apparently @indiewebcat never signed up for bridgy instagram
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aaronpk silly kitty
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aaronpk at least it's finding a bunch of old ones now that it's connected!
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acegiak does the video in this post work for people?
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acegiak http://acegiak.net/2015/03/09/9339/
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aaronpk yes
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acegiak hmm ok
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acegiak not displayung on my phone
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acegiak wondering if i should keep the default wordpress shortcode to fancy js player or just do minimal html5 tags
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tantek nice session proposal aaronpk! http://opensourcebridge.org/proposals/1593
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Loqi tantek: willnorris left you a message on 3/7 at 11:44pm: could you update the HTML spec link under http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_an_e-_property ? It should be https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html#serialising-html-fragments
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Loqi tantek: elf-pavlik left you a message on 3/8 at 3:55am: https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg%2F2015-03-10&diff=82722&oldid=82720 (Loqi not on #social)
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tantek and nice blog post GWG! https://david.shanske.com/2015/03/08/indieweb-and-rss/
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tantek !tell elf-pavlik should I add a follow-up agenda item about the problem of when people spend more time emailing about the social web rather than building it on their own personal sites?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks @mathowie come to the #indieweb side (twitter.com/_/status/574824875988140033)
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@tylergillies RT @kevinmarks: @mathowie come to the #indieweb side (twitter.com/_/status/574825212207722496)
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tantek It's amazing how slow, unfriendly, fragile, and network inefficient all silo posting user interfaces are.
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tantek E.g. Instagram takes so many steps to post a video, and then crashes before I can add a caption.
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tjgillies tantek: stop using instagram? ;)
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aaronpk wow too bad
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aaronpk instagram is one of the better ones too, since at least it handles offline posting relatively wel
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tjgillies im about to get rid of my last silo as I transition to quitter
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tjgillies twitter is still good for DMs though
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tjgillies thats pretty much my email-lite
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tantek tjgillies: you'll find that lots of folks here use Instagram as a posting user interface, for photos and video.
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tantek because others are worse, and it's hard to build one yourself
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tjgillies does known do video?
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tjgillies i got [yet] another one setup: http://tyler.cat
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tjgillies i'll have to hack an html5 video plugin together
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tantek tjgillies: I know Known/idno had challenges with video
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tjgillies <video src="video.file">?
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pfefferle good morning
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aaronpk good morning
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tjgillies aaronpk: late night?
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tjgillies its like 3am
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aaronpk don't remind me
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aaronpk time for a nap
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aaronpk then i'm gonna sleep at the dentist's office :P
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elf-pavlik good morning IndieWeb :)
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Loqi elf-pavlik: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 9 minutes ago: should I add a follow-up agenda item about the problem of when people spend more time emailing about the social web rather than building it on their own personal sites?
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@andkjaer 7 Visual Ideas That Will Increase Your Social Engagement >> http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/?p=78357&utm_content=buffer3c365&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Marcus Ho. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/574871600262217728)
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@bookprescom 7 Visual Ideas That Will Increase Your Social Engagement >> http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/?p=78357&utm_content=buffera0d2d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Marcus Ho. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/574872404339617793)
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek please check your messages on #social (W3C), otherwise Henry may have problems with reaching you http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-03-08/line/1425835447131
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, bit unforunate that Loqi didn't watch #social exactly when Henry complained that he can't get feedbac from you and tantek, I would suggest that if you choose not to participate in mailing list discussions to try have your IRC async communication always up and running!
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@dissolve333 @AttendDotCom Interested in indieweb RSVP support? IndieWebCamp is next week. https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge (btmb.me s/7v) (twitter.com/_/status/574894926544011264)
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@dissolve333 @NetPartyBoston We'd love your input on creating distributed social networking https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge (btmb.me s/7w) (twitter.com/_/status/574901542572064769)
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GWG Good morning
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GWG pfefferle: Probably should be asking in here, not in Indiechat.
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GWG !tell pfefferle As a secondary measure, you could also add a check to disable the comment text filter if it is a reply.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle GWG sorry, was off for lunch
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Loqi pfefferle: GWG left you a message 39 minutes ago: As a secondary measure, you could also add a check to disable the comment text filter if it is a reply.
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pfefferle GWG that is true but it doesn’t fix the problem. I would like to remove the comment-type so that the reply will be displayed correctly also if the plugin is disabled…
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pfefferle GWG to be kind of ”žbackwards“ compatible
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pfefferle but you are right, I should also disable the filter by type
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pfefferle GWG it is less error-prone (is this a word?)
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pfefferle_ GWG have you seen the webmention filter in the comment section btw?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, you should add yourself as a co-organizer for IWC Cambridge, since you seem to be taking the lead on all the streaming
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kylewm !tell aaronpk the "prev" link on https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-09 goes back two days to 2015-03-07... daylight savings time edge case? :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme don't want to know what happens with fall edge case then
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ben_thatmustbeme prev links back to itself?
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell GWG you were asking who has a link rel=me in the head, I have one for an internal page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club () "(-1185) cleaning up venue dupe labels, note quietish writing hour for SF, cleanout some comments for this meetup, possible topics: IWC Cambridge 2015 is next week!" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks The question is not if Apple sees your medical data, but if you can get it yourself as well as the experimenters. #AppleEvent #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/574984449324023808)
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@sirmlivesey @zebrared This is the thing I was on about, https://indieauth.com/ Like OpenID but without the heavy backend programming. (twitter.com/_/status/574985025344704512)
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kylewm snarfed: nice the shoutout from adactio!
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snarfed kylewm: thx!
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kylewm s/nice the/nice
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: snarfed: nice shoutout from adactio!
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kylewm q.v. https://adactio.com/journal/8500
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snarfed kylewm++ for adding search to activitystreams-unofficial!
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snarfed will review soon :P
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Loqi kylewm has 132 karma
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kylewm thanks! no rush, curious if you'll be ok with my url design /@me/@search/@app?search_query=...
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell GWG, I do have a tripod if needed
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, so i'm looking at proper mf2 markup of a chat log
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ben_thatmustbeme the author stuff will be fine, but its somewhat interesting to deal with markup of a new message that should be appended to the log
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm going to use in-reply-to set at the url of the h-feed
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ben_thatmustbeme so the h-feed is really the representation of the chat itself
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: apologies in advance for the no-look review... my main q is whether the opensocial API (which it's based on) supported search. if so i'd want to consider that
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Loqi slack/snarfed: otherwise I bet yours is great!
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Loqi slack/snarfed: ben_thatmustbeme I assume you looked at the web irc logs?
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: yeah, its just a set of h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme not groups into a feed
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KevinMarks how does that compare to what aaronpk does, ben?
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tjgillies anyone know a place that does free email hosting for your domain?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: What sort of tripod?
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Loqi GWG: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 1 hour, 45 minutes ago: you were asking who has a link rel=me in the head, I have one for an internal page
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Loqi GWG: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 12 minutes ago: do have a tripod if needed
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not very familiar with "types" of tripods, its a camera tripod that a photographer co-worker uses
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ben_thatmustbeme also GWG you should add yourself as a co-organizer since you seem to be dealing with all the web presence stuff
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I will. I'm doing it sort of adhoc.
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks, snarfed: what is really strange is the markup of a single message that isn't (yet) part of the chat logs, and how to markup what chat it is a message to
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ben_thatmustbeme thats why i'm doing h-feed with u-url and the message with u-in-reply-to that is the h-feed url
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GWG I should still have access to the Indiewebcamp account from last time if we need Google. Otherwise, I need to get with bear on a talky test
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ben_thatmustbeme the reason being that i'm testing a logging endpoint similar to micropub
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Loqi +1
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KevinMarks I suppose that makes more sense than in reply to the last message
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ben_thatmustbeme so it sends the in-reply-to so i know what chat to store it as a log of
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KevinMarks you may want an in-reply-to override for actual direct replies
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not going to look at the threaded conversation case at this moment
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KevinMarks thinking about the twitter precedent here where time ordering was never quite right and explict
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KevinMarks not saying do it now, but be aware of that as a useful enhancement in the thinking
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Re relme, I've determined the only instance I've seen in the wild is Jihaisse and his Indieauth Links plugin for WordPress. Can't find any others.
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ben_thatmustbeme i use it, but not for indieauth
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ben_thatmustbeme i thought i had seen it elsewhere though
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks, right now i'm thinking only in the chat or direct messaging model, not in threaded messaging like posts
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ben_thatmustbeme i think we have that covered pretty well
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GWG So, I can't find a compelling reason to do it.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG: future proof
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GWG I suppose. Also some things don't want a visual element.
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: what i haven't figured out is exactly how to markup actions
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ben_thatmustbeme looks to IWC IRC logs
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GWG It is also bringing me back to the issue of an expanded hcard
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, it just drops it
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GWG At one point, I considered the idea that a link to an expanded hcard should be a u-card
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, question is. what should the rel= be for some new logging endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme rel=logger ... rel=logs
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ben_thatmustbeme so many options
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ben_thatmustbeme Hmm it's not for logs in general though I suppose you could use it for that. The author would just be the software/machine
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KevinMarks_ Site death du jour http://recode.net/2015/03/09/facebook-shuts-down-friendfeed/
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elf-pavlik anyone using web components?
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kylewm what is indie-config?
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Loqi indie-config is a method of using protocol handlers and postmessage to setup your indie website to both notify the browser that it can handle webactions and then do so https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config
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kylewm elf-pavlik: I believe indie-action/indie-config uses them^
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elf-pavlik do you know if anyone uses them with microformats? i just noticed article showing how to use them with JSON-LD http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/03/creating-semantic-sites-with-web-components-and-jsonld
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kylewm no, not that I have seen
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Loqi [bridgy] Brian Bishop RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge (https://www.facebook.com/437461433068146#10200200261966255)
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aaronparecki.com edited /token-endpoint (+20) "/* Self-Encoded Tokens */ clarify" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /token-endpoint (-14) "/* Self-Encoded Tokens */ clarify" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu elf-pavlik: what would web components have to do with microformats?
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elf-pavlik in JSON-LD article they reuse same data in more then one component
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KartikPrabhu or even JSON LD unless you re building your DOM using Javascript
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KartikPrabhu oh well, I guess I don't like the build DOM from JS thing
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elf-pavlik more and more people do, especially for websites which work more as app than online magazine
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KartikPrabhu <shrug>?
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KartikPrabhu if one really really wanted you could transmit the mf2 parsed object as a JSON thingie and then build you DOM from that
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KartikPrabhu but really why would you
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elf-pavlik have you looked at http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/03/creating-semantic-sites-with-web-components-and-jsonld ?
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elf-pavlik fkooman, https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany
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gRegor` Loqi, any messages?
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Loqi grins profusely
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Yay for HWC this week?
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yes. Much more free this week
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gRegor` Cool cool
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KartikPrabhu elf-pavlik: yes. I have seen that article
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club (+26) "/* RSVP */ Chicago" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik KartikPrabhu, it reuses same data in two web components + this data also gets indexed by search engines
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KartikPrabhu I would just do it on server-side is what I'm saying
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elf-pavlik render map + markers?
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KartikPrabhu never dealt with maps but I am sure that can be done
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KartikPrabhu in any case, you can transmit mf2 as a JSON object and do the same things
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elf-pavlik i asked if anyone does something like that
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fkooman elf-pavlik: done :)
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elf-pavlik also mf2 JSON object doesn't get indexed by search enines, some people care about that
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elf-pavlik fkooman++
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Loqi fkooman has 2 karma
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fkooman fkooman--
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Loqi You can't karma yourself!
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elf-pavlik Loqi--
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Loqi Loqi has 340 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme need to add my logging endpoint to the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe i'll wait until i have write working as well as read
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ben_thatmustbeme well, in theory it works, just haven't had any test of it yet
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ben_thatmustbeme what is logstore?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "logstore" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=logstore&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-09%2Fline%2F1425936106862
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ben_thatmustbeme logstore is an endpoint for storing and retrieving logs under testing by ben.thatmustbe.me
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loqi.me created /logstore (+117) "prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-09/line/1425936106862 and dfn added by ben_thatmustbeme" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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gRegor` What kind of logs, ben_thatmustbeme?
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ben_thatmustbeme currently chatroom / direct messages
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ben_thatmustbeme but it would work exactly the same for system logs
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ben_thatmustbeme application logs
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ben_thatmustbeme etc
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gRegor` Ah, interesting
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ben_thatmustbeme your 'author' would just be that application / system
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ben_thatmustbeme and you just define a feed url that is really just the name of the room/file but i think i might play with that as a uid instead
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ben_thatmustbeme to make more sense
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: I hope you will consider this logo https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/log.png
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ben_thatmustbeme Haha. It's better than bad, it's good
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ben_thatmustbeme Actually I was thinking something of a square with multiple circles in it. Like logs piled up
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kylewm yeah that's probably better :p
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snarfed google used lots of logging industry terms for its internal log processing stuff
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snarfed sawzall, sawmill, etc
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snarfed like how i hoped to use ag terms for indieweb terms, based on "silo"
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snarfed granary
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snarfed etc
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ben_thatmustbeme Well honestly of it came to actually logging servers I would just use logstash. Though would be actually pretty interesting to have an output plugin to store your logs after processing to logstore
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ben_thatmustbeme I want to get chats to basically not care what pipe it uses, irc/slack/etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme And then do the same for direct messages
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kylewm wow, I don't think I ever made that connection with http://logging.apache.org/chainsaw/
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ben_thatmustbeme Figure that's the first step to replacing hangouts
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ben_thatmustbeme Has anyone tried Firefox hello yet?
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm keenly interested ("nice to meet you keenly")
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ben_thatmustbeme Karma for whoever gets that quote
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ben_thatmustbeme s/quote/reference
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: Karma for whoever gets that reference
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snarfed kylewm: current status: dumspter diving through the linked specs here to see if there's any related work to your search api: https://github.com/OpenSocial/spec#user-content-opensocial-251
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snarfed (only because the rest is the opensocial api)
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snarfed not going to try too hard :P
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snarfed looks like http://www.opensearch.org/ is the high level answer, but it's not clear if/how that integrates with the opensocial api itself. and even if it does, it's probably way too heavyweight for us
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snarfed bbi20
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snarfed (i started to read http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/1.1#OpenSearch_URL_template_syntax , but glazed when it defined a grammar on barely the second page :/ )
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kylewm BNF--
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Loqi BNF has -1 karma
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kylewm snarfed: it seems like ?q= is pretty common, (in the world and in this document)
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tantek.com edited /wikifying (+96) "expanded itches guidance just a bit to encourage broader thinking of what "online" may mean, include personal digital devices when offline - another challenge for owning your data, and a step for things to get to your indieweb site" (view diff)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm yup
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Loqi slack/snarfed: and notably Google
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Loqi slack/snarfed: I'll leaning toward note those specs in related work section, then ignore them :p
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kylewm sgtm
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Loqi slack/snarfed: btw, funny, WordPress is actually ?s=
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+768) "add an explicit itches section, based on experience 2015-065..067 camping off the grid with very minimal digital device usage" (view diff)
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snarfed so kylewm the use case for search in a-u is woodwind? (and maybe eventually monocle etc?)
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kylewm yep -- i wanted to see twitter?q=indieweb in there
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snarfed cool
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kylewm also possible #catsofinstagram
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kylewm :)
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kylewm I was looking at the Twitter streaming API, kind of surprised it's literally a streaming HTTP connection, and not like a pub/sub thing
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snarfed kylewm: yeah it's unusual in that sense, but kind of entrenched now
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snarfed ooh also #gamergate natch
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snarfed heh, speaking of games, kylewm i stalked your stackoverflow profile(s) a while back and saw you asked a question about ico!
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kylewm hahaha
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snarfed ico and sotc are two of my favorite games ever. so good
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snarfed i'll buy a ps4 just for last guardian if it ever comes out
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snarfed (sorry all, indiechat bait i guess)
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kylewm amazing games, I played them for the first time relatively recently. can't imagine playing them at the time they came out... would've blown my mind
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snarfed i worked on a 3d engine at lucasarts way back in 2001, and i remember comparing how western 3d game art tried so hard to be "correct" and looked sterile, while japanese developers just cheated and hacked and pixel painted everything and got great unique results like ico/sotc
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pdurbin those lucasarts games were great. indy, etc.
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snarfed yup. i just finished the grim fandango remaster. such a classicv
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snarfed ok kylewm the search commit lgtm. i'll add a few minor notes and todos but nothing big. thank you!
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kylewm coolio, thanks for reviewing!
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kylewm and sorry for saying coolio
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snarfed lol
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pdurbin :)
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pwcc Hello IWC.
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GWG Hi, pw
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GWG pwcc:
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pwcc Spent the weekend setting up my new theme. Trying to figure out how best to display likes/reposts.
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GWG Oh?
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pwcc Whether to keep them in the comment flow or take the approach tantek takes of "3 likes"
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pwcc Probably keep them in comment flow first off so I get the thing ready by next Sunday.
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GWG Happen on Sunday what?
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pwcc Want to relaunch with the new theme on Sunday 15th of March.
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GWG Just because?
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GWG Self imposed or external goal?
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pwcc Bit of both - self imposed because I want to get it going in time for a talk on the 20th.
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GWG Oh
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GWG pwcc: If you have anything in your theme I can also add the mf2_s, tell me. I've been working on that on and off
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pwcc Seems silly to have a default theme...
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pwcc I'll get what I have on to a test server,
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acegiak pwcc: oh hey there!
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acegiak you're the mysterious other australian!
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GWG acegiak: And WordPress user
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acegiak neato!
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pwcc acegiak: Hi, didn't realise there where two of us.
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acegiak Yup! More if you count a couple of other adelaidians I'm slowly pulling in
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GWG I didn't know Australia was that small. It looks much bigger on the map.
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acegiak GWG: population ~20mil?
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acegiak not big
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GWG acegiak: I was kidding.
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acegiak I know
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GWG I'm aware that Australia is bigger than the population of my building.
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acegiak There's a joke in adelaide that when you meet someone new you work out what other adelaide people you both already know
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GWG acegiak: They have that in my religion.
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GWG They call it Jewish Geography.
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pwcc GWG: Adelaide on the other hand is slightly smaller than the average NY apartment block :)
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GWG pwcc: I'm not in the heart of the city though. Density is less here.
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acegiak pwcc: what hosting are you using for your wordpress?
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KevinMarks hm, re: https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#itches noterlive does #2, kinda
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KevinMarks would need to add timestamps and loc
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pwcc acegiak: Media Temple's smallest DV server - $50/month.
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pwcc acegiak: solid middle of the road but I don't want to be a sysadmin.
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acegiak yeah, I'm a bad sysadmin of my home server that's serving acegiak.net and my company's website
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GWG acegiak: What company is that?
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acegiak machinespirit.net
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acegiak I really need to make that website look less awful
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pwcc We all think that from about two weeks after any website is launched :)
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loqi.me created /three_processes_that_all_applications_need (+161) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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GWG pwcc: By the way, anything you are thinking for the Indieweb Fun Pack?