#indiewebcamp 2015-03-08

2015-03-08 UTC
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tjgillies aaronpk: http://imgur.com/kuP5EWy
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david.shanske.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+149) "/* Plugins */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Post_Kinds_Plugin (+59) "/* Indieweb Taxonomy */" (view diff)
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GWG I'm trying to figure out if consolidation is a good or bad thing in plugins
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Tilley Has anyone here tried to install Known on a hostgator site?
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pdurbin Tilley: sounds like you're having some trouble
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Tilley Yeah. I'm really, really new to this.
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Tilley I did figure out how to git clone Known to my host, but when I tried to go through the setup I got a 404 error after setting up the mySQL database.
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/2011/07/an-introduction-to-ward-cunninghams-smallest-federated-wiki/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/2011/10/wiki-worksession-with-ward-cunningham-on-thursday-oct-13-2011-at-pie/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (webmention)
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GWG 2011 is making a comeback...
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk well my osbridge proposal is up! http://opensourcebridge.org/proposals/1593
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GWG Sorry I'll miss it. I'll have to come to Portland someday. I've heard good things about the carpet.
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tjgillies aaronpk: whats the approval process. is there a democratic vote or do the organizers decide?
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tjgillies also, you should get OSB site to do indie auth
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tjgillies they could get rid of all the buttons on http://opensourcebridge.org/sign_in while still supporting all the things
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tjgillies would force people to own a domain, but I see that as a feature
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tjgillies ;)
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tjgillies just realised another thing i like about indieauth
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tjgillies even if you use multiple auth methods, you can still map them back to one identity
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tjgillies which isn't possible if you support say twitter and github auth separately
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snarfed officially launched https://snarfed.org/2015-03-07_huffduff-video . thanks again for the inspiration, bret!
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Loqi snarfed: bret left you a message 10 hours, 9 minutes ago: I'm loving your yt-dl gateway! ty for putting that together freestyle podcasts ftw
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Loqi [mention] Shawn commented 'First-blush impressions of Known 4 min read So, I'm trying ...' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://freyheim.withknown.com/2015/first-blush-impressions-of-known)
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willnorris !tell tantek could you update the HTML spec link under http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_an_e-_property ? It should be https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html#serialising-html-fragments
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tjgillies woo just hacked my known instance to support sms indieauth heh
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aaronpk tjgillies: i think the organizers decide, but with input/influence from the stars people give to the proposals
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@kevinmarks “As soon as you want to connect two things you need some basis for synchronisation.” @jobsworth http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2015/03/08/on-being-not-alone-some-sunday-morning-thoughts/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/574522452216143874)
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek, FYI https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg%2F2015-03-10&diff=82722&oldid=82720 (Loqi not on #social)
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Loqi elf-pavlik: bret left you a message 2 days, 10 hours ago: yeah, definitely have to be selective about what goes into form encoding. the benefit is that form-encoding and multipart are supported by html browser forms today right now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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elf-pavlik bret, see form we use in http://directory.open-steps.org/ (click Add/Edit your profile) it has a lot of nesting
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elf-pavlik if we want to submit it piece by piece we need to use javascrip any how, so why not to just send json then?
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@bupk_es @schnarfed not sure if my webmention got through so will say "Thanks!" here too :) (twitter.com/_/status/574550490932977664)
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snarfed huh. aaronpk, do you mean for your site's rel-feed link to point to /replies? that seems odd
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snarfed barnabywalters++ for https://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/ btw
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Loqi barnabywalters has 78 karma
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GWG Good morning, all. I hate Daylight Saving Time. That is all.
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pdurbin Tilley: any more detail on the 404?
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kylewm snarfed: is huffduff-video running on EC2?
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah that was a weird hack to get bridgy to find my replies
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snarfed kylewm: yup! youtube-dl needs ffmpeg or avconv (both binaries) to transcode, and google compute engine doesn't have free quota but ec2 does
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snarfed plus i'd never used it for anything meaningful, which is embarrassing
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kylewm ah interesting
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snarfed aaronpk: it was funny. i saw the browser "subscribe" button on your site just now, clicked it, and it went to your /replies instead of myr eader
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snarfed more importantly, great post by aaronpk on his personal reader UX: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/03/05/2/designing-an-indieweb-reader
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snarfed my own follow-up: https://snarfed.org/2015-03-08_designing-an-indieweb-reader-based-on-how-i-read-social-media-aaron-parecki
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snarfed and a more philosophical earlier post: https://snarfed.org/2013-05-31_fighting-information-overload-and-beyond
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kylewm snarfed: do twitter-activitystreams/-atom have support for search queries already? that might be a fun thing for me to add if not
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snarfed kylewm: interesting! no they don't. sounds like a good project!
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snarfed esp if you were to then add it to woodwind
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snarfed i *think* twitter might export rss feeds for searches itself?
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snarfed it did in the past
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snarfed maybe based on auth-less v1 api
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kylewm read my mind, re: woodwind
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snarfed love it: https://twitter.com/nelson/status/574596290798977024
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@nelson You know how tweets can have embedded images that are > 140 bytes long? What if tweets could have embedded text, too? (twitter.com/_/status/574596290798977024)
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@Eliservescent @kevinmarks @t @benwerd @erinjo I noticed the Content Finds You frame too. Will be interesting to see the filters up close. But #indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/574632187984674817)
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@kevinmarks @Eliservescent @t @benwerd @erinjo well, so far #thegrid looks like a silo, but it could integrate #indieweb markup and principles (twitter.com/_/status/574632584161820673)
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GWG snarfed: I've sent an email to WordPress Weekly about some interesting comments they made this week. Have you ever heard of John James Jacoby?
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snarfed GWG: sorry, no, i don't really follow the wordpress community
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snarfed but i hope they call him J3
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pdurbin :)
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GWG snarfed: No, JJJ
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GWG snarfed: The reason I ask is what he said indicates he may be a candidate for engagement
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GWG Who uses <link rel="me"> as opposed to a hyperlink?
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Garbee GWG, In the body or head?
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GWG head
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GWG In the body, I'd use a <a href>
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@reimersjan the journey continues... hello @wallabagapp, goodbye Pocket. hello @ownCloud News, goodbye feedly. #ownYourData (twitter.com/_/status/574680438146465792)
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Garbee hmm, not sure what you'd gain by having a <link> in the head as well. But entirely doable with no ill effects.
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GWG Garbee: Not as well. In lieu of.
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Garbee ah. As long as a scraper is built to look for that it should be good.
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GWG Garbee: I'm building a plugin. Trying to figure out where people want it
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Garbee Not sure how many would support that kind of element placement though. iirc most scrape for stuff within the body that I have seen.
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GWG Garbee: Indieauth supports it
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Garbee Yea, then I'd support both.
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GWG Garbee: I have to think about the best way to do that in plugin form
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GWG Indiewebcamp assumes a single person web page. WordPress assumes multi-author.
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Garbee What exactly does the plugin do?
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Garbee oh, WP plugin for helping display stuff
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GWG Marking up and displaying, yes
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@ASPWired #ASPWired #Scripts Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html #eossipov #Hosting4skagit.com (twitter.com/_/status/574688314822955008)
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Loqi [mention] https://david.shanske.com/2015/03/08/indieweb-and-rss/ commented 'This article from last March popped into my feed again. And Dave Winer keeps popping up on this issue since, usually saying the same things....' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feeds
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@dshanske Indieweb and RSS - https://david.shanske.com/2015/03/08/indieweb-and-rss/ (twitter.com/_/status/574703151376396288)
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GWG Waiting for the inevitable commentary from Mr. Winer.
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snarfed oh god
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@ASPWired #ASPWired #Scripts Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html #eossipov #Hosting4skagit.com (twitter.com/_/status/574706683894693888)
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kylewm too quiet around here for you, GWG?
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GWG kylewm: Yes.
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GWG But that's not why I wrote it
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GWG I'm tired of that popping up over and over again
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kylewm where is it popping up?
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kylewm I haven't seen that particular post in a while
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GWG In here, right now.
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GWG But, I meant to do it two weeks ago when he was commenting on it again.
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kylewm i just want to ask him what he would like us to do with RSS
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GWG I'm not giving it up
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GWG I'm also not giving my gasoline powered automobile, though I'd like to
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kylewm "use RSS" "ok done, what now?"
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GWG Stop eventually
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pdurbin GWG: you say "Who is stopping you, sir?" but I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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GWG From using RSS
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pdurbin oh
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KartikPrabhu what is this RSS discussion?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this RSS discussion" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=this+RSS+discussion&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-08%2Fline%2F1425859068930
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KartikPrabhu thanks Loqi!
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Loqi you're welcome