#indiewebcamp 2015-03-11

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@bblfish people who sermon others about tools they use and then use proprietary ones like Slack http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-10/line/1426031901768 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575446311798894592)
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kylewm well this is weird
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KartikPrabhu1 \nick KartikPrabhu
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tantek lol I'm not using slack, I'm using open source Colloquy
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tantek lol I'm not using slack, I'm using open source Colloquy
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek weird IRC hiccup
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tantek my client shows I posted "lol I'm not using slack, I'm using open source Colloquy" at 17:04
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tantek thanks kylewm for cluing in bblfish about freenode irc vs. slack
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tantek https://twitter.com/kylewm2/status/575447189855449088
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@kylewm2 @bblfish not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with Slack, but those are freenode IRC logs (twitter.com/_/status/575447189855449088)
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indie-visitor ah it takes forever to find out what channels tantek who has nothing to learn from any one chats on
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indie-visitor because sir tantek is of course all knowning
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bblfish hi, mister
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bblfish sir
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bblfish so following getting on a W3C working group and then trashing procedures is kind of a cool thing to do?
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bblfish because we're all suppose to know on which channel you speak
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bblfish and of course the fact that the whole IETF and the Web were built on consensus channels like e-mail, not because everyone loves it, but because it helps come to an understanding, all that is beyond sir Tantek
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KartikPrabhu should this go to #social or something?
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bblfish I'll just point people here to https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/19
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bblfish no according to Tantek there are no channels just blogs
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bblfish ah leaves like a weasel
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kylewm yeah I agree with KartikPrabhu, this is very off topic and inappropriate personal attacks for this channel/community
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bblfish kylewm: the backhand attacks were above by Tantek, strutting around on an irc channel
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KevinMarks__ Henry, if you're here looking for help with hosting your own website, welcome
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bblfish I have my own web site KevinMarks__
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bblfish http://bblfish.net/
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bblfish there are links there to how you can actually make the social web work
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KevinMarks__ Ooh, did you fix it?
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bblfish we solved quite a few problems yes
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bblfish but you would not know I suppose because hey, you close your ears to anything that questions your assumptions
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KevinMarks__ Still dead links on the blogs though
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bblfish seems like you get lost in details KevinMarks__
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KevinMarks__ You said you're going to rebuild your blog on your new code stack. That was 5 years ago
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KevinMarks__ I thought you might be here to see what has been built by this group since then
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bblfish yes, it's been a long road working out all the little issues along the way
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acegiak I thought you weren't getting lost in the details?
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bblfish for example we did come up with some major specs like LDP http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page
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bblfish and a number of specs like WebID http://webid.info/spec/
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bblfish and implementations in Scala
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bblfish https://github.com/read-write-web/wiki/wiki
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acegiak looks boring :S
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bblfish yes, well that's why I don't usually bother with this channel
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kylewm bblfish: people here respond better to running implementations rather than documents and code
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kylewm i.e. what have you build with LDP and WebID, i'm eager to learn
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bblfish there are in fact 10 implementations of LDP https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html
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bblfish at least
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bblfish well to learn you have to come over to our channels
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bblfish ;-)
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bblfish I suggest reading a bit on the wiki there
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acegiak what is ldp?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ldp" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ldp&summary=prompted+by+acegiak+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-10%2Fline%2F1426033472915
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acegiak bblfish: give us the elevator description?
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KartikPrabhu iirc sandro did some stuff with Linked Data at IWC-NYC last year
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bblfish see my talk at Scala eXchange https://skillsmatter.com/skillscasts/5960-building-a-secure-distributed-social-web-using-scala-scala-js
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kylewm bblfish: I'm genuinely not saying you don't have running code; just trying to explain why people aren't responding well to loong specs without any idea what practical purpose it's serving
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acegiak bblfish: is it scala only?
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bblfish ok, I think that video at Scala eXchange should help
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KevinMarks_ Is this what rhiaro is building on?
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kylewm video requires log in
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bblfish no, I just implement in Scala
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bblfish I think Sandro has an implementation in Go
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acegiak cool
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bblfish the report above shows a lot of the other implementations
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kylewm lots of hoops to jump through to watch a video of unknown length when you could just give the elevator description...
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acegiak GWG: So I'm fixing the problem of KSES stripping iframes from context
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bblfish There is a short blurb at the front of the video
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bblfish "We will show how to build a full Scala client and server application by illustrating it with a use case pushing the limits of what can be done: a distributed secure Social Web server. We do this by using emerging W3C standards: using JSON-LD for distributed data [0] , the Linked Data Protocol [1] as a generic web API, with WebID for distributed authentication [2]. In order to avoid duplication of code and to give us maximum f
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bblfish "
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bblfish - a scala RDF library that allows us to elegantly write code that can be used both on the web client using scala-js and on the server, whilst allowing us to change implementation with one line of code. On the client we gain maximum speed with a scala-js wrapping of the Facebook React framework, allowing us to write clean functional code.
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KevinMarks_ What is WebID?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WebID" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=WebID&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks_+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-10%2Fline%2F1426033786809
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bblfish http://webid.info/
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KartikPrabhu specs make my head hurt, goes back to staring at math
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bblfish and the specs are http://webid.info/spec
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bblfish that's why I have a video
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KartikPrabhu also acronyms ;)
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bblfish Anyway, you were saying that we did nothing over the past 5 years
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acegiak buh, this looks boring.
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KevinMarks_ WebID is http://webid.info/
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kylewm acegiak: that's not very nice :p
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loqi.me created /WebID (+54) "prompted by KevinMarks_ https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-10/line/1426033786809 and dfn added by KevinMarks_" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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GWG acegiak: Oh?
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bblfish what building a distributed social web that can avoid the problems of Snowden revealed to us, can work behind Tor, and is completely open source and open standard is boring?
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acegiak yeah, wp_kses allows you to provide a list of allowed tags
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bblfish Ah I suppose you must have other aims in life than I do
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kylewm bblfish: can you give a url where this is running?
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bblfish I'll put one up soon. For the moment you have to compile it yourself
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acegiak GWG: I was thinking of just putting the allowed html elements list into a textarea on the options screen as a json object
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KevinMarks_ So it's a convoluted way of doing what rel=me and h-card do?
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kylewm bblfish: ok please let us know when it's running somewhere on the web, i would love to check it out
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bblfish we had something up a year ago, then I left the startup as they were not interested in too researchy topics
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bblfish will do
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bblfish there are others that are running but nothing yet with eye candy that would make non technical people understand the power of these tools
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bblfish So we'll tell you when it is easy to understand
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GWG Acegiak, okay
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GWG Will look forward to seeing it
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kylewm don't need eye candy, just a visible implementation
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kylewm or at least a description that is not packed full of plumbing acronyms
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acegiak bblfish: also, why not throw some h-card on your blog in the meantime?
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acegiak takes five mins
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acegiak GWG: as long as that doesn't ring alarm bells of terrible ideas to anyone
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acegiak I'll push it with a fix for the "sometimes the response url box isn't opopulated when editing a post" bug
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GWG Acegiak, I want to see how you are thinking of doing it to get a sense.
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KevinMarks_ We parsed foaf at Technorati 12 years ago, but no-one posted it
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acegiak GWG: good plan
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bblfish so I hope that shows that 1. we have been working on the difficult problems and 2. why I don't hand out here cause well as Tantek said on issue 19 "Channel explosion has a simple solution, self-limit the channels you use. E.g. ignore the mailing list. It's amazing how productive ignoring the mailing list is." https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/19
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: would a space-separated list not be better?
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KevinMarks_ So we came up with xfn
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KevinMarks_ And hcard
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Loqi [bridgy] Jon Richter favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-10/line/1426022195333 (https://twitter.com/elfpavlik/status/575409447515918336)
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KevinMarks_ Which is on about 1/4 of the web now
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acegiak KartikPrabhu: I'd love to but the kses function requires you to also list what attributes are allowed for those elements
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KartikPrabhu aah I see
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acegiak and I didn't want to do arbitrary like "newline separated and attributes space separated"
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KartikPrabhu yeah that sounds not very nice
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acegiak and php will handle the json transform for me nicely
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GWG Acegiak, that empty box issue is one that I just fixed in syndication links
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KartikPrabhu yes. but if this is user facing then it might a UI problem to require people to know JSON style
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GWG acegiak: Why not convert?
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acegiak KartikPrabhu: maybe, but for the moment the only person fiddling with it is lil ol technical me
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@aaronpk @bblfish lol! Those are logs from the #indiewebcamp IRC channel! I made the Slack<->IRC gateway so that we have a... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/03/10/4/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/575459275989868544)
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GWG acegiak: My only concern in any feature is protecting those who don't understand it.
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@aaronpk @bblfish ...tho I will say I am flattered you thought my IRC logs were as pretty as Slack ;-) #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/575459852832534530)
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acegiak GWG: convert what?
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kylewm aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 732 karma
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acegiak aaronpk++ for displaying the tweet you're responding to.
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Loqi aaronpk has 733 karma
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@bblfish @aaronpk yep now #indieweb won't be able to argue ignorance of LinkedData tech because of problem with SMTP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-10/line/1426033233967 #lazyweb (twitter.com/_/status/575461060364255233)
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@PP_Djayakarta RT @metrotipu: Merasa Disudutkan Media, Haji Lulung: Kita Belepotan Diedit, Ahok Kayak Comberan Nggak. #MediaBlackout #IndieWeb @pribumi_or… (twitter.com/_/status/575461183697776642)
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acegiak I can't work out if #lazyweb is supposed to be a jab there because it sounds like a good hting to me
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kylewm based on today's interactions wtih bblfish, i'll assume jab
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GWG acegiak: Convert from a ui friendly entry to json
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acegiak GWG: oh yeah maybe
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acegiak but first making the thing work
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acegiak GWG: where do you set the default values for the options?
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GWG acegiak: I don't. I meant to fix that.
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GWG acegiak: I realized my mistake on that recently.
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acegiak GWG: I'm gonna do a bit of a hack on this field specifically
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acegiak we can clean it up later
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acegiak Ok so I've worked out the problem with using JSON for that
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acegiak GWG: pull request there for you
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acegiak you'll see the UX problem if you open the settings page
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acegiak but for the moment it works
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GWG acegiak: Perfect timing. I just finished dinner.
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GWG I'll have a look.
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acegiak got to admit, feels good to submit a pull request after that interaction with bblfish
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acegiak benwerd: I keep seeing your replies to tweets and things and then have to click on "in reply to post on suchandsuch" as a person consuming your posts it would be nice to be able to see the context at a glance
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benwerd acegiak: I agree - it's on my list but I .. never .. quite .. seem .. to .. get .. to .. it
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acegiak ok cool
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acegiak just mentioning it
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benwerd :)
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benwerd thanks for the feedback. always bumps it up a little if I hear about it from someone else ;)
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benwerd with that: pulling myself away from the computer.
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@acegiak Homogeneity is for wimps. Let's all be ourselves.: One of the things I love about the indieweb (and what I loved - http://acegiak.net/2015/03/11/homogeneity-is-for-wimps-lets-all-be-ourselves-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/575488960643776513)
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GWG acegiak: Done.
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acegiak GWG: cool
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GWG acegiak: I hid it a bit more
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acegiak fair enough
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GWG Hopefully it looks a little less daunting.
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@franczV Looking into #indieweb and making the shift to publishing my art & writing in a creator owned space. Thanks @warrenellis for the seed. (twitter.com/_/status/575496725953040384)
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Loqi [mention] Ashton McAllan reshared a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (http://acegiak.net/2015/03/11/hanks-tumblr-kenyattaselfportraithandpuppeti-looked-at-this-and-thought-i/)
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@kevinmarks RT @franczV: Looking into #indieweb and making the shift to publishing my art & writing in a creator owned space. Thanks @warrenellis for t… (twitter.com/_/status/575510399719718912)
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@pcosdeaf RT @franczV: Looking into #indieweb and making the shift to publishing my art & writing in a creator owned space. Thanks @warrenellis for t… (twitter.com/_/status/575510637104787457)
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@acegiak Did anyone bring up the #indieweb movement on the Reddit AMA with @timberners_lee ? - http://acegiak.net/2015/03/11/9401/ (twitter.com/_/status/575511816459149312)
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@kevinmarks @alexia this one was close http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2ykyht/i_am_sir_tim_bernerslee_inventor_of_the_web_join/cpahsj0 if @timberners_lee is in cambridge ma next week, he's invited to indieWebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/575516383729090561)
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@kevinmarks “Maybe 2.0 = silos of user-generated content and 3.0 = breaking out of those silos & user-controlled data” http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2ykyht/i_am_sir_tim_bernerslee_inventor_of_the_web_join/cpak9vs #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575516827842969600)
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tantek catches up on logs.
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tantek Well, sad to see personal attacks and such but very happy that everyone here responded so much more maturely and did their best to turn things into positives, including good questions. Great job everyone.
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KartikPrabhu good thing I stayed out and stared at math :P
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KartikPrabhu just coaught up on logs myself
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KevinMarks__ Sorry acegiak for my phone changing your name to Alexia
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acegiak KevinMarks__: I totally missed that?
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KevinMarks__ I replied to your tweet about timbl on reddit
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acegiak oh! I see
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KevinMarks__ It's also started "correcting" the slugs of urls I paste in
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tantek KevinMarks which phone/kbd?
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KevinMarks__ He said a lot of indieweb principles things
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KevinMarks__ SwiftKey on android
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acegiak mine does this thing where if I'm typing html tags and their attributes start getting randomly captilised
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KevinMarks__ Great at text, a bit weird at urls
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acegiak KevinMarks__: yeah I saw that, I was just wondering if the connection got made
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tantek KevinMarks - were you able to find any sign of implementation or even community?
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KevinMarks_ I asked about link rot, but he didn't answer
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KevinMarks hm, as my phone won't stay connected
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KevinMarks there were alleged implementations by no instacnes of them running, and lots of turgid specs
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acegiak So I've had this itch on whisperfollow for a while where I need to make it show what "page" you've scrolled to or some way of returning where you're up to in the stream in case you close the window or navigate away
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acegiak but because I haven't scratched it yet I'm now playng this game where I try and scroll through ~4.5 days of feed without having chrome freak out and die
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KevinMarks hm. you could bookmark it with a fragmention
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acegiak KevinMarks: I'm ajax loading content for infinite scroll. I have nothing at the moment to mark how far down the queue I am
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KevinMarks that is harder. Are they time ordered?
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KevinMarks you could mark the time you left with a line like slack does?
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KevinMarks hang on, i'm trying to read http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/identity/
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KevinMarks and http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/identity/#the-webid-http-uri can't keep Alice and Bob straight
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tantek KevinMarks I think you've been nerdsniped.
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KevinMarks http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i "HTTP failed unusually. (no handler set) (cross-site violation?) for <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bookmashup/persons/Tim+Berners-Lee>"
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KevinMarks it alos uses an exand link image that 404s
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KevinMarks http://dig.csail.mit.edu/hg/tabulator/raw-file/tip/content/icons/tbl-expand-trans.png
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KevinMarks so the *example* link in the spec, which is allegedly Tim Berners Lee's ID is full of 404s
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KevinMarks so FOAF decided to FOAD?
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@franczV Even though I despised the #2.0 catch cry I can get behind a #Web #3.0 based on creator owned content #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575525463692607488)
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KevinMarks Or is FOAF a recursive acronym for F Off And FOAF
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: http://xkcd.com/177/
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KartikPrabhu also usually Alice stays on earth and Bob speeds of in his fancy spaceship
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KevinMarks I love that Eve Maler works on security specs
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KartikPrabhu twin's paradox has weird gendered-roles
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KevinMarks are there entanglement versions now?
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KartikPrabhu there must be
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation#Formal_presentation
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I think I believe more in Quantum Teleportation than LDP.
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KevinMarks BTW, this was my favourite design thing today: https://twitter.com/edmorrish/status/575285436094017536
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@edmorrish My son saw this and asked why the sign for "video" was "bunkbed". https://twitter.com/edmorrish/status/575285436094017536/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/575285436094017536)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: oh snap!
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: lol
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I should write a spec for Quantum Linked Data, the data doesn't actually exist until someone tries to read it....
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tantek oh man
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KartikPrabhu and depending on how they read it they get contradictory information
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tantek due to DRY violations?
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KartikPrabhu no because "quantum" :P
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KartikPrabhu oh boy this could be a great physics-web parody if I had the time. Will give it thought over this weekend
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KevinMarks_ You have a couple of weeks for April 1st
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KevinMarks_ I'm down to help edit
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KartikPrabhu haha April 1st spec would be awesome :P
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KartikPrabhu I should find a good candidate W3C spec and mod it
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Loqi +1
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KartikPrabhu thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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KevinMarks_ Can cite http://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/382451600/entanglement?showDate=2015-01-30
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KevinMarks_ Where they describe watching quantum entanglement experiments on the radio
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KartikPrabhu haha! and I can cite the actual papers from 100 years ago which are probably on some DOI-type nonsense
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KevinMarks_ And that bogus permathread on how urls are documents so people have to be fragments
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KartikPrabhu :P
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KevinMarks_ A unification of linked data and string theory where you roll up the extra namespaces into 11 dimensions that you can't detect with instruments
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ lol that would be really getting wacky
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KartikPrabhu also due to the holographic princpple everything can be mapped onto 1 byte and thus we have zero latency and infinite cache
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KartikPrabhu ok shouldn't give all ideas away on a public logged channel :P
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KevinMarks_ You know, the string theory RDF analogy is quite good
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KevinMarks_ I wonder how current timbl is with Physics
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KartikPrabhu i have wondered that too
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KartikPrabhu damnnot W3C specs are copyrighted!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the quantum physics analog to web is not that far off
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tantek data isn't actually known until it is observed (visibly), e.g. on a web page
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KartikPrabhu but QLD won't even exist on the server until someone tries to read it :P
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KartikPrabhu that is the beauty of QLD server-side dynamic data rendering :P
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KevinMarks_ Enjoying this podcast on the nature of maths http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/stw/stw_20150309-1022a.mp3
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki liked a post http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-10/line/1426051519231 (https://aaronparecki.com/likes/2015/03/10/3/)
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KartikPrabhu my fav on that issue is the mathematician Michael Atiyah http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/gowers/gowers_VIII_6.pdf please spare academics from pdf;dr
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@fkleedorfer RT @bblfish: Updated issue 19 with a publicaly readable pointer to the OuiShare use case http://bblfish.net/tmp/2015/03/10/OuiSharetechnicalcomplexity.html #indieweb #social (twitter.com/_/status/575550723968098305)
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@elfpavlik RT @bblfish: OuiShare use case http://bblfish.net/tmp/2015/03/10/OuiSharetechnicalcomplexity.html #indieweb #social @OuiShareLabs @kirilind @metamapps (twitter.com/_/status/575558573486383105)
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tantek !tell acegiak this is a beautiful blog post: http://acegiak.net/2015/03/11/homogeneity-is-for-wimps-lets-all-be-ourselves-2/ really glad you're here.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu tantek: that is a repost of benwerd's just fyi. I was a bit confused by the presentation too
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tantek KartikPrabhu: are you sure? there's a reply down below
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's a reply, not a repost
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tantek original: http://werd.io/2015/homogeneity-is-for-wimps-lets-all-be-ourselves
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KartikPrabhu tantek: sorry yes it is a reply
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KartikPrabhu I was somehow thrown off by the presentation and didn't recognise the reply context immediately
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KevinMarks_ That post reminds me of this one https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c
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tantek KartikPrabhu: indeed - auto-scroll to the start of the reply would work better
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KevinMarks_ Which articulates well some of my ambiguity
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tantek KevinMarks: bummer about it being on medium - which is not really a "weirdoes" space
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KevinMarks_ I think that was deliberate to reach the non weirdos
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tantek huh
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tantek I have mixed feelings about such divisiveness.
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tantek it should be ok to be weird nerds and non-weird nerds and we should just celebrate both
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KevinMarks_ Yes, and I do try to. As you pointed out earlier I can be too tolerant
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tantek that had nothing to do with weird or non-weird
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tantek it's also not about tolerance but rather what/who you choose to amplify
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tantek given that, there is something to be said for amplifying the lesser heard voices
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KevinMarks_ And I was more focused on the what than the who
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tantek the problem with that is then the very talkative get more of your attention purely randomly
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tantek but they're rarely the ones that deserve it
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KartikPrabhu tantek: FYI I DM-ed you on IRC...
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KevinMarks_ Well, I try to amplify selectively. But yes. It's my tagline.
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@brunni1 RT @bblfish: Drama at @W3C Social !! Explosion of channels! The Group can't communicate https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/19 #indieweb #social (twitter.com/_/status/575567770282299392)
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acegiak amplifications of lesser heard voices are vital to a free society. Solidarity with minorities you're not a part of prevents authorities from dividing people and conquering
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Loqi acegiak: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 22 minutes ago: this is a beautiful blog post: http://acegiak.net/2015/03/11/homogeneity-is-for-wimps-lets-all-be-ourselves-2/ really glad you're here.
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acegiak tantek: daww thanks!
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG Good morning, all.
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pfefferle GWG good morning
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GWG pfefferle: Anything new and exciting with you?
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pfefferle GWG not really on you?
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GWG pfefferle: IWC is in a week. I feel like I should have something I want to hack on there.
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pfefferle GWG ;)
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GWG pfefferle: I'm just afraid I'm going to have to learn javascript.
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pfefferle GWG why that?
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GWG pfefferle: One of the things I wanted to do was to hide/show meta boxes based on the post kind selector in the Post Editor. There isn't another easy way to do that. For example, if you select RSVP, it shows the Yes/No/Maybe dialog.
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GWG I haven't coded RSVP yet because without the ability to hide it, it would be there all the time.
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acegiak GWG: code RSVP and I'll do your javascript for you
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acegiak also what happened to the checkin kind?
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GWG acegiak: Appreciate it and I will do that and check-in, most likely. I definitely should learn javascript one of these days though.
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GWG acegiak: Same as RSVP. I don't have the fields set up yet. It is there, just hidden.
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GWG Also, thinking of adding another field which would indicate publication/website name/album name.
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GWG Also, publication date is something I said I'd support.
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acegiak kk
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GWG acegiak: Any ideas about improving the display function are appreciated.
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tommorris I’ve been playing with a service called Mapillary yesterday - it’s basically an app you can use that (semi-/)automatically takes photos using your smartphone while driving/biking/walking and then makes them available for OSM users. recorded a demo walking through Hyde Park - http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/gnAW2M-_Z0VbKHTLJi7iKQ
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tommorris making sure I can get my stuff back out of it is quite important
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bret thats pretty cool tommorris
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gRegor` Any messages Loqi?
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Loqi yeah!
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ben_thatmustbeme Loqi lied to you
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bret snarfed: your huffduff video works on pages that have a video player embed too. nice. sometimes vimeo is really annoying and wont let you link through to the video page
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snarfed bret: thanks!
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snarfed did it definitely fully work? it's only halfway worked when i've tried it on youtube embedded videos
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snarfed maybe vimeo is better
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snarfed also, all credit to youtube-dl, not me :P
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bret wel worked on a vimeo at least
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bret well*
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kylewm hi all, I'd like to update the /code-of-conduct page to explicitly state in the header "This code of conduct applies to all IndieWebCamp spaces both online and off, including events, our IRC channel, and wiki." currently it could be read to only apply to f2f events
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kylewm any thoughts?
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dariusdunlap Personally, I woul dcertainly agree with that, Kyle.
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snarfed !tell tantek happy birthday tantek!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@artlung Also known as, if it’s not curlable, it’s not on the web. https://indiewebcamp.com/curlable http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead (via @t ) (twitter.com/_/status/575721872567836672)
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GWG It's Tantek's birthday?
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kylewm happy 3/11 Tantek, remember to come original
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kylewm is sure he is the first person to ever make that excellent joke
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benwerd knows all those words separately but is missing a cultural reference :'(
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KevinMarks_ That Tantek quote in this tweet sounds like it should be read by Rutger Hauer in the rain https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/575440658015485952
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@kevinmarks “All your fancy front-end-JS-required frameworks are dead to history, a mere evolutionary blip… ” @t http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575440658015485952)
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KevinMarks_ "I've seen things you wouldn't believe, CSS beams glinting off the Angular gate, meteor blips off the Backbone of Orion
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KartikPrabhu hhhaaha
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KartikPrabhu last night I stumbled across a website that didn't show any content even if my JS was on, some how disabled both right click and dev tools!!!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: was it about:blank?
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KartikPrabhu errr no an actual website. it showed header/hero image but nothing else
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KartikPrabhu i am sure some JS broke in FF
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KartikPrabhu as in some of their JS didn't like FF
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@javascriptd RT @artlung: Also known as, if it’s not curlable, it’s not on the web. https://indiewebcamp.com/curlable http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead (via @t ) (twitter.com/_/status/575730289055436800)
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aaronpk kylewm: +1 re http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-11/line/1426096428729
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 3/10 at 3:25pm: I found broken permalinks on caseorganic.com - namely all presentation posts appear to have died / gotten redirected. E.g. http://caseorganic.com/presentations/2013/10/19/1/files/slides/?full#6 gets redirected to a completely different presentation :/
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aaronpk !tell tantek ah thanks. she hasn't imported those yet (they had to be done manually) and I think you're getting redirected based on fancy wordpress slug matching magic
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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gRegor` kylewm: Also +1 on CoC
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bear KevinMarks++ for that Blade Runner reworking
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Loqi KevinMarks has 90 karma
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bear kylewm +1 on CoC edit for online/offline
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kylewm.com edited /code-of-conduct (+98) "update to explicitly cover "IndieWebCamp spaces, online and off" discussed in IRC http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-11/line/1426096428729" (view diff)
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kylewm thanks y'all
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ben_thatmustbeme Thanks kylewm
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KevinMarks twitter version https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/575750376084803584
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@kevinmarks I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. React ships on fire off the backbone of Midori. I watched CSS embers .. http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/ive-seen-things-you-people-wouldnt-believe-react-ships-on (twitter.com/_/status/575750376084803584)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/575731667802963968
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@textfiles Hey @om make the site static. MAKE THE SITE STATIC (twitter.com/_/status/575731667802963968)
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aaronpk how big do you think the site is?
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aaronpk should I run my spiderpig on it?
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gRegor` What is spiderpig?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "spiderpig" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=spiderpig&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-11%2Fline%2F1426110039356
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gRegor` Spiderpig is does whatever a spiderpig does
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loqi.me created /Spiderpig (+70) "prompted by gRegor` https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-11/line/1426110039356 and dfn added by gRegor`" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gregorlove.com edited /Spiderpig (-2) (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme sighs, we should probably update that to be correct
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm fine with jokes, but spiderpig is actually a thing
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kylewm ha, thought it was a Charlotte's Web reference... apparently my simpsons knowledge is lacking
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/esripdx/Spiderpig
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ben_thatmustbeme although i don't know what the difference is from doing 'wget -r'
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kylewm "wget --mirror" is the new way to make aaronpk crazy
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aaronpk omfg seriously
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aaronpk have you ever actually tried that
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ben_thatmustbeme what, wget --mirror or wget -r?
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aaronpk both
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ben_thatmustbeme wget -np -r
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aaronpk yeah go try it on something
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ben_thatmustbeme i've used that a number of times
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, and?
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aaronpk mhm. and what does it do when there's URLs like /example and also /example/1
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aaronpk and when it encounters 301 redirects
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aaronpk and what about images that are linked to from within CSS files
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ben_thatmustbeme giggles
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ben_thatmustbeme use --max-redirect=0
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aaronpk no but you want to preserve the redirects
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ben_thatmustbeme okay then --max-redirect=1
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ben_thatmustbeme continues to giggle
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aaronpk but you also need to *store* both urls
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aaronpk otherwise you broke links
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ben_thatmustbeme you realize i'm basically just trolling you now
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aaronpk that's it i'm putting this into the readme
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ben_thatmustbeme LOL
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, you were right, that worked
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kylewm :D
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 135 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme I think thawr has gathered enough irc logs to start adding some new features
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ben_thatmustbeme at least marking up my log display
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KevinMarks Hm, spiderpig plus Google's new cold storage cloud API sounds like a thing to try
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KevinMarks 1c a gigabyte
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gRegor` I figured someone would put the real definition in for /Spiderpig
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aaronpk oh yeah i was working on that
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KevinMarks http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.com/2015/03/introducing-Google-Cloud-Storage-Nearline-near-online-data-at-an-offline-price.html?m=1
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KevinMarks Can it swing from a web? no it can't it's a pig 🐷
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acegiak With great power comes great responsibility: http://acegiak.net/2015/03/12/9427/
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aaronpk nice animated gif profile image!
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aaronpk i miss my blinking gif. really freaked people out back in the day
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ben_thatmustbeme notices acegiak p-x-pronoun-nominative
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ben_thatmustbeme acegiak++
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Loqi acegiak has 15 karma
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acegiak ben_thatmustbeme: I suggest other people also maybe pickup adding pronouns to their h-cards because then A) trans and non-binary aren't automatically different in the fact that they actively list preferred pronouns and B) we can actually use it really effectively for constructing status messages like "aaronpk updated his post"
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aaronpk and also Loqi can use the proper pronoun for !tell messages ;)
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Loqi yeah!
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, he is getting them from that
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ben_thatmustbeme intersting
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aaronpk no he's not yet
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aaronpk but he should!
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ben_thatmustbeme i should proably not put things like "that awesome dude" and just use "him" for now then perhaps
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Loqi +1
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acegiak lol
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ben_thatmustbeme shush loqi, your vote doesn't count
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ben_thatmustbeme "I will tell that awesome dude when I see that awesome dude" just doesn't flow well
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aaronpk I should make Loqi chime in with +1s when people are voting in #social ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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Loqi yea!
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ben_thatmustbeme just if he sees multiple +1's in succession
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aaronpk right
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: waaah, something came up and so I can't make it to HWC again :(
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gRegor` Booo
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gRegor` This is why we can't have nice things. ;)
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aaronpk whoa new twitter rules https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311-the-twitter-rules
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KartikPrabhu :(
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aaronpk particularly interesting is "targeted abuse" "if the reported behavior is one-sided or includes threats"
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Reminder that 3/25 is already cancelled since I have a conflict, so I guess we'll continue in April
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KartikPrabhu yeah.
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KartikPrabhu "Randomly or aggressively following, favoriting or Retweeting Tweets;" what does that mean
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aaronpk and quite the definition of spam
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: here you go https://github.com/esripdx/spiderpig#why-not-just-use-wget---mirror
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: I've seen twitter accounts that favorite/RT just to get your attention. Visit their profile and then they're spamming their product.
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KartikPrabhu me too but the language on that is too vague
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ben_thatmustbeme bah, old english didn't have any cool 3rd person prnouns really
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aaronpk just repor them as spam and eventually enough peple will do that
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gRegor` ::shrug:: if they put in a specific threshold, spammers will just work their way around it.
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gRegor` I'm sure the behavior is noticeably different between a bot doing that and a person
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KartikPrabhu hmm yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme there p-x-pronoun- values added to my site
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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acegiak ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 50 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme waits for loqi support
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Loqi who, me?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes you stole the cookies from the cookie jar
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ben_thatmustbeme acegiak, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun because why not
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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acegiak ben_thatmustbeme: there are so many interesting proposed nonbinary pronoun sets
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ben_thatmustbeme Acegiak. Indeed they are all over the place. I just picked one randomly
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: kinda defeats the purpose?
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GWG I haven't seen some of those since high school.
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acegiak kylewm++ for specifying pronouns
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@edrex https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club at @PDXMozilla tonight. thinking to demo continuous deployment from @github with gitfish. @bret @dietrich @aaronpk (twitter.com/_/status/575801287159119872)
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kylewm acegiak: definitely. appreciated your suggestion (http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-11/line/14261123502390) and a little embarrassed i didn't figure that out on my own
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aaronpk kylewm: where'd you get that URL? it's broken for me
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kylewm so ... yeah it looks broken to me too
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kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-11/line/1426112350239 is the one i meant
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kylewm ah I bet I typed an extra 0 instead of )
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aaronpk ah
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gRegor` What is preferred pronouns?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "preferred pronouns" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=preferred+pronouns&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-11%2Fline%2F1426116883324
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acegiak dear firefox: you aren't my default browser, so why do you launch when I open links from terminal?
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KevinMarks_ how do I make mailto URLs launch gmail?
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aaronpk depends on the browser?
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KevinMarks_ is doing oldschool social sharing
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GWG Isn't there an option in gmail?
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acegiak if you're on windows the gmail notifier application also can do it
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KevinMarks_ chrome plugin?
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pwcc Good morning IWC.
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acegiak morning , melbourne!
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pwcc Good morning adelaide! Did you see you need to upgrade WPSEO if you use it anywhere?
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acegiak I saw the thing but I'm not using it
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, why does that defeat the purpose?
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gRegor` KevinMarks: If you're in Chrome you don't need a plugin https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1382847?hl=en