#indiewebcamp 2015-03-12

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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: sorry it probably doesn't. I think I was being overly sensitive.
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aaronpk the point of specifying a preferred pronoun is that you prefer that one over others
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aaronpk if you don't have a preference, you shouldn't specify one
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aaronpk so picking one at random is seemingly pointless
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kylewm but it does serve the purpose of normalizing the concept of specifying preferred pronouns
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aaronpk picking one at random does not
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KevinMarks_ aha, thanks gregor
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KevinMarks_ wonders who will use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_address_in_the_United_Kingdom#Royalty first
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kylewm aaronpk: could you explain why choosing a pronoun at random doesn't serve that purpose? i think i will agree with you, but i cannot explain it atm
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KevinMarks_ p-x-pronoun-nominative:Her Majesty
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aaronpk choosing one at random feels like not taking it seriously
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aaronpk and that is disrespectful to people to who this matters
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pwcc aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 736 karma
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kylewm aaronpk: thanks, as i expected i agree with you :)
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kylewm though i do list my gender as "agender" on facebook because they don't have an option for "decline to state"
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KevinMarks_ quite. Though changing for test purposes is acceptable
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KevinMarks_ I thought they had free text now?
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KevinMarks_ http://time.com/3724405/facebook-gender/
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kylewm ugh, good point. I tried and failed to blank it out, but it does accept the string "Decline to state"
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KevinMarks_ marks that as a win
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kylewm KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 91 karma
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aaronpk they do http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/fb-gender-20150311-171349.png
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aaronpk although only three pronouns
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KevinMarks_ right, but we're still exploring that
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KevinMarks_ we got free text gender into vcard4
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KevinMarks_ we can get pronouns in the next iteration, if we iterate them in the wild
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aaronpk they also have a set of genders to choose from http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/fb-gender-options-20150311-171500.png
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aaronpk but presumably you can type something as well?
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KevinMarks_ that was the recent change, after google made it free entry
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kylewm yeah you can type something, you just can't type nothing, that's what i was confused about
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aaronpk ah
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kylewm gives a js warning if it's blank https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/facebook-gender.png
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aaronpk darn, blank string doesn't work
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aaronpk also "." doesn't work
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aaronpk n/a doesn't work
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aaronpk wait, I can't type in freeform text in here at all
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aaronpk oh nvm i see what's going on, you have to click the freeform text in the dropdown and have it tokenize it in the text box
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kylewm haha, just discovered exactly the same thing
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aaronpk okay so I *can* set my gender to "."
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kylewm I set mine to "is a social construct"
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aaronpk haha
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gRegor` "is just like, your opinion, man"
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aaronpk oh man.. i'm gonna start putting this in all my articles and presentations about authentication http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/long-wall-of-text-20150311-172252.png
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, RE: pronouns, it serves the purpose of preferring genderless which genderless does not need a preference
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ben_thatmustbeme it is also to test genderless pronouns on
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ben_thatmustbeme out*
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: i'm not arguing specifying them is bad. i'm saying you should be deliberate in what you choose
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ben_thatmustbeme i deliberately chose genderless
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aaronpk also there is more than gendered vs genderless
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, i know
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ben_thatmustbeme and eventually i'll learn those distinctions too
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ben_thatmustbeme if I care to
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pdurbin ben_thatmustbeme: looking forward to indieweb cambridge?
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme I really want to work on a contacts endpoint at some point
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ben_thatmustbeme which reminds me, i need to start documenting my logstore endpoint
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@doriantaylor #indieweb folks I wouldn't mind getting some thoughts on this: http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure (@kevinmarks, @t?) (twitter.com/_/status/575817260981338112)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Anything that I can do to help before next week?
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dorian oh ha hashtag
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dorian now that's handy
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, hmm, what are you interested in working on, I'm trying to get everything i've done thus far down really quickly on /logstore
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ben_thatmustbeme and i just noticed that whole "scope" section of micropub
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ben_thatmustbeme which I don't return a scope to clients, or ask it from my client
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ben_thatmustbeme i just assume that i got those i requested at login
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aaronpk you only need to request it if you want scope like posting to their site
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ben_thatmustbeme well, yes, ben.thatmustbe.me/new has a different login form that requests post scope
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ben_thatmustbeme but there is the bit about the client knowing if they approved it or not, and responding accordingly
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ben_thatmustbeme so the MP endpoint needs to return that somehow, which is what i am trying to parse out now
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ben_thatmustbeme getting sidetracked
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I meant for IWC
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /logstore (+2975) "starting a documentation of logstore" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme well i tried to get some of it down
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electronicmaji lol
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electronicmaji white people
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electronicmaji and their skin cancer
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electronicmaji I mean
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bret PDX is about to start our HWC
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bret meeting
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electronicmaji while peopel can't even go outside into the sunlight without contracting a disease
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electronicmaji what good is that?
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /logstore (+514) "adding questions to work out as I think them up" (view diff)
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kylewm electronicmaji: ??
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /logstore (-2) "reorganize" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, oh, for IWC, I still need to work out food. We are going to just do the catered second day thanks to Tim, and I think he said they will do breakfast the first day
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ben_thatmustbeme need to figure out breakfast second day and lunch first day
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@kevinmarks “In 100 years, we will still have the Web✱.” http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575831633787387904)
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ben_thatmustbeme It seemed people were okay with chipotle again
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ben_thatmustbeme for catered lunch
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bret Doing intros: attending in PDX dietrich, tjgillies, edrex, mathpunk and wagle !
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bret edrex is going to do a demo on continuous deployment of websites to gh-pages
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@doriantaylor RT @kevinmarks: “In 100 years, we will still have the Web✱.” http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575832020279934976)
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bret Satic sites with webhooks
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bret static*
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kylewm is edrex involved with -- https://robots.thoughtbot.com/blog-in-markdown-deploy-with-webhooks
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bret kylewm: ill ask!
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@gravitydrift RT @kevinmarks: “In 100 years, we will still have the Web✱.” http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575833707967201280)
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bret edrex: travis-ci is slow and kind of heavy duty for just building a static site.. so we can run cron like jobs against github webhooks using gitfish https://github.com/jmervine/gitfish
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bret written in go
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bret also node
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bret can be wired to be socket activated via systemd so it doesnt need to run the whole time
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dustin.younse.com edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+164) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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dustin.younse.com edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+168) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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bret demo time
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ben_thatmustbeme no play by play of demos?
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bret photos were taken
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bret but my phone keeps crashing
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dietrich bret: btw, been jotting some notes at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/homebrew-mar-11-2015
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@brianjesse Talking #IPFS w @tylergillies at Homebrew Website Club #indieweb (@ Mozilla Portland) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/jzrLvSlvJPN https://twitter.com/brianjesse/status/575843357676736512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/575843357676736512)
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@benwerd Homebrew Website Club at the Creamery. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/575845083041304576/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/575845083041304576)
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bret http://blog.tylergillies.club hosted out of ipfs
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell tantek, arronpk will anyone have some IWC sticker suppy for IWC Cambridge?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret tylerjillies was able to connect to peers on the restricted wifi using https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
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@s_clearion RT @kevinmarks: “In 100 years, we will still have the Web✱.” http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575847775063048194)
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@doriantaylor RT @kevinmarks: “In 100 years, we will still have the Web✱.” http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575848553546825728)
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bret cool dietrich ill add that to the wiki later tonight
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electronicmaji Martin Luther King and Anne Frank were the same age
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@dietrich Homebrew Website Club meetup at Mozilla Portland. Notes: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/homebrew-mar-11-2015 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/575850137940983808)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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kylewm electronicmaji: did you want something?
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@bookprescom How To Connect Social Media Metrics to In-Store Foot Traffic >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=616642&utm_content=buffer8c010&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Guest. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/575883974234472449)
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@skry RT @doriantaylor: #indieweb folks I wouldn't mind getting some thoughts on this: http://doriantaylor.com/the-hundred-year-infrastructure (@kevinmarks, @t?) (twitter.com/_/status/575885040007041024)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: yep i'll bring a bunch of stickers!
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@IPFSbot RT @brianjesse: Talking #IPFS w @tylergillies at Homebrew Website Club #indieweb (@ Mozilla Portland) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/jzrLvSlvJPN http://t.co/Z… (twitter.com/_/status/575892837369147392)
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@juanbenet RT @brianjesse: Talking #IPFS w @tylergillies at Homebrew Website Club #indieweb (@ Mozilla Portland) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/jzrLvSlvJPN http://t.co/Z… (twitter.com/_/status/575892948480491520)
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acegiak pfefferle, is dempress going to support the indieweb post kinds?
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pfefferle acegiak isn’t this theme independent?
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acegiak indieweb post kinds has a couple of theme hooks
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acegiak and asks for theme support
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pfefferle I will implement the microformats hook
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pfefferle I mean support flag
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pfefferle is there a list/doku about the hooks?
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acegiak might have to ask GWG. I don't see it in the github documentation
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acegiak beyond add_theme_support('post-kinds');
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GWG pfefferle, acegiak: I implemented two. One to declare microformats support, the other for post kinds support. If you declare post kinds support, it disables the content filter.
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@sirmlivesey This is great for creating your own digital assistant. Build your own and break away from silos. #indieweb .. http://www.ministryofmark.com/2015/this-is-great-for-creating-your-own-digital-assistant-build (twitter.com/_/status/575992237902925824)
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@sirmlivesey This is great for creating your own digital assistant. Build your own and break away from silos. #indieweb http://motherboard.vice.com/read/sirius-is-the-google-backed-open-source-siri (twitter.com/_/status/575992718138150912)
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GWG Good morning, by the way.
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@_hemalc RT @sirmlivesey: This is great for creating your own digital assistant. Build your own and break away from silos. #indieweb http://t.co/NLX… (twitter.com/_/status/575995798158123008)
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ben_thatmustbeme Good morning Gwg
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Time grows short.
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@BillSeitz RT @benwerd: Homebrew Website Club at the Creamery. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/575845083041304576/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/576000727979417600)
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ben_thatmustbeme Indeed. Btw. Looked at the tripod and I'm not sure I have the mount for it. I'll ask today. I think he left it on the camera
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ben_thatmustbeme I dont know if those are a standard size
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: There should be a standard screw mount
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Do you know what the room looks like?
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GWG Is it the same one you had last time?
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david.shanske.com edited /2015/Cambridge (+69) (view diff)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: You were linking to the 2014 schedule. Fixed
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@zutfen http://www.zutfen.com/?p=3111 My amazing experience building an encrypted @ownCloud 8 based personal cloud. #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/576010417513881600)
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@ownCloud RT @zutfen: http://www.zutfen.com/?p=3111 My amazing experience building an encrypted @ownCloud 8 based personal cloud. #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/576011416446083072)
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pfefferle GWG any other hooks?
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GWG Pfefferle, not built into post kinds.
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pfefferle ok
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GWG I switched to tgene support for features.
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GWG The idea of having post kinds as a theme feature would mean the theme makes all the display decisions
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pfefferle ah ok
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GWG That would mean running get_kind_response_display.
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks GWG, we were in the room last year, and I'm pretty sure its the same room, its an odd shape
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ben_thatmustbeme and yeah, its like mine used to be, there is a screw mount piece but that has a quick release bit, which i think is what is missing. Really wish i hadn't yard saled my old tripod
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ben_thatmustbeme the screw mount piece is not there, i suspect its attached to the camera still
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I could bring a full sized or tabletop
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ben_thatmustbeme last year we used a tabletop one i believe and it worked out fine
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ben_thatmustbeme i got my pop-up reminder this morning. 7 days away!
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barnabywalters any messages, Loqi?
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Loqi barnabywalters: kylewm left you a message on 2/27 at 1:15pm: woodwind says it subscribed to your feed successfully, but i'm not getting pings from you :(
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ben_thatmustbeme added some notes of logstore to the wiki last night, finally
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Loqi barnabywalters: cweiske left you a message 2 days, 2 hours ago: and strangely, login on https://waterpigs.co.uk/ works with http (without indiecert), but for https urls I get redirected to indieauth.com
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Loqi who, me?
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ben_thatmustbeme 2/27? been away a while barnabywalters
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: indeed :) and about to be again…
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ben_thatmustbeme awww
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barnabywalters PuSH is so tricky to debug :(
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barnabywalters I need to build better tools into shrewdness for that
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ben_thatmustbeme one of the main reasons I am not getting involved in PuSH right now
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: as a publisher, or a consumer? in theory, publishing PuSH is fairly simple — just add some <link> elements and send you hub(s) a POST after every update
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ben_thatmustbeme i really just want to be able to notify my own phone of messages. but thats another problem
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ben_thatmustbeme "in theory" forgives all manner of sins :P
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barnabywalters heh
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, it looks pretty easy, just not something i want to get in to right now honestly
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barnabywalters in practice, I found publishing PuSH to be easy to implement, but that apparently hasn’t stopped my implementation from breaking
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ben_thatmustbeme huh... thawr stopped logging
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll have to look in to that
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ben_thatmustbeme nevermind. i'm a dope
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ben_thatmustbeme it is, i just forgot i reversed the order so the newest message is at the bottom as it normally would be
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barnabywalters what is thawr?
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Loqi thawr is a chat and messaging interface being developed by Ben Roberts at github.com/dissolve/thawr https://indiewebcamp.com/thawr
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ben_thatmustbeme just messing around, building one piece at a time toward decentralized chat
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ben_thatmustbeme starting with logging messages (direct and chat)
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ben_thatmustbeme then i'll move on to a contacts endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme then hopefully on to really building out thawr
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ben_thatmustbeme or at least getting the tools in place for others to
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ben_thatmustbeme what is logstore
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Loqi Logstore is an endpoint for storing and retrieving logs from an indieweb site https://indiewebcamp.com/logstore
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell kylewm not loading the image, its getting a 500 error https://kylewm.com/2015/03/like-of-ben-roberts-ozzy-meet-pause-btmb-me-s-7u
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk weird, php-comments does not want to see https://kylewm.com/2015/03/like-of-ben-roberts-ozzy-meet-pause-btmb-me-s-7u as a like, but just appears as a mention for me, updated to latest code
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell kylewm weird, php-comments does not want to see https://kylewm.com/2015/03/like-of-ben-roberts-ozzy-meet-pause-btmb-me-s-7u as a like, but just appears as a mention for me, updated to latest code
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme hey Kevin
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kylewm barnabywalters: good morning :) I think the problem superfeedr has with your push feed is you don't publish Link HTTP headers and it requires them right now. we have a request into julien to fall back on <link> elements
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Loqi kylewm: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 18 minutes ago: not loading the image, its getting a 500 error https://kylewm.com/2015/03/like-of-ben-roberts-ozzy-meet-pause-btmb-me-s-7u http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-12/line/1426170269309
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Loqi kylewm: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 minutes ago: weird, php-comments does not want to see https://kylewm.com/2015/03/like-of-ben-roberts-ozzy-meet-pause-btmb-me-s-7u as a like, but just appears as a mention for me, updated to latest code http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-12/line/1426171193447
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /logstore (+170) "/* Questions */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters kylewm: oh is that the problem? good to know and easy to fix, thanks!
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme it looks to me like php-comments is expecting like-of to always be a list of urls, not h-cites https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments/blob/master/src/indieweb/comments.php#L162
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ben_thatmustbeme i did an !tell to aaronpk as well, i guess its on his side then
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: and the deal with the image proxy returning 500 is weird... it gets an error because your image doesn't have a Content-Type header
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, one strang thing of selecting a file from gallery when posting, the file name is just a number, it doesn't contain .jpg or anything
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ben_thatmustbeme it is really odd
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ben_thatmustbeme thats probably why it doesn't, apache has no idea its actually an image
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ben_thatmustbeme if i take a photo in mobilepub, it does include file type
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: that makes sense, IIRC apache maps file extensions to MIME types. If there isn’t an extension, it leaves it out
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ben_thatmustbeme exactly
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barnabywalters there’s probably some configuration voodoo which will make anything without an extension in a certain directory get served with image/jpeg
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barnabywalters which would work provided you only store JPEGs in that folder
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, good thinking, but i'm not sure i want that
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ben_thatmustbeme since i just store "images"
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ben_thatmustbeme could be png, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme i should maybe just farm out to 'file' command on console and get php to rename it
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barnabywalters there may also be mods which try to use the first x bytes of the file to sniff the content type is
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Loqi +1
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks loqi
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barnabywalters but the easiest solution is probably just to leave the extensions on the file
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Loqi you're welcome
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ben_thatmustbeme he's been in a +1 kind of thing
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barnabywalters funny how his habits change
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed. but I don't have control over that. maybe i am missing something in the cordova's gallery library
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ben_thatmustbeme it seems odd for them to remove file names entirely like that
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barnabywalters nice work on the personal pronoun microformats btw acegiak kylewm ben_thatmustbeme etc! I added mine last night
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barnabywalters looking forward to Loqi learning how to use them
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ben_thatmustbeme plans to abuse them once they work
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ben_thatmustbeme putting another person's name in to confuse them
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ben_thatmustbeme or 'you'
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ben_thatmustbeme "I will tell you when I see you"
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: why? seems a little malicious
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barnabywalters I wonder what sort of safeguards would make sense to implement as a consumer of personal pronoun microformats
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ben_thatmustbeme is chaotic good
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ben_thatmustbeme precisely to point out issues like that
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barnabywalters are most personal/alternative pronouns a single word, without spaces? that would be an easy check
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barnabywalters of course it doesn’t matter for private notifications, as only the spammer would see them
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ben_thatmustbeme need to allow 's too. can still be abused with foul language
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ben_thatmustbeme or camelCase
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pierre-o.fr edited /pgp (+39) "Add link to private posts /* Private, Transient, Async Messaging */" (view diff)
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pierre-o.fr edited /pgp (+1654) "Idea about pgp messaging /* Private, Transient, Async Messaging */" (view diff)
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Pierre-O Does anybody wants to try pgp messaging with me?
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Loqi [bridgy] Christophe Ducamp +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/106119964731604142156/posts/RZPjouKVUHT)
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: do you use https://indiewebcamp.com/logstore to store+present system logs in HTML as an h-feed?
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't, but i could
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ben_thatmustbeme barnabywalters, right now I am only storing #indiechat and #indiewebcamp, or any direct messages to ben_thawr
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ben_thatmustbeme though I haven't looked at direct messages yet
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ben_thatmustbeme the idea is to hopefully obscure the pipe for direct messaging, and thus have a single log for direct messages from a person regardless of if the message came from private post/webmention, aim, irc, xmpp, etc
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: oh, very cool — and all visible on your site as nicely formatted HTML
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ben_thatmustbeme thus any app that communicates over any of those channels can easily pull up full logs and store back messages to your site
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barnabywalters I’ve wanted to make some sort of improved h-feed view of my site’s logs for a while
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ben_thatmustbeme its not public, only owner can view it right now, due to it logging direct messages
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ben_thatmustbeme I have not marked it up at all yet
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ben_thatmustbeme perhaps I will just throw in viewing for now so people can see it working
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: so this would be an ideal thing for, say, a feed reader to subscribe to? as it’s similar to having mentions feeds, but wider in scope
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: oh yeah I was assuming it was always private, but that the owner would have a way of viewing the HTML
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, i suppose a feed reader could subscribe to it, not what I had thought of it for
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pierre-o.fr edited /private_posts (+78) "Adds pgp messaging /* Private messaging */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: well, treat “feed reader” as a legacy term for “software with which you interact with your/other people indie sites”
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barnabywalters e.g. on signing into shrewdness, it could discover log endpoints for people and create columns for each of them
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ben_thatmustbeme here, just made current work publicly readable, for now. will go away with my next update https://ben.thatmustbe.me/logstore
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, why is it doing that again
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ben_thatmustbeme need to change the # to %23
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ben_thatmustbeme to view actul room logs
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ben_thatmustbeme there we go, fixed that
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ben_thatmustbeme barnabywalters: it only goes back 100 entries (i believe), but the full log is stored. I need to figure out some options for paging
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: rel=prev[ious]/next?
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ben_thatmustbeme well yes, but what do those link to?
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ben_thatmustbeme this is changing quickly, so skip=? limit=? by the time you go to prev it may be outdated
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ben_thatmustbeme i believe reddit does a 'after=<post_id>' or something like that
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barnabywalters use a permanent pagination strategy like ?before=YYYY-MM-DD:HH-MM-SS
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ben_thatmustbeme that might make sense, perhaps timestamp
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barnabywalters before/after timestamp or post ID works
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ben_thatmustbeme timestamp would make the most sense i think
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barnabywalters I use before/after timestamp because it’s more flexible
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ben_thatmustbeme i need to make those logs show timezone too
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ben_thatmustbeme I figure I build this out, then next is contacts storage/access
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally, if a contact has a listing of irc://freenode/<username> and aim://<username> then either of those would pull up the same log
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ben_thatmustbeme i need some way to mark what pipe a message came in over
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ben_thatmustbeme might just go with p-x-content-pipe or something like that
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ben_thatmustbeme i haven't dug around for anything pre-existing yet
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Loqi [bridgy] Milk Miruku +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/106119964731604142156/posts/RZPjouKVUHT)
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Loqi [bridgy] River Van Rain +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/106119964731604142156/posts/RZPjouKVUHT)
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Loqi [bridgy] Todd Barnard +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/106119964731604142156/posts/RZPjouKVUHT)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/106119964731604142156/posts/RZPjouKVUHT)
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kylewm i'm wondering about pronouns in different languages "I'll tell lui when I see lui"
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@kevinmarks No, @ev, hosted domains that don't support experimentation https://medium.com/the-story/custom-domains-for-publications-8cb161d9651 want what we asked for. http://www.kevinmarks.com/puzzledbymedium.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/576065147896139776)
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, that does get complex
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, that post was from when it was called idno
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kylewm p-x-pronom-indiret
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ben_thatmustbeme what language is that?
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ben_thatmustbeme i can imagine some might have overlap when they are from the same root lang
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ben_thatmustbeme according to google translate french would be pronom-indirecte
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /logstore (+149) "/* Questions */" (view diff)
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kylewm I assume we don't want to start going down the rabbit hole of microformats properties in different languages
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barnabywalters microformats typically tries to accommodate as many possible languages/cultural norms e.g. “first”/“last” names with one property name
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barnabywalters in this case, best approach is going to be to research+collect as many variations of personal pronoun usage in different languages, then design something from that
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ben_thatmustbeme that would start to get pretty crazy, languages like japanese you really can't determine things like that because its the speaker who decides the formality to speak at
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ben_thatmustbeme so probably wouldn't make sense for that language
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, 3rd person you could do actually
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: if there’s a social network with 3rd person notifications in that language, then there are examples which can be collected
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ben_thatmustbeme i wish i could get a Mixi login, I would tell you
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barnabywalters we look for how other people have solved the problem before trying to solve it ourselves
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ben_thatmustbeme what is mixi
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Loqi Mixi.jp is a popular content hosting silo and activity aggregator which is the most popular social network in Japan https://indiewebcamp.com/Mixi
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 44 minutes ago: weird, php-comments does not want to see https://kylewm.com/2015/03/like-of-ben-roberts-ozzy-meet-pause-btmb-me-s-7u as a like, but just appears as a mention for me, updated to latest code http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-12/line/1426170891746
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ben_thatmustbeme morning
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aaronpk yay for context in !tell messages now :)
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kylewm today in silo deaths... http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, not that there really was much, but yeah, i noticed
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aaronpk i made an issue for that https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments/issues/6
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kylewm probably should haev seen that coming when Go moved to Github
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ben_thatmustbeme i honestly cannot think of many projects I use that are on google code
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ben_thatmustbeme but i don't like having everything on github
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aaronpk source code hosting is hard
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ben_thatmustbeme at least being git requires that everyone has a copy, but still
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kylewm hard to be upset about this one... they have a good long timeline for people to migrate their stuff off
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aaronpk wait.. google code is shutting down?!
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jansauer.de edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+150) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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aaronpk that seems like a very reasonable/responsible shutdown process
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aaronpk also WOW: "I work on Google Code, and we will be putting a service in place to redirect deep links to project homepages, issues, etc. to their new locations."
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aaronpk google++
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Loqi google has 0 karma
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aaronpk lol
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kylewm ew that made me feel icky
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aaronpk that gives me an idea...
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aaronpk I should redirect ppl's geoloqi profile pages to their websites when I finally turn it off
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kylewm aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 737 karma
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aaronpk i'll just hard-code the list of them into an nginx config block
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+648) "/* Upcoming */ Google Code" (view diff)
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gRegor` Wow, Friendfeed finally shutting down in April? Lasted longer than I expected.
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+300) "/* Upcoming */ Direct Friendfeed blog link+quote" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+0) "/* Upcoming */ Trovebox.com extended through 3/31" (view diff)
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gRegor` Added preferred pronouns to http://gregorlove.com/about/
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gRegor` Kinda stands out since it's written in first person instead o third, heh
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GWG I guess I should jump on the pronoun bandwagon.
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` you don't have to display it, I don't
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gRegor` I know; trying to avoid invisible data
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kylewm hehe, I like the idea of working them into the bio subtly
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gRegor` I'm intending my /about page to be my primary h-card and just the authorship from posts to it
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gRegor` kylewm: I did check to see if "him" and "his" appeared anywhere. I could have used a "He" that actually referenced someone else. :)
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KevinMarks_ Is loqi reading the pronouns?
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gRegor` Add it as parts of other words... T<span...>his</span>
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gRegor` KevinMarks_: Not yet
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kylewm lol, gRegor`
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gregorlove.com created /preferred_gender_pronouns (+160) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com moved /preferred_gender_pronouns to /preferred_gender_pronoun "singularize. oops"
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gregorlove.com created /preferred_pronoun (+38) "r" (view diff)
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gRegor` what is preferred gender pronoun?
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Loqi A preferred gender pronoun is the pronoun that a person chooses to use for themself https://indiewebcamp.com/preferred_gender_pronoun
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kylewm.com edited /preferred_gender_pronoun (+131) "add see also to Microformats.org" (view diff)
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aaronpk omg bridgy storm!
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gregorlove.com edited /preferred_gender_pronoun (+75) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +me" (view diff)
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gRegor` !tell acegiak Can you add yourself to /preferred_gender_pronoun#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm T<span...>his</span> reminds me of Snowden's "it's [m]y first time" http://imgur.com/UF9AO8F
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gRegor` And kylewm and anybody else: /preferred_gender_pronoun#IndieWeb_Examples
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aaronpk bridgy is sending me some weird webmentions
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aaronpk this one appears to be a like-of a facebook URL https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/11500459/10101787706573606/10152618534248683
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snarfed aaronpk: i pushed the mf2 changes in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/371 this morning
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snarfed could be that
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aaronpk would that cause it to re-send webmentions?
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snarfed hopefully no
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snarfed i think we were already including u-like-ofs (etc) of the silo post as well as original post, so that's hopefully not new
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aaronpk i just got a crazy amount of old ones
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aaronpk snarfed: that URL I posted doesn't have aaronparecki.com in it at all
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snarfed hrm
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snarfed maybe we haven't discovered the original post for it yet?
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snarfed not sure
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snarfed i'll look
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kylewm.com edited /preferred_gender_pronoun (+78) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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snarfed oh that's old, ok
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snarfed sigh
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snarfed ah, i can guess why. we no longer auto-generate content for likes etc, and we try to detect changed responses (e.g. comment edits) so we can send updates, so we're seeing the content change
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snarfed sigh indeed
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snarfed webmention source urls and mf2 uids should be the same though so hopefully this won't cause too many dupes
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aaronpk k. but why do some of them not have a link to my site?
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aaronpk i'mgetting a bunch of instagram ones too, but those are working fine
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snarfed i don't know yet, still looking
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snarfed sorry for the trouble :(
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aaronpk oh man this is making me really want to be smarter about doing git commits for webmentions
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aaronpk right now i do a git commit and push for each webmention :/
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snarfed ?! wow
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aaronpk i should really be batching that
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kylewm git won't let you do a no-op commit though will it?
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk what do you mean?
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aaronpk no-op commit?
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kylewm like if you re-receive an old webmention, it doesn't update the content of the page, there shouldn't be anything to commit?
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aaronpk oh, no I store a log of each webmention request received in a file, so it will always append to that file
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kylewm oh gotcha
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@kevinmarks @Eliservescent would love to have your thoughts on expressing preferred pronouns for external use: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card-brainstorming#Preferred_Pronouns #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/576105397892722688)
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ben_thatmustbeme is anyone around to test out our new webcam, also firefox hello
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll go with not
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PMurphs yes hi i am here
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PMurphs i can test your new webcam for a small consulting fee of 10,000 us dollars
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KevinMarks_ Interesting chrome change for add to homepage
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KevinMarks_ http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/03/increasing-engagement-with-app-install-banners-in-chrome-for-android
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bear I was just going to post that ... my question/concern is why it needs a service worker to enable - my no-javascript static site would not work with it
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme, PMurphs: I'll do it for a mere 9,000 USD
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ben_thatmustbeme PMurphs is sitting 10 feet from me ....
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ben_thatmustbeme okay PMurphs, but its coming out of your pay
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ben_thatmustbeme LP
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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gRegor` Hmm, did Bridgy profile URLs change? https://www.brid.gy/facebook/gregorlove says it's not found.
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gRegor` From the /users page the link is https://www.brid.gy/facebook/27301982 which gives 500
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snarfed gRegor`: yeah, GWG and kylewm noticed it a while back too. yet another casualty of FB 2.x API. :( https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/350
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snarfed whoa, 500? that's bad. i'll look
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gRegor` I did click in FB to renew the app permissions a week or so ago
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snarfed gRegor`: aha, great catch. thanks! bug caused by https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/371 . fixing now.
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PMurphs ben_thatmustbeme: youre not my boss
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@peteramckay RT @benwerd: Homebrew Website Club at the Creamery. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/575845083041304576/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/576125297029869568)
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snarfed gRegor`: fixed. thanks again!
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snarfed also lol http://instantgregorlove.com/
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gRegor` :)
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gRegor` Keep forgetting about it/saying I need to record more clips
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gRegor` Uh oh, here come the mass webmentions
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gRegor` Stupid FB API
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snarfed gRegornobacktick++
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Loqi gRegornobacktick has 45 karma
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snarfed considering everyone has to remember to munge your username, that's pretty solid
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` will not get gRegornobacktick.com, will not get gRe...
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KevinMarks would hosting feedparser on github.com/indieweb make sense when it moves off google code
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KevinMarks (also,how do I get in the group - I have code that would fit)
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kylewm KevinMarks: do the feedparser maintainers have an affiliation with indieweb?
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kylewm looks forward to the site death of code.launchpad.net
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KevinMarks I miss the code search though
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KevinMarks depends how you look at affiliation
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KevinMarks Pilgrim and Swartz, yes. Oshineye kinda
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KevinMarks also we coudl then encourage them to support h-feed
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KevinMarks :D
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kylewm that would be awesome, aren't these the people we'd need to sign off? https://code.google.com/p/feedparser/people/list
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KevinMarks see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/feedparser-dev/gLJjno87P1M
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kylewm got it, adewale == Oshineye
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KevinMarks aaronpk: are you admin of indieweb on github?
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kylewm KevinMarks: I sent you an invite to the github group
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aaronpk One of many yea
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KevinMarks ah, OK
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KevinMarks would unmung and newBase60py fit there?
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pierre-o.fr edited /pgp (+793) "Adds a concrete example /* Possible Solution */" (view diff)
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kylewm I'm not really clear what the github organization is for... i guess for generally useful libraries and/or for things that multiple people want to collaborate on
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@pierreozoux Proposition for private messaging in the context of #IndieWeb using PKI https://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Possible_Solution Comments are more .. https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2015/proposition-for-private-messaging-in-the-context-of-indieweb-using (twitter.com/_/status/576134293983997952)
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Loqi [mention] Pierre Ozoux commented 'Proposition for private messaging in the context of #IndieWeb using PKI https://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Possible_Solution Comments are more tha...' on a post https://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Possible_Solution (https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2015/proposition-for-private-messaging-in-the-context-of-indieweb-using)
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KevinMarks well, that was easy: https://github.com/indieweb/newBase60py
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cuibonobo I had been using https://github.com/zaninime/python-nb60 myself.
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cuibonobo i do like that yours is more direct
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KevinMarks also has tests
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cuibonobo KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 92 karma
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KevinMarks not convinced that one implements the O0 mappings etc
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KevinMarks eg https://github.com/indieweb/newBase60py/blob/master/newbase60test.py#L23
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KevinMarks also his throws rather than coping with error chars
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cuibonobo i personally prefer throwing errors for unexpected data
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cuibonobo makes debugging easier
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KevinMarks I was following tantek's model
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KevinMarks spot the old C programmers
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KevinMarks ;)
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cuibonobo haha
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aaronpk I think the IndieWeb org is good for libraries but not projects
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petermolnar good (morning) evening
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petermolnar if anyone is willing to test an 500px (comments|favs|votes) to WordPress comments importer (or up for extending it to other networks): https://github.com/petermolnar/keyring-reactions-importer
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petermolnar it's buggy and potentially messy and many many things are copied from the Keyring Social Importers, but so far, it's working
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@idworkshop Internet Identity Workshop taking place at Computer History Museum Apr 7-9. Come talk about identity, #VRM, #indieweb http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/576140986239287296)
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@windley Internet Identity Workshop taking place at Computer History Museum Apr 7-9. Come talk about identity, #VRM, #indieweb http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/576140986272841728)
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@Jim_Harper RT @windley: Internet Identity Workshop taking place at Computer History Museum Apr 7-9. Come talk about identity, #VRM, #indieweb http://t… (twitter.com/_/status/576141573353836545)
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@DAATLE RT @idworkshop: Internet Identity Workshop taking place at Computer History Museum Apr 7-9. Come talk about identity, #VRM, #indieweb http:… (twitter.com/_/status/576144487900168192)
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gRegor` Hahaha https://twitter.com/eevee/status/576122989550268416
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@eevee reminder that the space jam website has outlasted every single product google has ever introduced (twitter.com/_/status/576122989550268416)
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gRegor` http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm
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gRegor` https://twitter.com/spacejamcheck
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gRegor` Look at the source. <!-- Badda Bing, Badda Boom -->
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sparverius holy crap
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sparverius the source for the press box
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sparverius <!-- Congress shall make no law, etc., etc. -->
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` Jump Station <!-- Go ahead and jump. Might as well jump. -->
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@kevinmarks Known as a PHP dev framework is an intersting idea http://stream.withknown.com/2015/build-awesome-php-web-applications-using-known-as-a-framework #indieweb @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/576151322283540481)
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acegiak kylewm: you recieve webmentions but don't automatically parse as comments, right?
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Loqi acegiak: gRegor` left you a message 3 hours, 20 minutes ago: Can you add yourself to /preferred_gender_pronoun#IndieWeb_Examples ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-12/line/1426188491021
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kylewm acegiak: comments/replies on my site should show up automatically... if they don't, something is broken
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acegiak kylewm: http://acegiak.net/2015/03/13/kyle-mahan-id-like-to-do-an-audit-of-the-podcasts-i-listen-to-to-see-what-percentage-are-hosted-by-white-men-afraid-of-what-i-will-find/
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acegiak I really need to fix my extremely long permalink problem
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KevinMarks hah
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KevinMarks no, you should add giant fragmentions too, and then you won't need to have a post, just a URL
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kylewm acegiak: my logs are kind of messed up, but i don't see a webmention from you
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kylewm but it worked when i sent it manually
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acegiak :S
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acegiak Oh!
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acegiak hmmmm
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acegiak kylewm: did you just get a webmention from me on this: https://kylewm.com/2015/03/it-s-not-a-beautiful-as-chrome-s-momentum-plugin?
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kylewm acegiak: no
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acegiak hmmm. Further experimentation is required
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kylewm hehe someone's going to have to suck it up and make webmention more reliable sooner or later
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kylewm monitor the status url, on error try to send again with exponential backoff...
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kylewm not it
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acegiak yeah, no it wasn't that. it was the fact that GWG changed the meta fields for storage but didn't change where it hcecked that field for sending webmentions to the new value
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kylewm nevertheless
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KevinMarks i was thinking about that - have a fork of webmention.herokuapp.com which you also ping with WM's that stores them for you
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pwcc acegiak: I've been changing them manually to status<postID>, it also helps ensure I can keep the good slugs for blog posts :)
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pwcc Good morning IWCers
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acegiak pwcc: the problem for me is only that the title is autopopulated and sometimes long. I can add some truncation tow whisperfollow
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GWG acegiak: I forgot again?
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GWG acegiak: Sorry.
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acegiak GWG I'll submit a pull shortly
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GWG acegiak: I need to rewrite it for multi reply
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acegiak ah, I see
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GWG Even though I don't actually allow people to do multiple urls
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GWG Unless you want to try to write that.
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GWG I also have my plan to expand the data fields. Some may wait till IWC next week
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acegiak I'm not TOO fussed about multireplies yet
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acegiak it's not a thing I want to do often
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GWG I just didn't want to have to change the structure again.
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acegiak GWG: agreed
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GWG I could always just use a character, like ; in the existing fields.
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acegiak nonono
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GWG I thought after the first time I'd never change it again
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acegiak lol
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GWG acegiak: I have plenty to do for a while
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GWG I have rsvp, checkin, weather...
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acegiak weather?
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GWG Publication, though I'm not sure what field name that is
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edrex tjgillies: got convos set up on my home server, good to be back on irc again :)
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edrex also, I had been trying to learn emacs a few weeks ago and gave up, playing with spacemacs now and liking it
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GWG I'm thinking that I should get at least rsvp or check-in working for IWC
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acegiak I'd make use of checkin
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GWG acegiak: I need to resurrect Simple Location for that.
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acegiak so what DOESn't wordpress geo have by default?
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GWG acegiak: Only venue
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GWG Read my note in the wiki
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GWG Simple Location just adds the post meta boxes, but it was never finished
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acegiak I think I'm gonna switch back to firefox just because it only occupys one slot in top which and lists the full footprint in that one line
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GWG One spot?