#indiewebcamp 2015-03-19

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acegiak
kylewm: I was having some technical issues :P
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acegiak
GWG: any idea why mf2_s is showing a truncation/summary for my articles? or is it post kinds?
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acegiak
should be obeying the "for each article in a feed, show fulltext/summary" setting under reading
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tantek.com
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GWG
acegiak: I only added the response to the feed. I didn't change it
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@dissolve333
Competition breeds innovation applies to standards as well. Maybe one day we can all play together #indieweb #pumpio #jsonld (btmb.me s/88)
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GWG
So, how did W3C Social go?
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aaronpk
!tell cweiske sorry for the delay, but I just deployed the indieauth-client change to Monocle!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
aaronpk: congrats again on monocle, it's shaping up great
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snarfed
let me know if you want me to file issues about the unrelated yellow twitter links, or about twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com feeds not showing up. i've been waiting since you were busy
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aaronpk
!tell snarfed yeah go ahead and file issues! The yellow twitter icons are when it finds a syndicated post on twitter (and facebook and instagram). I should probably find a better way of displaying that though.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
What's the monocle URL? I'd like to have a look
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GWG
aaronpk: Very nice
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aaronpk
thanks!
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GWG
aaronpk: Your travel page makes me want to implement something for travel.
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aaronpk
it's kinda fun! still needs some work and also a UI for me to create posts easier
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GWG
Well, my next project is location awareness for WordPress, to lead into check-ins.
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GWG
I have other projects, but that one is the most visual, and thus conducive to demoing.
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GWG
Travel would be two locations.
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@HongPong
#IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015 Tmrw && Friday http://indiewebcamp.com/next-iwc are you ready to code #Indieweb & get out of these corporate silos?
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@mncannabis
RT @HongPong: #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015 Tmrw && Friday http://indiewebcamp.com/next-iwc are you ready to code #Indieweb & get out of these corpora…
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@CaptainKurtis
RT @HongPong: #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015 Tmrw && Friday http://indiewebcamp.com/next-iwc are you ready to code #Indieweb & get out of these corpora…
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@CaptainKurtis
RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http…
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exploratori.us
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Loqi
cweiske: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 19 minutes ago: sorry for the delay, but I just deployed the indieauth-client change to Monocle! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-18/line/1426733776272
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KevinMarks_
wonders what to hack on for indiewebcamp remote attendance
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KevinMarks_
anyone got any suggestions for indieweb hacking? http://app.willsomeone.com/?asklist_name=indieweb
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@timmmmyboy
Early morning flight with @jimgroom to Boston for #indiewebcamp at MIT today and tomorrow. Can't wait!
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fkooman
aaronpk: if you have time, could you debug in indieauth why https://tuxed.net does not work?
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aaronpk
Sure! I won't be back at my computer for a few hours but will look when I can!
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fkooman
aaronpk: thanks :-)
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GWG
Good morning.
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pdurbin
GWG: mornin'. you made it to boston ok?
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GWG
pdurbin: Well, I nearly had to use my air sickness bag, but yes
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pdurbin
that's my five year old on every flight :/
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pdurbin
pretty windy yesterday
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GWG
Yes.
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GWG
Not the 5 year old part, the windy.
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GWG
Anyway, I'm looking forward to doing some hacking.
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pdurbin
I'm looking forward to dinner!
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pdurbin
!tell tantek Approved! Coming to dinner tonight! Where? :)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG
pdurbin: Oh?
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GWG
Speaking of which, I'd better go get cleaned up and ready to go to IWC.
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pdurbin
put some pants on
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GWG
I'll be sure to do that.
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@dissolve333
On my way to IndieWebCamp Camnridge. Just getting in to Boston now. (btmb.me s/89)
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@glennjones
Looking forward to hangout on indieweb IRC, reading about and watching videos of  http://t.co/QRxiU7Zohy over next 2 days
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi
tantek: pdurbin left you a message 37 minutes ago: Approved! Coming to dinner tonight! Where? :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19/line/1426764057450
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tantek
pdurbin: good q - we'll have to ask ben_thatmustbeme :)
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aaronpk
Wheels up from Boston! I'll try to join from the plane, but if not, I'll see you when I land in Seattle!
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GWG
tantek: I had suggested Legal Seafood for a meal. Maybe that is more a dinner option
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tantek
a pricey one at that!
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tantek
safe travels aaronpk!
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GWG
tantek: Is it? Never been
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GWG
I just like fish
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tantek
GWG me too
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey, I didn't plan anything tonight for dinner, I figured that stuff would be first on the agenda today
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, the room is open, I'm here with tim owens and jim
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Is anyone at the venue yet?
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ben_thatmustbeme
just the 3 of us
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GWG
I'm not there yet
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GWG
I'll come over now
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GWG
I need to set up
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aaronpk
waves from the plane!
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aaronpk
anyone want to see if this works from the plane? https://talky.io/indiewebcamp
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cweiske
I see you
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cweiske
and for a short time your video moved
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aaronpk
i think ki can squeak out a few frames of video
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aaronpk
haha nice
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Loqi
nice
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cweiske
did you see my hand waving?
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aaronpk
yeah at a pretty good frame rate too
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mattl
Hey... I'm sick. No iwc for me
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
we are joining to talky.io/indiewebcamp in a moment
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pdurbin
mattl: sorry to hear. hey, did you see the link I sent you in here the other day?
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mattl
pdurbin: hmm. Send it again?
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pdurbin
mattl: "If you’re interested in talking about making deployment easier for every-day users, please consider joining the conversation" http://mediagoblin.org/news/userops.html via http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2015-03-16#i_10289203 reminded me of https://github.com/mattl/indieweb-installer/blob/master/dump.md
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aaronpk_
It's so dang loud on the plane! I need noise canceling headphones
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pdurbin
aaronpk_: escaping Hoth are you?
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pdurbin
s/Hoth/Boston/
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Loqi
pdurbin meant to say: aaronpk_: escaping Boston are you?
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aaronpk_
It's pretty much Hoth outside
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pdurbin
take us with you!
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mattl
pdurbin: oh cool. I'm in the IRC channel.
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pdurbin
mattl++
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Loqi
mattl has 6 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
talky.io/indiewebcamp testing
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ben_thatmustbeme
anyone want to visit
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Loqi
[mention] Aaron Parecki posted 'Hi from the plane! http://indiewebcamp.com/' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/03/19/2/)
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ben_thatmustbeme
for those whose autolinker didn't work
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ben_thatmustbeme
there we are
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/arlive/are live/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: we are live
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erandros
Hi.
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GWG
Good morning, erandros
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erandros
Good morning, I was browsing the channels on freenode and found this
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erandros
I'm not exactly understanding what you guys do
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GWG
Have you visited indiewebcamp.com?
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GWG
I can give you the summary.
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GWG
Basically, we are a group of people who believe in having our own websites.
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erandros
Ok, is it like a site where people help with each other's projects?
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erandros
Or is it more oriented to...
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG
We do help, yes. But the projects use common tech.
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erandros
Ok, what do you with common tech?
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GWG
Intersite communication
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GWG
For example, you can comment on someone else's site from your own.
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ben_thatmustbeme
for those interested in joining http://talky.io/indiewebcamp
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erandros
oh, ok.
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erandros
Is this blog oriented?
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GWG
To a point.
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GWG
Most personal sites are 'blog' style.
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GWG
But, there are other things people put on it
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GWG
erandros: Do you have your own site?
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GWG
What is Indiewebcamp?
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Loqi
IndieWebCamps are brainstorming and building events where IndieWeb creators gather semi-regularly to meet in person, share ideas, and collaborate on IndieWeb design, UX, & code for their own sites https://indiewebcamp.com/indiewebcamp
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erandros
Right.
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erandros
I'm building a site, it isn't a personal site though.
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GWG
The chat will answer you if you want.
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GWG
erandros: What is the site for?
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erandros
It's an educational site, oriented to academic knowledge.
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erandros
Well, seeing it might explain it better learneet.herokuapp.com
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erandros
So, I'm browsing freenode in the hopes of finding people who needs help, and people who want to help me.
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GWG
With writing scientific articles or something else?
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tantek
erandros, it helps to have your own personal site to experiment on and learn from before building sites for others
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GWG
That isn't necessarily on topic for us here.
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tantek
erandros, and there's lots of people here who can help you with setting up a personal site and putting it to use!
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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GWG
It's a good way to test things...use them yourself.
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erandros
I never thought of starting a personal site, I might consider it.
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GWG
Why should the place online that represents you be controlled by someone other than you?
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erandros
I haven't actually thought that, it makes perfect sense.
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GWG
erandros: We're having an event today, actually
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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erandros
Oh, ok, hope you guys have a good time.
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erandros
I'm from Argentina so I'm afraid the plane ticket ticket it's a bit too expensive.
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erandros
Thanks for the info though, if I ever want to start a personal site, I'll probably contact you.
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erandros
Or rejoin this channel
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aaronpk_
I can't seem to find this by googling... Is it possible to put a content type in an HTTP link header?
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aaronpk_
Like can I just add content-type="application/json"?
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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tommorris
on the most ironic piece of self-dogfooding fail, the following link does not work: https://openssl.org/
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tantek.com
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pfefferle
good morning
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fjhirsch.com
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fjhirsch.com
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GWG
Good morning, pfefferle from windy Cambridge, MA and Indiewebcamp
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@HongPong
RT @glennjones: Looking forward to hangout on indieweb IRC, reading about and watching videos of  http://t.co/QRxiU7Zohy over next 2 days
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@HongPong
RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http…
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@HongPong
RT @t: to MIT for @W3C Social Web WG, @IndieWebCamp! Let’s focus on live user-centric demos only, no architecture ... http://tantek.com/2015/075/t2/social-web-indiewebcamp-live-user-demos-only
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@HongPong
RT @t: @rektide while IndieWebCamp has http://indiewebcamp.com/principles & http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct My “focus” referred to Social Web f2f. (ttk.me t4aA3)
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: doing basic intro to history of Indiewebcamp
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ben_thatmustbeme
started in 2011 and organizing all over the world since
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ben_thatmustbeme
this is our second one since
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GWG
tantek prepared to explain the principles of Indiewebcamp
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gRegor`
aaronpk: I think it's just type= on a <link>? But it's not exactly a content-type, or not the same value usually.
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@jimgroom
Love this subversive culture jamming of the SquareSpace ad for IndieWebCamp by @aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb
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GWG
tantek say: Build for yourself, not for others.
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tommorris
wishes the Bostonian indiewebsters well from grey London.
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@fjhirsch
RT @jimgroom: Love this subversive culture jamming of the SquareSpace ad for IndieWebCamp by @aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb
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@adamboyet
Attending the indie web camp today in Cambridge #indieweb #ownyourdata
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rhiaro
waves at AnnB :D
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GWG
tommorris: tantek is talking about you.
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gRegor`
Oh, you said Link header. Disregard.
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gRegor`
drinks more coffee
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ben_thatmustbeme
in the past we scribed everything in here, but i'm not sure we need to scribe this intro
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pfefferle
GWG have fun :)
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GWG
I'll cliff note
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tommorris
ben_thatmustbeme: video?
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tommorris
GWG: anything nice? ;-)
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pfefferle
GWG I have to prepare my move to the lovely karlsruhe
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GWG
pfefferle: Enjoy.
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GWG
tommorris: Something you added to our principles.
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tommorris
GWG: I think I added “Have fun"
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GWG
Something about platform agnostic platforms
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme is demoing something that involves a webcam
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tantek
mobile UI on his android to his website
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tantek
to create a note
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GWG
Oh...he's demoing his mobile posting interface on his mobile device.
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tantek
shows writing online drafts on his mobile UI / app
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tantek
and then later posting, keeping the original timestamps of when he wrote his posts.
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tantek
written in Apache Cordova, compiled to Android
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tantek
can theoretically be compiled to Windows Phone or iOS
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tommorris
(wow, an Apache project that isn’t all enterprise Java nastiness.)
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tommorris
tantek: I’m listening but working as well.
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tantek
ben's app uses micropub
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tantek
logs into his site with indieauth
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gRegor`
Hm. Working on de-duplication for Twitter favorites. Since Twitter doesn't have permalinks for each favorite, Bridgy sends the tweet URL, so I can't just use the u-url and target to de-dupe.
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GWG
tommorris: Audio is decent?
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gRegor`
How are others handling this?
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tommorris
GWG: sounds great.
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gRegor`
reads up on /deduplication
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fjh
ben's phone app should work with windows phone, not tested, or could be built for ios, requires micropub on server side and indieweb auth support
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aaronpk_
tommorris: Apache Cordova was previously known as PhoneGap, Adobe basically acquired it
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kylewm.com
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tantek
Tim Owens demoing
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tantek
shows logging into his own site with IndieAuth
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tantek
simplified with single user on the site assumption
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tantek
just one click then he picks an auth provider per normal indieauth flow
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tantek
he runs Known on his site
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tantek
trying to get into the habit of using it
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tantek
he uses Twitter a lot
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tantek
reading / interacting with community
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tantek
hard to think of having one place to read and another to write
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tantek
all that activity happening one place
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tantek
has been using his site a lot more for bookmarking
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tantek
wrote a plugin to write links to Diigo
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tommorris
what is diigo?
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tantek
Tim is running the open source version of it
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tantek
so he can write his own plugins for Known
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tantek
GWG - feel free to take demo notes as well!
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tantek
like "play by play" style
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fjh
is there a url for known?
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ben_thatmustbeme
for those that are interesting in my mobilepub app, it is open source, and very easy to build, http://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub
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tantek
fjh, what is Known?
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Loqi
Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indiewebcamp.com/Known
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GWG
withknown.com, I believe
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: No prebuilt APK?
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Acidnerd
GWG, can i ask u a question ?
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aaronpk_
tantek++ for demo notes
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Loqi
tantek has 168 karma
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GWG
Acidnerd: Yes, but might be slow. At Indiewebcamp
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aaronpk_
Text is much easier to get through the tiny plane Internet
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fjh
thanks Loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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ben_thatmustbeme
its linked there
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GWG
aaronpk_: Welcome aboard.
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gRegor`
waves from talkyio
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Acidnerd
its quick, GWG , how do i implement http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain this using your wp implementation ?
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tantek
Jim is also demoing Known
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Acidnerd
directly on the theme ? or is the a plugin to insert this once ?
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mattl
ben_thatmustbeme: how do you find Cordova?
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GWG
Acidnerd: Rel-me links will be in a future version of Syndication Links
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Acidnerd
i guess this has something to do with the plugins syndication links
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Acidnerd
ahh ok
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GWG
Acidnerd: For now, try Indieauth Links from Jihaisse.
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Acidnerd
so right now, do i just go to main "homepage" and insert this below the article/page ?
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gRegor`
It's an aaronpk_ in the sky
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tantek
Jim has been blogging about 10 years
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GWG
Jim Groom is showing his Known instance, and how he is using it to show off what he is interested in/working on.
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tantek
… interested in blogging from his space
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ben_thatmustbeme
mattl: not bad, there are some limitations, but for this type of app it works quite well. honestly i did that app in a couple days, there are a lot of bugs and incomplete things, it was more as a proof of concept
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tantek
… and sending it to Known
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ben_thatmustbeme
and hoped that someone else might pick up on it
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Acidnerd
thanks GWG i'll try that
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GWG
He wants to syndicate to Known, as opposed to the other way round.
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Acidnerd
geez i wish i could be there
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GWG
Acidnerd: Will keep you posted on that update.
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ben_thatmustbeme
acidnerd, we have http://talky.io/indiewebcamp running as well
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tantek
Jim shows how students at his university are using Known
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GWG
Jim Groom is showing a Wordpress installation that aggregates student sites for an online course
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tantek
each with their own site
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG should we work out pointing that toward the monitor?
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Acidnerd
thanks GWG, when u back, anytime we could have a chat/hangout & talk about my first Wp implementation, maybe some feedback can help improve the serie of plugins
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tantek
and an aggregator of all of them
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tantek
for their coursework
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gRegor`
Thanks, camera guy
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ben_thatmustbeme
camera guy = GWG
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tantek
fjh is demoing
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tantek
fjhirsch.com is very simple, is running WordPress
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tantek
has a few blog posts
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GWG
No camera guy here, just Amy Guy.
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snarfed
gRegor`: re de-duping twitter faves, use author too?
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tantek
uses Twitter a lot, not really thrilled with Twitter client
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GWG
Sorry, bad joke.
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Loqi
snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 36 minutes ago: yeah go ahead and file issues! The yellow twitter icons are when it finds a syndicated post on twitter (and facebook and instagram). I should probably find a better way of displaying that though. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-18/line/1426735132614
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tantek
would like to get photos up
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tommorris.org
created /evernote (+22) "redirect"
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tantek
fjh: backup is important
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gRegor`
snarfed: That's what I was leaning towards
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tantek
fjh: e.g. backup of photos, remote, off his site, in a way that doesn't lose his stuff
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Acidnerd
ben_thatmustbeme, that link is nice, but sound is really hard to catch...weird quality from here
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tantek
fjh: trying to get photo blogging working
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gRegor`
GWG: instantrimshot.com :)
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Acidnerd
sounds like this is underwater mixed with mars attack voices
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GWG
Because it is now pointing at the screen
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gRegor`
Yeah, pretty poor audio here too
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snarfed
gRegor`: maybe conditional on u-url == u-like-of, so you don't have to special case twitter
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tantek
fjh: photos.fjhirsch.com
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tantek
fjh: got a shortener domain and is wanting to get that work too
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snarfed
(also u-url == u-repost-of, etc)
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tantek
fjh: right now my photos are sitting on a harddrive at my house
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tantek
fjh: what's the point if no one sees them
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ben_thatmustbeme
Acidnerd: GWG is recording audio for later too, and we are trying to capture URLs to people's sites
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GWG
I have a directional microphone, but it couldn't hear the room. I need a boundary mic for next time.
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tantek
fjh: I use photomechanic
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aaronpk_
Okay bad audio is not just cause I'm on a loud plane?
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tantek
fjh: I'd like to keep control of it
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gRegor`
snarfed: Not tracking u-*-of URLs currently, unfortunately :/
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tantek
fjh: I don't want to use photo sites that claim they can use your photos for whatever you want
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tantek
fjh: others ask you to pay to get copies of your photos back
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tantek
fjh: wordpress seems like it could work but it doesn't seem quite right
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Acidnerd
ben_thatmustbeme, that's great..i'll keep an eye on this
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tantek
fjh: I do like plain HTML and simplicity
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GWG
fjh: Talk to me about WordPress options when you get a moment.
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tantek
Dustin Younse
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Acidnerd
talky is very similar to appear.in but worst in term of quality
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tantek
now works for a Drupal company
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tantek
has been Drupal for a while now and enjoys it
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tantek
but doesn't enjoy doing it after he's clocked out
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tantek
personal page is dustin.younse.com
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tantek
wants to start playing with flat file stuff more like jekyll
#
tantek
longterm project of taking grandma's recipe box
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tantek
taking index cards to Jekyll, make JSON feeds
#
tantek
current longterm project
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tantek
updates his home page when he needs a new job
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tantek
currently scanning his index cards as images
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tantek
what is jekyll?
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Loqi
Jekyll is Ruby software that helps you create "Simple, blog-aware, static sites" suitable for static domain hosting https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll
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gRegor`
My processing (probably a mistake) processes the u-like-of and then sets a flag whether the wm is a like or not, but I haven't kept track of the u-like-of in the db. Still in the JSON, so I can add it without too much difficulty.
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tantek
Tim mentions mkdocs.org
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tantek
what is mkdocs?
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tantek
Chris Buck
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tantek
found about this 2 days ago
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GWG
Chris Buck just learned about this.
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ben_thatmustbeme
butterwell.exploratori.us
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tantek
what weird requirements to join a convention
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GWG
He had some spare domain names.
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gRegor`
mkdocs is http://www.mkdocs.org
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loqi.me
created /mkdocs (+58) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19/line/1426777253197 and dfn added by gRegor`"
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tantek
got indieauth setup
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GWG
Chris Buck feels really good
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tantek
all connected in 
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tantek
interested in a lot of things, vast sharing of information
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tantek
we should be able to share scientific and large datasets among the populace
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GWG
Hmm, he has his phone number up.
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GWG
rhiaro.co.uk presenting.
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tantek
Amy from Edinburgh
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tantek
IndieWebCamp Edinburgh in July!
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tantek
started a year ago before had heard of IndieWeb
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GWG
When in July?
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tantek
site runs a triple store, with MySQL and PHP
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tantek
setup webmention a few days ago
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tantek
added microformats too
#
tantek
recently broke her publishing flow, goal is to fix that, or skip straight to supporting micropub
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tantek
and then do event posts
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fjh
I really meant to demo http://www.fjhirsch.com/ ; the urls page is not interesting
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gRegor`
What is triple store?
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tantek
if anyone wants to talk to me about linked data
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GWG
tantek is now presenting.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll take over scibing, need practice at it
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek is showing his site tantek.com
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GWG
tantek is showing his traditional style blog.
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ben_thatmustbeme
modeled after traditional blog. posts mostly on his own site but still hasn't figured some parts out
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GWG
tantek has been POSSEing to Twitter for 5 years
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll let GWG continue
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GWG
There is no way to navigate to his previous tweet.
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GWG
So he built arrow keys on his site.
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tommorris
has had to shoot off from the livestream
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GWG
tantek wants to bring back hypercard and flip through his posts
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tommorris.org
edited /Evernote (+334) "adding Evernote integration"
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ben_thatmustbeme
scrolling between tweets is so fast he doens't need to use ajaxy methods, full pages loads are fast enough
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GWG
tantek believes Twitter has better emoji than he does.
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ben_thatmustbeme
nothing is stored in a database, everything is stored in flat files in microformats
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KevinMarks_
Theirs are open source
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gRegor`
emoji--
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Loqi
emoji has 0 karma
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KevinMarks_
😔 😿 Gregor
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ben_thatmustbeme
other post type that he got working is RSVP (2 years now approximately)
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GWG
Next, tantek got RSVPs
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kylewm
😺++
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GWG
kylewm: Are your ears burning?
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ben_thatmustbeme
(backfilling the log) when viewing a single tweet in twitter, there is no way to see next or previous tweet
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ben_thatmustbeme
on his own site you can do that
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GWG
tantek: Has gone next to like.
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GWG
tantek likes on his site, and it POSSEs to Twitter.
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ben_thatmustbeme
every "Like" will permalinked from now on
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GWG
tantek clusters his likes
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ben_thatmustbeme
multiple likes in a row get collapsed into a single entry
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ben_thatmustbeme
hoping to get more and more post types working on his site
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tantek
Adam: is searching for a domain name to play with some stuff
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tantek
already learned some interesting stuff
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tantek
Diigo, bookmarking
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tantek
nothing to show yet
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tantek
Ann: same camp as Adam
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tantek
have been engaged with W3C for a while
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tantek
was the first person in Boeing to bring the web into Boeing
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GWG
Both Adam and Ann work for Boeing...
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tantek
long history with web, but not putting my own stuff public
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GWG
Wonder if I can get swag
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gRegor`
>^..^<++
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tantek
… and Amy is an inspiration for me to get my stuff together and on the web
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tantek
… thinking of my [domain] name is the hardest part
#
tantek
… on the other hand I may leave my job soon so it may be important to have my own website
#
tantek
… I could document what it's like to become a retired person
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tantek
Sandro Hawke - I have a domain hawke.org
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tantek
… but I haven't touched it in about 15 years
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tantek
… kind of more perfectionist about it
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GWG
Not good at little steps.
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tantek
… not good at little steps thing
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tantek
… but come here to learn about it
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GWG
He is aiming for something more.
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timmmmyboy
Speaking of Twitter archives, mine on Google Drive: http://twitter.timowens.io
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tantek
… I'm aiming at all my apps, every single thing on my computer stored on my owns site
#
tantek
… I want every click and everything I do on my own site
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tantek
… last time my project was to get my LiveJournal stuff out of there
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tantek
… and I got them out
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ben_thatmustbeme
timmmmyboy: did you see the cap for my video connector over there?
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tantek
… but I didn't manage to build a viewer
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tantek
Barry: barryfrost.com
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GWG
Barry Frost is now presenting
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ben_thatmustbeme
i really shouldn't care about such things
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tantek
came over this week from London
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tantek
company has an office in Boston so figured he'd come over
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tantek
dabbling a bit on his personal sites
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ben_thatmustbeme
barryfrost.com
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tantek
by day he is CTO of a company, does not get to do any hacking
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GWG
barryf likes to make things
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tantek
this (my site) was his gateway to making things, scratching his own itches
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tantek
really resonated his ideas
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tantek
built his own site here
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aaronpk
timmmmyboy: cool! could you add some info about hosting on google drive? http://indiewebcamp.com/hosting#Static_domain_hosting
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tantek
posting all his notes to his own site
#
tantek
rather than Twitter
#
tantek
and it gets syndicated POSSE to Twitter
#
tantek
all his bookmarks on his site
#
tantek
get syndicated to pinboard.in
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tantek
a bit like delicious and diigo
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tantek
ported all his bookmarks over
#
tantek
ported all his bookmarks and old tweets over to his own site
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tantek
photos - quite like using Instagram
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tantek
uses a service ownyourgram
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tantek
posts to instagram
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GWG
barryf ported from Pinboard.
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tantek
ownyourgram posts it to his own site [using micropub]
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ben_thatmustbeme
he is using ownyourgram and thanks aaronpk
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GWG
barryf ownshisgram
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tantek
it means he can still use all the features too
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tantek
and he copies any comments or likes from those services back to his site
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GWG
barryf likes backfeed
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GWG
Plug for Bridgy
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tantek
uses a service called Bridgy
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aaronpk
!tell snarfed this is very strange! http://aaronparecki.com/webmention/nyR6Eqz0 not sure if the problem is on my side or bridgy
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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fjh
is there a link fro bridgy
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tantek
and he also uses Bridgy to publish back to twitter
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GWG
brid.gy
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timmmmyboy
aaronpk: I wish I knew more about it. I had used this from a friend to set it up https://mashe.hawksey.info/2013/02/twitter-archive-tagsv5/ I do know they don't let you map a domain hence my redirecting.
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aaronpk
KevinMarks__: but timmmmyboy has a custom domain for his! way better
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fjh
thanks
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tantek
fjh - you can ask "what is" for anything
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tantek
what is bridgy
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Loqi
Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed as a service https://indiewebcamp.com/bridgy
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fjh
cool, thanks
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timmmmyboy
Yeah I'm cheating with a redirect :)
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aaronpk
timmmmyboy: just a short section about how you did it in that section of /hosting would be great!
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GWG
barryf has thr reply context on his site.
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tantek
Barry: I also post replies from his site
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timmmmyboy
aaronpk: Will do
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aaronpk
thanks!
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GWG
So you can see what he was replying/liking
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tantek
… I post all my replies and likes from my own site
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tantek
if I like a post with microformats support, I can get a snippet of it to display on my site
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tantek
I also do reposts, rather than doing a retweet on twitter
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tantek
I do it on my site
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tantek
I was trying to be precise about this
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tantek
no big admin interface
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GWG
barryf likes Micropub
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tantek
quite like micropub
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GWG
And uses it
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tantek
I publish everything using micropub
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tantek
now I can use any tool, e.g. Quill, Teacup, Mobilepub to
#
tantek
and my own tool using micropublish.herokuapp.com
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GWG
barryf made his own tool called Micropublish
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tantek
login with your own domain
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GWG
The code is on github
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GWG
He is now live demoing
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tantek
uses indieauth to authenticate
#
tantek
gives him a UI to post notes
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GWG
barryf syndicates to Pinboard.
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tantek
bookmark, content, title, tags, syndication options
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GWG
Note to self: Investigate that
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GWG
He's trying to like something now.
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tantek
demos liking a post from ben.thatmustbe.me
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GWG
We are all waiting with baited breath
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GWG
Oh....didn't work.
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tantek
didn't quite work
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tantek
may need a vouch or something
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GWG
Will investigate later
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tantek
the idea is that everything on my site originates via micropub
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tantek
Cassie: does have a Known site
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tantek
… has been organizing a while politically on FB, but that's kind of terrible
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tantek
… trying to get patients off of facebook
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GWG
Trying to get patients off Facebook
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GWG
She is not going to show the site as private
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GWG
Hoping to get new ideas to get people excited.
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tantek
does not have personal site, but does have personal twitter
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tantek
Curtis
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tantek
also from Minneapolis, like Cassie
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GWG
Curtis is up, he is from MSP
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tantek
took the indie concept another step further
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GWG
Has taken the Indie concept further by now having a website hosted in his house on a laptop
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tantek
also has his website hosted on laptop in his house on static IP!
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tantek
sensible.mn
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GWG
He has a static ip. He hosts the site right from his home on Nginx and Known 0.7.5
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tantek
it's not a personal website, it's for activism
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GWG
It is not a personal site, it is for an activist site
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tantek
one of the features of the new Known is that you can now post to FB pages
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GWG
Posts from Known to FB pages
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tantek
shows a post on sensible.mn and POSSE copy on FB Page
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GWG
Demonstrates FB page is is POSSEd to
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GWG
Uses Bridgy to backfeed.
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tantek
on the page he liked it, and made a short comment, through Bridgy both posted back to the original site
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tantek
definitely new at all this stuff and just getting started
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tantek
two things interested in
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GWG
He is new at this and just getting started. Two things he is interest in...
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tantek
having the ability to post PDFs
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GWG
He wants PDFs....due data requests from the government
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tantek
does a lot of data requests from the government
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GWG
Also would like to host that himself
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tantek
instead of scribd
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GWG
Wants to record videos and host them
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GWG
One last thing...
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GWG
Known allows for static pages. He hasn't done much with that, but he is trying this feature
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tantek
David is demoing now
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tantek
shows david.shanske.com
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tantek
WordPress site
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timowens.io
edited /web_hosting (+409) "/* Static domain hosting */ Add Google Drive"
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tantek
I am one of the people helping other people running WordPress
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tantek
I started out wanting to add a bunch of indieweb style tools
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tantek
I have a plugin called post comments
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tantek
shows WP dashboard
#
tantek
what I've added is a layer to identify types of posts
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tantek
lots of types of posts!
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tantek
all of the context is provided in the posting UI in some boxes, URL, name, author, author photo, publisher, excerpt
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tantek
syndication links in UI also
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tantek
I always post to my site
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tantek
and then manually POSSE over
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tantek
and then update the links
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tantek
the syndication links
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tantek
but I am prepared / working on
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tantek
using SNAP to publish to FB, Twitter etc.
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tantek
and automatically merge URLs from that plugin
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tantek
to the ones in the post put in manually
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tantek
also installed a plugin on email
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tantek
because there was one person that wouldn't follow him anywhere else
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fjh
where do you run the code that handles twitter interaction etc , bridgy, is it under your personal web site?
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tantek
so now he's POSSEing to email
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tantek
for that one person
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tantek
(fjh I think he's using the brid.gy service)
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tantek
shows replies
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tantek
shows a "listen"
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tantek
continues to try to test new features
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tantek
I test them and bring them over when they're not crashing the site
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tantek
not when they're perfect
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tantek
shows a Listen with song, musician, and album name
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tantek
site also supports micropub
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tantek
because there's a micropub plugin for WordPress
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tantek
shows a list of people liking
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tantek
had a facepile but deactivated it, but it will be back
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tantek
she is liking it by FB, which is surprising as she never uses FB and never likes anything
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gRegor`
snarfed: Another edge case with the fb2.x api is author URLs changed, so I can't use that to uniquely identify either :)
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rhiaro
email++
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Loqi
email has -16 karma
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tantek
there's a plugin Postmatic with beta
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tantek
where if someone replies to his POSSE email copy then it shows up as a comment on his site
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gRegor`
So I will need to do the u-*-of comparison, but I still need to add something to generate a unique md5 hash, since I'd like to use that as the de-dupe check.
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tantek
double-opt-in
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tantek
david now writes a note
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tantek
after getting sandro signed up via email
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tantek
david shows how new post will syndicate and to email
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@dshanske
At Indiewebcamp Cambridge
(twtr.io/xQiw8J5jbG)
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tantek
amy subscribed
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tantek
and replied to David's note via email
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tantek
it showed up as a comment on the David's note!
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, tantek is floored
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@fjhirsch
at #indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com , great demos of user-centric control of data, usability etc
(twtr.io/xQj8U0NT7j)
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kylewm
gRegor`: data point: I dedupe based on the source url only
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bear
so do I
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gRegor`
kylewm: So the Bridgy URL, or the u-url it reports?
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tantek
new people have shown up
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kylewm
gRegor`: the brid-gy.appspot.com url, the one that is the source= property of the webmention
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tantek
"aocrates" (sp?)
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tantek
and Randall and Benjamin
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gRegor`
Yeah, now that I think about it not sure why I include the target URL in that...
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gRegor`
kylewm: Ok, so you get duplicates with this new fb2.x nonsense
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gRegor`
I was trying to avoid those
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gRegor`
Up to now that's been what I've used, too: md5(wm.source + wm.target)
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tantek
bigbluehat:
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ben_thatmustbeme
bigbluehat.com
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tantek
bigbluehat.com is his personal site
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gRegor`
Good point that I probably don't need the wm.target in that, though
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GWG
This is Benjamin, aka bigbluehat
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GWG
He looks like a hat, according to him
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gRegor`
Unless in-reply-to multiple posts of mine, hm
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tantek
looked into URI / URL spec
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tantek
for email address like URLs
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tantek
custom HTTP header user-info
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bret
that second day at the w3c f2f seemed much more productive, bravo tantek aaronpk rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek.com
edited /2015/Cambridge/Schedule (-13) "do photos + lunch before session scheduling"
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bret
and mattl !
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GWG
curl is apparently the 'one true http client'
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bret
who else was there?
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mattl
i wasn't there second day. i got sick on the first day.
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tantek.com
edited /2015/Cambridge/Introductions (+78) "code of conduct step"
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rhiaro
turtle++
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Loqi
turtle has 1 karma
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bret
aww mattl feel better
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kylewm
how can a person look like a hat?
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ben_thatmustbeme
ninja turtles++
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ben_thatmustbeme
ninjaturtles++
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Loqi
ninjaturtles has 1 karma
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GWG
bigbluehat is exploring this as a replacement for webfinger or routing to openid
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tantek
teenagemutantninjaturtles++
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Loqi
too much karma!
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GWG
The hope was to fix the problem that OpenID, that no one could remember their OpenID URL
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tantek
php code for it is like 4 lines
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GWG
He believes it fits into Indieweb.
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GWG
I am thinking he should add it to the wiki
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@HongPong
RT @fjhirsch: at #indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com , great demos of user-centric control of data, usability etc
(twtr.io/xQjz8GL_VM)
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bret
Loqi is like a sponge that absorbs positive conversation and farts karma
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Loqi
woot!
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tantek
the PHP is on github, the JS and Python client went up this morning
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tantek
currently working on some middleware
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kylewm
what is middleware?
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bret
its like a lazy river for web reqs and res's
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GWG
The question is where you want to host the user data. It can either be hosted, or 302ed...
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GWG
It does not have to be an email address, just an identifier
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tantek
lunch: cafeteria on the first floor of this building suggested by Sandro
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tantek
MIT student center has more traditional food court type stuff
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AnnB
question for All: any ways to dump an entire set of photos from Flickr, with captions? (for a photographer friend who is on the decline)
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bigbluehat
GWG: all of those :)
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bigbluehat
oh...you're scribing ;)
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bigbluehat
there's also Friendly Toast...which is about 5 minutes walk
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kylewm
AnnB: I believe aaronpk has a tool. for Known there is https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownFlickrImport
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AnnB
oh cool .. thanks
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AnnB
I thought this crowd might know!
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AnnB
thanks so much
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tantek
photo time!
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timmmmyboy
aaronpk: Any idea why known.jimgroom.com would be failing Twitter and Github auth on IndieAuth?
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timmmmyboy
asking for a friend :)
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hongpong.com
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hongpong.com
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AnnB
so sorry to have to leave... darn
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timmmmyboy
aaronpk: Nevermind, we figured it out. Forgot social profiles have to link back to the domain as well.
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known.jimgroom.com
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bret
!tell tantek would you open to a PR that exports some of the functions in cassis so it can be used in node/browserify?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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cweiske
aaronpk, could you enable HSTS on indiewebcamp.com?
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cweiske
or simply redirect http to https?
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cweiske.de
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aakritishroff.com
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RT @jimgroom: Love this subversive culture jamming of the SquareSpace ad for IndieWebCamp by @aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
should probably move on to scheduling soon
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hongpong
i am going to try and improve the currently blank Drupal page. Quite a lot of the pieces exist, but aren't really organized
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snarfed
aaronpk: huh, weird. i recently moved u-like-of, u-repost-of, etc links outside of e-content. maybe it only looks for target links in content?
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Loqi
snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: this is very strange! http://aaronparecki.com/webmention/nyR6Eqz0 not sure if the problem is on my side or bridgy http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19/line/1426778606375
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snarfed
gRegor`: kylewm: re de-duping bridgy wms, sadly you might consider special casing fb. it's the only one (so far) where source, u-url, and author url have all changed for the same response
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ben_thatmustbeme
quite the interesting discussion of vouch during lunch
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snarfed
all the others should de-dupe on either source alone or uid alone
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tantek_
GWG, could you create http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/Live and add a link to the live feed / talky ?
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gRegor`
Yeah, I'm going to special case both twitter and facebook, but not sure how.. at least with my desired unique hash method.
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Loqi
tantek_: bret left you a message 50 minutes ago: would you open to a PR that exports some of the functions in cassis so it can be used in node/browserify? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19/line/1426782686315
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snarfed
gRegor`: sigh yeah. why special case twitter though?
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tantek
bret - sure!
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hongpong.com
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gRegor`
snarfed: Same as with facebook, the u-url is the post's URL, not unique tot he like/repost action.
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bret
ill try to keep it php compatible but ill need you to double check it
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snarfed
gRegor`: right, but source is unique and should work fine
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, i think we are all here
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kylewm
aaronpk: snarfed: I noticed the first time I sent the bridgy permalink through pin13's parser, it came back blank. Maybe an error when fetching it the first time?
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gRegor`
Oh, continue using bridgy wm.source? I suppose.
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snarfed
gRegor`: maybe yeah. fb 2.x api seems to be the only troublemaker
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gRegor`
I hadn't considered that. I was moving away from bridgy source URLs to the actual u-url. I'll think about it some more.
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tantek
bret - I think barnabywalters sent me a pull request for PHP modules or something
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tantek
so a separate file for Node or whatever other module / package system is fine too
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snarfed
gRegor`: understood. thanks for pushing on it!
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bret
you would be getting a package.json and a few exports.auto_link = auto_link; ... etc inside cassis.js
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snarfed
(gRegor`: also, just fyi, bridgy wm sources will often have multiple u-like-of, u-repost-of, u-mention, etc links, and no guarantee on ordering, so be careful if you always use just the first)
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gRegor`
I'm working on a webmention plugin for ProcessWire, so trying to be the most future-proof with wm processing... but maybe that's not necessary.
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@HongPong
RT @sillygwailo: Known was able to receive a Webmention sent by Drupal. http://r13n.com/2014/webmention-in-drupal I needed microformats implemented on the Dru…
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bret
(or whatever the function name that we want to expose is)
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gRegor`
I noticed that. I was going to ask why the same u-like-of shows up multiple times in there.
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bret
ill take a quick pass at it and you can take a look
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snarfed
tantek, GWG, etc at IWC: pls say hi to sandro for me! i'd love to hear a status update on cimba, any interop with indieweb, etc!
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GWG
Hi delivered
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GWG
Time for Barcamp style planning
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GWG
Etherpad is being prepared
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@HongPong
@manarth hey i am at #indiewebcamp Cambridge(US) wondering if i can help integrate vinculum module with indieweb, trying to help w docs...
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@pierreozoux
I love the search feature of @withknown ! This is so much ore convenient than facebook or twitter! #IndieWeb This .. https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2015/i-love-the-search-feature-of-withknown-this-is-so
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gRegor`
snarfed: For FB I could use u-url (not changed) + author name and hope two John Smiths don't comment on the same status. :)
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snarfed
gRegor`: ugly, but sure. or just remove dupes manually? you shouldn't keep getting dupes going forward, so that shouldn't be too much work
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snarfed
manual until it hurts :P
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gRegor`
true true :)
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hongpong
greetings benwerd
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benwerd
howdy!
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gRegor`
I don't mind manual. Guessing FB API doesn't expose the like permalinks? e.g. https://www.facebook.com/gregorlove/posts/10101553133480124:15
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fjh
what is link for public pad?
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hongpong
also, heres a thing. i edited a drupal module to extract out Facebook *page* content streams, ingest into Feeds module. I can get this out on github by tomorrow i think (GPL)
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kylewm
gRegor`: (it's not the exact same issue for like permalinks, but related)
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kylewm
some intriguing session slugs on there
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gRegor`
Ooh, Drupal. Might be the first indieweb user?
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gRegor`
adds /Drupal
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gRegor`
hongpong: When you get a chance, can you add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/Drupal#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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kylewm
GWG: that's me on talky
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gRegor`
Better audio on talky now?
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gRegor`
I'm the mysterious black screen on talky
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ben_thatmustbeme
talky.io/indiewebcam-alt for second room right now
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GWG
indiewebcam?
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gRegor`
Which session is in alt, ben_thatmustbeme?
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gRegor`
Intro to a/v? :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
thought-post
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gRegor`
Yes
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gRegor`
We can hear you :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
muting my laptop so if you want to talk, let me know
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gRegor`
Nobody appears to be taking notes there, though. Just created the etherpad
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gRegor`
jumps back to alt
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fahrstuhl
Do I get this right that there's no way to get Facebook liking and commenting on my website, safe for manual copy and paste?
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd... drinks from a mug "Matter"
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benwerd
ben_thatmustbeme: http://matter.vc product placement
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benwerd
(I feel like the product placement pirate in Monkey Island. Ask me about Loom ...)
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bret
GWG: are there active talky sessions right now?
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gRegor`
bret, there are two
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bret
just foundem
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bret
gRegornobacktick++
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Loqi
gRegornobacktick has 46 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
was going to lose power before the session was up
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snarfed
benwerd++ for lucasarts references! (i finished the grim fandango remaster just a couple weeks ago)
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Loqi
benwerd has 66 karma
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snarfed
kylewm++ for great reply contexts, even for silos, e.g. https://kylewm.com/2015/03/what-that-s-crazy-so-cool
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Loqi
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gRegor`
thought-post: The draft posts in my CMS end up just sitting there and forgotten.
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benwerd
snarfed: Run you pigeons, it's Robert Frost!
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: lol
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hongpong1
is there a good indiewebcamp linter? I would love something like a w3c validator for developing on this
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kylewm
hongpong1: like indiewebify.me?
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hongpong1
oh perfect kylewm thanks
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bret
hongpong1: unfortunately only super high level and low level right now
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bret
http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/ is good for debugging microformats
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bret
hongpong1: if you need mentions or links you can ask here as well!
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hongpong1
im just trying to figure out how i could work this into drupal. is most of the tags pretty much the same as official microformats then?
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bret
im not familiar with drupal, but people have some sites with super high indiemark scores using wordpress
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bret
(which is similar i think)
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hongpong1
i started the drupal notes here https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-drupal im getting access to the vinculum module that can do webmentions now
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bret
bummer that webRTC is so cpu intensive still
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bret
hongpong1: cool! dont forget to dump the notes into http://indiewebcamp.com/Drupal when the coference is over
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hongpong1
definitely
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tantek
benwerd: you still on talky?
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd, are you still on talky?
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benwerd
I'm not, but can rejoin
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hongpong1
yr getting props in here dude
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tantek
just got a great testimonial about Known helping someone change how they blog
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tantek
and helping them blog far more often
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benwerd
Aw, I missed it! Who was it? I want to thank them personally
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benwerd
Also, I don't see a feed at https://talky.io/indiewebcam
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tantek
co-worker of Tim Owens
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benwerd
thanks
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benwerd
am back
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benwerd
(Working in the background on an integration)
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tantek
benwerd is back!
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tantek
we're taking notes in Etherpad
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tantek
etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-thoughtpost
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@kylewm2
@steveklabnik totally agree on both counts. we’ve been struggling with this in #indiewebcamp. IRC can be daunting for new people
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bret
brb sorry about the part sounds
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hongpong1
can someone post our schedule on Imgur or something? i bumped my drupal thing back an hr
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gRegor`
hongpong1: The main etherpad? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge
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gRegor`
Interesting slack/IRC conversation in that thread, kylewm
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hongpong1
i mean the stickynotes on the wall
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hongpong1
forgot theres a padd too. i want to see the chromify thing, which room is that? interested in node
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benwerd
Alas, Talky is breaking up for me.
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gRegor`
I like tantek's suggestion of setting aside a fixed time (hour) to work on the *next* thing you want to blog about, and hone the topic down to the point that you can get it published within that time.
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aaronpk
oo blogging hour at IWC?
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gRegor`
Good focus practice
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hongpong1
which one is in room 312 now?
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gRegor`
No, part of the thought-post session. How to capture thoughts/drafts and get them into posts eventually
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aaronpk
good afternoon from Seattle!
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@dissolve333
Ben Roberts March 19, 2015 3:07 PM Shortlink Indiewebcamp schedule grid (btmb.me s/8B) https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/578634579247902720/photo/1
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sorry i gotta bump back drupal again to 5PM
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hongpong1
live video at chromify thing https://talky.io/indiewebcamp-alt
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats the schedule grid as it stands now
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or rather as it stood before
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ben_thatmustbeme
feel free to add that to the wiki someone
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@jimgroom
.@timmmmyboy is currently building a tilde space server at #indiewebcamp Be still my heart.
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kylewm
just jumped into talky, is the unix permissions conversation part of the tilde discussion?
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kylewm
tantek: thx
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tantek
since you start a tilde account with a ~username directory, with stuff in it and have to decide what you want private, share with "friends" (group), or everyone on the tilde
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tantek
organizer note: 8 people in the main room are interested in dinner
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gRegor`
talky alt has echo due to two videos, I think
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tantek
and 0 people in room 312
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hongpong1
is my chromify one echoey
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gRegor`
hongpong1: Yeah
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gRegor`
Shows two videos for some reason. Mute one?
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gRegor`
I jumped over to tilde currently, though.
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kylewm
the audio in the main room is excellent, btw
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gRegor`
tilde session is about setting up your own tilde server?
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does that fix the echo? this app confuses me thats for sure
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: could you help with filling out time rows in https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/Schedule similar to the 14:00 row from https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge ?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, sure
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tilgovi
Loqi: !meme abstractify all the things!
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aaronpk
tilgovi: sowwie, mems only work on the w3c Loqi
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aaronpk
i should probably move that in here pretty soon
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Loqi
I agree
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snarfed
thoughtpost reminds me of thoughtcrime
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snarfed
i'm guessing that was intentional?
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tantek__
snarfed ;)
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tantek
snarfed, it's also a subtle reference to KevinMarks's byline.
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snarfed
aww sad. i went to http://www.kevinmarks.com/ to see the byline, and it wasn't there, so i had to find it on https://twitter.com/kevinmarks
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tantek
snarfed, indeed. deliberate indiesnipe ;)
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tantek
benwerd do you know how why Known flips images? (sometimes?)
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aaronpk
i assume because some cameras embed rotation info into the jpg and others actually store the pixels in the proper orientation
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tantek
and then click on the image and see the "full" version, which is flipped
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tantek
that tells me that Known is doing something inconsistent
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bret
is it over?
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tantek
is what over?
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tantek
we're at 16:08 local time
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@jimgroom
Love that @timmmmyboy took @indiewebcamp folks thru setting up a tilde club. Here's mine http://indieweb.community/~jgroom/ with props to @GIFmodel
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aaronpk
really? not indieweb.club? ;)
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GWG
aaronpk: Someone had it
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aaronpk
whaaa!
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aaronpk
oh it's Joschi!
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GWG
Who? What?
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aaronpk
he's organizing indiewebcamp Germany in May
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aaronpk
i'm on mute
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kylewm
i like indieweb.community better anyway!!
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kylewm
timmmmyboy++
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Loqi
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benwerd
tantek: sorry, was stepping out. Flips images? As in mirror images them?
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tantek
benwerd - rotates upside down
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aaronpk
huh... i just noticed that there are three feeds added for my site in Monocle
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kylewm
more than likely it loses the camera rotation information when it resizes the image
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kylewm
i had that problem with redwind
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timmmmyboy
Ironically Known is the only site that got it right in the post whereas everyone else showed it upside down
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aaronpk
maybe this is what the topic URL is for
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tantek
benwerd, see: http://timowens.io/2015/indiewebcamp-cambridge-2015 and then click on the image for the "full version" - note that it flips
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timmmmyboy
Or any of the syndicated versions
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benwerd
I'm actually wondering if it was _taken_ upside down - i.e. the internal rotation was 180 degrees
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benwerd
We do take note of, and adjust according to, the EXIF rotation
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benwerd
I'll take a look
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aaronpk
all of them have the same topic_url
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kylewm
aaronpk: interesting, woodwind has three for you as well: http://aaronparecki.com/, https://aaronparecki.com, and http://aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
but anybody can say their topic URL is my site, so I can't de-dupe on that, or people could hijack my feed
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kylewm
i have a note in there to canonicalize them
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timmmmyboy
benwerd: I suspect that might be the case. However iPhone figures it out in photos app, but no one else apparently can (unless in Exif and got stripped?)
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aaronpk
kylewm: you should at least be adding the trailing slash to a bare domain since a bare domain isn't a complete URL
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aaronpk
but the http / https thing is my fault since I serve my site from both
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aaronpk
i'm not sure how to handle the aaronpk.com vs aaronparecki.com case
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kylewm
the / bit is already a known issue in github
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benwerd
timmmmyboy: I think that's exactly it. We deliberately strip GPS from stored photos (and store it alongside, in the db) to help protect your privacy - it's probably accidentally get this too
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aaronpk
benwerd++ nice touch
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Loqi
benwerd has 67 karma
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aaronpk
how does benwerd have only 67 karma
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aaronpk
benwerd++
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benwerd
needs to come to more of the meetings ;)
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aaronpk
or hang out in IRC more
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rhiaro
benwerd: come to Edinburgh :D
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aaronpk
or Düsseldorf!
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rhiaro
or both!
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rhiaro
I already met benwerd in Edinburgh once so I figure it can happen again
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kylewm
go to Düsseldorf and have an umlaut party
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benwerd
I'm looking at dates and figuring it all out - I'm not exactly on a high-quality salary right now so I'm being careful :)
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aaronpk
I'll bring all the Umlauts
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cweiske
äööüß
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tantek
benwerd you just need to ask for someone to be your patron for your art-making :)
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benwerd
Ãœmläüt pärtÿ!
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aaronpk
is trying to pronounce äü in his head
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rhiaro
like 'eugh'?
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aaronpk
depends on how you pronounce 'eugh'
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benwerd
rhiaro: it doesn't take much convincing to get me to come back to Edinburgh. And I have a high school reunion in Oxford in early August.
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aaronpk
okay i'm punting on the "duplicate" feed URL issue for now...
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aaronpk
but that needs to be added to the spec
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aaronpk
which seems like a +1 for writing PuSH 0.5
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benwerd
Hey, does anyone support OExchange or something like it?
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JHSheridan
kylewm or anyone else using Redwind around?
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aaronpk
what is OExchange?
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kylewm
i'm here, what's up JHSheridan
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aaronpk
benwerd: you can just say "OExchange is ..." here now :-D
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JHSheridan
We discussed this briefly before, but can you run me thru getting Redwind setup again
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JHSheridan
I've started a venv instance and installed the things from requirements.txt
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aaronpk
tantek wrote an email?!
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benwerd
OExchange is a simple web-based convention for sharing any website via any platform on the web. It is supported by AddThis among other services, and includes provisions for sharing services to be auto-discovered by browsers and other tools.
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@soapfanfiction
#OnTheSoapBox Check out #indieweb Superhero @MCarusoactor of @WINTERTHORNE1 & @DeVanityseries TODAY on @TradioV's @theradiosoapbox @ 5e/4c
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kylewm
JHSheridan: sure, you'll need to copy config.py.template to config.py, and fill it out wiht your database connection information (can just use sqlite if developing locally), and run run install.py to generate the tables and such
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JHSheridan
ah... that's what that error meant... sigh
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kylewm
JHSheridan: then uwsgi uwsgi-dev.ini and you should have it running on localhost:5000
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JHSheridan
Should have gotten that one myself
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tantek
aaronpk note date of email :)
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JHSheridan
You said you're having better luck with sqllite than redis, right?
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benwerd
tantek: I humbly also submit 'text-transform:1337'
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aaronpk
12 years ago? lol
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aaronpk
tehehe
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rhiaro
's contact page is currently at amy.so/cial
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JHSheridan
Sorry... I meant sqllite over postgres
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kylewm
JHSheridan: I use redis (for the asynchronous work queue), and the actual persistent storage is in sqlite for development and postgres in production
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benwerd
tantek: my faith in standards bodies is restored
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aaronpk
rhiaro++ that is an amazing contact page!
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Loqi
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cweiske
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rhiaro
ha thanks aaronpk. Some of the speech bubbles are a big ambiguous
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rhiaro
I'm ditching amy.so in september so I loose the cool domain :(
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cweiske
hm. too long.
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aaronpk
amy.gy is better anyway :)
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rhiaro
totally.
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aaronpk
cweiske: i think that looks right
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cweiske
thanks
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aaronpk
that's just response_type=id right?
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cweiske
but code is the same
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cweiske
not really
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cweiske
would be longer
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cweiske
but for id it's all, yes
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cweiske
same here in xchat
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@PinoBatch
@fedwiki According to http://indiewebcamp.com/Smallest_Federated_Wiki it costs $180 per year to participate in Federated Wiki. What am I misunderstanding?
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gRegor`
I thought there was a 'coffee' contact type on rhiaro's page and got excited. Guess it's actually bitbucket, though. :)
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kylewm
waht's up with that question about SFW; nothing about costs anywhere on that page
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timmmmyboy
AWS is expensive recommendation for anyone getting a small VPS. I mentioned Digital Ocean to them.
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kylewm
my bad, thanks KartikPrabhu (I searched for dollars and $, didn't think to look for cents)
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aaronpk
micro instances got cheaper, especially if you pre-pay for a year
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aaronpk
but yeah AWS is not really a good fit for stuff like this
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kylewm
looks like Amazon EC2 starts at $15 a month
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aaronpk
i coulda sworn it was cheaper
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aaronpk
still it's a bizarre ecosystem ot get into if you think you're going to just run one server
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kylewm
$14.64
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aaronpk
especially since now they are trying to discourage running a server with a public IP
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kylewm
aaronpk: sorry you're right, it goes down to $10 if you pay up front
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kylewm
i missed that option
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aaronpk
okay yeah
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kylewm
but yes everything you said
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snarfed
fwiw AWS has a year long free trial period
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aaronpk
I would actually actively discourage ppl from using it unless they have an architecture that requires more than a single server
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snarfed
also depends a lot on the person. i'd discourage VPSes altogether unless you're very technical and *want* to sysadmin
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aaronpk
it's just a step above VPS for sure
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snarfed
honestly for non technical people, blogger, wordpress.com, and tumblr are all totally reasonable ways to start out on indieweb
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snarfed
they can do own domain, mf2, webmentions, most of the core stuff
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kylewm
threatening to pull the future session!
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tantek
now that the future is here, it's less interesting
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aaronpk
lol wat
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JHSheridan
hahaha
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tantek
what is pigeon?
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tantek
what is libpurple?
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kylewm
pigeon is /pidgin
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loqi.me
created /pigeon (+19) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19/line/1426799172831 and dfn added by kylewm"
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tantek
what is the future?
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Loqi
scheduling in the context of the indieweb, refers to the feature of setting a specific time for a post to be published in the future https://indiewebcamp.com/future
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JHSheridan
I'm up and running, KyleWM
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JHSheridan
Thx for the help... klyewm++
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JHSheridan
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 140 karma
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JHSheridan
Running python3 instead of 2 solved a lot of issues... lol
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kylewm
JHSheridan: that's great! haha yeah I don't think it will work on 2
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tantek__
we're talking about different presentation for different kinds of posts
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JHSheridan
kylewm: you told me that before, but I'd just forfotten
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cweiske
aaronpk, this time made with an open source tool: http://p.cweiske.de/182
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tantek__
in the main room
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aaronpk
cweiske: nice
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cweiske.de
uploaded /File:indieauth-authorization-process.png "Made with the open source "sdedit" tool.Sequence code:#![IndieAuth: Authorization process]browser:Browser "User browser"webapp:Application "Web application"server:Webserver "User web server"authendpoint:Webserver "Auth endpoint"browser:3. Redirect to auth endpoint=webapp.1. Click "Login"webapp:server.2. Fetch homepagewebapp:*1 webappDiscover auth endpoint*1(1) webappbrowser:5. Redirect to web application=authendpoint.4. Verify userbrowser:7. Show page=webapp.Load pagewebapp:authendpoint.6 .Verify tokenwebapp:*2 webappLog user in*2 (2) webapp"
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pdurbin
ben_thatmustbeme: did you all decide where dinner is? /cc tantek__ GWG et. al
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cweiske.de
edited /authorization-endpoint (+45) "/* Authorization process */"
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tantek__
kylewm we are critiquing your reply presentation :)
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cweiske.de
edited /authorization-endpoint (+7) "/* Endpoint Discovery */"
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kylewm
tantek__: I'm reddening in shame
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ben_thatmustbeme
Pdurbin. We have not worked that out yet. I will not be attending and it's only 8 or 9 people
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ben_thatmustbeme
pdurbin: tantek asks if you can meet us here
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pdurbin
meet you there when?
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tantek__
pdurbin see location at what is IndieWebCamp Cambridge
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pdurbin
emphasis on when :)
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pdurbin
could probably swing that. same room as last time?
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pdurbin
sameroom++
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Loqi
sameroom has 1 karma
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hongpong
im trying to add notes but its hard to read the verbs https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-kindsofposts !
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tantek
like favorite share bookmark linkblog listen repost reply
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hongpong
thanks tantek
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tantek
thanks for etherpadding!
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@sleslie
@jimgroom love the expression "tilde club," ah it brings me back. Thanks also for ref to @indiewebcamp, interesting stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme
barryf, have a link i can click to?
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cweiske
aaronpk, can "scope" contain multiple verbs?
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aaronpk
multiple values, not necessarily verbs
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cweiske
comma-separated?
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tantek__
kylewm we're back to you ;)
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kylewm
that's really useful feedback honestly
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kylewm
it makes me happy :)
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kylewm
(and just a little embarrassed)
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kylewm.com
edited /like (-2) "/* Kartik Prabhu */"
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@GIFmodel
@jimgroom @timmmmyboy @indiewebcamp just to make it clear -- none of the ladies is me
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tantek__
OH: "but then you get into javascript, and no."
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JHSheridan
kylewm: What's your normal workflow through RedWind to do something simple
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JHSheridan
kylewm: like posting a tweet
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kylewm
JHSheridan: I have a bookmark for kylewm.com/new
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kylewm
and bookmarklets for Reply, Like, Bookmark, Repost
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JHSheridan
ah... now I see
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JHSheridan
I can login w/ indieauth, but it says I can only poke around in the backend
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ben_thatmustbeme
tries to channel aaronpk
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JHSheridan
I assume that's b/c of some static setting somewhere?
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JHSheridan
or b/c I'm developing locally?
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cweiske.de
edited /authorization-endpoint (+2958) "rework the complete page"
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cweiske.de
edited /authorization-endpoint (-1) "/* Identification header */"
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kylewm
ah JHSheridan, yes hmm let me look
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pdurbin
tantek__: jumping on my bike now. will try to get there fast
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tantek__
no problem pdurbin, we'll wait for you!
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cweiske.de
edited /authorization-endpoint (+25) "/* See Also */"
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kylewm
JHSheridan: it looks like you need to add it to the database manually, sorry
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barryf
(presentation example)
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hongpong
ah here's FontAwesome if you want font glyphs http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/
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JHSheridan
kylewm No worries, man... thank you for the quick help.
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kylewm
JHSheridan: update setting set value='yourdomain.com' where key='author_domain';
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kylewm
replace yourdomain.com with your actual domain
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KevinMarks_
Is there a way to put a byline in an hCard?
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tantek
KevinMarks_: did you see my site ;)
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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KevinMarks_
How do I view source on my phone?
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