#indiewebcamp 2015-04-03

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ben_thatmustbeme heh, i guess indieweb = having a blog to them
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tantek is this an unintended degree of "brand" success?
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@ade_oshineye RT @adammathes: IndieWeb suggests POSSE -- Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere but my AuthWeb philosophy is POYOSBCPEBTIWSTYAAX… (twitter.com/_/status/583784936051716096)
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@ade_oshineye RT @adammathes: Publish On Your Own Site But Copy/Paste Elsewhere Because The IndieWeb Spent 10 Years Arguing About XML While Social Networ… (twitter.com/_/status/583784957530746881)
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loqi.me created /HyperText (+69) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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@sanajanani @kylewmahan The Indieweb?! Pffft. More like "the dweeb in I". (twitter.com/_/status/583787811192569856)
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kylewm lol
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tantek wat
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gRegor` Hahah
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tantek !tell snarfed do you know anyone automatically/programmatically using Bridgy publish to POSSE to Twitter?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Welp, The Living Room isn't available for HWC next week. Wormhole coffee?
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KartikPrabhu works for me
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gRegor` tantek, snarfed: I do. I have a checkbox "publish to twitter" that includes the bridgy publish link in my post, then sends the wm. On success it replaces the bridgy publish URL with the syndication URL
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tantek gRegor`: what about for likes of tweets?
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gRegor` No likes yet.
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* Where */ Updated Chi venue" (view diff)
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tantek ok - that's what I'm working on - where there isn't an equivalent syndication link
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gRegor` That's my latest iteration, since Bridgy requires that publish link to appear in the post. I only chose to put it in the syndication link because I didn't want an empty/invisible bridgy link in my posts.
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gRegor` Before that requirement, my code would just take the bridgy publish URL onto the list of URLs to send a webmention to.
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gRegor` s/take/tack/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: Before that requirement, my code would just tack the bridgy publish URL onto the list of URLs to send a webmention to.
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tantek right, I'm trying to figure out a way to automatically include the link briefly
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aaronpk just read https://blog.engineyard.com/2015/what-to-expect-php-7 and realized I have 15 years of PHP experience and the author has only 12... now I feel bad I haven't contributed to the development of the PHP language.
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 5 hours, 48 minutes ago: oh interesting, I have bots logging from Slack, but they are on IRC, and thus get the text version automatically http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-02/line/1428004499634
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KevinMarks hm, on topic http://myword.io/users/kevinmarks/essays/001.html
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aaronpk nice header image
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KevinMarks I thought so
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tantek I don't see any header image
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tantek ok I decided to just put the bridgy link on my likes of tweets for the rest of their day
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tantek seemed like a simple hack
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tantek which now enables curling
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tantek to bridgy publish
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aaronpk KevinMarks: I liked your post to illustrate why it needs h-entry markup :) http://aaronparecki.com/likes/2015/04/02/2/
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aaronpk compare to http://aaronparecki.com/likes/2015/04/01/2/
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KevinMarks header image may be JS'd in
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KevinMarks should I pesos it to my own site with the fixed template?
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KevinMarks I can't see hsi template code in the app but could do ti by hand
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GWG yawns
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tantek KevinMarks: can you deploy your fork of the project to your site to show that it works in practice?
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KevinMarks not without configuring the nodeStorage thing it needs
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bengo Is there an indieweb pattern for private messaging? Email?
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Loqi bengo: tantek left you a message 6 days, 9 hours ago: could you expand on what is Kafka on indiewebcamp.com/Kafka ? from https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/580923671746871296 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-27/line/1427477877515
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bengo I don't know how to respond to this Loqi messages..
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bengo But yeah I can do that.
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bengo After I watch more of @tanktek here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNr0JNwsLy8
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@thelibstyles Bring on the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/why remove the web UX monoculture & run your own servers! = awesome. @ALIAonline (twitter.com/_/status/583823019266613248)
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tantek It works!
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tantek I got my Falcon publishing code to use semi-automatically use bridgy publish to POSSE likes of tweets to Twitter.
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tantek s/use semi/semi
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I got my Falcon publishing code to semi-automatically use bridgy publish to POSSE likes of tweets to Twitter.
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colintedford Wordpress appears to support unicode in urls now; I just scheduled a music post with a ♫ in the title like usual and to my surprise WP put it in the slug.
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tantek that's pretty neat
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GWG colintedford: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2015/04/02/the-utf8mb4-upgrade/
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colintedford Neat until I copy-pasted the url & got ugly mess :)
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colintedford Thanks, GWG. Do you know if there's a way to prevent the above behavior?
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tantek question is - did anyone get my "like" of that tweet in their reader via PuSH?
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colintedford Besides hand-editing my slugs?
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GWG colintedford: Well, it depends on whether everything supports that character, doesn't it?
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colintedford I pasted it into a text-editor that supports unicode, so I'm guessing maybe Firefox converted it when I copied.
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colintedford I can copy the character from the body of the past and paste it successfully.
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GWG It's hard to see where in the chain it lost the fidelity.
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colintedford Yeah; that's why I'd rather just avoid it 'til it's more reliable, even though the url looks cool.
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colintedford Er, body of the *post
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kylewm tantek: I got a ping for http://tantek.com/2015/092/f5 like 4 minutes ago
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tantek that's the one!
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bengo https://github.com/gobengo/bengo.is/pull/1
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bengo Anyone have a list of URLs I can subscribe to via https://monocle.p3k.io/
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bengo ?
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (https://twitter.com/jacobyjyoung/status/583154951230091264)
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tantek well now that I have that working we'll see if I "like" more things on Twitter since I just reduced the # of steps to do so
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bengo http://bengo.is/notes/
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bengo I now have notes!
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bengo +0.2 indiemark
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bengo (and tests to ensure that URL always serves"
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bengo )
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bengo And a set of TODOs :/ http://bengo.is/notes/20150402-notes.html
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tantek bengo: this looks more like an article than a note! http://bengo.is/notes/20150324-first.html
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tantek as does http://bengo.is/notes/20150402-notes.html
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bengo Yeah I consider a TODO a final release of URL structure
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bengo It looks like the distinction is dubious
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bengo well, not really
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bengo subtle
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bengo What's the most general 'category' possible? /posts/?
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tantek not at all - it's as big as the difference between twitter and everything that came before it
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bengo https://indiewebcamp.com/posts
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tantek sure
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bengo ok I'll file an issue
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tantek though I'd suggest avoiding a top level post type path segment
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tantek people have regretted it
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tantek what is URL design?
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Loqi URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design
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tantek bengo ^^^ see that for tips
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bengo https://github.com/gobengo/bengo.is/issues/2
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bengo My URL design is in alpha :)
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tantek hah. that was one of the things I stressed over the most before launching!
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bengo See my thought here https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bengo.is
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bengo from a few weeks ago
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tantek presumably you're going to support a few redirects?
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tantek to not break your old links ;)
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bengo Ideas
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bengo wrt [[URL Design], I think I plan for all of my canonical URLs to be of the form https://bengo.pub/id/{uuid}
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bengo Other aesthetically-pleasing links can point to that. This has some similar properties to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle_tree .
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bengo Could also support https://bengo.pub/data/{semantic-hash-of-arbitrary-length} for Content-Addressable Storage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-addressable_storage
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bengo Relevant Research: SimHash and other Locality-Sensitive Hash Functions: http://blog.livefyre.com/architecting-sidenotes/
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tantek since URLs are visible I see them as part of UI
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tantek thus more important to be user-meaningful than CS-abstraction clever IMO
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tantek but there's plenty of room for experimentation!
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tantek looking forward to seeing what you come up with
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tantek good night for now!
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Loqi night
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bengo The thing with discrete IDs is that 'edits' and versions of a post/article can be semantically distinct
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bengo night tho
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kylewm bengo: did you send yourself a pull request?
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bengo Of course
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kylewm ha, is that normal?
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bengo At work it proves useful. Gives a time for it to stew before hitting master, others can theoretically weigh in, e.g. https://github.com/Livefyre/streamhub-sdk/pull/292
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bengo You end up with a cleaner high-level change log of sorts https://github.com/Livefyre/streamhub-sdk/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
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bengo Guess it's just a habit now
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kylewm ah, that's interesting
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kylewm sort of a github hack
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bengo I'd love to get some gitlab as part of my web https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq
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bengo Then no github required
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bengo just git.bengo.is or whatever
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@kevinmarks @annapickard @chrisdesalvo http://indiewebcamp.com would love to help you (twitter.com/_/status/583905482684805121)
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@muhh RT @pfefferle: IndieWeb – Die Daten sind wir! http://notizblog.org/b/3ns (twitter.com/_/status/583907035063971840)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chris DeSalvo replied '@kevinmarks The reasons I don’t blog anymore is far too personal to expand upon here, but thank you for your suggestion.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/chrisdesalvo/status/583905803301560321)
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@kevinmarks "@LynnMagic: @kevinmarks oh, and drop the "preferred". just "pronouns"" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/583920093681164289)
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KevinMarks_ Take a look at @LynnMagic's Tweet: https://twitter.com/LynnMagic/status/583917979064119297?s=09
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@LynnMagic @kevinmarks oh, and drop the "preferred". just "pronouns" (twitter.com/_/status/583917979064119297)
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KevinMarks_ Take a look at @LynnMagic's Tweet: https://twitter.com/LynnMagic/status/583918289203568640?s=09
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@LynnMagic Why they are preffered is a mystery to me. I dont have a preffered name, I just have a name. Pronouns are an extension upon name @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/583918289203568640)
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KevinMarks_ Take a look at @Skud's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Skud/status/583919047558893568?s=09
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@Skud while i'm at it, i'm probably going to let http://mynameisme.org expire unless someone wants to continue archiving it. (twitter.com/_/status/583919047558893568)
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@kevinmarks @Skud I'd back keeping it up. Is it static now? I'm sure http://indiewebcamp.com would host it. (twitter.com/_/status/583921207780605952)
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fkooman is anyone going to EasterHegg in Braunschweig, Germany this weekend? I'll have a presentation on IndieCert!
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/Skud/status/583922635039322112
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@Skud @kevinmarks no, it's a wordpress site. someone could easily crawl it with wget or something and make it static though. (twitter.com/_/status/583922635039322112)
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/Skud/status/583922816849809408
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@Skud @kevinmarks if someone vaguely responsible-seeming does that and asks me to transfer dns, i'll do so :) (twitter.com/_/status/583922816849809408)
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Loqi [bridgy] Alex Skud Bayley replied '@kevinmarks if someone vaguely responsible-seeming does that and asks me to transfer dns, i'll do so :)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/Skud/status/583922816849809408)
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Loqi [bridgy] Alex Skud Bayley replied '@kevinmarks no, it's a wordpress site. someone could easily crawl it with wget or something and make it static though.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/Skud/status/583922635039322112)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@Skud I think @aaronpk has a thingy for that. Also @benwerd' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/583922943446491136)
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aaronpk !tell cweiske have you ever used php-resque? I'm thinking about switching all my stuff to use it https://github.com/chrisboulton/php-resque
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@dissolve333 By the end of today my indieweb site will be sending person-tags. Theoretically I can receive them already, but… (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/3/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/583981045546004481)
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snarfed kylewm: still stuck on the 63 mystery :P
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 4/2 at 6:01pm: do you know anyone automatically/programmatically using Bridgy publish to POSSE to Twitter? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-02/line/1428022905150
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snarfed my current guess is that it's a shard, or something similar, and their app-scoped-id converter just happens to be triggering, and they don't care
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@RikMende @Mediabistro currently twitter but working on drifting my habits towards #indieweb #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/583998709165338624)
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snarfed tantek_: yup, plenty of people. sounds like you too now!
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@dissolve333 Scratch that. Able to send and receive indieweb person tags as of NOW! (btmb.me s/8f) (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/3/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/583999914465599488)
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, its still posting both the shortlink and the real link for certain sizes
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ben_thatmustbeme grrr
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@Mediabistro RT @RikMende: @Mediabistro currently twitter but working on drifting my habits towards #indieweb #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/584003271968292864)
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, that was in reply to https://twitter.com/Mediabistro/status/583996131270459392
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@Mediabistro What's your favorite social media platform for your personal use? #MBpoll (twitter.com/_/status/583996131270459392)
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ben_thatmustbeme quiet day here in #indiewebcamp
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zachdonovan crickets
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ben_thatmustbeme drops a pin
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ben_thatmustbeme i never got that, you can't hear a pin drop, you could maybe hear a pin LAND though :P
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aaronpk it's still pretty early in PST
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aaronpk er, PDT
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, i suppose a pin falling could disturb the air just enough to create some vibrations
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ben_thatmustbeme no it isn't! its already 9
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gRegor` Not everyone lives in Pacific time, gosh. ;)
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zachdonovan maybe "so quiet you can hear a pin drop" is that you can hear the sound of someone letting go of a pin (which is, admittedly, a very quiet sound).
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gRegor` #indiephysicschat
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zachdonovan that is to say, you can hear it BEFORE it lands
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zachdonovan truly, a profound silence.
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werd.io created /Firefox_Activations (+1721) "Creating page, describing Known's experience" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /Firefox_Activations (+6) "/* Examples */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme not the letting go, but hearing the actual travelof the pin. similar to how you could hear like a cannonball coming.... just much must smaller
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werd.io edited /Firefox_Activations (+18) "/* Multi-domain shim */" (view diff)
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zachdonovan ok, breakout session to establish the acoustic characteristics of a pin at terminal velocity
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ben_thatmustbeme wait, we are assuming air pressure at sea level correct?
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ben_thatmustbeme wait, the firefox activations page shows an option for "notifications"
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ben_thatmustbeme needs to pay more attention to this
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@jgmac1106 I am just starting to learn about other Open and/or #indieweb tools that we can use for #digped such as @hypothes_is or webmitions, bridgy (twitter.com/_/status/584031190782468096)
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@krisshaffer @jgmac1106 @hypothes_is I love all of those! Do you know @withknown? (webmentions and brid.gy connection build in) #digped (twitter.com/_/status/584032421667934209)
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@jgmac1106 @krisshaffer I need to figure out how brid.gy works though. webmentions crowding the feed. (twitter.com/_/status/584033002352730113)
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ben_thatmustbeme @snarfed https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/584033002352730113
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@jgmac1106 @krisshaffer I need to figure out how brid.gy works though. webmentions crowding the feed. (twitter.com/_/status/584033002352730113)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, people are waking up now
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: yeah i saw
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snarfed not sure i need to step in just yet
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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tantek someone complaining about too much backfeed?
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snarfed wonderful problem
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tantek seriously
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ben_thatmustbeme its more like a problem of what they do with it
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ben_thatmustbeme they were talking about getting just counts of likes rather than like posts
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tantek Twitter figured out what to do with millions of faves/RTs ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme sounds like they aren't parsing the webmentions out in to different types
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snarfed tantek: basically everything except expose them to developers :(
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snarfed drops mic
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tantek lol. true. clearly they're all about the presentation ;)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#The_Most_Reposted_Thing
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: i think they're all trying known actually, not coding their own thing
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tantek wow that was over a year ago!
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tantek so, Known, how about some facepile action? ;) cc: benwerd
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snarfed (based on that thread)
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benwerd tantek: we're rewriting our whole front-end template. after that, maybe!
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tantek ooh!
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benwerd less "ooh" more "gnnnnuuurrrrggghhhhh"
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benwerd which is the sound Sideshow Bob makes when he steps on all the rakes
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tantek hey at least you *have* templates instead of just hardcoding it as a much strcats into your PHP
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tantek (ahem)
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benwerd :)
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tantek s/much/bunch of
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed, the #digped they were talking about using it for is http://www.hybridpedagogy.com/ i think
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snarfed ok
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snarfed in other news, the fb id bug/feature has stopped bridgy polling for a number of fb accounts for days now. :( https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/305
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snarfed kylewm: as a stopgap, i'm thinking of just ignoring those ids for now
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snarfed (they'll still be there when we have a more permanent fix)
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snarfed holler if you disagree
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, tantek, if you get person-tag sending working, let me know, I should be fully sending and receiving tags now
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tantek ooh! do you have a post you'd like tagged?
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ben_thatmustbeme well, almost fully, I don't have an interface to create tags for other's posts yet
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tantek (I have no idea how I'm going to author a person-tag, but I'll think about it)
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ben_thatmustbeme whatever you would like. I autoaccept for now
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tantek sure I mean on the authoring side on my side, like I'd probably make it a note-like thing, a reply at that - have to think about what the text equivalent would be
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kylewm snarfed: yep, definitely agree bridgy should ignore them
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tantek like some text hack like @-names or domains (comma delimited list) followed by " in " or " is in "
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kylewm i would've made that change myself but it was non trivial
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snarfed kylewm: sgtm. huh i actually hope it's trivial. let's see
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snarfed (my key concern is that i only want to ignore them temporarily. that should be easy though)
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kylewm non-trivial but like, multiple lines :)
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kylewm s/non-//
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: trivial but like, multiple lines :)
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snarfed ahahaha
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Loqi nice
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snarfed maybe there's a secret dont_suck=true param we can start passing to fb api calls
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, the test i was using was along the lines of "<hcard for myself> tagged <other> and <other> in <tag-of>"
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snarfed or i guess suck=false
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snarfed anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme i also added "... filed under <category>"
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: right, I'd like to figure out a way to tag it with first person speech rather than 3rd person
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tantek since by default my notes/replies get POSSEd to Twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme to make sure i could at least h-card uses "I" for its value
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, actually can leave the self part out entirely considering your likes are just "likes ..." could use "tags ... on ..."
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snarfed (kylewm: i'm lazy. i'm going to wait another 12h for fb. :P)
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tantek not to distract you too much but check out the 1st comment on the top link at HN home page https://news.ycombinator.com/news ;)
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tantek (maybe 2nd comment by the time you click on it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9316856 )
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ben_thatmustbeme hahaha, nice
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ben_thatmustbeme you are successfully started a thing tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme waits for the js;dr meme images
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tantek that's me, providing snarkfuel for HN comments :P
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ben_thatmustbeme should be your tagline
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ben_thatmustbeme Tantek.com, providing snarkfuel since ...
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tantek Never post to know for whom the blog trolls; It trolls for thee.
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snarfed as long as it's not snarfuel
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ben_thatmustbeme what is snarfuel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "snarfuel" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=snarfuel&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428081676486
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ben_thatmustbeme if you used teacup, we would know
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 61 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme *sigh* https://developer.cardstreams.io/docs
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tantek are you sighing about the js;dr problem on that page or something else?
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tantek the nice thing about js;dr pages is that it takes very little time to determine you can ignore them
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tantek benwerd++ for starting /Firefox_Activations
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Loqi benwerd has 69 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme no, api based on fixed locations
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed, Firefox_Activations would be a very cool path to go down
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ben_thatmustbeme is very curious about notifications option
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tantek one of my goals for the next few months is to get a micropub option into /Firefox_Activations
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tantek so that anyone that has a micropub enabled site can use Firefox to share stuff to your own site
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tantek hence making Firefox effectively a micropub client
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ben_thatmustbeme that would be really nice
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tantek sounds like we'd need to make a domain specific shim somewhere
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tantek perhaps on indiewebcamp.com
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tantek the same way that Known / benwerd created a shim for Known sites using withknown.com
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Firefox_Activations#Multi-domain_shim
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tantek I suppose the nice side-effect of that is we'd get an IndieWebCamp logo in there
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ben_thatmustbeme i rather wish firefox hello had a text only version as well
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@kevinmarks "@CommitStrip: CMS or Custom? http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/04/03/cms-or-custom/ http://t.co/jeVtPviW5A" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/584058295675064321)
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@lloyddewolf RT @kevinmarks: "@CommitStrip: CMS or Custom? http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/04/03/cms-or-custom/ http://t.co/jeVtPviW5A" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/584058519407570945)
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benwerd That is far too close to the bone
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: "@CommitStrip: CMS or Custom? http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/04/03/cms-or-custom/ http://t.co/jeVtPviW5A" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/584058657005895680)
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@jimpick RT @kevinmarks: "@CommitStrip: CMS or Custom? http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/04/03/cms-or-custom/ http://t.co/jeVtPviW5A" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/584058812111290368)
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@kennymatic RT @kevinmarks: "@CommitStrip: CMS or Custom? http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/04/03/cms-or-custom/ http://t.co/jeVtPviW5A" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/584059026125688832)
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tantek oh dear I think you could re-do the text in that with some of the discussions from the Social Web WG ;) (insert never-ending dialog about extensibility)
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ben_thatmustbeme Mozilla's Social API could really do for some more documentation
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tantek no doubt
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tantek easiest thing to do is likely to fork the Known submission and customize it for indiewebcamp.com - just got to figure out what the shim should do
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ben_thatmustbeme from the looks of it, I can write my own for my perposes. I don't need the shim then
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tantek right - that's easier
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ben_thatmustbeme purposes*
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tantek the thought was to get something for *micropub* into the directory so that *anyone* with micropub could pick it and get setup
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ben_thatmustbeme i like the notifications bit, but the whole status section is rather undocumented :/
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, that would be nice too
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ben_thatmustbeme forks demo repo as more of a 'look in to this later' button
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ben_thatmustbeme need something to work on for my train ride home tonight
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tantek nice
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, i didn't mean that, although thats not a terrible idea
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ben_thatmustbeme but i finished person-tag (for now)
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tantek awesome!
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ben_thatmustbeme any suggestions?
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tantek I was looking for a post that looked like it needed a person-tag
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ben_thatmustbeme ick, that needs some fixing https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/3/1/#comments
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ben_thatmustbeme still
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ben_thatmustbeme btw tantek, not published, but you can continue through via https://ben.thatmustbe.me/?skip=20 etc
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/3/17/4/
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tantek oh nice!
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tantek right we try out person-tagging even before we have figured out how to redesign area-tags
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tantek hmm - note that SWAT0 does not require area-tagging, just person-tagging
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tantek excellent, time to get to work on a plain text design for tag-of response posts!
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tantek e.g. "@dissolve333 great photo! I see @fjhirsch @bigbluehat @aaronpk @tilgovi @annbass and you in it!"
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KevinMarks noterlive will author person tags for you, in handy bbedit compatible copy paste form
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tantek i.e. that's the text I'd enter, then: 1. Falcon recognizes that it's a reply, marks up the in-reply-to. 2. mention of "photo" followed by "see" followed by a list (whitespace or comma separated) of @-mentions with optional "and/&" and/or "you" then add "u-tag-of" to "u-in-reply-to". 3. lookup @-names in nicknames cache to convert to full name / indie URL for original post. 4. send webmention to original post. 5. post POSSE
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tantek with @-names to Twitter.
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tantek slight modification to 2. - list would end with " in " ("it" | "that" | "this" | "your")
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tantek that kind of checking replies for "see" … "in (it, that, this, your)" should be sufficient to avoid false positive person tagging
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tantek then Falcon would handle upgrading the note from a simple reply to a reply+tag-of post.
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tantek That's my thinking off the top of my head
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, if it is a tag-of post, I don't include the body as a comment
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ben_thatmustbeme as i figured that to be a fall back, not a reply AND a tag
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tantek what about the "@dissolve333 great photo!" portion?
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ben_thatmustbeme no, that should be a seperate reply post
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tantek interesting, ok
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ben_thatmustbeme this way if tags are not supported, it will appear as a comment
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tantek then simpler, the text equivalent should only be an equivalent for the person tags
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ben_thatmustbeme figured that was the reasoning behind class="u-in-reply-to u-tag-of"
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tantek having both class names means there's a comment and tags
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tantek the comment would be in the e-content, the tags where ever with u-category h-card
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm
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tantek and the p-summary would contain *both* the e-content and the text equivalent for the tags
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tantek a bit odd for the summary to be larger than the content - however the summary is summarizing *more* than just the content
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ben_thatmustbeme really messes up the php-comments lib, it notifies only one "type" for a parsed page
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ben_thatmustbeme 'reply' or 'tag', but not both
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tantek anyway - that's more work than needed for a first test
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tantek that was just how I'd naturally have written a reply with tags
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ben_thatmustbeme i think it gets rather messy like that though, you could like, tag, and comment all in one post, which is... very messy
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tantek just making sure the markup would suppor that, which I think it does
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tantek fixing a library is easier
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tantek it's not about what you could, but what you would
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tantek hence why I said "how I'd naturally have written a reply with tags"
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ben_thatmustbeme i thought we had gone down this path before and we said there was a problem with tag and reply at the same time
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tantek I don't think there is, at least in terms of markup
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tantek it's not that different from RSVP+comment
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tantek which we also figured out
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tantek but that's ok, for now I can figure out a tag-of only post
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, and yeah, it would be easy to have it return an array of types
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tantek e.g. "@dissolve333 I see @fjhirsch @bigbluehat @aaronpk @tilgovi @annbass and you in your photo!" would be text equivalent for a pure tag-of post
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ben_thatmustbeme I do however support tagging people and categories at the same time
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KevinMarks aaronpk: if you can spiderpig alex's site, I'll pay the domain fees
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KevinMarks s/alex/skud/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: aaronpk: if you can spiderpig skud's site, I'll pay the domain fees
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ben_thatmustbeme <span class="p-category">w3c</span></span class="u-category h-card">....</span>
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tantek that text equivalent could be detected in Falcon as, 1) starts with @-name in reply to such a POSSE tweet copy from that person. 2) immediately following is " I see ", then the list (whitespace or comma separated) of @-mentions with optional "and/&" and/or "you", ending with " in " ("it" | "that" | "this" | "your").
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ben_thatmustbeme for example
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tantek sure, my itch is more person-tagging than text-tagging
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ben_thatmustbeme oops, well that second would be <a not <span
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tantek so I'd focus on that
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tantek I'd likely not mix the two in one tag-of post
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tantek but I'd very likely tag more than one person
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ben_thatmustbeme @twitterhandle is something i plan to add at some point
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tantek the use of @-names is purely an authoring convenience for me
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tantek though it does make the POSSEing to Twitter also easier
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KevinMarks should POSSE remap @-names per silo?
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ben_thatmustbeme well that would make things very easy once i get a centralized set of h-cards (h-roledex? :P)
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tantek KevinMarks: of course!
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tantek Instagram was the first to do that I believe
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tantek when you cross-post from IG to Twitter, they look-up the mappings in their UserDB and convert accordingly
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KevinMarks yes, seen interesting failure modes there
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tantek the failure modes happen when they don't have a mapping and just use the literal @-name
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tantek from one system to the other
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KevinMarks where I @ someone's twitter handle, and someone else has the handle on IG
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tantek if they have the mapping, it means you've auth'd into IG with your Twitter account, so they *know* you're the same person
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tantek KevinMarks: posting where?
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KevinMarks on IG
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tantek user error for using a *twitter* handle on IG
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tantek in each silo you must use names from that silo
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tantek continuing after step 2) above, 3. use "u-tag-of" instead of "u-in-reply-to". 4. lookup @-names in nicknames cache to convert to full name / indie URL for original post. 5. send webmention to original post and to each indie URL home page. 6. post POSSE copy with @-names to Twitter.
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KevinMarks this is why hashtags are better than @-names - inherently cross-silo
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tantek KevinMarks: different tradeoffs
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tantek though hashtags are sometimes used differently in different silos
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tantek looks up who has homepage webmention notifications working
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tantek hmm looks like we don't have much on that: http://indiewebcamp.com/homepage#Webmention_to_homepage
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you implemented a separate (personally viewable) stream for your homepage mentions right?
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tantek or should we call them person mentions
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tantek (seems more human centric)
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tantek what is a person mention?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "person mention" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=person+mention&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428089706715
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ben_thatmustbeme tags i do
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ben_thatmustbeme mentions of non-post pages are still grouped together
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KevinMarks careful, you'll trigger the debate that must not be named
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KevinMarks I have homepage mentions
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tantek person mention is a [[homepage#Webmention_to_homepage|homepage webmention]] sent to a person's [[homepage]].
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks though some of them are bridgy threading errors I think
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, thats not it. so if it was a tag-of post with my site as a u-category, that is added differently than just a mention of my homepage
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I leave it to you to add a subsection for yourself here describing what exactly you / your site does when you/it receives person mentions, and since when you've implemented that support: http://indiewebcamp.com/person_mention#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: how are you detecting "tag-of post with my site as a u-category" in your received webmentions?
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ben_thatmustbeme how? well actually, to be accurate, it doesn't necessary have to be of my home page, but I parse mf2 and just see if the reference page given is in any u-category and the post has a tag-of tag
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: how does your site distinguish homepage mentions vs. homepage tags?
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ben_thatmustbeme strictly by existance of u-tag-of in the mention/tag
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather, iff the post has a u-tag-of and my site is mentioned in a u-category, then It is a tag, otherwise its a mention
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tantek cool. does your site separate mentions vs tags of your homepage in your display?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes (though untested yet
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ben_thatmustbeme )
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tantek got it
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KartikPrabhu what is the difference between tagging and mentioning, funcitonally?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference between tagging and mentioning, funcitonally" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=difference+between+tagging+and+mentioning%2C+funcitonally&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428091210191
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ben_thatmustbeme KartikPrabhu: one says that I am a specific subject, the other might just be a random reference like "I saw this site yesterday"
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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ben_thatmustbeme tags are more intended for "Ben Roberts is in this photo/video/etc"
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ben_thatmustbeme i can see an arguement for them being the same
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ben_thatmustbeme but I don't want a notification every time someone mentions my site, but I do want it every time they specifically tag me
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tantek I can see evidence that they are treated differently in existing systems, thus reject the "can see an" argument.
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, what evidence? I was trying to think of them
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tantek Facebook, Instagram both have explicit UI for mention (auto-link) vs. tagging
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tantek both of which cause notifications, yet different notifications "mentioned you in" "tagged you in"
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ben_thatmustbeme Twitter @name is always a mention.
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, okay
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ben_thatmustbeme true
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tantek yes - except Twitter also recently added the ability to tag people in photos beyond @-mentioning them
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ben_thatmustbeme they are different notifications, though in Facebook the only difference is the media type, text is always a mention phot is always a tag
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ben_thatmustbeme really?!
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ben_thatmustbeme huh
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ben_thatmustbeme continues to work on his UI for managing (retry/approve/dismiss) failed webmentions
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tantek is still braindumping re: person mentions ...
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tantek what is ben_thatmustbeme?
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Loqi Ben Roberts Is a sysadmin and developer at a small company in Boston, MA who dreams of world domination https://indiewebcamp.com/ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme i should probably move that all over to without underscores
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ben_thatmustbeme but then i'll lose my karma
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Loqi yea
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tantek ah welcome back
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ben_thatmustbeme well it works, i have a method for managing webmentions without having to go into the DB every time
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ben_thatmustbeme much easier
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: please review http://indiewebcamp.com/person_mention#How_to_receive_person_mentions which I wrote from the top of my head from what you said and what seemed logically deductive, plus a bit of brainstorming for different person mentions based on what silos e.g. FB do
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tantek i.e. especially review http://indiewebcamp.com/person_mention#How_to_distinguish_person_mentions
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, not sure about the woking for how to distinguish
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tantek which part?
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tantek note the distinction between 1st party tagging, and 2nd party tagging
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ben_thatmustbeme so if there is a mention of your home page, its a person tag, unless the containing h-entry has a u-tag-of AND the link to your home page is in a u-category link
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tantek no
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ben_thatmustbeme ahhh, i see
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tantek u-tag-of is not required for 1st party person-tagging
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't think thats as important a distinction
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ben_thatmustbeme thats true
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ben_thatmustbeme good point
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tantek it's distinguished in FB UI
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tantek X tagged you in Y's post
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tantek X tagged you in their post.
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tantek ^^^ different notification text
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tantek there may be different trust too
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tantek like you might know X but not Y
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ben_thatmustbeme okay
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tantek or you might know Y but not X
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tantek and your site could distinguish those two
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh, actually, i'm wondering if i require that it check for u-tag-of now in my library
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ben_thatmustbeme doh
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tantek I thought I might be uncovering that ;)
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tantek note that SWAT0 has a 1st party tag as part of the photo posting first step
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ben_thatmustbeme phew, no did plan for that
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ben_thatmustbeme i did that code at IWC
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GWG I really need to finish this code. I have other things I want to do.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, what code?
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GWG Still working on what I was working on at IWC.
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GWG Trying to get it 'right'.
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tantek what it?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm always more of a 'get it working' sufficiently enough for me, then refine later
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KevinMarks suggestion: add a ping to javascript:window.location%3D"http://web.archive.org/save/"%2BencodeURI(window.location) to webmention apps
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GWG The location code still.
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tantek agreed ben_thatmustbeme - ship early ship often
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GWG I still can't figure out a few things.
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tantek This is a good place to ask questions. :)
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GWG tantek: I know. Trying to figure out the posting UI for a venue.
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KevinMarks venues are hard, learn from silo UI
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tantek start from figuring out a plain text way to do it - or just re-use what other have done in the past, e.g. http://microformats.org/wiki/dodgeball-syntax
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GWG Well, I figured out everything but how to indicate on a post what the venue is.
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GWG Maybe I should just exclude that for now and just get location working.
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tantek GWG, research and document screenshots of how silos indicate on a post what the venue is
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KevinMarks https://foursquare.com/search?intent=checkin
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tantek GWG, is this for "checkin" posts? or just posts with venue information?
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tantek for the latter, see https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Silo_location_examples
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GWG First, I'm starting with notes with location. I was trying to do checkin and posts with venue...but I think I need to start lower so I can put something into use.
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tantek sounds good - start with how Twitter shows location, see link I just posted
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rhiaro So yeah: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/04/micropub-test
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rhiaro \o/
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gRegor` On http://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch#How_To I'm not clear on the differences between the section "Webmention with Vouch support with async network traffic:" and "Webmention with Vouch testing support (not in flow diagram) with async network traffic:"
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gRegor` I think the latter is aaronpk's implementation
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gRegor` "approve source?" I presume means a check if you've already approved the source domain previously
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@mapkyca Heh heh, my UPS' now talk to me through my @withknown status tracker. #indieweb #indiewot (twitter.com/_/status/584128465961668608)
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aaronpk rhiaro++ nice work!
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@benwerd RT @mapkyca: Heh heh, my UPS' now talk to me through my @withknown status tracker. #indieweb #indiewot (twitter.com/_/status/584132672852623360)
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aaronpk Edit support too!
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tantek gRegor`: "approve source?" means, apply approval function to source URL, does it return true?
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tantek I see rhiaro has been busy
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tantek rhiaro: which micropub client did you use to post?
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rhiaro tantek: Quill - thanks aaronpk!
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aaronpk Some day my micropub endpoint will support edits :-P
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aaronpk Yay cool!
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tantek whoa - Quill supports edits?!?
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rhiaro And since Quill does location too I just enabled storing of that
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rhiaro don't display location yet though, but will do that tomorrow
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rhiaro I cheat at edits
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tantek rhiaro: good timing, GWG is also working on figuring out how to display location for notes
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tantek rhiaro: which micropub client did you use to make the edits?
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tantek (and it's ok to say "curl" ;) )
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rhiaro Still Quill for edits. If I post with a slug, it checks if it already exists, and replaces it
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rhiaro Otherwise I don't post a slug and it generates it itself
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GWG I had a more ambitious plan, but I decided to achieve an intermediate phase.
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aaronpk !! Crazy hack
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tantek rhiaro: so you have to manually copy and paste the previous content? or does it load that first?
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rhiaro nah copypaste
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rhiaro also I submit markdown
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tantek ah, that's the cheat. ok
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aaronpk Perhaps adding edit support to Quill is a good next step for me
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rhiaro my micropub both creates a markdown file with the content on my server, and turns it into triples for the triplestore , because convoluted
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bret could function similarly to how posse target discovery works
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rhiaro but actually it's only like 80 lines of code, so nbd
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aaronpk The display of location of notes on my site was inspired by Twitter and Instagram
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rhiaro yeah I was gonna do what aaronpk does for displaying location
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tantek rhiaro: storing both markdown and triples seems like opposite ends of simplicity / complexity!
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rhiaro ^^
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bret quill could take a url from your site, and it requests for the source material for edits
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tantek bret - no extra input required
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aaronpk bret: yeah that's my thought, I think there's some notes on that in the brainstorming page
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tantek it could just read your home page and pull in the posts there by default in an abbreviated list, with edit buttons ;)
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tantek because you already signed-in with your home page
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aaronpk tantek: good idea
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tantek Quill could simply borrow some Monocle code for that ;)
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bret yeah good point
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aaronpk Except it will stil need to query the MicroPub endpoint for the source content
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tantek what is the source content?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "source content" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=source+content&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428103611406
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aaronpk Since people don't usually write the same content that gets rendered in html
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rhiaro aaronpk: yep!
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tantek aaronpk: could it do that with conneg?
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aaronpk That wouldn't work with static sites then
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rhiaro conneg++
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Loqi conneg has 1 karma
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rhiaro oh yeah
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aaronpk Also there are many fields required
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rhiaro conneg--
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tantek true
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aaronpk Such as location, tags, etc
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tantek or do/should permalink pages have <link rel="source" href="something.md" />
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bret what is conneg?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "conneg" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=conneg&summary=prompted+by+bret+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428103701798
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rhiaro what is content negotiation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "content negotiation" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=content+negotiation&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428103711348
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aaronpk hmm rel source is interesting
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bret oh
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aaronpk Although I doubt everyone would want that to be public
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bret conneg would work, as long as I can divert to something that can handle it
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tantek conneg is short for HTTP Content Negotiation, a method by which a browser or other web client can request content of various types from a web server, and depending on what is requested, and what the server supports, it tries to provide the best it can.
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Loqi ok
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bret micropib endpoints can support conneg
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tantek shouldn't need an endpoint for read - hence the thought of rel=source
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tantek also - rel=source provides a nifty hint for spiders and exporters
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aaronpk My thought was that micropub clients may not know what type of source content the author writes (markdown, markdown dialects, html, etc) and so should ask for the source of the post in its authored form
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rhiaro Tomorrow might also use quill for deleting posts, by sending a slug with no content
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bret I could add rel=source very easily actually
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bret point to a hosted version of the orginal fron-matter/markdown
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aaronpk mediawiki syntax, custom templating thingies, etc
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tantek aaronpk - yes, and the micropub client could advertise what types of "source" content it can edit
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tantek in the HTTP GET request
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aaronpk rhiaro: heh I'd rather add proper delete/update requests to Quill rather than overloading the post function
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rhiaro aaronpk: yeah, sure, but for now..
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tantek then it would be up to the server to decide to just provide the source (ignoring the client's requested types) or try to provide the source in the highest quality of the types requested
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aaronpk Heck even the Wordpress editor doesn't know about all the different types of source content
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rhiaro Also by the end of tomorrow I'm gonna handle posts from Teacup :D
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tantek that is, a mix of following rel=source and *optional* conneg of that URL
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aaronpk Since plugins can define their own syntax things that get expanded
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aaronpk rhiaro++ then you can be friends with Hedgy!
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rhiaro aaronpk: what's Hedgy?
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aaronpk What is Hedgy?
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Loqi Hedgy is a bot that watches your website for food and drink posts and reminds you to eat if you haven't in a while https://indiewebcamp.com/Hedgy
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tantek that way a micropub client/editor could do conneg head requests on rel=source links, determine if it is able to edit what it gets back, and then enable/disable edit buttons next to each permalink accordingly
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tantek aaronpk, rhiaro make sense ^^^ ?
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aaronpk Tantek: I like the idea... But still not sure how that fits in with the need to return other parts of the post data such as tags, location, etc
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rhiaro haha, I probalby need a bot that tells me I should stop eating for a while
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tantek aaronpk - the assumption is that *all* (including those) parts of the post data are part of the source
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aaronpk Hedgy accepts pull requests
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gRegor` tantek: I'm not clear if that's an approval function specific to Vouch or just a general webmention approval, e.g. "I have this domain whitelisted" or "I've received webmentions from this domain before"
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tantek what is general webmention approval?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "general webmention approval" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=general+webmention+approval&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428104148811
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aaronpk Tantek how would you return that data with a Conneg header requesting markdown? Markdown is only for text content and has no way to add structured data
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tantek general webmention approval is the same as the [[Vouch]] approval function. They are one and the same.
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Loqi ok
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gRegor` What is approval function?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "approval function" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=approval+function&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-03%2Fline%2F1428104176574
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rhiaro so, I don't actually use any of the metadata fields in quill, because I already have my own syntax that I embed in the markdown
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rhiaro that I parse and store as triples
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aaronpk Except you will be using location soon right?
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tantek approval function is a key blackbox-per-site building block of the [[Vouch]] protocol that takes a URL as input and returns true or false as output.
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Loqi ok
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rhiaro Except location (already)
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aaronpk Oh man one more ✈️ then I'm home bye for now!
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rhiaro aaronpk: have a good flight!
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tantek aaronpk - all the markdown in storage demos I've seen have a header block at the top which defines all the "other" information, so that would be returned the same way along with all the "content" of the markdown
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rhiaro tantek, aaronpk: yeah, that's what I do
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gRegor` Well those two approval definitions confuse me more, but ok
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tantek and it would be up to the micropub client that claims it supports markdown editing to properly parse the header block at the top and preserve it / allow editing it
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tantek gRegor`: there is no "approval function" outside of vouch - the concept was invented for vouch
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rhiaro eg. http://rhiaro.co.uk/posts/150403-2255_MicropubTest.md
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tantek and for comparison, aaronpk? bret? can you share markdown source for one of our posts that includes the header block?
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tantek s/our posts/your post
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Loqi tantek meant to say: and for comparison, aaronpk? bret? can you share markdown source for one of your post that includes the header block?
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rhiaro yeah, my header block is arbitrary
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gRegor` tantek: So "approve source?" is the blackbox function you described above, correct?
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tantek rhiaro: by documenting examples of markdown header blocks we can achieve evolutionary convergence
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tantek gRegor`: correct
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rhiaro tantek: yep, I'm going to wiki my micropubbing experience tomorrow
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rhiaro but now, I need to go to sleep... going for a run in uuhhhhh 5.5 hours
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rhiaro damn. I had planned to get enough sleep tonight..
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rhiaro but who needs sleep when there's #indieweb
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bret Ya one sec
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bret tantek: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bcomnes/bcomnes.github.io/master/_posts/quill.p3k.io/2015-03-28-173-of-unreleased-ap.md
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bret https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bcomnes/bcomnes.github.io/master/_posts/notes/2015-03-17-kilauea.md
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bret https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bcomnes/bcomnes.github.io/master/_posts/notes/2015-04-03-clbp.md
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bret ty tantek++
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tantek hmm, prior art for rel=source, rel=DCTERMS.source
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tantek http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-source
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tantek (aside, rhiaro and I know to be quite skeptical of anything DC / Dublin Core, per cursory experience: http://tantek.com/2015/079/b1/dublin-core-application-profiles )
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tantek and rel=source brainstorming actually made some progress http://microformats.org/wiki/source-brainstorming'
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rhiaro hey, I'm not necessarily skeptical of DC as a whole! DCAP is a sub project...
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tantek rhiaro: would you like to random sample another sub project of DC next time we hangout in person? ;)
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tantek a-ha - adactio proposed rel=source in a blog post https://adactio.com/journal/6667/
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