#indiewebcamp 2015-04-10

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loqi.me
created /dog_science (+125) "prompted by pdurbin https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-09/line/1428623981336 and dfn added by snarfed"
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benwerd
That dog is my spirit animal
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snarfed
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 70 karma
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pdurbin
benwerd: in Cambridge I was telling tantek I think Known is pretty awesome and he said I should tell you that. so I'm telling you that :)
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benwerd
pdurbin: That's really kind! Thank you!
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benwerd
Oh, interesting! We actually eventually made the decision to abandon PHP 5.3 after all with few adverse effects, but it's still a very good point
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benwerd
(PHP 5.4 just introduces too many useful features)
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kylewm
benwerd: exciting that you launched https://withknown.com/convoy/ ! i didn't realize it was that close to deploying
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tantek
whoa!
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is convoy?
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benwerd
Thank you!
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benwerd
Convoy is a way to use withknown.com's infrastructure to easily syndicate from your own site on your own server.
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loqi.me
created /Convoy (+139) "prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-09/line/1428624916247 and dfn added by benwerd"
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tantek
POSSE as a paid service - well done benwerd
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tantek
what is a business model?
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Loqi
This is a braindump of business models that can support an open indie web https://indiewebcamp.com/business-model
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benwerd
hahaha
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pdurbin
benwerd: what are the main features you miss when using PHP 5.3?
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benwerd
pdurbin: there are various semantic niceties around anonymous functions in particular, but also the array syntax and a few superfluous but nice touches
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benwerd
(we use a lot of anonymous functions)
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frzn
pdurbin: one that I remember is not having a builting server
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frzn
built-in
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pdurbin
ah, so you don't need MAMP or whatever
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have successfully done deduplication of comments (i think)
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ben_thatmustbeme
at least it succeeded on one test
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ben_thatmustbeme
i just store syndication links for every post (and context)
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pdurbin
benwerd: but PHP 5.4 is new enough? you're not dying to only support 5.6?
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snarfed
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Loqi
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benwerd
pdurbin: Why stop at 5.6 when I could use PHP 7?
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benwerd
But seriously: PHP 5.4 is about useful enough, and old enough that it's pretty widely supported
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tantek
starts cleaning up the business models page - so much theory mixed in with practice
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tantek
Identity Hosting Services - sheesh - who put that there?
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pdurbin
huh, I don't even see a PHP 7 at http://php.net
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kylewm
release timed to coincide with Perl 6?
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pdurbin
"Christmas"
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benwerd
Nothing says Christmas like PHP
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tantek
what is Prowl?
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tantek
what is Prowl?
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benwerd
On business models, and in particular bundling, I'd love to see a few more indieweb startups that could come together to create an Indie Web Bundle
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bengo
yes plz
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tantek.com
edited /Prowl (+11) "dfn"
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bengo
How would one distribute an 'Indie Web Bundle'?
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tantek
what is Akismet?
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Loqi
Akismet is an anti-spam webservice from Automattic https://indiewebcamp.com/Akismet
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bengo
FWIW Akismet has kind of tanked since they got bought. A couple years ago we did an analysis of spam detection vendors. They performed pretty meh. Impermium was really strong, but then Google bought them.
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tantek.com
edited /Akismet (+82) "Akismet has paid levels"
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bengo
So now we do it in-house
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tantek
if you can add specifics? e.g. dates of when quality of service dropped, or when you stopped using them
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bengo
We never used them, just analyzed a few vendors. Let me see what I can share in terms of specifics and not just slandering them :)
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tantek
looks like Snowdrift is still vapor
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tantek
"a work in progress: public ALPHA — not functioning yet"
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tantek
going to optimistically call that one "in progress"
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tantek
since it's also self-labeled s such
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tantek
bengo - wow
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kylewm
what does 99% false positives mean?
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tantek
yeah that's what I was wondering
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tantek
Is Prowl a paid app?
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bengo.is
edited /Akismet (+688) "add some info about Akismet from some internal research"
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tantek
what is Janrain?
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loqi.me
created /Janrain (+58) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-09/line/1428626669096 and dfn added by tantek"
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bengo
Janrain is an Identity Provider (as a service) company based out of Portland, Oregon. Many enterprises use them to store user data, help with social login, and proxy requests to Silo APIs
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bengo
I've worked with them a decent amount. All to familiar with their solutions
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bengo
Actually... Janrain Engage is kind of like convoy... https://withknown.com/convoy/
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bengo
but b2b
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acegiak
GWG: did you still want me to test something?
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kylewm
unsurprisingly i'm curious about the teaser "And of course, it needn't be limited to Known at all ..." (http://werd.io/2015/convoy-is-a-new-kind-of-progressive-enhancement-for-self-hosted)
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tantek.com
edited /business-models (+789) "fix dfn, not a stub, clean up this page a bit, move some hypotheticals to brainstorming, make top section more clear about being for real world examples"
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bengo
kylewm, about the 99% thing. ignore that row. The '-corrected' one is the pass after we learned from their support team that we hadn't trained it right or something.
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kylewm
bengo: still, 68% false positives? like 2/3 of messages marked spam were not spam?
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kylewm
sorry, 65
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bengo
From this internal report: "The false positive rate, defined as the fraction of time that vendor incorrectly classified a comment as spam over the total number of such spam classifications."
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bengo
So yeah
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bengo
Where our own determination of whether something was spam was whether real moderators (customers of ours) had actually moderated the thing as spam
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tantek
what is Bridgy Publish
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bengo
Actually, from the report: "spam and hidden are those comments that were either explicitly banned by the moderators, or else classified as spam by <other-vendor>, with moderators taking no further action. Those comments are labeled with no, and are considered spam."
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tantek
congrats on the launch of Convoy benwerd!
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tantek
adding now as a real world business model (assuming you've already collected at least some monies :) )
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kylewm
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 71 karma
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benwerd
Thank you!
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tantek
wow just saw this: "respectful software"
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tantek
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 72 karma
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tantek
that's a great phrase
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tantek.com
edited /business-models (+293) "POSSE as a service, Convoy paid, Bridgy Publish free"
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benwerd
tantek: yes sir
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benwerd
(for now! we have plans!)
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pdurbin
secret plans and clever tricks
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tantek
for now I've segmented the business models page into real and brainstorming
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loqi.me
created /OuiShare (+172) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by benwerd"
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tantek
mixed into the real world section however are business models both for indieweb sites themselves to make money
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tantek
and for selling tools/services *to* indieweb sites to make money
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tantek
would it make sense to separate those?
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tantek
because it seems like two very different sets of people
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tantek
"I have an indieweb site and I want to make money with it"
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tantek
"I want to make money selling services to folks that want indieweb sites"
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benwerd
also "I want to make money by helping people make money from their indieweb sites"
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benwerd
there are a few iterations
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tantek
benwerd that seems to fall into category 2
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benwerd
I think probably yes
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tantek
just wondering if this "selling shovels" vs. "selling mined gold" distinction is useful or not
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bret
crap huffduff is fast: 50.76MiB/s
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bret
err huffduff-video
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tantek
benwerd++ shipping Convoy > going to IIW
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Loqi
benwerd has 73 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, btw tantek, regarding this having to do with caching nicknames... yes and no
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ben_thatmustbeme
'this' meaning php-contacts
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: just trying to guess at the use-cases for the plumbing you were talking about ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
well, i'm going to try to store all data from h-cards that i process when i mention them
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ben_thatmustbeme
so I can start building up contacts
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tantek
that sounds like a nicknames cache
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ben_thatmustbeme
to start, yes, it will be, but I plan to backfill it with dumps of contact lists from my email programs, google, phone, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme
and other sites, facebook, twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme
own your own contacts management
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ben_thatmustbeme
then hold my contact list in a webapp that i can visit from my phone (preferrably cache to my phone)
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ben_thatmustbeme
what would be really cool, is if i tag/mention someone on a post, it automatically knows to syndicate to their silo of choice
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acegiak
Oh, that's kind of similar to what I do
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acegiak
In my wordpress blogroll links I store a json object in the notes field
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acegiak
so when I type @tantek in my blog it displays as @t on twitter, a tumblr hilight on tumblr if the person has a tumblr, otherwise just a link to tantek.com and displays a link to tantek.com and sends a webmention on my core site.
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tantek
acegiak: neat!
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bengo
Minimal possible thing that advertises itself as indie but at least does more than https://npm.im/indie
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bengo
(Indie.js)
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bengo
I'll get https://github.com/gobengo/bengo.is using `indie` later this week, then evolve them both from there
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bengo
errr `indieweb`
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tantek
what is indie.js?
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Loqi
Indie.js is an open-source IndieWeb project that was officially started on July 18th, 2014 but has powered mowens.com since July 8th, 2014 https://indiewebcamp.com/indie.js
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tantek
bengo background ^^^
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kylewm
huh, one commit nine months ago "Securing the indie namespace"
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kylewm
that does look bad
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tantek
which repo?
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GWG
acegiak: Yes. I wanted you to give me an opinion on my latest attempt to make posting bookmarks/likes easier.
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: acegiak: syndicationt mentions reminds me of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/318
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snarfed
s/syndicationt/syndicating/
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Loqi
snarfed meant to say: ben_thatmustbeme: acegiak: syndicating mentions reminds me of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/318
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@LittleMxSurly
@LynnMagic a mail server is like a web server that will leave your soul a crushed and destroyed husk
(twitter.com/_/status/586357802995736576)
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tantek
kylewm: hmm - that's odd because mko did have a lot working on his site
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tantek
KevinMarks: sounds about right
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GWG
Slowed down a bit.
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kylewm
GWG: how's the bookmarking going?
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GWG
Kylewm, I am still where I was. I have a way to post bookmarks without going into the full post ui, but need to figure out what is next
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GWG
kylewm: Any advice?
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tantek
GWG, I think aaronpk has a good simple bookmarking UI that he uses
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acegiak
GWG: sure, what am I looking at?
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kylewm
GWG: aaronpk uses quill.p3k.io/bookmark
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kylewm
bookmarklet -> quill -> micropub -> site
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tantek
what is create?
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Loqi
create in the context of the indieweb refers to the act of and UI for creating a new post, in its simplest form, a new note https://indiewebcamp.com/create
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GWG
acegiak: In the github version of Post Kinds, you can now post a bookmark, like, or favorite by adding a query string to the website URL.
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tantek.com
edited /create (+308) "/* Aaron Parecki */ quill bookmark"
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GWG
This seems to work.
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acegiak
GWG: I'm already using https://github.com/acegiak/prepopPost to do a similar thing?
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GWG
acegiak: There is no form in this case. It just goes straight in and creates the post
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acegiak
oh ok neat
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tantek
GWG - even better
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GWG
acegiak: That is what I want to iterate on. If I like or bookmark something, just run a bookmarklet and it creates the post.
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GWG
Only if I get to commenting or replying do I need more and I can always open the post editor for that, or go with a simple popup form
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GWG
I know snarfed would probably say Press This does that, but it isn't customizable.
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GWG
acegiak: That's why I wanted feedback. This would add a level of seamless sharing to Post Kinds I want to get to.
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acegiak
GWG: I'll have a look when I get home this evening then
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GWG
As a general question, is anyone using a bookmarklet or similar to send URLs into their site as posts of type like/favorite/bookmark what have you without a posting UI?
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aaronpk
Yes, if your site supports MicroPub you can try it at https://quill.p3k.io/favorite
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GWG
aaronpk: I haven't gotten around to teaching the Micropub plugin about my Post Kinds plugin.
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tantek.com
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KevinMarks
Aaronpk I was showing your various posting tools today at iiw
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aaronpk
Sweet!
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aaronpk
Looking forward to catching up on the notes!
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KevinMarks
With known, woodwind, ownyourgram, indieauth and bridgy there is a lot to show
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KevinMarks
Woodwind is neat as a Twitter like UI that actually posts to 2 websites at once
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KevinMarks
Illustrates webmention and micropub together
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tantek.com
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tantek
hah - I'm the first indie rsvp to the next HWC SF: https://kylewm.com/2015/04/homebrew-website-club-1 AHEM KevinMarks benwerd ;)
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aaronpk
Pretty sweet we have so much of this working now!
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GWG
aaronpk: What does that mean is coming next, I wonder?
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aaronpk
Better and more versions of everything I hope
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tantek
Easier Better Faster
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aaronpk
Stronger
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GWG
aaronpk: I look forward to seeing it then.
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tantek
warning, another Bridgy invitation flood coming soon
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aaronpk
I still have to add realtime updates to monocle
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aaronpk
I'm debating whether to collapse them into a "[4] new" line like Twitter does, where you click that to show the new ones
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tantek
that seems like more work
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aaronpk
A little more JS, I'd do it all client side to make it easy
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aaronpk
Not sure it's worth it tho
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aaronpk
I have to figure out how to proxy websockets through nginx tho, cause I want to run it on the same port because too many firewalls block other ports
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kylewm
nginx makes it very easy
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aaronpk
kylewm: did/can you document that on /nginx?
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GWG
aaronpk: It's a simple thing. I did it in my hotel room in Cambridge last month.
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kylewm
aaronpk: I want to have, but I didn't. will now :)
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kylewm.com
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kylewm
did these invite storms ever have names attached to them?
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kylewm
wondering if that's a regression
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aaronpk
I can't remember if the invites did or not
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tommorris.org
edited /Prowl (+31) "see also: [[Pushover]]"
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@adambloom
interesting key messages/benefits with http:///mobileanalytics/ for iOS, Android, HTML5, Javascript #ownyourdata
(twitter.com/_/status/586552549722816512)
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@erinjo
I'm looking forward to talking to students at @MinervaSchools today about personal websites, @withknown, Domain of One's Own, and #indieweb.
(twitter.com/_/status/586557242972864512)
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kylewm
wondering if that's a regression
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kylewm
ignore sorry
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aaronpk
up-arrow-enter?
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@RikMende
If you didn't checked #indieweb you should definitely have a closer look to this rising movement ! http://www.rmendes.net/2015/if-you-didnt-checked-indieweb-you-should-definitely-have-a
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kylewm
aaronpk: you know it
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@javascriptd
RT @adambloom: interesting key messages/benefits with http:///mobileanalytics/ for iOS, Android, HTML5, Javascript #ownyourdata
(twitter.com/_/status/586559675400761344)
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@RikMende
#indieweb on #android - i need to figure out how to put this in place here and use #indieweb from my mobile ! http://www.rmendes.net/2015/indieweb-on-android---i-need-to-figure-out-how
(twitter.com/_/status/586561630256963584)
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loqi.me
created /MT (+25) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek"
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loqi.me
created /PW (+44) "prompted by gRegor` and dfn added by gRegor`"
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gRegor`
Did something change recently with wiki login? I have the "Remember my login on this browser (for a maximum of 180 days)" preference checked so haven't had to log in in ages, but this last week I have to log in each day.
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gregorlove.com
edited /Main_Page (+7) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ next"
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aaronpk
gRegor`: if you visit https you should be always logged in
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gregorlove.com
edited /Events (+0) "/* Upcoming */ next"
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gRegor`
I've logged in to both
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gRegor`
Let me log out and try again
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Loqi
[mention] hmans.io posted 'Als jemand, der gerne auf seiner eigenen Seite publiziert, sich für das IndieWeb interessiert und versucht, auch in Anderen dieses Interesse...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (http://hmans.io/zre039)
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hmans
That's right, Loqi
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Loqi
woot!
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tantek.com
edited /WP (+41) "expand disambig dfn to include options inline."
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gregorlove.com
edited /Events (+997) "archive hwc, update 4/04 day 2016"
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gRegor`
Maybe it's that it's redirecting me to http://indiewebcamp.com after login on https?
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@hmans
Womöglich gehe ich nur zu "nebenan", um @diplix zu fragen, wieso http://wirres.net weder h-card noch h-entry noch webmention macht.
(twitter.com/_/status/586584913895362561)
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tantek
happy 410 day (for those that use ISO 8601 dates or US style dates)
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tantek
is there a point to distinguishing sites that are GONE from NOT FOUND?
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snarfed
tantek: sites? not pages?
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snarfed
is this for /site_deaths ?
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tantek
snarfed: 410 ~= 4/10 (today)
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snarfed
yes, i know. :P i was replying to your second msg
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tantek
yes, sites vs. pages. 410 permalinks take a bit more explicit work, and thus we can (and do) use that to mean DELETED whereas a whole site that 410s means something pretty different
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tantek
in other post type (implied or otherwise) news, I just wrote / published a note this morning, then edited it to add one phone, then another, then another.
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tantek
s/phone/photo
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: in other post type (implied or otherwise) news, I just wrote / published a note this morning, then edited it to add one photo, then another, then another.
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tantek
one could say it went from a note post to a photo post to a collection (gallery) post
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snarfed
re 410s, i expect that whole sites returning either 404 or 410 for the long term are very very uncommon
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snarfed
so i wouldn't personally think too hard about them
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tantek
thinking more about https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_note_with_photos_to_Twitter especially as I publish more notes with auto-embedded photos
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tantek
and given this experience of editing a post repeatedly over a several minutes time period, perhaps even thinking about "slow POSSE"
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tantek
like POSSEing a note 15 minutes or an hour after I've published / PuSHed it to my own site
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tantek
(when 99.99% of all typical edits are done)
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tantek
has anyone else thought about deliberately doing a "slow POSSE" for that or other reasons?
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snarfed
yup, i do that sometimes
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snarfed
i don't usually have a crisp reason for it, but yours makes sense
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tantek
right, I wanted to come up with some real world use cases before documenting it
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tantek
being ok with a "slow POSSE" also seems complementary to "calm computing" design
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tantek
it's less stressful (more calm) if you know you're free to undo/edit a post on your own site as you wish before it gets snapshotted on a silo POSSE post
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gRegor`
Though readers may still have a copy.
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gRegor`
I suppose that's a different distinction, though, whether it's a slow post to your public feed as well.
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tantek
gRegor`: readers are likely to be getting it via PuSH, and thus all updates/edits via PuSH too
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tantek
however, given that legacy feed readers typically LACK PuSH implementation, perhaps legacy feed files are also a place for "slow syndication"
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gRegor`
I noticed a 410 of kylewm's yesterdan in Woodwind.
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tantek
what % of h-feed consuming readers implement PuSH?
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tantek
is it 100%?
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gRegor`
yesterdan, heh
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gRegor`
And what percent update immediately via PuSH as well
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tantek
that's something we should test - how fast a PuSH update propagates to a reader
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gRegor`
Should readers bump updated posts back to the top? Or otherwise indicate a post has been updated?
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aaronpk
kylewm and cweiske have been testing that
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tantek
great reader UI questions!
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ben_thatmustbeme
i would say notify
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ben_thatmustbeme
i would never want to just have my view jump
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kylewm.com
uploaded /File:fastmail-spam-problem-2015-04-10.png "Fastmail's spam detection is not good enough"
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tantek
existing (sort of) example - gmail bumps threads to the top and rebolds them when they get "updates" (replies/comments)
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gRegor`
ben_thatmustbeme: By notify, do you mean a separate area from the stream of posts?
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tantek
(not saying that email/gmail is a good place to go for UI - just to be clear)
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tantek
(that was merely a factual prior art contribution)
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ben_thatmustbeme
gRegor`: some sort of overlay or separate area. Twitter use "X new posts" or something like that at the top
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gRegor`
I think I would like it to bump up and somehow indicate it's updated.
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ben_thatmustbeme
G+ does the same but as an overlay
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tantek
gRegor`, ben_thatmustbeme re: "separate area", Facebook has the "globe" icon which gets a red number when things "change" that you've indicated interest in.
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gRegor`
This also gets into tracking read state, which I understand is tricky
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tantek
when you click on it, it drops down a list of "Notifications" (literally)
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ben_thatmustbeme
easiest way to see the change UI on twitter, search of a popular hashtag
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, but thats a different part, they have 2 layers. there is your stream and then things you indicate as more interesting
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ben_thatmustbeme
they have a different UI for the different lists
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kylewm.com
created /Fastmail (+639) "Created page with "'''<dfn>FastMail</dfn>''' is a popular web-based paid email service launched in 1999. It was owned by Opera from 2010 to 2013, when the original developers bought the service bac...""
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tantek
however that is what FB calls "Notifications"
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ben_thatmustbeme
FB is a difficult example as you can never see the raw stream, it randomly picks things for you to see or not
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tantek
ok Twitter then
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm sure not "Random"
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ben_thatmustbeme
twitter is a good example
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gRegor`
ben_thatmustbeme: The Twitter UI you're describing does put new items at the top (doesn't have concept of "updated" items of course), it just requires an interaction to show them.
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tantek
yet Twitter is a bad example because it doesn't do updates
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, i misunderstood
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ben_thatmustbeme
G+ just does it as a notification i think (if you had commented on it)
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gRegor`
I kind of like that "X new tweets" notification on Twitter, especially when viewing lists.
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gRegor`
Doesn't require a read state on each item in the stream, just the state of when you last refreshed the stream.
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tantek
really? I find it a pointless number (X)
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gRegor`
I like it as a placeholder. "I've read what I want to read up to this point. Now there's new things."
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gRegor`
I don't care about the count, though.
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tantek
but do you care if what you've read has changed?
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ben_thatmustbeme
G+ on mobile just informs that there are new posts
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ben_thatmustbeme
doesn't give a count
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gRegor`
The main list I use is a small subset, so doesn't update often. On the main stream it's pointless to me.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i don't know that any site does anything for updates to something you have just read
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ben_thatmustbeme
unless you specify some preference to it
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tantek
right, main stream update indicators are kind of pointless - they're always red
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tantek
it's like how the G+ red # is always > 0 when I go to Google.com (and really have no desire to know anything about G+ state)
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kylewm.com
created /fastmail (+21) "Redirected page to [[FastMail]]"
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tantek
it's just noise in the UI
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@benwerd
Lesson: much easier for students to install software into a subdirectory than into the root of their (sub)domain. #indieweb
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@mathewi
And thanks to the IndieWeb plugins I've installed, I can pull in comments from other platforms like Twitter and FB: http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2015/04/10/buzzfeed-isnt-doing-itself-any-favors-on-the-credibility-front/
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@Valleshopping
RT @mathewi: And thanks to the IndieWeb plugins I've installed, I can pull in comments from other platforms like Twitter and FB: http://t.c…
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tantek
agreed with installing sw into a subdomain, even if it is designed to handle the home page
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tantek
kylewm++ just noticed your venue permalinks, including their "feed" of references - very cool https://kylewm.com/venues/mozilla-sf-san-francisco-california
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Loqi
kylewm has 152 karma
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tantek
what is a venue
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Loqi
A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indiewebcamp.com/venue
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tantek.com
edited /venue (+430) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add Kyle Mahan"
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tantek
!tell kylewm how long have you been creating venue permalinks? Can you add details / permalinks (e.g. first venue you created on your site) to https://indiewebcamp.com/venue#Kyle_Mahan ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm.com
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KevinMarks_
reading scrollback
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KevinMarks_
I do "slow POSSE" with longer posts
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KevinMarks_
kevinmarks.com first, then after a chance to edit a bit, epeus.blogspot.com and medium
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kylewm
huh, Google Maps on my laptop knows where I am very accurately; navigator.geolocation is off by a couple of miles
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 20 minutes ago: how long have you been creating venue permalinks? Can you add details / permalinks (e.g. first venue you created on your site) to https://indiewebcamp.com/venue#Kyle_Mahan ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-10/line/1428695198156
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KevinMarks_
google maps may be using your phone location
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Loqi
[bridgy] Nate Hoffelder replied '@mathewi Thank you.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (https://twitter.com/thDigitalReader/status/586622757691076608)
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tantek
bret - the contents of that rauchg article are quite good too
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bret
yeaaaa inspiring
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tantek
it addresses so many of the common JS SPA anti-patterns
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bret
i lost it months ago, but aparently I followed the author on twitter and I found it again
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bret
tantek: whats a quick way to get the ordinal date?
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bret
its 100
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@HongPong
good explanation of content silos http://indiewebcamp.com/silo and why you need #indieweb in the long run instead. POSSE publish once, syndicate..
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bret
tantek: ok this should be good to go, unless you see any other issues: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/20
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bret
bbl meeting time
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KevinMarks_
friendfeed just died
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Loqi
[mention] Torsten Hartmann commented 'Als jemand, der gerne bloggt und seine eigene Seite zum Publizieren nutzt, sich für das IndieWeb interessiert und versucht, auch in Anderen ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (http://pants.morgvom.org/vna679)
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@eMERGENetwork_
RT @CaseofStripes: Data to the People! #ownyourdata @mickcorrell @eMERGENetwork_ The Healing Power of Your Own Medical Records http://t.co/…
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tantek
KevinMarks - worth blogging
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KevinMarks_
friendfeed.com now redirects to their blog
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tantek
and permalinks?
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KevinMarks_
yes, them too. it's opensocial style
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tantek
wow. do we need taxonomy for all the ways companies/orgs kill sites?
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tantek
Fifty ways to 404 your website
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gRegor`
Heh, redirecting everything to blog.friendfeed.com breaks all their image assets too.
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gRegor`
So the blog doesn't even have the logo
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gRegor`
Oh, it's Blogger. Interesting.
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tantek
KevinMarks: did you ask Steve Gilmor what he's going to do now that Friendfeed is TOTALLY gone? Since they were using that for "chat" for GG
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tantek
what is friendfeed
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tantek
hmm I wonder if we lost citations for the first like UI
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tantek
what is like
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Loqi
like is a popular webaction button and in some cases post type on various silos such as Facebook and Instagram (uses a heart ♥) https://indiewebcamp.com/like
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tantek
huh they changed the image link
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tantek.com
edited /like (+87) "/* Friendfeed */ update image link"
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tantek
no actual (perma)links to FF posts
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tantek
from enwp.org/FriendFeed "Bloggers writing about FriendFeed said that this service addresses the shortcomings of social media services which exclusively facilitate tracking of their own members' social media activities on that particular social media service, whereas FriendFeed provided the facility to track these activities (such as posting on [[blogs]], [[Twitter]], and [[Flickr]]) across a broad range of different soci
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tantek
networks."
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tantek
sound familiary? ***track these activities (such as posting on [[blogs]], [[Twitter]], and [[Flickr]]) across a broad range of different social networks.***
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tantek
s/familiary/familiar
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: sound familiar? ***track these activities (such as posting on [[blogs]], [[Twitter]], and [[Flickr]]) across a broad range of different social networks.***
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@atomicules
Further #indieweb work: Now have basis of photo syndication to flickr working. Likely to be months until I get to put into practice though.
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@kevinmarks
“tl;DR: Server rendering is not about SEO, it’s about performance.” @rauchg http://rauchg.com/2014/7-principles-of-rich-web-applications/ #indieweb
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