#indiewebcamp 2015-04-16

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KevinMarks it doesn't draw the button
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KevinMarks wow
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kylewm what is Will someone?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Will someone" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Will+someone&summary=prompted+by+kylewm+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-15%2Fline%2F1429142989101
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KevinMarks will someone is an app from Alynd to share todo items. http://willsomeone.com
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loqi.me created /will_someone (+104) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-15/line/1429142989101 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks extracted the button html+css from the iframe. grr. http://app.willsomeone.com/static/button.html
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@NoizIvy RT @NZN: #indie #indieweb @indie are some of most important concept markers these days..tools/methods supporting them need much love..#sust… (twitter.com/_/status/588516803472592896)
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@acegiak oh hey, look. I can use http://queryfeed.net to add twitter feeds to my Indieweb reader WhisperFollow - http://acegiak.net/2015/04/16/10256/ (twitter.com/_/status/588535531723567104)
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aaronpk i'm not convinced that a reader interface that is actually part of your own website is actually a useful thing
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aaronpk as long as the reader stores things on your own website (posts likes to your site, etc) then I think that's fine
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acegiak aaronpk: I agree. there's nothing inherently advantageous to hosting your own reader if you can use another to post to your own site
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Loqi acegiak: KevinMarks_ left you a message on 4/14 at 1:18am: do the youtube feeds work in unmung.com ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-14/line/1428999532059
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aaronpk the distinction between hosting your own reader and using a hosted reader is tangential, since in both cases the reader is not part of your own site
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aaronpk being able to host your own reader is important, but should not be required or even necessarily encouraged. as long as readers behave well by posting things to your site, and as long as there are multiple options for hosted readers to use, then using a hosted reader shouldn't be an issue
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acegiak yeah. I think one of the reasons I like the idea of whisperfollow is that I like the idea of being able to deploy a wordpress indieweb solution complete with personal reader
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acegiak but the problem is that whisperfollow is actually awful code because all I've done is focus on the UX
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk integrated readers are great, and wordpress is definitely pushing that model, but I don't think that is necessarily a requirement or goal everyone needs to strive for
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acegiak no, but when I want to pitch someone on indieweb I talk a lot owning your own stuff and not being beholden to the shitty design or facebook or tumblr
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aaronpk right, so allowing new players to come along and create beautiful interfaces to read and post content should be encouraged, and I should be able to use those interfaces with my existing website, not needing to replace the code that runs on aaronparecki.com
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acegiak so it makes sense to demo a reader built into my site rather than woodwind or any of the others which are almost definitely better softeware than whisperfollow but feel disconnected from the experience I'm talking aout
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acegiak this true.
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acegiak and I can use those other readers and they work pretty well with my site
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aaronpk having both options is the best situation
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acegiak agreed
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acegiak KevinMarks: It doesn't embed the video
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snarfed aaronpk++ and
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snarfed acegiak++ for acknowledging that we don't necessarily have to host our own readers
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Loqi aaronpk has 763 karma
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Loqi acegiak has 17 karma
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snarfed (at least the service part)
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snarfed same with other apps we use
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snarfed and huh, acegiak, have i not evangelized https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ to you before?
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snarfed my bad :P
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cweiske there is a second google PuSH server; pubsubhubbub-qa.appspot.com - the normal one is pubsubhubbub.appspot.com
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cweiske and a google search for this domain leads 0 results
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KevinMarks__ Did you get pubsubhubbub.club to host an indie one?
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cweiske what do you mean?
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cweiske I am hosting my own indie push server
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cweiske this is why I noticed the google QA server
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cweiske everyone can use http://phubb.cweiske.de/hub.php
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cweiske if he accepts that I'm developing that one and that it can break anytime
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cweiske although I'm using it myself and thus are interested in its stable functioning
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cweiske I wonder why google's hub and feedly only subscribe for a day, and not longer
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cweiske kylewm, woodwind also only subscribes for a day. why?
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@voxpelli @HugoGiraudel Fragmention URL can link to anything in a page at least: https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention Works with external comments like WebMentions (twitter.com/_/status/588605654136291328)
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fkooman indiecert.net is back online, the host got compromised through the management console of the VM platform, w00ps :) using reissued TLS cert now and all should be in perfect working order again :)
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@diplix @moschlar ja. POSSE statt PESOS. https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE https://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/588622194596401152)
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cweiske fkooman, what do you say to the feature request about allowing certificates that are issued by the same issuer that the website is?
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fkooman cweiske, i commented on the github issue
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fkooman https://github.com/fkooman/indiecert/issues/11
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cweiske I think it's not about the same secret
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cweiske oh, bengo proposed that
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fkooman cweiske, yeah, maybe i am misunderstanding it... can you explain?
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cweiske that's strange, yep
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cweiske but if I have my own CA
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cweiske one that's not trusted by anyone but me
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cweiske and my website's cert is signed by this CA
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cweiske and my client cert is signed by that CA
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cweiske shouldn't that CA be used as common trust point?
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fkooman cweiske, it sounds that it is still vulnerable to MITM
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cweiske why?
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cweiske who is MITMd?
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fkooman the traffic between indiecert and your website
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fkooman i think the only part of TLS with client certificate you can trust is 'proof of secret key'
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cweiske I still don't understand the attack vector
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fkooman i could generate a CA + client cert and put the CA on your MITMed homepage
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fkooman what binds your client cert to the CA?
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cweiske it's signed by the CA
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cweiske isn't it?
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fkooman yeah but I can make a CA and sign your public key
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cweiske but the user will not pass that key to indiecert
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cweiske because he has it in his browser already
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fkooman no, but because you can't verify the fingerprint on your homepage in a trusted way...
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fkooman i could run a https proxy with a cert signed with my ca in between indiecert and your homepage
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cweiske I assume that the user got his client cert on a not MITMd way
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fkooman and put the fingerprint of your public key signed with my ca on your mitmed homepage
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cweiske so the user's certificate can be trusted, and the user's certificate is signed by his own CA
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fkooman maybe you are right
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cweiske so indiecert gets now the user's client cert
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cweiske if the connection between indiecert and the user's homepage is MITM'd, the comparison of the CA of both the client cert and the website's cert would fail
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fkooman but then another attack: what stops me from claiming other websites as my identity?
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cweiske could you please elaborate with an example?
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fkooman i have this setup and also sign cweiske.de with my CA...
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fkooman and MITM the traffic between indiecert.net and cweiske.de
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fkooman *suppose i have this setup
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cweiske the result would be that indiecert.net would certify to the application you want to sign into that you are cweiske.de
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fkooman exactly, which is a problem if i am not cweiske :)
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cweiske and this works if you MITM the connection between indiecert and cweiske.de
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fkooman yep
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fkooman which is the whole reason to implement https to make that impossible
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cweiske hm.
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cweiske ok.
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fkooman i think the only way to fix this is to implement an additional white list of CAs and link them to domains, so { "cweiske-ca.crt": [ "cweiske.de", "www.cweiske.de" ], 'bengo-ca.crt": [ "bengo.is"]}
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fkooman but then there needs to be a channel for me to make sure the ca file you send me is actually you :)
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cweiske you simply store the used CA the first time that cweiske.de tries to log in
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cweiske TOFU, trust on first use
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fkooman yeah, but then there is no need for a CA at all
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fkooman just use self signed certs
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cweiske finally
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cweiske we've reached that goal :)
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fkooman i mean, indiecert.net could even display the fingerprint of your server's tls cert
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fkooman like ssh does
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fkooman so you can check if :)
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fkooman but i am not sure it is worth it to build that :) with letsencrypt coming soon and stuff :) what do you think?
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cweiske yes, with letsencrypt everything will be fine
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fkooman i am actually not that optimistic about it, it will not be easy to deploy on most hosters...only if you run your own VM
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cweiske I bet most hosters will implement it sooner or later
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fkooman but for stuff like indiehosters it is perfect :)
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cweiske you'll have a button
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fkooman there should be no button... :)
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cweiske yep
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fkooman cweiske, also have to deal with revocation... complex shit :)
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cweiske can you revoke ssh certificates?
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fkooman you can remove it from ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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fkooman so you have to also build the ability to remove the 'pins' from indiecert.net
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cweiske yep
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fkooman and that has to be bound to a user again...but how do you login
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cweiske or at least warn the user that it changed, with a confirmation button
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fkooman actually it still wouldn't work
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cweiske you can use the client cert ca + serial as key
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cweiske for pre-login
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fkooman how do you bind it to a user without knowing for sure who he is
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fkooman so you need to maintain users with both the domain, and with just the cert as identity
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cweiske yep. running a login service isn't easy :)
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fkooman but then still you can mitm the thing :(
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fkooman i think there is no reasonable way to build this without substantial work and a million ways to shoot yourself in the foot
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fkooman it will be an exercise on "how to rebuild the PKI"
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cweiske will letsencrypt sign client certs?
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fkooman maybe, but i doubt they will include a domain name in the SAN :-)
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fkooman they could do that for webid stuff, but webid also doesn't use a CA :)
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fkooman cweiske, https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=cweiske.de you still have some issues, you accept RC4 and no PFS :)
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cweiske I don't advertise/endorse the ssl connection anyway since nearly no browser trusts CAcert
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fkooman that is not a good excuse :)
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cweiske did someone try to built and alternative to twitter that simply syndicates all user's notes/blog posts? with push support, so one does not have to rely on twitter to get notified about new posts with interesting hash tags?
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cweiske s/lt/ld/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: did someone try to build and aldernative to twitter that simply syndicates all user's notes/blog posts? with push support, so one does not have to rely on twitter to get notified about new posts with interesting hash tags?
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk lol I had forgotten I registered pubsubhubbub.club
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cweiske didn't you want to build some kind of planet software for push-enabled sites?
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aaronpk that sounds right
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aaronpk that sounds better than running a community hub
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cweiske which is nearly like what I asked for this morning
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cweiske did someone try to built and alternative to twitter that simply syndicates all user's notes/blog posts? with push support, so one does not have to rely on twitter to get notified about new posts with interesting hash tags?
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aaronpk if pubsubhubbub.club subscribes to people's hubs, and then publishes out feeds of its own for hashtags, you could subscribe to something like pubsubhubbub.club/indieweb to find community content with that hashtag
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cweiske yep
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cweiske exactly
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aaronpk i like that
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lukasrosenstock.net edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+512) "/* Participants */ Added myself to list." (view diff)
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aaronpk i think i'm gonna call it "PubClub" for short
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aaronpk that'll be great cause then I can finally get realtime #indieweb non-twitter content into this channel
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dariusdunlap Nice idea, aaronpk and cweiske on the PuSH.club…
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aaronpk documented https://github.com/aaronpk/PubSubHubbub.club/issues
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aaronpk feel free to add notes/ideas
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aaronpk oh I just realized I need to be more proactive about re-subscribing to feeds in monocle
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cweiske I just discovered the xmpp push bot at http://push-bot.appspot.com/ and tried it with phubb
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cweiske http://tmp.cweiske.de/phubb-woodwind-xmppbot.ogv
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aaronpk oh yeah I forgot about that!
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cweiske that's instant notification
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cweiske I'm a bit impressed
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aaronpk wow
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cweiske kylewm, it's woodwind which is slow :)
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cweiske phubb is fast enough if you look at the xmpp window
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aaronpk i should get realtime updates in monocle so you can try there
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aaronpk twitter didn't used to put the photos above the text in tweets did they?
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aaronpk oh funny it's only above the text in the stream view, not on individual tweets
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KevinMarks i think benward blogged about that yesterday
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KevinMarks https://blog.twitter.com/2015/embedded-tweets-redesigned-for-the-modern-web
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aaronpk oh hey kylewm deleted a post and monocle successfully emptied the post but didn't remove the entry fro mthe list
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gRegor` https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/588740029138268160
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@matthew_d_green Don't tweet about hacking airplanes... while onboard an airplane. https://twitter.com/pukingmonkey/status/588735318913851392 (twitter.com/_/status/588740029138268160)
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kylewm Aaronpk: if it's the post I'm thinking of, it was blank to begin with
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aaronpk oh hmm
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aaronpk well issue filed regardless: https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/issues/19 thanks!
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aaronpk eww, issue 19
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aaronpk new policy: skip over 19 when creating issues
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aaronpk kind of like how buildings don't have a 13th floor
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kylewm cweiske: what do you mean it only subscribes for a day? Woodwind shouldn't be giving a expiration date at all
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aaronpk isn't the subscription lifetime determined by the hub?
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kylewm Yeah, subscribers can request a lifetime but it's up to the hub
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KevinMarks does the hub tell you when you need to resubscribe, or does it just go quiet?
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aaronpk the hub returns the expiration date
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aaronpk so you need to re-subscribe before that date
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KevinMarks "we're going to abolish polling, except, you know, for when you need to poll us to resubscribe"
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cweiske kylewm, phubb limits it to 7 days
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cweiske but my logs show that your subscriptions have a lifetime of 86400 seconds
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cweiske which could be a bug on my side, I'll check that
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cweiske ah.
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cweiske the default value of phubb is 86400
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cweiske the max value is 7*86400
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cweiske since you don't give a value, the default one is used.
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cweiske maybe I should change that
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aaronpk i'm missing something... kylewm is using superfeedr for his hub, so shouldn't you be seeing that expiration date?
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GWG Feh
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KevinMarks may make sense to have it be less than an exact day so you don't have a gap in subscription
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aaronpk presumably PuSH consumers should pro-actively renew their subscription
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aaronpk there's no harm in subscribing again before the original subscription expires
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Loqi slack/snarfed: aaronpk: 19 is bad?
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aaronpk just kinda a sore spot ;) http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/19
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gRegor` Hahh. Twitter is adding Star Wars emoji to #StarWars and related hashtag tweets today. e.g. https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/588765839676952576
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@gRegorLove "Chewie, we're home." #StarWars (twitter.com/_/status/588765839676952576)
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gRegor` Guess it's called a "hashflag"? https://twitter.com/hashtag/StarWars?src=hash
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gRegor` What is hashtag?
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Loqi hashtags are the use of the hash "#" symbol followed immediately by a word/phrase/abbreviation to explicitly denote a topic inline in a post https://indiewebcamp.com/hashtag
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cweiske aaronpk, I'm talking about reader.kylewm.com. I subscribed it to push-tester.cweiske.de
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cweiske so it registers itself at my hub
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cweiske to get updates
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aaronpk oh gotcha
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cweiske KevinMarks, actually you should register with a lease time a bit more than a day
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cweiske so you can use a cron job to update your subscription every day
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@kevinmarks @davewiner did you look at the pull request I sent for indieweb microformats yet, or just silos? (twitter.com/_/status/588768557762088960)
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_1_nick2 hay
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bret aaronpk how about subclubpubhub
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bret ;)
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kylewm bret: the 12th ping is free?
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@LukasRosenstock I made the arrangements to participate in the @indiewebcamp in Düsseldorf in May. Looking forward to meeting awesome #indieweb people. (twitter.com/_/status/588786485652017152)
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cweiske I wish tt-rss would push updates to the browser. push integration does work nicely
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cweiske kylewm, what do you use to push data to the browser? eventsource, websockets, ??
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kylewm websockets
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cweiske did you try eventsource?
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aaronpk I tried some eventsource stuff with php but kept running into weird memory issues
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cweiske ah
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kylewm cweiske: ya I actually wrote it both ways
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cweiske and it blocks a php process
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aaronpk right
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cweiske what are your experiences with eventsource?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "your experiences with eventsource" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=your+experiences+with+eventsource&summary=prompted+by+cweiske+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-16%2Fline%2F1429213810399
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kylewm i think it's nice that websockets manages sending heartbeats and stuff for you, i don't think SSEs do that
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kylewm now that i'm thinking about it, i might not have finished writing the sse way
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kylewm i did a couple of iterations
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aaronpk i was very hopeful about eventsource because it's such a simple protocol
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aaronpk i'll have to try it again some time, or maybe try it in Node
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aaronpk or ruby! https://gist.github.com/rkh/1476463
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cweiske did anyone try websockets with php?
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aaronpk i haven't. only in node.
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aaronpk seems like not a very good job for php
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kylewm Python3's asyncio stuff handled websockets very nicely
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kylewm not that that helps either of you :p
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aaronpk tehe
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cweiske ha. just found a php websockets server tutorial from 2011, which was written by a friend of mine from university days...
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aaronpk lol
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cweiske I just don't know if I can handle multiple client connections with a single php process
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aaronpk this is why I just wrote a tiny node websockets server and send data to it from php
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aaronpk https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/6958924
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kylewm it does feel like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer
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cweiske i'll rather check if I really have to go away from php
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kylewm aaronpk: i don't mean it's not a good solution, i think it is good, it's just a bummer
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aaronpk here's some info on setting up a server for websockets with php http://socketo.me/docs/deploy
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aaronpk it looks like it is entirely possible to do in php
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cweiske question is if I have to start a php process for every client connection
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cweiske or if I can do that with a single one
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aaronpk i think just the one
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aaronpk http://socketo.me/docs/hello-world#runningit
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cweiske http://phpmagazin.de/WebSocket-Implementierung-mit-PHP-3816.html
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cweiske it's german but the example code shows that it handles multiple clients
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aaronpk wow that's some low-level code
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cweiske yep. no abstraction or anything. just what you need
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aaronpk ehh
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cweiske in phubb I only use file_get_contents for fetching and POSTing data :)
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aaronpk maybe for eventsource that'd be true, but any time you deal with sockets in PHP you should really use a library.. thatstuff gets edge-casey fast
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cweiske that reminds me that I wanted to finish my imap server in php
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cweiske my goal was to use the mantis bug tracker as backend for the imap server
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cweiske so I can categorize issues by dropping them into a different imap folder with my email client
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cweiske or assign issues that way
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cweiske mail client instead of a web client
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bret http://jadengeller.github.io/Helium/ cool
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bret fun to open monocle or woodwind in that
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aaronpk now I reaaaly need to get realtime updates for monocle
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bret https://www.dropbox.com/s/rexclcniop5vzz3/Screenshot%202015-04-16%2013.35.45.png?dl=0
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ben_thatmustbeme i think i may look in to the new native push notifications in chrome
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bret are they the same as the ones in safari?
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cweiske desktop notifications?
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ben_thatmustbeme looking to make it so i get notifications of webmentions coming in to my site
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aaronpk same idea anyway, using GCM
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ben_thatmustbeme desktop and mobile
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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aaronpk cweiske: no, using google's push notification service
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cweiske ah. I simply use sendxmpp
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bret e.g. notifications without a webpage open
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cweiske cli-tool
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bret i know firefox also has something similar in the works especially for ffos
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ben_thatmustbeme as soon as I have time to sit down and figure that out, i'd love for that to work too
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ben_thatmustbeme the firefox social notifications stuff was woefully undocumented though
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ben_thatmustbeme plus i don't have FF on my phone
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voxpelli Firefox and Chrome will be using the same browser API:s for the push notifications
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aaronpk oh it's a w3c thing https://w3c.github.io/push-api/
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tantek yes
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voxpelli That's one half, the other spec is https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/
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ben_thatmustbeme starts searching for sample code of this
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aaronpk i want notifications of mentions!
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: seen http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/03/push-notificatons-on-the-open-web ?
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ben_thatmustbeme thats what I just got to that page voxpelli, thanks
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voxpelli aaronpk: I btw use EventSource for realtime updates of my WebMention embeds
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ben_thatmustbeme s/bad grammer/good grammer/
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aaronpk voxpelli: cool! php backend?
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voxpelli aaronpk: nope, Node.js backend, but fairly decoupled using Postgres pubsub
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bret so aaronpk are you going to use my name suggestion?
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aaronpk bret: lol
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bret or pubsubhubclub
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aaronpk well i already have pubsubhubbub.club, but pubsubhub club is good too
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bret haha
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bret aahhhhhh
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voxpelli aaronpk: perhaps you could try something like https://github.com/wandenberg/nginx-push-stream-module/ if you don't want to add another language on top of PHP
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aaronpk whaaaaat
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bret didn't nginx modules play as a key inspiration to nodes design?
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voxpelli Maybe, feels like PHP need some sort of outside hub like Node or that to handle long running connections like EventSource
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KevinMarks so so these notifications do anything on mobile, or is this a desktop thing?
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: PushAPI. chrome supports both mobile and desktop
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't yet know about FF
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally i would love if i could push to both at the same time
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ben_thatmustbeme but i somehow doubt that is going to happen for me
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KevinMarks Paul says not on iOS: https://twitter.com/Paul_Kinlan/status/588811461893357568
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@Paul_Kinlan @kevinmarks @ginatrapani not yet, we can't get ServiceWorker in to Chrome there. (twitter.com/_/status/588811461893357568)
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GWG Afternoon
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zachdono- GWG: afternoon!
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GWG zachdonovan: Next week?
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zachdonovan yeah, let me double check with the front desk
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GWG I may not get out of work till 6:30.
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't use iOS
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ben_thatmustbeme wins!
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm sure it will be there soon though
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KevinMarks trickier as a browser
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zachdonovan GWG: yep, looks like we're good!
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GWG Ok
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zachdonovan just need to get a guest list together
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GWG Me
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zachdonovan hahaha
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zachdonovan :)
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GWG No one else so far
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zachdonovan Yep, same here.
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zachdonovan I'll ask around.
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zachdonovan but also
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GWG And I'll be late
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zachdonovan Any New York Area Lurkers hangin' out in here? let me know if you want to come to the inaugural(?) NYC HWC!
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GWG It may take time
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gRegor` NYC HWC is a nice rhyme
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ben_thatmustbeme Tried to get notifications tested on my site before I had to leave for the train. Just couldn't get it in that quick. Will have to finish up later
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'In NYC and working on your own website? Check out the inaugural Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-0...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (/notes/2015/04/16/7/)
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@gRegorLove In NYC and working on your own website? Check out the inaugural Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/588821191265136641)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/588821276845690880)
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zachdonovan thanks for the shoutout, gRegor`!
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gRegor` Glad to help get it off the ground, since Chicago's on hiatus :)
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aaronpk now that iOS push notifications can run code, it seems like Chrome could actually implement their push API on iOS
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zachdonovan gRegor`++
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zachdonovan haha
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zachdonovan gregornobacktick++
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Loqi gregornobacktick has 49 karma
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zachdonovan is learning
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gRegor` Haha
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aaronpk okay from what I understand, that nginx module is managing the pubsub stuff itself, so doesn't require PHP be running long-running processes
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kylewm what is gRegors karma alias?
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Loqi Loqi does not like the backtick in gRegor Morrill's screen name gRegor`, so you can give karma to username gregornobacktick in the meantime . . https://indiewebcamp.com/gregors_karma_alias
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kylewm hehe
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Loqi [bridgy] Kyle Mahan retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/588824674416496640)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kai Teoh á•™(⇀”¸â†¼”¶)á•— retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/jkteoh/status/588827806307635201)
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gRegorLove Hai guys. Over a year later, I solved the difficult backtick problem. I am smrt.
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Loqi gRegorLove: snarfed left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: just fyi, i fixed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/133 . let me know if it works ok for you!
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gRegorLove Haha
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aaronpk wut
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bret can I still use gregornobacktick?
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gRegorLove Yeah, please do use gregornobacktick :)
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gRegorLove I apologize if this is too jarring
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bret or make it an alias to gRegorLove
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aaronpk now you gotta update /gregors_karma_alias
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gRegorLove How do you mean, bret? Logi doesn't do aliases does he?
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bret i dunno
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bret aaronpk: does Loqi alias karma
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Loqi dude
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bret ?
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gRegorLove My karma is already across multiple versions; no biggie
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aaronpk no
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gRegorLove Heh, I think that tell from snarfed above is actually 1 year, 3 weeks, 5 days ago. Loqi probably doesn't do years?
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aaronpk oh my
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dariusdunlap Should my rel=“me” be inside the hCard?
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tantek dariusdunlap: another way of restating that is, should your rel="me" hyperlink also have class="u-url" and be inside your h-card?
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tantek and the answer is yes it should, because it will enhance your h-card, and make it into a representative h-card, but it is not necessary for rel=me to work with indieauth.
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dariusdunlap Yes. So I had a rogue </p> in there… and likely other problems. ;-)
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dariusdunlap This on my blog, https://darius.dunlaps.net, so it’s not actually what I use for my main indieauth, but I think it still should be setup right.
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tantek agreed - and because it is on your blog, you're likely using that URL as your p-author h-card URL
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tantek thus making sure it has a good representative h-card is a good idea
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dariusdunlap Yes, thanks for the clarification. got some fiddling to do.
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@parzzix More great services “@withknown Introducing Convoy! http://t.co/L8DWBiEYvI” #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/588837676221992960)
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tantek what is rel-me?
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Loqi The rel=me attribute indicates that the destination of a hyperlink represents the same person or entity as the current page https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-me
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tantek what is silo sign-in?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "silo sign-in" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=silo+sign-in&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-16%2Fline%2F1429225255537
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tantek.com edited /silo_sign-in (+0) "link to Google sign-in specific page" (view diff)
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GWG One of possible good things about being stuck in bed for a bit is I can do Indieweb stuff.
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@benwerd RT @parzzix: More great services “@withknown Introducing Convoy! http://t.co/L8DWBiEYvI” #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/588842011538493441)
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tantek KevinMarks: expanded a bit on your Google-specific page/docs: https://indiewebcamp.com/silo_sign-in
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tantek what do you think of the term silo sign-in?
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tantek.com edited /rel-me (+1344) "update dfn, add Why, How sections, FAQ / Should my rel me be inside my hCard per IRC chat with dariusdunlap, fix example to use example.com subdomain" (view diff)
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tantek dariusdunlap: for your review: https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-me#Should_my_rel_me_be_inside_my_hCard
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