#indiewebcamp 2015-04-21

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kylewm GWG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D31WIqPyWzk
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GWG Still lost?
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kylewm you always say "I have returned", I thought it was a SC reference
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GWG It is?
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GWG Never seen it
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kylewm well I always hear it in the dragoon's voice, just so you know
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kylewm 34s in that video
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GWG I meant, I've never seen that before today
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#214611 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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GWG I think Tantek knows more people in NYC than I do
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kylewm GWG: it's a safe bet
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tantek also - advice for NYC - plan / create / announce the events at least 2-4 weeks in advance
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tantek people seem to lock down their schedules in advance in NYC, in contrast to SF where people often make day-of decisions
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GWG We did.
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#10153174046431265 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#10153326055006435 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk oh I missed the subtle change in Twitter's DMs
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aaronpk it used to be "Receive direct messages from any follower"
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aaronpk that's what they rolled out a while ago.
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aaronpk now it's Receive direct messages from anyone"
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aaronpk my experiment at posting a quoted tweet: http://aaron.pk/n4ak3
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tantek hmm - my two replies to GWG didn't make it through from my IRC client to the server
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tantek GWG, you said "We did."
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tantek GWG, I mean including inviting people - e.g. past IWC NYC attendees (2-4 weeks in advance)
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tantek aaronpk - hmm - that's kind of more of a screenshot than a quote of a tweet
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tantek in other news, I quoted a deleted tweet today: http://tantek.com/2015/110/t2/ssl-ux-critiques-extwebsummit
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tantek aaronpk - also - is that really an anstronaut with a ST:Voyager outfit?!?
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aaronpk like I said, an experiment
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aaronpk and yes it is!
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tantek crazy
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aaronpk she is my hero
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tantek seriously
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tantek what do you think of the ethics or appropriateness of quoting a deleted tweet? I felt more ok about it since it was from a pseudonymous account.
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tantek only reason I could see the tweet is I had a tab open to @Swiftonsecurity's profile page
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aaronpk that's a tough one
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tantek also, there's the subject matter irony - of quoting a deleted tweet from a pseudonymous security tweeter.
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aaronpk what if you had posted the quote of it, then it was deleted months later?
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tantek that's different
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aaronpk did you know it was deleted when you quoted it then?
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tantek this is *knowingly* posting a quote of a deleted tweet
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tantek yes
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aaronpk hmm
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tantek see my post
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/110/t2/ssl-ux-critiques-extwebsummit
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aaronpk ah
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tantek which is why I didn't bother explicitly quoting the first two
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tantek not quoting the first two encourages clicking on them which shows alot more context than if I had quoted them inline
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aaronpk i think the fact it's a pseudonymous account makes it mostly okay
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tantek and especially since it's about security, that makes it kind of funny
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aaronpk i'm trying to imagine if it was a non-pseudonymous account
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aaronpk and it wasn't replaced by another tweet later?
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tantek correct
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tantek Twitter is certainly ok with "posted the quote of it, then it was deleted months later" - because their embed code/HTML has inline content of a tweet so that even if a tweet is unavailable, the quote is still displayed on your site.
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aaronpk also whoa http://tidal.archiloque.net/
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aaronpk oh good point! cause the "embed code" contains the tweet text
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tantek aaronpk what's the deal with that site?
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aaronpk tantek: search for swiftonsecurity
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aaronpk it's a feed reader and has a bunch of your content in it!
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tantek what the what
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tantek it's indirected throgh http://planet.intertwingly.net/ !
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aaronpk whoa
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tantek which actually has my content
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aaronpk reader inception?
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tantek fascinating, I bet http://planet.intertwingly.net/ is Sam Ruby's personal feed reader
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tantek (since http://intertwingly.net is his personal site)
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aaronpk lol your microformats made it into his reader http://mf2.dev/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplanet.intertwingly.net%2F
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tantek wat
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tantek .dev lol
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aaronpk oops!
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aaronpk i installed the parser locally so I could run it on my own local domains
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplanet.intertwingly.net%2F
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tantek yeah - he lists his subscriptions at the bottom! http://planet.intertwingly.net/#footer
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10104508630096080 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] Katie Johnson RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#585999620704)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10205601702018725 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10155212451295471 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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GWG !tell tantek I did, by email.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme Gwg. There is no connect top that !tell at all. lol
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: What?
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ben_thatmustbeme "I did, by email"
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ben_thatmustbeme Context*
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ben_thatmustbeme On my phone so there have been plenty of auto correct fails
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Loqi [bridgy] Leigh Ferreira RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#10153194830631745)
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petermolnar eh... flickr is refusing my syndications lately and I was wondering if it even worth pushing to Flickr... what do you think, indieweb, is anyone still using flickr?
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KartikPrabhu i guess people are rediscovering micropub: https://css-tricks.com/thoughts-on-an-api-first-wordpress/
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@BillSeitz SoundCloud shows need for IndieWeb. http://www.niemanlab.org/2015/04/journalists-shouldnt-lose-their-rights-in-their-move-to-private-platforms/ (twitter.com/_/status/590517277704851456)
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zachdonovan GWG: no luck on the recruiting front for me, how about you?
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jonnybarnes the push spec (v0.4) doesn't actually talk about notifying the hub (i.e. a POST request with hub.mode=publish)
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ben_thatmustbeme recruiting for what?
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: NYC HWC
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ben_thatmustbeme i was hoping one would start in boston after IWC Cambridge
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cweiske jonnybarnes, yes
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cweiske I've opened an issue for that
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cweiske https://github.com/pubsubhubbub/PubSubHubbub/issues/33
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jonnybarnes cweiske: I'd printed the spec off and I was sat here going through the pages wondering if I was going mad...
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cweiske what are you implementing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you implementing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+implementing&summary=prompted+by+cweiske+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-21%2Fline%2F1429627636741
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cweiske hub, publisher or subscriber?
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jonnybarnes currently a hub, but just to play with the new lumen micro-framework
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cweiske ah. have fun.
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cweiske aaronpk implemented one, and I did, too
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kylewm acegiak: would you consider marking up your repost of h-cites with e-content instead of p-content?
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kylewm trying to figure out how to display more info for them in my reader
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KevinMarks ben_thatmustbeme: is your notification stuff public? Gina trapani was looking for examples
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KevinMarks Take a look at @Paul_Kinlan's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Paul_Kinlan/status/590537737452843008?s=09
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@Paul_Kinlan @ginatrapani https://news.vice.com is a good demo of it cc @kevinmarks let me see if I can share a screenshot (on my corp device) (twitter.com/_/status/590537737452843008)
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Loqi [bridgy] Mark Hendrickson RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#710357031697)
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Loqi [bridgy] Evan Prodromou RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10152350676805505)
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@kevinmarks @Malarkey @westleyknight it's worth it more now we have webmentions and microformat friendly readers (twitter.com/_/status/590554432938635264)
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bret wow air bnb requires a facebook or linked in with activity to verify
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tantek how would you do an indieweb peer-to-peer airbnb?
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Loqi tantek: GWG left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: I did, by email. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-21/line/1429613324971
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aaronpk that's almost one of the user stories ;)
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tantek zachdonovan: re: "no luck on the recruiting front" I don't see you yourself RSVPd on the FB event https://www.facebook.com/events/1596554663924436/ nor the wiki page! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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tantek GWG, are you FB friends with zachdonovan? As co-organizer of HWC NYC you need to do the inviting both by email and by adding to the FB invite. Invite in all the places.
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KevinMarks_ GWG note on the event that it is every 2 weeks, that way people can take note
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KevinMarks_ aslo make the 2 weeks from now event and link to it
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tantek right, we should be creating the events a month in advance
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#10152725772441176 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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tantek which requires getting venues too of course
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1596554663924436#10155640454290727 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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tantek or putting TBD for the venue
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KevinMarks_ invites NYC people
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@t @Malarkey @westleyknight @KevinMarks Markup for markup sake not worth it. For usecases it is * #indieweb * ... http://tantek.com/2015/111/t2/markup-for-usecases-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/590591290997374976)
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tantek KevinMarks: I saw Deb last weekend and she said she was going to make it this Wednesday to HWC SF
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tantek does it ever happen to anyone else where you code something that you expect does just one thing at a time, but it turns out you structured your code so that you put in the right place for an iteration, so when you went to add that support, it was already working?
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tantek e.g. I just discovered my Falcon code that curls Bridgy to POSSE likes to faves on Twitter actually does multiple likes in a row automatically.
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tantek I just posted 7 likes of tweets in a row, and with one "like it" button press, all of them were POSSEd at once
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tantek (well, one after another)
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tantek but with just one button press
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KevinMarks_ because you already had a foreach() in there somewhere?
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KevinMarks_ I've had that kind of experience with Python before, and a little bit with node, though there it's more that calbackiness makes things work in parallel
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benwerd If I'm reading this right, Facebook is discriminating against content that isn't posted directly into the feed: http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/04/news-feed-fyi-balancing-content-from-friends-and-pages/
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 4/19 at 2:17pm: what do you think of IWC 2015 July 11-12 in Portland? Would you be able to make that? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-19/line/1429478278357
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aaronpk i've noticed that for sure
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tantek KevinMarks: yeah - apparently I accidentally put the code not where I intended initially, but where it turned out to be more useful!
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aaronpk tho i would phrase it "prioritizing content posted directly into the feed" to avoid the double negative
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benwerd Which means every indieweb app, as well as apps like Buffer and Hootsuite, is screwed on Facebook
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benwerd yes
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tantek what does posted directly into the feed mean? using the web UI/
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tantek ?
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aaronpk yeah
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benwerd or their own-branded apps
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aaronpk right, not using the API basically
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kylewm I wonder if it means posted directly as opposed to "reshared a post from Clickhole.com" or whatever
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KevinMarks_ so we now need to use browser automation to posse?
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tantek what about all the noise from FB Share buttons?
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kylewm How confident are you that posted directly means "not posted via the API"? I wouldn't read it that way necessarily at all
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@accessible_rr @Malarkey @westleyknight @KevinMarks Markup for markup sake not worth it. For usecases it is * #indieweb * a http://rightrelevance.com/tw/accessible_rr/771d79c2e96555919337113bc7b515bda77a8a51/accessibility/accessibility (twitter.com/_/status/590601821925855233)
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aaronpk oh?
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aaronpk do you think it's more change about content from pages?
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kylewm I was just wondering if it was shared rather than direct content
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tantek wow did you see what just happened with that accessible_rr tweet?
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kylewm it's a very fuzzy post ... lots of tea leaf reading possible
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aaronpk tantek: whoa, they copied your original post to their site and then linked to *their* copy in their tweet?
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KevinMarks_ reposting?
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tantek did they do it manually? or did a bot go crawl my PSL and see "accessibility" there (which is NOT in the POSSE tweet)
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aaronpk whoa does twitter have multi-reply now?!
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tantek example?
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/twitter-multi-reply-20150421-124937.png
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benwerd btw why the schedule move?
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tantek schedule move?
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aaronpk oh I see, it's showing me the list of people in the reply chain
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gRegorLove IWC schedule move?
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aaronpk there was never a date set!
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gRegorLove "and 1 other" is interesting there, aaronpk
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gRegorLove Invisible at-name? :)
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tantek or just their way of "ellipsing" the remaining
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aaronpk seems buggy to ellipsize a single name
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gRegorLove I mean, I only see two twitter names in the tweet.
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gRegorLove Oh, it includes the author
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tantek aaronpk: is that from a stream or … ?
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tantek screenshot context
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aaronpk yeah my home timeline
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aaronpk oh you know what? it's showing me the names of people I follow, and the "1 other" is someone I don't follow
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tantek tries to go to http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/ and gets webdav-auth blocked
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aaronpk yeah I don't have an index, that would be bad
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aaronpk lots of semi-private content, or at least things I don't want discoverable
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tantek yeah
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tantek how should we start indicating the more solid nature of the 7/11-12 IWC 2015 date?
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aaronpk it's one-button sharing from skitch, easiest way for me to post a screenshot
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tantek KevinMarks, you said you can for sure make 7/11-12 right?
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aaronpk updating the home page would be a good start, it still links to cambridge
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tantek reload
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KevinMarks_ that looks good - the next weekend I'm booked
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tantek it links to Germany as of a few days ago
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tantek :P
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aaronpk hmm it must be caching
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tantek aaronpk - how do we fix the mediawiki overzealous caching problem?
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gRegorLove I still see Cambridge as well
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aaronpk no it's not caching
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
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tantek oh shoot I thought you meant the sidebar
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tantek which I fixed a few days ago
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aaronpk ah
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tantek is anyone who's (co-)organizing IWC Germany here in IRC?
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+105) "benwerd and kevinmarks can make 7/11-12 too" (view diff)
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aaronpk i'm listed as one of the organizers, and adactio
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aaronpk tho I can really only help with the actual event, not so much the planning
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aaronpk marc thiele is the main organizer, he pops in occasionally
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tantek cool. can you help with wiki updates?
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tantek or general wiki page creation for the event?
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tantek that was a bit of a last-minute scramble for IWC Cambridge
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tantek e.g. updating the home page re: Next IndieWebCamp
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tantek and then creating the subpages accordingly
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aaronpk yeah, might be able to do that tonight or tomorrow night
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tantek I'm assuming Marc is taking care of local resources?
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tantek venue, food etc.?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek maybe you can get adactio to help with wikifying IWC Germany 2015
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tantek.com edited /multiple-reply (+268) "/* Multiple Reply in Silos */ add aaronpk recent example" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: multireply in twitter has had some support (based on the *who* display) since 2013-12-19: http://indiewebcamp.com/multiple-reply#Multiple_Reply_in_Silos
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tantek added your more recent example too
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tantek for IWC 2015 dates, let's put out a heads-up (going to post a note), and ask folks to add more
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tantek and finalize at HWC tomorrow night?
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aaronpk add more?
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tantek either confirmations or suggested dates
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aaronpk ah
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/111/t5/likely-dates-indiewebcamp
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tantek (before I hit post) :)
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aaronpk i'm gonna remove 'other earlier dates' from the page
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aaronpk cause may is too soon
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@t Likely dates for @IndieWebCamp 2015: 2015-07-11..12. Can you make it? Other suggestions? Edit: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (ttk.me t4am5) (twitter.com/_/status/590608661027885056)
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tantek do it
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (-39) "/* Candidate Dates */ remove "earlier" because it's too soon, bold dates so they are easier to see" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /2015 (+17) "/* Candidate Dates */" (view diff)
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@jihaisse RT @t: Likely dates for @IndieWebCamp 2015: 2015-07-11..12. Can you make it? Other suggestions? Edit: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (ttk.me t4am5) (twitter.com/_/status/590609242639507458)
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tantek haha ^^^ I wonder if that's kylewm responding to seeing my note in his reader show up in real time via PuSH
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (+174) "/* Candidate Dates */ add headers with more human-friendly dates" (view diff)
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kylewm tantek: I wish that was it! I am lurking here :)
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tantek would have been pretty funny
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (-167) "add more headers, remove one level of lists" (view diff)
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aaronpk okay that's a little more accessible now
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+2) "/* July 11-12 (Sat-Sun) */ +o" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+2) "/* July 11-12 (Sat-Sun) */ +o aaronpk" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (+5) "/* West Sponsors */ Esri hosting in PDX" (view diff)
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kylewm @scottros talking about the facebook thing https://twitter.com/scottros/status/590597102755000321
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@scottros First they hook you on mainlined traffic, then they take the stuff away and watch you writhe in misery. Just like the "brands" (twitter.com/_/status/590597102755000321)
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aaronpk tantek: I blockde out July 11-12 on our office calendar
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tantek great!
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aaronpk (realized I hadn't actually checked if anything else was happening here that day yet!)
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@bele_e RT @t: Likely dates for @IndieWebCamp 2015: 2015-07-11..12. Can you make it? Other suggestions? Edit: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (ttk.me t4am5) (twitter.com/_/status/590611929015656451)
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gRegorLove Oops. Glad it wasn't booked.
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gRegorLove My goal is to have written about IWC 2014 before IWC 2015. :)
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aaronpk haha
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@gRegorLove RT @t: Likely dates for @IndieWebCamp 2015: 2015-07-11..12. Can you make it? Other suggestions? Edit: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (ttk.me t4am5) (twitter.com/_/status/590614028231319552)
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gRegorLove Dang that's fast.
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Loqi [bridgy] shawn eisenach favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (https://twitter.com/t/status/590608661027885056)
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Loqi [bridgy] bele eisenmann retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (https://twitter.com/bele_e/status/590611929015656451)
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Loqi [bridgy] gRegor ♥ Morrill favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (https://twitter.com/t/status/590608661027885056)
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Loqi [bridgy] gRegor ♥ Morrill retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/590614028231319552)
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@kevinmarks @jorydotcom @brianloveswords @alistapart where would #indieweb #microformats and Open Web Foundation fit? (twitter.com/_/status/590619046393077760)
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GWG Hello
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KevinMarks http://alistapart.com/article/standardization-and-the-open-web
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KevinMarks I need to write that "legislation versus documentation" post
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tantek yes
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tantek alistapart article quality has really dropped
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tantek in terms of developer pragmatism
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@jorydotcom @kevinmarks @brianloveswords @alistapart great question... would have to do more research as I don't know much about the #indieweb movement (twitter.com/_/status/590623648450490368)
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tantek I hope to have a blogged about IndieWebCamp 2014 in summary before next month :/
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tantek that being said, if someone else wanted to, they're more than welcome to do so with the source material (been collecting) here: https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10151958243512132 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10153201376399869 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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tantek invited a few more folks
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10152691895627875 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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ben_thatmustbeme So my notifications are working out okay, still need to look in to getting it better about unified notifications as in 'dismiss in one place dismisses all'
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KevinMarks_ ben_thatmustbeme: are they in a form we can see? people were asking for examples to show off
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aaronpk screenshots!
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ben_thatmustbeme its not much to see, but i had posted a screen shot the other day
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ben_thatmustbeme hold on
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@kevinmarks @jorydotcom @brianloveswords @alistapart you're very welcome at http://indiewebcamp.com and in the IRC (twitter.com/_/status/590628801798864896)
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KevinMarks_ Gina Trapani and others were asking for examples to show off
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tantek examples of what?
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/image/uploaded/notification.png
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ben_thatmustbeme it doesn't yet support sending data supposedly, but it can always pull from an api
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ben_thatmustbeme which is why i'm thinking that I may end up with a feed that is basically an activity stream 2.0 of incoming things
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ben_thatmustbeme so all i have to do is store a "read up to" basically
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Loqi [bridgy] jory burson replied '@kevinmarks @brianloveswords @alistapart will check out the channel tomorrow - thank you!' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/jorydotcom/status/590629658250649600)
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Loqi [bridgy] jory burson favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/590628801798864896)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: why not an h-feed of incoming things?
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tantek I think that's what aaronpk built on his own site - of incoming webmentions maybe
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ben_thatmustbeme it would be an microformats, just want to see what it takes to set it as AS2.0
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek also hoping it will help inform me on exactly what i see as the issues with AS2.0
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tantek main issue with AS2 is excess. excess vocab, syntax, complexity etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme figured as much
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tantek would be interesting to see you do it with h-feed first, see how minimal you can make it
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tantek and then experiment with AS2
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tantek with h-feed, at least you'd have readers that you could use to view / verify your output
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ben_thatmustbeme true
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tantek that way you could have a functional baseline to start with
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tantek whereas AS2 would be publish-only
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KevinMarks_ just update svgur.com becsause I had a white on transparent SVG and couldn't see it http://svgur.com/s/1Y
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KevinMarks_ not sure if I should pin the max width to the screen
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rhiaro aaronpk: I tried dockerising Quill but couldn't get the url routing to work, I've never done anything this fancy with php before..
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aaronpk ooh hmm... i've never tried that with a php app before
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rhiaro It shouldn't be anything to do with docker, I probably just had apache set up wrong
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rhiaro wait, are you running it on apache?
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aaronpk what are you using as the server? php or apache?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you using as the server" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+using+as+the+server&summary=prompted+by+aaronpk+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-21%2Fline%2F1429656246738
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aaronpk i've been deploying on nginx lately
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rhiaro ah
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rhiaro I will try that
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rhiaro in fact, maybe I was
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aaronpk but it doesn't really matter, either should work
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aaronpk you should be able to use the built-in php server actually, but i've never tried that
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Loqi definitely
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rhiaro I can't remember what I was doing, I apparently didn't save anything
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aaronpk considers adding a filter to make loqi not match "what is" questions followed by "you" or "your"
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Loqi dude
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aaronpk rhiaro: do you have a recommendation for a tutorial on getting set up with docker? I haven't gone through the process from scratch myself yet
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rhiaro aaronpk: yeah I was using apache
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kylewm Quill works in just php -S localhost:8080, except I get an exception in Slim
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rhiaro aaronpk: I just muddled through the docker documentation
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rhiaro it's got inbuilt tutorials, was good enough
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rhiaro also KitB is an expert and is in this channel, so you can ask him :) (that's mostly what I have been doing)
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KitB ahh what?
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KitB me
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KitB expert?
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KitB noo
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KitB in what?
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aaronpk kylewm: you have to do that from the "public" folder but htat looks like it's working!
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rhiaro KitB: docker
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rhiaro although that's maybe too off topic for here
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aaronpk oh except the callback URL assumes no port
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aaronpk wow that's kind of magic, how'd that even happen?
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kylewm aaronpk: here's the exception i had http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-12#t1428885216240
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aaronpk how does the built-in php web server know to route requests through index.php?
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aaronpk kylewm: i think i may have fixed that bug already?
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kylewm that would be awesome
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aaronpk well I didn't get that bug just now anyway
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rhiaro aaronpk: anyway I'm gonna try setting that up again sometime this week, you'll hear from me then..
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aaronpk kewl
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rhiaro I'm going to adapt teacup for my /where checkins
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aaronpk ooh
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aaronpk now you can use the fancy frequency+location filtering it does too :)
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rhiaro ooooooooh
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tantek teacup for checkins?!?
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rhiaro tantek :it won't be teacup any more
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rhiaro just quill with buttons
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aaronpk might need some fine-tuning to prioritize location over frequency though, not sure
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aaronpk oh man i haven't even considered what to call my own checkin app
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rhiaro I only have ten places I check in
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rhiaro I'm calling it Burrow, after the weasley clock thing
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rhiaro although it was a close one with Mortal Peril
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aaronpk does a ship's log book have a fancy name?
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rhiaro I was also thinking Spyglass as inkeeping with your naming scheme
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rhiaro as it's useful for stalking
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aaronpk that's creepy
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rhiaro :D
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aaronpk also there's already Monocle
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rhiaro checking in constantly enables creepy!
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tantek what happened to Compass?
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aaronpk Compass is the GPS tracking part
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KevinMarks_ Marauders map
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KartikPrabhu Ye' Ol' Log Book
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KevinMarks_ Panopticon
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aaronpk maybe I could use Compass for checkins instead
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KevinMarks_ Camera Obscura
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KartikPrabhu Goblet
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tantek Adventure
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KartikPrabhu maître d'
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aaronpk do we have a wiki page that documents the methods of communication we use here? e.g. no mailing lists, irc+wiki only?
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KartikPrabhu or maybe "concierge"
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rhiaro aaronpk: I think that's on the getting started page or something
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KartikPrabhu what is mailing list?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mailing list" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=mailing+list&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-21%2Fline%2F1429657101899
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tantek lol
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tantek aaronpk: you can reference this http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-better-than-email
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aaronpk i guess i was looking for a more positive framing of it
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tantek we had to do a negative (cut out email) to get here so I'm not sure how to better state that
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aaronpk I guess I'd like a page that says "Come join the IRC channel! Conversation happens there around the clock. Discussion flows from IRC to the wiki when there are things to document or when things are resolved. (btw we don't use email because http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-better-than-email)"
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tantek aaronpk: /IRC says roughly that now
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aaronpk it's sooooo long
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aaronpk and full of technical goop about IRC clients
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aaronpk maybe we can make an actual /discuss page that isn't just an alias for /IRC
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tantek because IRC clients still require technical goop
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aaronpk right but that detracts from the purpose of the "how we discuss things" topic
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tantek what's with the hypothetical section on "Voice" ? http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Voice
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tantek aaronpk - what's the need for a "how we discuss things" topic ?
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tantek that's just more busywork IMO
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aaronpk well the immediate need is to answer Ann's question of how we discuss things
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tantek that's an FAQ
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aaronpk and I figured if she's asking, other people probably would ask in the future, and I'd rather reply with a URL
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tantek this is already an FAQ http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ#Is_there_an_IndieWeb_mailing_list
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aaronpk again with the negative framing
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tantek it's because people have asked that exact question
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tantek you have to say no to things in order to focus on things that matter
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aaronpk here we go http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ#How_do_you_figure_stuff_out
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tantek where's Ann's precise question? can you provide a permalink?
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aaronpk https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2015Apr/0104.html
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rhiaro irc is pretty alien to many even tecchie people. It's good to be friendly about it if they have to use it
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tantek.com edited /FAQ (+63) "/* How do you figure stuff out */ add an alias for the question to make it more findable" (view diff)
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tantek rhiaro: strongly agreed about making IRC more friendly - it's why we have the best/friendliest IRC logs
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tantek which are much better than any email archives
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tantek comparing those A/B usually convinces people quickly
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tantek unless they're essayists and are upset they can't just spew forth long essays that they expect everyone to read
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rhiaro and then they should be on their own site of course ;)
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tantek you get it :)
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KevinMarks_ actually we shoudl do exactly what harry asks for there
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KevinMarks_ email all wiki edits to the maling list
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tantek lol
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aaronpk Loqi already is parsing out wiki edits for only the socialwg pages, he could easily email them
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek aaronpk: question is, would we get any more productive participation out of it?
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tantek is it really worth bridging to a honeypot for timewasters?
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aaronpk possibly it is worth asking if people would find that useful
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tantek probably better to just let email lists implode all by themselves
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rhiaro oh god no please don't email wiki edits
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tantek hahaha
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rhiaro maybe interesting to generate something one could subscribe to with a reader... if one wanted to..
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tantek mediawiki already has feeds
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KevinMarks_ email all irc comments too
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aaronpk tantek: the recentchanges feed on the w3c wiki is unusable because it combines all WGs
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tantek email an IRC log digest at the end of every day
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aaronpk actually i was brainstorming something similar
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aaronpk i want to make an h-feed of the IRC logs but formatted as one entry per "conversation thread" where it would just look for a gap in conversations of like >30 minutes and generate a new h-entry of that
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aaronpk would anyone find this useful? given a page like http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people (a list of people in a group or community), subscribe to everyone's blogs in your reader
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kylewm yes
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rhiaro aaronpk: yes!
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bret reading through https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/blob/master/API.md is really helping me understand where AS is today
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bret /how it works
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kylewm if you added support webfinger and oauth1, it doesn't seem all that hard to speak with a pump server
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aaronpk then why hasn't anyone else yet?
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tantek kylewm: it was always more work than necessary
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tantek just like ostatus / salmon / openid etc.
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tantek it's how aaronpk and I ended up here
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tantek it's not whether it's possible or not, it's about how necessary are all the requirements
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kylewm well I think pump was an attempt at simplifying the ostatus/salmon/openid stuff
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kylewm it may still be one or two levels too complicated
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tantek yes
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tantek which means it may be a good candidate for a proxy for backcompat
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tantek but not for asking everyone to eimplement
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tantek we should treat complex standards the same as snowflake APIs
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tantek something to be wrapped with a proxy
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Loqi I agree
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kylewm aaronpk: i don't know the answer to that question, i think their goal was for everyone to use pump.io as a library rather than a protocol
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kylewm but why didn't anybody else implement Push 0.4 before you and cweiske did?
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tantek kylewm - if you're fairly certain about that, you should add pumpio to /monoculture
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tantek since advocating everyone use the same library is a monoculture
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aaronpk kylewm: possibly because the spec was not very well written
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aaronpk or, because there was not a clear incentive for using PuSH
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aaronpk i am not sure
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tantek a symptom of complex specs also
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kylewm yeah i think the latter
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tantek kylewm: yes the latter
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tantek or rather in priority order
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tantek more important to just get stuff published ( -> microformats)
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tantek and then notify of replies ( -> webmention)
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tantek readers came after we had that working
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tantek also a good reason for minimal building block standards