#indiewebcamp 2015-05-07

2015-05-07 UTC
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GWG tantek: Looking forward to Dusseldorf?
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tantek GWG, not going - flying back to SF
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tantek I think I need to take next week off as vacation
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GWG tantek: You aren't? I'm not sure why I always assume you are going to be at an Indiewebcamp
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tantek GWG, I do go to a lot (most?) of them
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GWG tantek: You are a fixture
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I found the indie.js repository and am going through the IndiewMark process and trying to make my tools usable by other (twitter.com/_/status/596127868377260032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: the github repository is at https://github.com/gobengo/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/596127994298703872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I'm trying to make the place where it posts to pluggable too so you can change where it posts to (twitter.com/_/status/596128220753301506)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I went back and analysed everything I posted on werd.io - a tiny fraction had not been syndicated elsewhere (twitter.com/_/status/596128668734377984)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: so what happens if we take away the social newtworks (twitter.com/_/status/596129031101272064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: seperately I'm also preparing to start a podcast, so I'm looking at the tags needed to make a podcast work right (twitter.com/_/status/596129177255989248)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the process of publishing a podcast seems really archaic (twitter.com/_/status/596129325067415553)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: a lot of people use soundcloud so they can have a nice player to embed on their own site (twitter.com/_/status/596129532018597888)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I have lost count of the number of times I have crashed all of the browsers using the audio tag over the last few weeks (twitter.com/_/status/596129650000166913)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: twitter added native video a couple of months ago, and the video that we are getting from twitter is not playable (twitter.com/_/status/596129852949975040)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: I'm trying to make the place where it posts to pluggable too so you can change where it posts to (twitter.com/_/status/596129948823199744)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: I went back and analysed everything I posted on werd.io - a tiny fraction had not been syndicated elsew… (twitter.com/_/status/596130261651234816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: it's not completely different form huffduffer, but it is more thematic - it is a playback list around a theme (twitter.com/_/status/596130324872044545)
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kylewm ended up with quite a good turnout at HWC SF!
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: so what happens if we take away the social newtworks (twitter.com/_/status/596130564593176578)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: seperately I'm also preparing to start a podcast, so I'm looking at the tags needed to make a podcast w… (twitter.com/_/status/596130780117536769)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: the process of publishing a podcast seems really archaic (twitter.com/_/status/596130819380379648)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: a lot of people use soundcloud so they can have a nice player to embed on their own site (twitter.com/_/status/596130972808019968)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: I have lost count of the number of times I have crashed all of the browsers using the audio tag over th… (twitter.com/_/status/596131012461002752)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: twitter added native video a couple of months ago, and the video that we are getting from twitter is not … (twitter.com/_/status/596131118438461440)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: it's not completely different form huffduffer, but it is more thematic - it is a playback list around a… (twitter.com/_/status/596131288609763328)
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: I have lost count of the number of times I have crashed all of the browsers using the audio tag over th… (twitter.com/_/status/596131418666827776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we have Convoy at Known that is designed to connect your blog to other sites, and we'll make it for wordpress too (twitter.com/_/status/596132205308551168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: wordpress is a convenient unauthenticated shell that happens to have a blogging tool attached (twitter.com/_/status/596133309807210498)
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GWG kylewm: What do you mean by that?
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kylewm lol I was quoting someone else
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kylewm unattributed
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@danlyke RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: wordpress is a convenient unauthenticated shell that happens to have a blogging tool attached (twitter.com/_/status/596133988504244224)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I worked on https://feverdream.herokuapp.com/ which lets you post to wordpress, blogger, tumblr with mciropub (twitter.com/_/status/596134027049967617)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I was able to post to my tumblr (Which I forgot I had) with feverdream (twitter.com/_/status/596134294592090112)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I have been working on brid.gy support for known and tumblr integration (twitter.com/_/status/596134400959610880)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: brid.gy doesn't currently give enough feedback for known users so I'm working on this (twitter.com/_/status/596134707018002432)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: I work on a tool called webrecorder.io to build a new archiving service for everyone to use (twitter.com/_/status/596135278399586304)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: https://beta.webrecorder.io/ is an updated version of the archiving software (twitter.com/_/status/596135441868390400)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: flash is always difficult to archive - I was wondering if mozilla shumway could help with that (twitter.com/_/status/596135803522293761)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: the proxy runs as a separate app that rewrite them to localhost (twitter.com/_/status/596135948150251520)
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@szarka RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @webrecorder_io: I work on a tool called webrecorder.io to build a new archiving service for everyone to use (twitter.com/_/status/596136213641302016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: unlike internet archive this is more personal - you don't have to put it on a server (twitter.com/_/status/596136432114237442)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: all the core functionality is on github in Python if you want ot look at it, and the archive player (twitter.com/_/status/596136631293366273)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrecorder_io: you need to go through a browser or a headless browser to be sure that you catch all the links (twitter.com/_/status/596137786949947393)
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@Shoq RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @webrecorder_io: https://beta.webrecorder.io/ is an updated version of the archiving software (twitter.com/_/status/596139875293859840)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dpg: I just launched a social network for makers - so now we have to scale it (twitter.com/_/status/596142197440905217)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dpg: I come here for inspiration - having coding as my job means I don't get to hack shit for fun anymore (twitter.com/_/status/596142408691294208)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dpg: I just launched a social network for makers - so now we have to scale it (twitter.com/_/status/596142720512471040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dpg: http://makerspace.com is the site I just launched and people are telling me what they think of my baby (twitter.com/_/status/596142875831861248)
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@kevinmarks @ericnakagawa @dpg #indieweb is an ongoing effort at http://indiewebcamp.com and a meetup every 2 weeks for Homebrew Website Club (twitter.com/_/status/596143196209426433)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dpg: I'm starting a robotics meetup at the Palace of Fine Arts every weekend (twitter.com/_/status/596143337842802688)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: we have Convoy at Known that is designed to connect your blog to other sites, and we'll make it for wo… (twitter.com/_/status/596143431522455552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I just got an epsarino computer on a board, and I want to learn to hack it (twitter.com/_/status/596143555443355649)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @KevinMarks: the other thing I've been working on is this Universal Feed Parser feature to support microformats (twitter.com/_/status/596144040116006913)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @KevinMarks: there's an integration into Feed Parser that supports reading rels out of feeds (twitter.com/_/status/596144213491781634)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @KevinMarks: the next thing after that will be parsing h-feed in the actual Universal Feed Parser (twitter.com/_/status/596144313907556353)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @KevinMarks: I helped @kylewmahan find bugs and fix problms in the python port of @t's CASSIS.js (twitter.com/_/status/596144537577267200)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @KevinMarks: the auto_link functionality is set up to statically convert URLs to embeds, to convert an embed, use fragmentions (twitter.com/_/status/596145227330506752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I wrote a post about how to do fuzzy matching in text annotations: http://blog.livefyre.com/architecting-sidenotes/ (twitter.com/_/status/596145597851291649)
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Loqi [bridgy] Eric Nakagawa replied '@kevinmarks @dpg meet up in which city? Are there general tenets I just follow or do I need to run my own server to truly be indie?' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/ericnakagawa/status/596143648053432320)
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Loqi [bridgy] Eric Nakagawa replied '@kevinmarks @dpg omg. I should have clicked that. Thank you Kevin!' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/ericnakagawa/status/596144603365036032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: in trying to make feedparser support microformats again, I updated mf2py to give more information about URLs for rels (twitter.com/_/status/596146218025254912)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I also made http://www.noterlive.com/ have better twitter previews by brute forcing the twitter embedded iframe layout (twitter.com/_/status/596146554056134657)
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@benwerd I learned a lot at Homebrew Website Club, as always. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/596157249996730368/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596157249996730368)
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@DodgerWA RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: wordpress is a convenient unauthenticated shell that happens to have a blogging tool attached (twitter.com/_/status/596180428433727488)
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tantek kylewm: photo of the good attendance?
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kylewm tantek: here's one without benwerd: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/596157249996730368
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@benwerd I learned a lot at Homebrew Website Club, as always. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/596157249996730368/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596157249996730368)
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kylewm Justin took some that included everyone I think
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tantek cool! could you add benwerd's photo to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-05-06-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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@unhosted We'll be at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany in Dusseldorf this weekend, see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/596210014257291264)
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@unhosted RT @skddc: Lots of @unhosted folks at IndieWebCamp DUS this weekend. \o/ (twitter.com/_/status/596210118200586240)
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@michielbdejong RT @unhosted: We'll be at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany in Dusseldorf this weekend, see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/596211741337456641)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk good morning!
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@btconf A warm welcome to Düsseldorf to Mr. @aaronpk for #btconf and the #IndieWebCamp, which he and @adactio are running. (twitter.com/_/status/596215762827743233)
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@aaronpk RT @btconf: A warm welcome to Düsseldorf to Mr. @aaronpk for #btconf and the #IndieWebCamp, which he and @adactio are running. (twitter.com/_/status/596216358934859776)
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@Renaade RT @btconf: A warm welcome to Düsseldorf to Mr. @aaronpk for #btconf and the #IndieWebCamp, which he and @adactio are running. (twitter.com/_/status/596218439687090176)
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tantek hmm did I delete too much?
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@marcthiele RT @btconf: A warm welcome to Düsseldorf to Mr. @aaronpk for #btconf and the #IndieWebCamp, which he and @adactio are running. (twitter.com/_/status/596220587875377153)
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@fakebaldur RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: I wrote a post about how to do fuzzy matching in text annotations: http://blog.livefyre.com/architecting-sidenotes/ (twitter.com/_/status/596230380887367680)
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@ianhsuth Writers! Learn how to attract over 400 new followers every day and sell more books! http://ianhsutherland.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/TwitterSignup-1-AdvancedTwitterSignup.html #TwitterAdvice #Indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/596236872055136257)
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@AAinslie RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @webrecorder_io: https://beta.webrecorder.io/ is an updated version of the archiving software (twitter.com/_/status/596249325799346176)
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@nebenan_hamburg Du schaffst es nicht zur Session von @diplix bei der #rp15 heute Abend? Bei der #nebenan redet er auch - zum Thema Bloggen u Indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/596263983109242881)
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elf-pavlik waves
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tantek I don't suppose anyone here cares about consuming AS1/Atom? snarfed? kylewm? bueller?
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GWG tantek: I care about consuming anything of use.
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tantek well you can already consume it in a simpler way from my h-feed
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tantek so this was more directed at folks that have an explicit *preference* for AS1/Atom
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tantek (or who already have code doing so)
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GWG !tell snarfed I pushed an update if you want to try it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@BillSeitz @brentsimmons maybe you want to look at IndieWeb tools... (twitter.com/_/status/596296447726788608)
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@andkjaer 3 Ways to Find and Win New #SEO Clients by @dariozadro >> http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=130224&utm_content=bufferd6516&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Dario Zadro. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/596304979201282048)
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rhiaro Interesting, people pointing out politicians saying dumb things - used to include a screenshot of the tweet, now use a QT, and when the tweet gets deleted the 'evidence' is lost
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ben_thatmustbeme oh interesting... hadn't considered what happens when the original gets deleted.
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ben_thatmustbeme for exactly that reason, I don't delete context history to my posts. I'll allow people to delete comments, but not context
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tantek rhiaro: can you quote a tweet AND add a photo to it?
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ben_thatmustbeme not the best UI, you'd have 2 copies of it then
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Loqi slack/snarfed: tantek: re consuming AS1/atom, what's the context?
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tantek snarfed, context is that I've started publishing my "like" posts as AS1/Atom "like" verb + object
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tantek e.g. first entry in my AS1/Atom feed right now http://tantek.com/updates.atom
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rhiaro tantek: you could paste a url to a photo, but the UI for photos and locations (or person tagging) isn't there for a QT
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tantek rhiaro: I'm wondering if the Twitter API allows posting a QT with a photo
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Loqi slack/snarfed: tantek: aha, ok. i definitely consume your atom feed, but i don't feel strongly about that part specifically
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tantek snarfed, I tried to do a "minimal" AS1/Atom "like" entry - more minimal than any other examples I've seen, so I'm curious how any AS1/Atom consuming code treats it.
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@tgb Hey @ginatrapani @makerbase I made [indieweb implementation] http://makerba.se/ (twitter.com/_/status/596335937979817984)
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kylewm what's that now? ^
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: gina and anil are working on a new project. basically wiki like thing for creators in the digital space
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ben_thatmustbeme to give a credit scroll to apps, sites, etc
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kylewm I didn't understand "I made [indieweb implementation]"
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ben_thatmustbeme adding all our own indieweb implementations to makerbase
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@kylewmahan Hey @makerbase I made indieweb stuffs Red Wind, Woodwind, Feverdream http://makerba.se/ (twitter.com/_/status/596345715560873984)
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kylewm I get it, when you join it prompts you to tweet at them with the prompt "Hey @makerbase I made [add your project here] http://makerba.se/"
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ben_thatmustbeme i should rename my project Dingus. sounds like a solid plan
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Loqi +1
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, how one can tell check-in from check-out if only *location* propoerty used? also how one tell eat from cook if only *food* property used? rhiaro showed me her trick with checking in to *other* but that looks like pushing work around. looks like either property *verb* (AS1 e.g eat, cook, arrive, depart) or explicit *type* (AS2 e.g. Eat, Cook, Arrive, Depart) can easily address this
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: I don't post checkins yet so I don't have a good answer :)
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elf-pavlik if needed, would you see property *verb* or explicit type *Verb* more attractive?
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aaronpk what do you mean explicit type?
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elf-pavlik h-
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aaronpk oh I do have this problem with run vs walk vs drive right now
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elf-pavlik h-product
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aaronpk oh, h-entry should still be able to cover it
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elf-pavlik http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#activity-types
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elf-pavlik http://schema.org/docs/full.html#Action
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tantek_ Showing Sandro the beta web irc interface
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aaronpk nice
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tantek_ elf-pavlik checkins are certainly and interesting partially developed & deployed post type.
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elf-pavlik checkouts?
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tantek_ See current thinking at /checkin
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aaronpk i think checkout would be updating the checkin with an end date
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tantek_ What is a checkout?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "checkout" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=checkout&summary=prompted+by+tantek_+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-07%2Fline%2F1431019226560
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elf-pavlik many public transport systems use both check-in and check-out , same with highways (which charge for driving on them) also bike, car rental
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elf-pavlik but updating check-in with endDate also can solve it - then it becomes more of a *stay* / *use*
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aaronpk makes sense to me
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tantek_ Can you provide specific examples with urls? (Of prose/IRL checkouts processes)
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elf-pavlik UI still would have check-out button, not change end date
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elf-pavlik i still doesn't solve eat / cook distinction
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/issues/12
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aaronpk that's not an example, that's just a list
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elf-pavlik in sharing economy context give/take also have cook/eat direction
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bret aaronpk: did https://tokens.oauth.net/token break/change?
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aaronpk bret: yeah, use tokens.indieauth.com
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bret rgr
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bret aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 799 karma
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bret aaronpk: what happened?
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aaronpk cert expired and i didn't renew that one cause i stopped using that hostname the day after i made it ;)
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aaronpk you were an early adopter
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bret ah ok
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KevinMarks adds people to indieweb on makerbase http://makerba.se/p/iy7xn2/indieweb
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kylewm waits for aaronpk to do something so he can be ++ #800
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk-- because his karma is getting too high
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Loqi aaronpk has 798 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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aaronpk Aww
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh, fine, aaronpk++
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++
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aaronpk You lose
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ben_thatmustbeme denied
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ben_thatmustbeme well, actually you lose
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benwerd kylewm++ for an amazing pull request that helps people use bridgy
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 5 days, 1 hour ago: - did you see the follow-ups to my note about Audrey's Known post? https://twitter.com/ThanRobertson/status/593852220451454976 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-02/line/1430584339850
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Loqi benwerd: aaronpk left you a message 4 days, 3 hours ago: you should consider a fixed-reference paging mechanism for Known, I was searching google for a photo and of course now that you added photos, offset=489 has a totally different set of photos now http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-03/line/1430663132280
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Loqi kylewm has 164 karma
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benwerd Guess it's been a few days since I've actually said anything in the channel
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benwerd aaronpk: strongly agree. I've been thinking I need a date-based archive. I want to see stuff I posted in June 2013, for example.
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aaronpk That too
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aaronpk But paging by object id or object date is a good start
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benwerd nods
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aaronpk ?before=384829827638939844
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aaronpk Then all your pages will always be static
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@kevinmarks Notes from last night's Homebrew Website Club on my website: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-05-06.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/596381293652250624)
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kylewm benwerd: thanks for merging so quickly! i'm fumbling around a bit in php land, so please do let me know if anything looks wonky
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benwerd I think we're all fumbling around in PHP land ;)
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benwerd Looks great so far.
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kylewm :)
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sparverius did someone say php code review
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: Notes from last night's Homebrew Website Club on my website: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-05-06.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/596382663306412032)
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kylewm KevinMarks: do you have any idea why universal feed parser doesn't see the enclosures on http://www.relay.fm/rocket/feed
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kylewm http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relay.fm%2Frocket%2Ffeed
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kylewm oh I see, it's looking for audio/mpeg, and this feed has audio/mp3
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KevinMarks that is odd
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KevinMarks oh,so unmung is wrong
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kylewm oh! haha yes so is Woodwind then bc I copied unmung :)
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kylewm i assumed the common factor was UFP
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KevinMarks UFP is a bit obsessive about finding enclosures - it checks by file extension too
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KevinMarks I haven't revived that part yet
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KevinMarks fixed unmung: http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relay.fm%2Frocket%2Ffeed
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KevinMarks as I'd have to use beautiful soup directly as mf2py doesn't check for arbitrary links
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /collection (+75) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added following (contact) list from hmans.io" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik hmans howdy o/
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aaronpk waves from Düsseldorf!
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claudio__ hi there I have a gpg question, can I? ;)
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elf-pavlik i wonder why you use rel="following" and not class="p-following h-card" on http://hmans.io/following
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elf-pavlik http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhmans.io%2Ffollowing
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elf-pavlik i also don't find following on http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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kylewm claudio__: you're welcome to ask!
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claudio__ thanks!
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claudio__ I have a colleague trying to add a new email address to her actual GPG keyring here at the office
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claudio__ but she does not have her -asc file with her private key
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claudio__ is it something she can do about it? (she's using OSX and Thunderbird here)
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KevinMarks elf-pavlik: http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#follower_and_following
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kylewm claudio__: I don't think there's anything you can do without the private key :/
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claudio__ you mean without the file?
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kylewm maybe i misunderstood, she is trying to add validate email from someone else, or trying to modify her key to add her own new email address?
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claudio__ trying to modify her key. Because she have the key for her private email address and now she need to use the same key for her work email
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kylewm claudio__: yeah I think that's right then. you need the private key (which is in the asc file you mentioned) to modify it
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claudio__ yeah, that's what I suspected however I'm not that tech savvy
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claudio__ thanks anyway, kylewm
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elf-pavlik KevinMarks, did you know if someone thought to do it similar as in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-card_org_h-card
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KevinMarks what would the outer object be?
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elf-pavlik subject of following relation - h-card of person who all those people follow
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elf-pavlik subject: http://hmans.io/ (h-card)
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elf-pavlik rel="following"
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elf-pavlik object: [ h-card , h-card, h-card, ... ]
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elf-pavlik illustrated with just one person following one person https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/tree/master/property/follows
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elf-pavlik me writing an example
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elf-pavlik <div class="h-card"> <p class="p-name">elf Pavlik</p> <ul> <li class="p-follows h-card"> <a class="u-url p-name" href="https://rhiaro.co.uk/">Amy Guy</a> </li> <li class="p-follows h-card"> <a class="u-url p-name" href="https://tantek.com/">Tantek</a> </li> </ul> </div>
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elf-pavlik even better
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elf-pavlik <div class="h-card"> <a class="u-url p-name" href="https://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper">elf Pavlik</a> <ul> <li class="p-follows h-card"> <a class="u-url p-name" href="https://rhiaro.co.uk">Amy Guy</a> </li> <li class="p-follows h-card"> <a class="u-url p-name" href="https://tantek.com">Tantek</a> </li> </ul> </div>
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elf-pavlik {"items":[{"type":["h-card"],"properties":{"url":["https://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper"],"name":["elf Pavlik"],"follows":[{"value":"Amy Guy","type":["h-card"],"properties":{"url":["https://rhiaro.co.uk"],"name":["Amy Guy"]}},{"value":"Tantek","type":["h-card"],"properties":{"url":["https://tantek.com"],"name":["Tantek"]}}]}}],"rels":{}}
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elf-pavlik hmans ^
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gRegorLove I'm publishing an h-feed for a podcast soon and hoping to generate the iTunes XML from it as well. Thoughts on using the absolute URL as the uid (and iTunes GUID)? benwerd, I remember you saying you regretted using URLs, I think.
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benwerd gRegorLove: I absolutely do. Using a URL as an XML GUID is a little different, and I think fine - but as an internal one, I really really really wish I hadn't done that.
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benwerd Also, if you're publishing a podcast, I'd love your thoughts on http://wavelist.xyz!
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gRegorLove What do you recommend?
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benwerd (Also, a note that the PHP microformats parser doesn't parse u-audio correctly, although the Python one does.)
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benwerd I'd go for something unique like a hash, tbh. And then maybe separately store a human-readable slug against it.
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gRegorLove Oh yeah, I saw kyle link to wavelist. I'll check it out.
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gRegorLove I may borrow that wavelist player. I like that.
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aaronpk gRegorLove: ooh awesome
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aaronpk also let me know what you think of the markup on http://transportini.com
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gRegorLove Oh cool. What's the "PT" in the p-length mean? PT12M40S
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aaronpk it's iso8601 duration
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kylewm gRegorLove: I don't think the wavelist player is open source (at least not yet?)
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tommorris benwerd: can you document the difference in behaviour between the PHP and Python parsers in terms of u-audio? just interesting to know
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benwerd Yes. Will do do
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benwerd Will do so
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tommorris (I'm proud that the Python one apparently did it the right way, though I'm not sure what the right way is.)
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tommorris oh presumably on an <audio> tag
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tommorris <audio src="whatever.mp3" class="u-audio" /> etc.
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tommorris I'm wondering: if there's a single <audio> element, whether that ought to just become an inclusion when translated into RSS.
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tommorris implied parsing rule
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kylewm tommorris: do you mean enclosure?
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tommorris yep.
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tommorris also, RSS 2 requiring the enclosure element to list the number of bytes in the file is irritating
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kylewm I think php-mf2 is just missing 'audio' here https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/Mf2/Parser.php#L445
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KevinMarks hm, I markup with <audio class="u-audio blah>><a href=""> - I thought the parser would get the a href even if it missed the src?
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tantek KevinMarks: why?!? href is not a global attribute
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KevinMarks ah
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KevinMarks oops
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KevinMarks so should I put u-audio on the fallback <a> as well then?
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KevinMarks thing about <audio> and <video> is possible multiple<source> tags too
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tantek no just file a bug against the parser(s)
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tantek rather than corrupting your markup
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tantek seriously - that should be a trivial fix
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gRegorLove I was going to look at fixing in php-mf2
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tantek KevinMarks - if you want to work on something, please update the rel attribute parsing stuff on the wiki in the microformats2-parsing-issues page
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KevinMarks I thought I had
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tantek did you update it to incorporate all the feedback (one way or another?)
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tantek just want to make sure we have captured precisely the update in behavior that we want - so your code commits can link to a prose spec (even resolved issue) description
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KevinMarks I di on this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming
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KevinMarks shoudl I change http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing too?
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tantek checking brainstorming
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KevinMarks I'll put an mf2 parser up on unmung
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gRegorLove php-mf2 issue filed: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/63
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tantek KevinMarks - somehow I missed the updates to *-brainstorming - thanks for that - it looks good. Now I just need to incorporate that (and the previous resolved parser updates) to the main parser page.
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KevinMarks kyle pulled the changes into mf2py last night
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gRegorLove kylewm: MIT license looks like, from the source linked in this post http://osvaldas.info/audio-player-responsive-and-touch-friendly though wavelist js doesn't mention the MIT license
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kylewm oh my bad! i saw audio.js, missed audioplayer.min.js
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gRegorLove Haha, <!-- Feed Mark --> for the Facebook OGP meta junk on wavelist.
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kylewm Zuck hungry!
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kylewm Zuck Smash!
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KevinMarks what type shoudl I send fro mf2-parsed json
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks type?
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KartikPrabhu sounds a lot like elf-pavlik's questions about type for mf2-markedup HTML
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KevinMarks what does pin13 do?
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KevinMarks Content-Type: application/json
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KartikPrabhu sounds right
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com&pretty=on
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tantek yes application/json