#indiewebcamp 2015-05-06

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@larsblauridsen Reducing risk in web development - http://blog.backand.com/reduce-risk-web-dev/ #webdevelopment #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/595740040984158210)
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bret snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 101 karma
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GWG Slow night
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kylewm need to drum up some more interest for HWC SF tomorrow
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KartikPrabhu <ominous ritual drumming ensues>
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KevinMarks_ Silo quit http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/joss-whedon-on-leaving-twitter
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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@mdeimann Widerspruch zwischen Versprechen für offenes #indieweb und der Umsetzung in starre Formen. #digitaleBildung http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/eli3035.pdf (twitter.com/_/status/595854680309260290)
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tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+1068) "/* Silo quitters 2015 */ Joss Whedon" (view diff)
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KevinMarks__ are you social WGing again today?
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rhiaro KevinMarks__: no socialwg today
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petermolnar what did I miss yesterday?
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rhiaro General agreement that we're all on the same side and different approaches are closer than we thought and excitement to try for further convergence
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petermolnar \o/
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rhiaro I know, right! ;)
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, +1? https://twitter.com/elfpavlik/status/595877089028481024
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@elfpavlik @poulpita glad meeting you IRL :) re: @gendergapgrader I hope @annbass @Tsyesika and @rhiaro will lead the @SocialWebWG API spec! cc @koalie (twitter.com/_/status/595877089028481024)
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@bastianallgeier There are two train options to Düsseldorf on Friday to make it on time for IndieWebCamp. Let’s just be optimistic. (twitter.com/_/status/595880586645995520)
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rhiaro I think Facebook just added comment threading, hold everything
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petermolnar it's not new
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petermolnar and I'm not happy with it :/
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rhiaro Or... 'Comments' are now normal status updates that other people can comment on
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tantek but what about comments on comments?
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tantek pretty sure it's only 2 deep commets (original, comment, comment on comment)
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rhiaro I'm only on mobile so I can't figure out what's going on
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tantek see screenshot on wiki
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#Facebook
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petermolnar it was available sometimes, for some posts, I guess it was running as a/b testing for a long time
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rhiaro Clearly I use Facebook appropriately little to be up to speed
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tantek rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 82 karma
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rhiaro Mine looks slightly different from that screenshot but maybe it's mobile
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tantek more screenshots welcome :)
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rhiaro Yeah I'm mashing the screenshot buttons on my phone but it only works about 10% of the time
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rhiaro And sometimes results in accidentally restarting my phone, it's not great
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KevinMarks__ silo quits: http://www.theawl.com/2015/05/leaving-new-york-and-also-technology
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GWG Good morning
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tommorris.org created /learning (+1816) "getting started" (view diff)
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tommorris ^ contribs welcome
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petermolnar KevinMarks__ I've read that silo quit article you linked from theawl earlier; the only question I have: what does he work? Did he also quit his job? ( slightly offtopic, I know, but I'm interested )
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@elfpavlik Blindfold Boxing - @bblfish comments on early days of @SocialWebWG https://www.youtube.com/ - http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-05-06/line/1430917164811 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/595937636755320833)
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@bblfish RT @elfpavlik: Blindfold Boxing - @bblfish comments on early days of @SocialWebWG https://www.youtube.com/ - http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-05-06/line/1430917164811 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/595938657430851584)
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@glennjones @tristanbailey sorry to hear that, I am looking forward to it. On the plus side @indiewebcamp is usually good at live documentation/video (twitter.com/_/status/595964232463683584)
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kylewm so far only KevinMarks_ and me have RSVPed yes to HWC in SF tonight ... anybody else thinking of coming? benwerd, erinjo, snarfed, j12t, dariusdunlap, danlyke, jjuran?
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tantek kylewm: did you invite people on the FB event?
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tantek from the set of people invited in the past
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tantek ?
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kylewm I can only invite people i'm friends with
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tantek kylewm: hmm - ok
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tantek kylewm: KevinMarks knows many more
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tantek hmm - I think key for each HWC instance is to have 2+ co-organizers attending and actively inviting people
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tantek ok kylewm you asked for it - prepare for Bridgy invitations flood
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kylewm tantek: thanks
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j12t kylwm: I can't, sorry.
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Loqi [mention] Ben Borges commented 'I wish i could attend, that's probably the closest #indieweb event i'll get in Europe for a while..' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany (http://1-m.cc/2015/i-wish-i-could-attend-thats-probably-the-closest-indieweb)
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gregorlove.com edited /Huffduffer (+42) "linkify, formatting" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] Ben Borges commented 'Going to check this tool later, seems nice #podcast #indieweb' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Huffduffer&diff=19068&oldid=prev (http://1-m.cc/2015/going-to-check-this-tool-later-seems-nice-podcast-indieweb)
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@Webwalrus @The_FiveBells Pretty much. Ever tried bridgly? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/595998449075671040)
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KevinMarks__ hm did fb api 2 break loqi getting event notifications?
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@ChrisAldrich Upgrading to @WithKnown 0.7.8 "Makeba" http://assets.withknown.com/releases/known-0.7.8.zip #opensource #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/596018973180874753)
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kylewm KevinMarks__: yeah probably until tantek reauthorizes Bridgy with its new permissions
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kylewm then we'll get a flood
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@silentdan @onigama am wochenende ist @btconf @indiewebcamp webgedönse SA/SO veranstaltungen … geht bis ca. 18:00 uhr SA (twitter.com/_/status/596020285985423361)
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KevinMarks__ hm, I just went to https://www.brid.gy/facebook/724885424# and it didn't as me to reauth
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KevinMarks__ s/as/ask/
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Loqi KevinMarks__ meant to say: hm, I just went to https://www.brid.gy/facebook/724885424# and it didn't ask me to reauth
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kylewm KevinMarks__: is it missing new content for you? seems to be seeing your posts
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KevinMarks__ I just invited people to that event
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tyler.cat created /Template:kodo (+13) "Created page with "Tyler Gillies"" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme who uses git to manage static code?
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ben_thatmustbeme for their site
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ben_thatmustbeme that came out really general
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kylewm what's static code?
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sparverius not exeucted on server?
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sparverius or parsed only vs executed
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ben_thatmustbeme wondering about micropub support for static sites basically
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro, pointed out gitpub for example
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kylewm KevinMarks__: I think it's seeing them https://www.brid.gy/facebook/12802152
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KevinMarks__ i have my site in git
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KevinMarks__ https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com
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KevinMarks__ (statically served with node on heroku)
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KevinMarks__ so you can send me typo fixes via pull requests: https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/pull/1
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snarfed mine too: https://github.com/snarfed/snarfed.org
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kylewm snarfed?? how's this?
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snarfed it's the canonical copy., at least of posts/pages. for those, the wordpress db is derived
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KevinMarks__ heh, I haven't hit the folder cap yet
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KevinMarks__ so yours are markdown?
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snarfed yup
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KevinMarks__ with my noterlive ones I post the text and the html, but the text isn't really the source of the html
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snarfed i use a big ugly shell script around blogpost.py: https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress/blob/master/blogpost.sh
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snarfed ah interesting
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KevinMarks__ https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/blob/master/web/hwc2015-04-22.txt
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snarfed oh nm that repo is private
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KevinMarks__ and https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/blob/master/web/hwc2015-04-22.html
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KevinMarks__ are both generated by noterlive, but I don't have a script to make one from the other at the moemnt
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG I've been working on my webactions/post UI code.
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zachdonovan how's it going?
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GWG zachdonovan: I'm having some Workflow questions.
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GWG Is it better to send a URL in and have it create a post or show a form first?
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zachdonovan how would you send the URL without a form?
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zachdonovan encoded as a query-string parameter?
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GWG zachdonovan: Yes
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GWG I have that set up.
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zachdonovan are you finding that you often want to add a comment of some sort?
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zachdonovan it seems to me that if you usually wanted to add some of your thoughts along with the action, then showing a form makes sense
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zachdonovan if, conversely, you generally just want to link and be done with it, then you can save yourself a page load and a form submission by eagerly creating the post.
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GWG My solution was to add a query parameter to post directly.
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zachdonovan neat! how do you decide when to enable/disable that parameter?
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zachdonovan do you write the querystring out yourself?
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GWG zachdonovan: That is the question. For some things, it is impossible. You can't do that for a reply. But for a bookmark....
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GWG In testing, I do.
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zachdonovan hmmm
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GWG But in usage... I keep moving intermediate versions of the code to my actual site for real testing.
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zachdonovan What if you create the post when you have enough information (e.g., for a bookmark), and show the form in all circumstances?
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GWG zachdonovan: Sometimes I may just be bookmarking as a private post.
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zachdonovan haha, fair enough
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Loqi rofl
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GWG So, then I might come back later and change it to public or like it.
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zachdonovan right, yes, that makes sense
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GWG I hope to get it working to the point I could use it soon.
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zachdonovan could you use it in some restricted fashion right now? Just supporting bookmarking, for example?
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zachdonovan or just supporting public bookmarking, even
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GWG I should be at that point this week
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Loqi I agree
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GWG Then I can refine
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@dailypia @fruehlingsmama Die Kommentare offener Accounts zu Artikeln werden via webmention dort gesammelt. (twitter.com/_/status/596042539725168641)
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zachdonovan I'm sure that will really clarify how you want the interface to work.
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan posted 'hey Loqi' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi (https://kylewm.com/2015/05/hey-loqi-http-indiewebcamp-com-loqi)
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tantek how's HWC?
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GWG In which city?
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tantek was thinking SF but it's too early