#indiewebcamp 2015-05-09

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@RobDolinMS
@lifehacker Maybe this article should really be about hosting your own. #IndieWeb /cc @t
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GWG
Hmm... Makes me wonder what else I could self host.
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tantek
There's no need for u-(x-)mention-of! Mentions are the unmarked up fallback - hence web*mention*
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Loqi
tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 5/8 at 4:13am: updated quite a bit and I go much further back https://ben.thatmustbe.me/activity http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431083622828
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tantek
you need an else clause after all when you receive a webmention and are trying to figure out what kind it is. if it has no explicit u-*-of, then it's a mention.
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tantek
(a bit surprised that's not obvious)
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tantek
point is - webmention works all on its own for mentions - no need for any markup
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tantek
(except HTML a/link href obv to confirm the source links to the target)
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tantek
looks like some good hackernews attention on IndieWebify.me
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tantek
what is Grooveshark?
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loqi.me
created /Grooveshark (+206) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431139699196 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
what is Wunderkit
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tantek
Wunderkit was a web-based to-do manager that shutdown 2012-??-?? https://www.wunderlist.com/blog/the-future-of-6wunderkinder-hello-wunderlist-2/
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loqi.me
created /Wunderkit (+171) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431139839082 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
btw this tweet is by one of the previously active co-authors of ActivityStreams: https://twitter.com/RobDolinMS/status/596829501599846400
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@RobDolinMS
@lifehacker Maybe this article should really be about hosting your own. #IndieWeb /cc @t
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /Wunderkit (+50) "see also"
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tantek.com
edited /Grooveshark (+12) "silo"
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tantek.com
edited /Wunderkit (+12) "silo"
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GWG
I'm blanking on a term here. Microformats, microdata, etc are examples of ____.
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KartikPrabhu
what is microformats?
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Loqi
microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats
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jawny
So, this indieweb thing seems pretty cool. Has anyone else done something like this before?
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GWG
Like what?
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GWG
Since the web began, people have had websites of their own.
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GWG
There has been a concept of decentralization on and off for some time.
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jawny
so basically indie web is just about getting your own website, and then connecting your other web stuff to it?
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KartikPrabhu
jawny: connecting your other web stuff and also connecting other people's sites through comments and replies and so on
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GWG
jawny: If everything you create is on your site, it will be there even if the other sites you participate in goes away.
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tantek
what is the indieweb?
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jawny
GWG: I like that a lot more, do I need to buy my own domain?
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Loqi
The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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GWG
jawny: When you want your own home, you have to buy or rent it.
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GWG
If you buy a domain, as long as you renew it, it is yours forever. You can move it anywhere.
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GWG
You can get a domain for under $10 a year
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jawny
Sweet, I was planning on starting my own blog/website anyway, so I might as well
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GWG
jawny: So, the question is what do you want?
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jawny
GWG: I'm not really sure, I know that for my own domain I was planning on showcasing my own projects as well as just must my own writing, which would be about tech, and maybe philosophy
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GWG
jawny: My advice...create a site, create content on it.
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jawny
GWG: I'll do just that, thanks!
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GWG
Once you have a site, there are things you can do that we discuss a lot here. For example, how you syndicate that content to other sites, how you pull responses back to your own site.
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jawny
Cool
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jawny
Sounds good, unfortunately, I don't have the moeny for a site just yet
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jawny
I just paid the guy I'm subletting from his rent, so I just need to wait for my next paycheck
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GWG
There are a lot of options in that area. What sort of budget are you thinking you need?
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jawny
Honestly, I can probably afford 10 a month, I just blew all my money recently
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jawny
but really I'm just looking for something to post articles on, and that's it
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jawny
for projects on the web I'd probably buy another domain just for the project, or something like that
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GWG
If you want to run your own VPS, I know a company that will offer a small one for $12/year.
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jawny
Im guessing vps stands for virtual private server?
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GWG
Yes.
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jawny
What would be some good reasons for getting a vps?
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GWG
If you want to manage your own server. Sometimes that is a good learning experience, sometimes it distracts from other considerations
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: what is web hosting?
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: hrm, maybe slack doesn't trigger it
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GWG
What is web hosting?
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Loqi
Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) https://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting
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jawny
So what's better, buying a domain, or web hosting?
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jawny
Or would a vps, or having my own server give me the most freedom?
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GWG
The domain is just the place you point your hosting at, be it shared or not.
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell tantek re:mention-of yes, i have an else clause, I know its a mention when i receive it, but in a stream of my activies it doesn't really make sense. (ben.thatmustbe.me/activity) Either its going to be just a random link which leaves it as some generic h-entry, and i assume those are mentions, or I just give it an explicit type
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tefka
hello there ! =)
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GWG
Hello, tefka
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tefka
hello GWG ^^
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GWG
What brings you here?
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tefka
the indiewebcamp homepage ^^
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tefka
I am reading up on the things on there
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jawny
I like the indie web a lot
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GWG
That's what brought me here. I like the principles.
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@btconf
Good morning. It’s #IndieWebCamp day! @aaronpk, @adactio and me hope that not too many ppl will be affected by the train strike.
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jawny
I love the principles
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@btconf
Information about today’s @indiewebcamp at http://t.co/UV6NAnlD0J. Address: sipgate, Gladbacher Str. 74
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@marcthiele
RT @btconf: Good morning. It’s #IndieWebCamp day! @aaronpk, @adactio and me hope that not too many ppl will be affected by the train strike.
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@marcthiele
RT @btconf: Information about today’s @indiewebcamp at http://t.co/UV6NAnlD0J. Address: sipgate, Gladbacher Str. 74
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@ExplodingAds
TylerJay comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.explodingads.com/?p=6986 - #startup #trending #socialmedia #news #business #marketing #entrepreneur
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@nathanieloffer
Reading up on the #Indieweb & just created my own site on https://withknown.com #posse
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@offeryour
TylerJay comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=183432 #sales #marketing
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@Renaade
RT @btconf: Information about today’s @indiewebcamp at http://t.co/UV6NAnlD0J. Address: sipgate, Gladbacher Str. 74
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@rstrangh
@danielpietzsch shit, just got sick. No #IndieWebCamp for me this year. Sorry for letting you down man.
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@Renaade
Wer hat an der Uhr gedreht? Jetzt aber schnell zu @indiewebcamp
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp! Wie gehts Düsseldorf?
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Loqi
tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: re:mention-of yes, i have an else clause, I know its a mention when i receive it, but in a stream of my activies it doesn't really make sense. (ben.thatmustbe.me/activity) Either its going to be just a random link which leaves it as some generic h-entry, and i assume those are mentions, or I just give it an explicit type http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431147971014
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tantek
Loqi got truncated ^^^
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Loqi
who, me?
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rhiaro
tantek: there's coffee and whiteboards, off to a good start
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tantek
and wifi apparently too :) yes that's a good start!
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tantek
is there a schedule / empty session grid?
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rhiaro
Aaron is making it
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rhiaro
Right this minute
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rhiaro
Half an hour til the actual start
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@danielpietzsch
And off to #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf...
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tantek
rhiaro: sounds "just in time" "Agile" :)
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tantek
really hope to see more use-case / user-centric discussions happen than plumbing discussions
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tantek
FWIW today (2015-05-08) social web wg IRC was nearly all plumbing-centric mishmashing :/
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rhiaro
Which conversation?
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tantek
all the stuff about refactoring API as data vs CRUD, or the whole acct:/Webfinger distraction etc.
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tantek
nearly all the conversations :(
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tantek
technology people easily get sucked into the trap of plumbing arguments
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tantek
instead of knowing to say STOP, what's the use-case driving this discussion?
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rhiaro
Oh I'm ignoring both of those
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rhiaro
I'm sure they'll work themselves out/go away
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rhiaro
Picking my battles carefully
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@btconf
Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1
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tantek
rhiaro: it just makes me sad to see the plumbing noise in the social web wg drown out (even discourage) the quieter user-centric discussions :(
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rhiaro
tantek: the useful discussions are still happening IRL at the moment :)
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rhiaro
We should really scribe ourselves into irc
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tantek
rhiaro: the only way we stay user/use-case focused here in indiewebcamp is by actively minimizing/off the plumbing-centric debates and plumbing pitches that (some) people show up and do
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adactio.com
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christopheducamp.com
edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (-326) "/* Participants */ -1 Won't be able to join. Auli & elf, please excuse me."
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rhiaro
commences scribing IWC demos
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rhiaro
adactio: Jeremy, adactio.com, runs php and mysql for a long time. Added something at every IWC to make it more fun. Post notes (basically tweets) to own site and synidcate to twitter
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rhiaro
adactio: also get responses from facebook, twitter, instagram, and publish, using webmention, setup 2 years ago
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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rhiaro
adactio: signin using indieauth. Post from to site from someone else's client using micropub
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rhiaro
adactio: demos posting with Quill
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slvrbckt
\o/
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rhiaro
adactio: with SMS authentication
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rhiaro
adactio: with micropub you can turn anything into a client so you don't have to build your own pretty interfaces, piggyback on someone else's
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rhiaro
adactio: demos posting to own site from instagram
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rhiaro
aaronpk: aaronparecki.com, messy pile of php, which is fine..
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rhiaro
aaronpk: also posts from quill, and pebble app for tracking food
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rhiaro
aaronpk logs coffee
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rhiaro
screenshot of pebble at teacup.p3k.io/pebble
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rhiaro
aaronpk: watch is making micropub request
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rhiaro
aaronpk: using micropub for more than just text notes
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rhiaro
aaronpk: demos Monocle. To read people's posts without going to their sites. Old style RSS readers like inbox style, but now shift towards stream like interface
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rhiaro
monocle.p3k.io
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rhiaro
aaronpk signs into monocle with indieauth
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rhiaro
aaronpk: reader just reading microformats on people's websites and reformatting
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rhiaro
... clicks a post from benwerd
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rhiaro
... star or repost directly from reader
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rhiaro
... posts to own site
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rhiaro
... also via micropub
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rhiaro
... so own site is the source of this data
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rhiaro
... implemented webmentions
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rhiaro
... publishes blog posts
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rhiaro
... shows people responding from their own sites via webmention
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rhiaro
... shows one of adactio's posts on his site that shows up as reply
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rhiaro
... last year implemented indieaction markup
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rhiaro
... want to switch to something file based
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rhiaro
fkooman: demos indiecert
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rhiaro
... micropub + indiecert
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rhiaro
... indiecert is different from webid
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rhiaro
... also uses Quill, using own implementation of indieauth not aaron's
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rhiaro
... signs into quill, browser pops up cert, approves request
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rhiaro
... another method of authentication compared to SMS or twitter. Don't rely on any third parties
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rhiaro
... Posts using Quill via micropub
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rhiaro
... indiecert.net
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rhiaro
... log in, displays access tokens granted
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rhiaro
... still work to do
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rhiaro
... questions?
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rhiaro
michielbdejong: why better?
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rhiaro
fkooman: does not depend on third parties
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rhiaro
??: how easy to install?
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rhiaro
fkooman: quiet easy
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rhiaro
... indiecert takes care of generating, install cert in browser
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rhiaro
... demos installing in private browser
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rhiaro
... rel="me" with fingerprint in the same way as other indieauth
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rhiaro
... feel free to try it and ask if you run into problems!
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rhiaro
... all on github
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rhiaro
github.com/fkooman/indiecert
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rhiaro
... also has dockerfiles
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rhiaro
docker++
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Loqi
docker has 7 karma
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rhiaro
glennjones: glennjones.net
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rhiaro
... quite bare at the moment, latest tweet
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rhiaro
... likes and retweets
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rhiaro
... my own backend for adding stuff to twitter, transmat
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rhiaro
... (transomat?)
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rhiaro
... backend understands twitter @mentions and urls and autolinks
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rhiaro
... written a plugin, adds reply-to query string to url from twitter
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rhiaro
... my site takes that, goes to twitter, parses tweet to add reply context, also injects name
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rhiaro
... Also started collecting checkins, have own venues database
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rhiaro
... looked at using foursquare, didn't like t&c about mixing content
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rhiaro
... to checkin, click checkin button, does geo lookup, looks into database for 300m radius and adds venue - injects venu h-card
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rhiaro
... put no text, so adds to checkins database
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rhiaro
... keeps most of them private, collects information for self
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rhiaro
... don't use bridgy, have own method for getting replies/likes etc
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rhiaro
... main problem with checkins is do it out and about, wifi not good, spend too long being unsocialbe looking at phone
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rhiaro
... next interface will use serviceworkers to cache everything on phone
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rhiaro
... built javascript database
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rhiaro
... *demos*
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rhiaro
... gets all venue data from site and stores locally
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rhiaro
... sorted geographically
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rhiaro
... also searchable
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rhiaro
... *searches 'pub lond' and gets london pubs*
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rhiaro
... all clientside, works offline, really fast
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rhiaro
... next stage is to integrate with posting interface
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rhiaro
... cache checkins, poll internet until gets connection, then send
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rhiaro
adactio: if I wanted to do this, I could use your list of places?
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rhiaro
glennjones: or use your own list. Not live yet.
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rhiaro
... you can use other people's lists and publish straight to own site
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rhiaro
... maybe could aggregate people's places together if lots of people use it
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rhiaro
... would like to talk about how to build nicer interfaces
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rhiaro
would like to use this ^
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rhiaro
LukasRos: lukasrosenstock.net
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rhiaro
... likes app.net, different approach with payment instead of ads
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rhiaro
... interesting experiment to use app.net and let them have the data, but at the same time get everything onto own domain
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rhiaro
... PESOS approach
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rhiaro
... not doing exactly that, no database yet, pulling straight from API
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rhiaro
... every post on my site is on app.net
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rhiaro
... but each has own url on my domain, so even if app.net goes down still available
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rhiaro
... has microformats and RSS feeds, so people can consume with readers
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rhiaro
... also has micropub integration
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rhiaro
... *demos posting with Quill*
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rhiaro
... shows an error even though it has been posted..
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rhiaro
... also posted on app.net
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rhiaro
... micropub part is still under development, but getting posts from app.net on own site is open source
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rhiaro
... on github
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rhiaro
Bastian: demo file-based CMS called Kirby (?)
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rhiaro
can't see url, forgot glasses...
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rhiaro
... shows how files are created on system
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rhiaro
... spent time building public APIs to write and read files
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rhiaro
... so you can provide your own interface for it
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@ChrisAldrich
Microformats 2 Version of Underscores Starter Theme with #Indieweb Support for #Wordpress via @dshanske https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_s
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rhiaro
... very simple
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rhiaro
^ this looks super pretty
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rhiaro
... creates markdown files
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rhiaro
... currently has custom authentication system, would like to combine with indieauth
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rhiaro
... and implement webmentions etc
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rhiaro
... not indieweb yet, but hope to make it so
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@btconf
Yummy! Breakfast options at #IndieWebCamp and #st4i workshop. Welcome! #btconf https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596959179371347968/photo/1
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rhiaro
Daniel Pietzsch: shows blog
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rhiaro
can someone who can read screen add url please?
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rhiaro
... signs in with indieauth
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rhiaro
... authenticates with last.fm
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rhiaro
... use tumblr to syndicate to twitter and flickr
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rhiaro
... this weekend I'd like to learn more about indieweb building blocks, probably implement webmentions
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adactio
Now rhiaro is demoing...
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aaronpk_
amy is up next: rhiaro.co.uk
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aaronpk_
amy: php site, stores everything in a triple store, rdf
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aaronpk_
... publishes posts using quilll
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aaronpk_
... also uses teacup for posting food, but doesn't have a pebble so uses the web interface
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aaronpk_
... signing in to teacup.p3k.io
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aaronpk_
... signed in using twitter, wants to add more ways of signing in not using twitter
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aaronpk_
... posts checkins on her site as well
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aaronpk_
... stores geo checkins with actual locations, but doesn't display them yet
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aaronpk_
... one goal this weekend is to have a place for those
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aaronpk_
... also events
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rhiaro
sebastian Kippe: does indieauth
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rhiaro
... events from lanyards, but would like to replace that
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rhiaro
... dont' actually want everything public
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rhiaro
... files in remotestorage, 5apps
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rhiaro
... logs into sharesome to allow it to use 5apps storage
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rhiaro
... could be own website, not 5apps
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rhiaro
... *uploads file to sharesome*
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rhiaro
sharesome.5apps.com
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rhiaro
... *results in url*
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rhiaro
^^^^^
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rhiaro
... any remotestorage server can do this
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rhiaro
... anyone can write their own apps, I can connect my storage to people's apps
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aaronpk
Wait so remote storage is like a prettier version of WebDAV?
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rhiaro
... anyone interested in using remotestorage as a backend store for indieweb publishing, can talk about this
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rhiaro
Rogier: killerog.com
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rhiaro
adactio: come on, there are more websites to demo :)
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rhiaro
aaronpk: we need even less shyness, we're going to start making sessions.
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rhiaro
We're ahead of scheduel!
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rhiaro
designsession++
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Loqi
designsession has 1 karma
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@DigestWordpress
RT @ChrisAldrich: Microformats 2 Version of Underscores Starter Theme with #Indieweb Support for #Wordpress via @dshanske https://t.co/Y32A…
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@kevinmarks
RT @ChrisAldrich: Microformats 2 Version of Underscores Starter Theme with #Indieweb Support for #Wordpress via @dshanske https://t.co/Y32A…
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@pixelsultan
RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1
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@pallas23
RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1
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@g16n
“So we name the rooms: room 1 and room A.” —@adactio ;-) #IndieWebCamp
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rhiaro
Important note for everyone not at IWC Dusseldorf: the food is AMAZING
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rhiaro
sorrynotsorry
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@killerog
Just to warn people, timeline might get busy with #IndieWebCamp tweets :-)
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@glennjones
So the @indiewebcamp sessions start: markup, webmentions, offline, micropub, ui design
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@jkphl
@srbanister Klar, nicht zum ersten Mal. Du hättest mal bei der letzten @border_none dabei sein sollen — das war dicht dran. #indieweb
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@jkphl
@srbanister Yep. Langfristiger Plan meinerseits, sobald unsere neuen Räume einsatzbereit sind. Ich sag nur http://indieweb.club ...
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@jkphl
#IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the same time
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@saemple
RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1
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@jkphl
Keep an eye on http://t.co/OrSJ8e7F61. AFAIK it's going to support @microformats / h-event both reading and markup-wise #indieweb
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@sipgateDE
RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1
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@ThatEmil
Trying to figure out how to go from a Webmention to a URL to knowing that the content available on that URL accepts webmentions (in Django).
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@ThatEmil
Thinking so far: accept the webmention, send a signal passing along the URL somehow, model listens to signal, looks up instance and checks.
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aaronparecki.com
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@Raaphorst
@MichaelMinneboo @wissewords @emijnsbergen @metkcom ben voorstander van indieweb, content op allerlei plaatsen aanbieden
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@testadopaynesz
RT @SoloDMOfficiel: RT @SoloDMOfficiel: Interactive #javascript canvas to display Character Class info! #indieweb #webdev http://t.co/k0yU…
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@testadopaynesz
RT @SoloDMOfficiel: Interactive #javascript canvas to display Character Class info! #indieweb #webdev http://www.osoftdev.com/osd_products/Saga/ http://t.co/S…
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aaronpk
rhiaro: we have an etherpad too :) http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com
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@jkphl
Next: Session about hosting — what might make publishing easier and more accessible to a broader audience? #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/597002516191150081/photo/1
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@ThatEmil
@BarnabyWalters I'm thinking a Webmention model storing all incoming mentions, and other models may or may not listen to post_save signal.
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@rhiaro
RT @jkphl: Next: Session about hosting — what might make publishing easier and more accessible to a broader audience? #indieweb http://t.co…
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@jkphl
#IndieWebCamp folks: Re rel=pgpkey, pls have a look at (and support) http:/// +@mxstbr
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ben_thatmustbeme
is there a talky link for this?
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ben_thatmustbeme
or anything of this
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: aaronpk: ^^^
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@mxstbr
RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: Re rel=pgpkey, pls have a look at (and support) http:/// +@mxstbr
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: haven't seen any sign of livestreaming
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rhiaro
could be wrong
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ben_thatmustbeme
etherpad doesn't seem like its being used and no one is minuting :(
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rhiaro
oh I guess aaron started minuting but he's talking
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rhiaro
and my brain is asleep
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rhiaro
he's talking through how indieauth works
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ben_thatmustbeme
grid is empty
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rhiaro
good plan
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@ExplodingAds
mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.explodingads.com/?p=7441 - #startup #trending #socialmedia #news #business #marketing #entrepreneur
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@ExplodingAds
mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.explodingads.com/?p=7444 - #startup #trending #socialmedia #news #business #marketing #entrepreneur
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indie-visitor
Hi chat room. Not made it over from Cologne today. Have a good day there.
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Loqi
indie-visitor: tantek left you a message on 4/22 at 4:35pm: if you're zachdonovan, use: /nick zachdonovan to set your nickname! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-22/line/1429745740230
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@offeryour
mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=183901 #sales #marketing
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@offeryour
mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=183904 #sales #marketing
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GWG
How are things in DUS?
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lukasrosenstock.net
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GWG
Someone tweeted my starter theme? Hmm...
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GWG
Just catching up, ben_thatmustbeme.
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rhiaro
(controversial linked data session link dropping, don't mind me)
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GWG
We were hoping for more than link dropping.
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rhiaro
I want it on record that I did *not* propose this topic :)
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GWG
elf-pavlik?
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rhiaro
GWG: he's not here
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rhiaro
I'm not laying blame
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raucao
if it helps we're discussing this not just for indieweb per se
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rhiaro
raucao: I don't think that helps, we're at indiewebcamp....
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LukasRos
For the record it was me who wanted to talk about linked data at IndieWebCamp.
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GWG
rhiaro: I thought it might have been inspired by his recent discussion about it.
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LukasRos
”žPhone stuff“ session with two people only! :o
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GWG
LukasRos: What is 'phone stuff'?
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aaronpk
leaning about building offline apps with serviceworkers in the "Foo" room
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rhiaro.co.uk
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kirilind.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
really wish other people could here these discussions ...
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kylewm
huh, I'd assumed the sessions would be in German
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kylewm
(guten morgen indiewebcamp)
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ben_thatmustbeme
initial mock-up of something i'm working on
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GWG
kylewm: Isn't it afternoon there?
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GWG
I think I found a way to make the WordPress people happy and get what I want at the same time.
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GWG
Of course, I've been wrong before.
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kylewm
GWG: how did the discussion with wordpress about adding mf2 to core go?
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GWG
kylewm: No interest or comments. I'm trying a less direct way
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GWG
I'm trying to wrap it in a broader focus and see if anyone bites.
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GWG
There is only one real place in core that has classic microformats. A function called post_class, which adds hentry to everything.
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GWG
I'm trying to get the function superseded.
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@bl1nk
@bastianallgeier Ever thought about writing an article about making kirby ready for the indieweb? (webmentions, weblogin etc)
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GWG
At the same time, I'm working on my ideas as a plugin, so I can show proof of concept.
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aaronpk
some thoughts for tomorrow's sessions http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/day2
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tantek
good evening IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf!
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tantek
the morning demos sounded amazing
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@bastianallgeier
@bl1nk there’s a good chance there will be a webmentions plugin after tomorrow.
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tantek
reads logs and tweets
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kylewm
tantek: would you please mark @ExplodingAds and @offeryour as spam?
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tantek
!spam ExplodingAds
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tantek
!spammer ExplodingAds
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Loqi
Got it! There are now 21 spammers blacklisted
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tantek
!spammer offeryour
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Loqi
Got it! There are now 22 spammers blacklisted
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tantek
and all caught up on logs - seems like they were pretty quiet after demos
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tantek
hopes rhiaro kept the LD session focused on solving user-centric problems rather than "what ifs" and other theory ;)
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tantek
posted a bunch of likes of tweets - curious about how those show up in various readers - i.e. are readers intelligently collapsing them - or do they show up as individual line-items (thus flooding).
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tantek
e.g. in Monocle (cc aaronpk) and kylewm's reader (Woodwind?)
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kylewm
flooding, although I don't mind it, and would like to start pulling in a link-preview of like posts
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tantek
kylewm: interesting, so you're thinking the opposite direction - rather than collapsing adjacent/similar like posts, you're thinking of expanding them all
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tantek
which is actually what FB did in one their UI experiments, e.g. see screenshot here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Prefers_Pageviews_Over_Efficient_UX
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kylewm
yes, something like, generate a preview from the original post if possible; failing that use the u-like-of h-cite or u-repost-of h-cite
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kylewm
the latter to capture acegiak's tumblr reposts that i won't be able to generate from mf2
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tantek
note the person "reading" (top left corner small icon) is *different* from the photo post, then the like post
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tantek
re: tumblr posts - I wonder if it's possible to make a microformats2 shim for tumblr the way BarnabyWalters did for Twitter permalinks
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tantek
anyway - enjoy the test case of lots of likes while it's at the top of my site - I'm going out for a quick run :)
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kylewm
lol, tantek knows no jetlag
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kylewm
enjoy!
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@seb_ly
If anyone at @btconf at the NH hotel has a standard USB cable can you let me know? Thanks! #st4i #IndieWebCamp
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tantek
ok now, I'm going for a run (had to take care of a few things) - kylewm here's a better link for that integrated reading + expansion of like to link preview example: https://indiewebcamp.com/reader#Integrated_Activity_Reading
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GWG
Hello ben_thatmustbeme
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@LukasRosenstock
Any #indiewebcamp folks in Düsseldorf with plans for the evening, e.g. dinner, who I could join? Tweet me!
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HugoDaniel
hello
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GWG
Hello HugoDaniel
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HugoDaniel
hi GWG
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HugoDaniel
im interested in the indie web :)
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HugoDaniel
i have been doing a personal server with a very similar purpose to the one described on your site
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GWG
HugoDaniel: You've come to the right place
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GWG
HugoDaniel: What is the URL?
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HugoDaniel
keep your own data, work offline sync online, run multiple services in a single click and a friendly dashboard ui
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HugoDaniel
not yet released, but hope to do it very soon
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GWG
HugoDaniel: What is your biggest desire to achieve for yourself?
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GWG
What do you want to be able to do?
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HugoDaniel
in life ?
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HugoDaniel
or with this ?
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HugoDaniel
:D
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GWG
HugoDaniel: In this. For example, I have been moving toward owning my bookmarks. Keeping them on my site instead of in a Read It Later service.
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HugoDaniel
with this i hope to allow developers to easily code their tools for the web in a free distributed way, or to allow people to achieve things that are not easily possible with today browser technology
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HugoDaniel
i have a personal project that was the main motivator, a online remixer for the modern web, hope to start a kickstarter for it soon
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GWG
HugoDaniel: Community wise, we tend to focus on personal goals, but we have a few people who are building bigger solutions.
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HugoDaniel
imagina plug in your mpc drum machine via usb and play together with other people on the web
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HugoDaniel
stream your sessions or record them for future ref.
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GWG
HugoDaniel: It sounds interesting. I wish you luck with that.
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HugoDaniel
thanks
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HugoDaniel
what kind of personal goals ?
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HugoDaniel
simple things ?
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HugoDaniel
like owning your feed ?
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HugoDaniel
given the current state i guess that would actually not be a simple thing :/
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GWG
HugoDaniel: Taking control of what you do online.
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GWG
For example, post to your own website and syndicate that to other sites. Pull back responses.
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HugoDaniel
nice
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HugoDaniel
like salmon protocol
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GWG
For example, I can post something on my site, you can reply to it on yours. My site will display your reply. So, each side has a copy of the interaction.
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GWG
HugoDaniel: We are trying for simpler, but yes.
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GWG
Salmon is a bit complicated.
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HugoDaniel
yes
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GWG
What we do is html based for the most part
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HugoDaniel
oh cool
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HugoDaniel
microdata
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KevinMarks_
microformats, rather
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HugoDaniel
i have to read up on that
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GWG
HugoDaniel: Our wiki is full of interesting information.
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GWG
KevinMarks_: Did you catch the conversation on TWIG this week? It was one I wished you had been around to advocate during.
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HugoDaniel
im looking at it
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GWG
HugoDaniel: You can also just ask.
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GWG
What is the Indieweb?
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Loqi
The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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GWG
We have the wiki linked to the room
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KevinMarks_
not heard this week's TWiG yet - what part?
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GWG
KevinMarks_: The gang was discussing posting on their own sites vs places like Medium.
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GWG
KevinMarks_: Exactly.
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GWG
KevinMarks_: I'd better get a better venue for our next HWC in NYC
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GWG
I think I proposed a deli to zachdonovan
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tantek___
GWG I will be in NYC 2015-05-20 - hope I can make it to your HWC meetup!
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tantek___
HugoDaniel, welcome! And what's your personal site?
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GWG
tantek___: I'd better borrow a venue quick.
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GWG
I think switching to a food venue until more interest grows is a safe bet.
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GWG
tantek___: Either way, I think you are a big attraction.
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GWG
You know people.
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@johannesdachsel
Had a great first day at #IndieWebCamp #btconf
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GWG
Apparently, I'm still tab challenged in my programming.
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@danbri
RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the s…
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@Bill_Riley
RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the s…
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aaronpk
omg i think i just figured out why the wiki was logging some people out randomly
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: why?
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KartikPrabhu
so why some people? should that not have happened for everyone?
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aaronpk
i think it depended on how long it had been since you were last there, and the random number generator on the server
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aaronpk
the cron job goes and cleans up "old" sessions randomly
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ben_thatmustbeme
Not exactly randomly. Every 30 minutes
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aaronpk
every 30 minutes with a random probabiliy
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ben_thatmustbeme
In other words it just deletes expired sessions. .. did people bout expect their sessions to expire?
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aaronpk
http://php.net/manual/en/sessionhandler.gc.php "The frequency this is called is based on the session.gc_divisor and session.gc_probability configuration directives."
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aaronpk
and "Sessions that have not updated for the last maxlifetime seconds will be removed."
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aaronpk
so it's *possible* that your session would be removed after maxlifetime, nbut not guaranteed
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ben_thatmustbeme
So every 30 minutes cron cleans up what php hasn't randomly done itself
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aaronpk
and definiely coming to the wiki often would extend your session
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aaronpk
anyway i made maxlifetime like 3 months so you should stay logged in way longer now
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@aaronpk
Note to self: Don't add the appcache header to your site template so that it renders on every page... #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk, its possible, but the max would be only 30 minutes after your session expired
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ben_thatmustbeme
and even with that, the server should not be using a session that is past max lifetime whether or not it was deleted yet
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aaronpk
the problem is when the php runtime sets a different value than is in the ini file
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aaronpk
because the cron job uses the ini setting
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aaronpk
but you may have overridden the lifetime in code
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ben_thatmustbeme
so 3 month sessions
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aaronpk
crossing my fingers
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ben_thatmustbeme
hope that doesn't get too crowded
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aaronpk
we'll see what other obscure thing i run into next
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ben_thatmustbeme
still need to roll in that heartbeat for the logs beta chat
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aaronpk
what's that?
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ben_thatmustbeme
so you don't get that issue of people's nicks stuck logged in
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ben_thatmustbeme
i had found some code to fix it
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aaronpk
ah right
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@fdevillamil
💫@joelgascoigne publish on your own blog, then duplicate on Medium. Your blog might survive Medium after all. #indieweb
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@hereinthehive
@seb_ly Ahh the modern world. Suck doesn't it! How did #IndieWebCamp go?
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@Rrfly
RT @fdevillamil: 💫@joelgascoigne publish on your own blog, then duplicate on Medium. Your blog might survive Medium after all. #indieweb
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Jeena
the worst thing with POSSE is that freaking Facebook keeps changing their API which breaks my website at least once a year
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG
I just got the WordPress release lead for 4.3 commenting on my hfeed issue. That is promising.
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: Jeena: we definitely commiserate, we've had to do lots for bridgy too :/
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GWG
snarfed: I have a bit of a dilemma that includes you again.
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, not sure brid.gy liked the non english slug
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: What are you up to?
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Loqi
Welcome to news about the IndieWeb where recent notable articles about the IndieWeb are cited and linked to keep you up to date https://indiewebcamp.com/you_up_to
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KevinMarks_
python 2.7 is a bugger like that
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tefka
I have a question ... why does the "indieweb software" collection mostly consist of blogging software ? why is there no software for other activities related to the web ?
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KevinMarks_
becasue that's what we've mostly been building for our own sites
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KevinMarks_
what kind of thing do you want?
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frzn
tefka: gnu does other kind of softwares
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@zdrojak
RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the s…
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