#indiewebcamp 2015-05-09

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@RobDolinMS @lifehacker Maybe this article should really be about hosting your own. #IndieWeb /cc @t (twitter.com/_/status/596829501599846400)
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GWG Hmm... Makes me wonder what else I could self host.
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tantek There's no need for u-(x-)mention-of! Mentions are the unmarked up fallback - hence web*mention*
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 5/8 at 4:13am: updated quite a bit and I go much further back https://ben.thatmustbe.me/activity http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431083622828
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tantek you need an else clause after all when you receive a webmention and are trying to figure out what kind it is. if it has no explicit u-*-of, then it's a mention.
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tantek (a bit surprised that's not obvious)
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tantek point is - webmention works all on its own for mentions - no need for any markup
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tantek (except HTML a/link href obv to confirm the source links to the target)
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tantek looks like some good hackernews attention on IndieWebify.me
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tantek what is Grooveshark?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Grooveshark" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Grooveshark&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-08%2Fline%2F1431139699196
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tantek Grooveshark was a streaming music service that shutdown 2015-04-30. http://lifehacker.com/music-service-grooveshark-one-of-our-favorite-streamin-1701394611 http://grooveshark.com/
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loqi.me created /Grooveshark (+206) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431139699196 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is Wunderkit
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Wunderkit" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Wunderkit&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-08%2Fline%2F1431139839082
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tantek Wunderkit was a web-based to-do manager that shutdown 2012-??-?? https://www.wunderlist.com/blog/the-future-of-6wunderkinder-hello-wunderlist-2/
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loqi.me created /Wunderkit (+171) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431139839082 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek btw this tweet is by one of the previously active co-authors of ActivityStreams: https://twitter.com/RobDolinMS/status/596829501599846400
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@RobDolinMS @lifehacker Maybe this article should really be about hosting your own. #IndieWeb /cc @t (twitter.com/_/status/596829501599846400)
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tantek.com edited /Grooveshark (+63) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+690) "/* Past */ add Grooveshark, Wunderkit" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Wunderkit (+50) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Grooveshark (+12) "silo" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Wunderkit (+12) "silo" (view diff)
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@DataC5155 http://www.osoftdev.com/osd_products/StarFighter/ #indieweb #webdevelopment https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/596873650554277889 (twitter.com/_/status/596874086166437888)
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@TheIndieSloth RT @DataC5155: http://www.osoftdev.com/osd_products/StarFighter/ #indieweb #webdevelopment https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/596873650554277889 (twitter.com/_/status/596874130030469121)
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GWG I'm blanking on a term here. Microformats, microdata, etc are examples of ____.
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KartikPrabhu what is microformats?
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Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats
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@FlappyTeam RT DataC5155: http://www.osoftdev.com/osd_products/StarFighter/ #indieweb #webdevelopment https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/596873650554277889 (via TheIndieSloth) (twitter.com/_/status/596876085947736065)
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jawny So, this indieweb thing seems pretty cool. Has anyone else done something like this before?
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GWG Like what?
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GWG Since the web began, people have had websites of their own.
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GWG There has been a concept of decentralization on and off for some time.
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jawny so basically indie web is just about getting your own website, and then connecting your other web stuff to it?
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KartikPrabhu jawny: connecting your other web stuff and also connecting other people's sites through comments and replies and so on
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GWG jawny: If everything you create is on your site, it will be there even if the other sites you participate in goes away.
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tantek what is the indieweb?
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jawny GWG: I like that a lot more, do I need to buy my own domain?
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Loqi The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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GWG jawny: When you want your own home, you have to buy or rent it.
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GWG If you buy a domain, as long as you renew it, it is yours forever. You can move it anywhere.
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GWG You can get a domain for under $10 a year
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@yohnjang IndieWeb http://hn.premii.com/#/article/9511773 (twitter.com/_/status/596890561417641984)
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jawny Sweet, I was planning on starting my own blog/website anyway, so I might as well
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GWG jawny: So, the question is what do you want?
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jawny GWG: I'm not really sure, I know that for my own domain I was planning on showcasing my own projects as well as just must my own writing, which would be about tech, and maybe philosophy
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GWG jawny: My advice...create a site, create content on it.
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jawny GWG: I'll do just that, thanks!
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GWG Once you have a site, there are things you can do that we discuss a lot here. For example, how you syndicate that content to other sites, how you pull responses back to your own site.
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jawny Cool
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jawny Sounds good, unfortunately, I don't have the moeny for a site just yet
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jawny I just paid the guy I'm subletting from his rent, so I just need to wait for my next paycheck
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GWG There are a lot of options in that area. What sort of budget are you thinking you need?
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jawny Honestly, I can probably afford 10 a month, I just blew all my money recently
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jawny but really I'm just looking for something to post articles on, and that's it
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jawny for projects on the web I'd probably buy another domain just for the project, or something like that
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GWG If you want to run your own VPS, I know a company that will offer a small one for $12/year.
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jawny Im guessing vps stands for virtual private server?
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GWG Yes.
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jawny What would be some good reasons for getting a vps?
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GWG If you want to manage your own server. Sometimes that is a good learning experience, sometimes it distracts from other considerations
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Loqi slack/snarfed: what is web hosting?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: hrm, maybe slack doesn't trigger it
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Loqi slack/snarfed: <https://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting>
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GWG What is web hosting?
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Loqi Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) https://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting
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jawny So what's better, buying a domain, or web hosting?
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jawny Or would a vps, or having my own server give me the most freedom?
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GWG The domain is just the place you point your hosting at, be it shared or not.
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell tantek re:mention-of yes, i have an else clause, I know its a mention when i receive it, but in a stream of my activies it doesn't really make sense. (ben.thatmustbe.me/activity) Either its going to be just a random link which leaves it as some generic h-entry, and i assume those are mentions, or I just give it an explicit type
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tefka hello there ! =)
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GWG Hello, tefka
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tefka hello GWG ^^
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GWG What brings you here?
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tefka the indiewebcamp homepage ^^
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tefka I am reading up on the things on there
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jawny I like the indie web a lot
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GWG That's what brought me here. I like the principles.
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@btconf Good morning. It’s #IndieWebCamp day! @aaronpk, @adactio and me hope that not too many ppl will be affected by the train strike. (twitter.com/_/status/596907391662366720)
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jawny I love the principles
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@btconf Information about today’s @indiewebcamp at http://t.co/UV6NAnlD0J. Address: sipgate, Gladbacher Str. 74 (twitter.com/_/status/596908469141266432)
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@marcthiele RT @btconf: Good morning. It’s #IndieWebCamp day! @aaronpk, @adactio and me hope that not too many ppl will be affected by the train strike. (twitter.com/_/status/596911232575270912)
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@marcthiele RT @btconf: Information about today’s @indiewebcamp at http://t.co/UV6NAnlD0J. Address: sipgate, Gladbacher Str. 74 (twitter.com/_/status/596911248433934336)
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@ExplodingAds TylerJay comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.explodingads.com/?p=6986 - #startup #trending #socialmedia #news #business #marketing #entrepreneur (twitter.com/_/status/596912699998662656)
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@nathanieloffer Reading up on the #Indieweb & just created my own site on https://withknown.com #posse (twitter.com/_/status/596912887836184576)
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@offeryour TylerJay comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=183432 #sales #marketing (twitter.com/_/status/596913586057904129)
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@Renaade RT @btconf: Information about today’s @indiewebcamp at http://t.co/UV6NAnlD0J. Address: sipgate, Gladbacher Str. 74 (twitter.com/_/status/596921665851895809)
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@rstrangh @danielpietzsch shit, just got sick. No #IndieWebCamp for me this year. Sorry for letting you down man. (twitter.com/_/status/596927365952966657)
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@Renaade Wer hat an der Uhr gedreht? Jetzt aber schnell zu @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/596929964714364928)
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@jkphl Arrived at the @sipgateDE offices for @indiewebcamp -- really nice space! https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/596934753942675456/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596934753942675456)
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@jkphl The @indiewebcamp kick-off will take place in the restaurant -- nice! :) https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/596935960719396864/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596935960719396864)
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@rhiaro It's indiewebcamp o'clock! http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/05/indiewebcamp-oclock https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/596937187398148096/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596937187398148096)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp! Wie gehts Düsseldorf?
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: re:mention-of yes, i have an else clause, I know its a mention when i receive it, but in a stream of my activies it doesn't really make sense. (ben.thatmustbe.me/activity) Either its going to be just a random link which leaves it as some generic h-entry, and i assume those are mentions, or I just give it an explicit type http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-08/line/1431147971014
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tantek Loqi got truncated ^^^
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Loqi who, me?
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rhiaro tantek: there's coffee and whiteboards, off to a good start
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tantek and wifi apparently too :) yes that's a good start!
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tantek is there a schedule / empty session grid?
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rhiaro Aaron is making it
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rhiaro Right this minute
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rhiaro Half an hour til the actual start
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@danielpietzsch And off to #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf... (twitter.com/_/status/596938681564438528)
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tantek rhiaro: sounds "just in time" "Agile" :)
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tantek really hope to see more use-case / user-centric discussions happen than plumbing discussions
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rhiaro Yup
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tantek FWIW today (2015-05-08) social web wg IRC was nearly all plumbing-centric mishmashing :/
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rhiaro Which conversation?
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tantek all the stuff about refactoring API as data vs CRUD, or the whole acct:/Webfinger distraction etc.
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tantek nearly all the conversations :(
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tantek technology people easily get sucked into the trap of plumbing arguments
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tantek instead of knowing to say STOP, what's the use-case driving this discussion?
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rhiaro Oh I'm ignoring both of those
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rhiaro I'm sure they'll work themselves out/go away
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rhiaro Picking my battles carefully
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@btconf Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596939577866223616)
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tantek rhiaro: it just makes me sad to see the plumbing noise in the social web wg drown out (even discourage) the quieter user-centric discussions :(
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rhiaro tantek: the useful discussions are still happening IRL at the moment :)
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rhiaro We should really scribe ourselves into irc
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Loqi +1
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tantek rhiaro: the only way we stay user/use-case focused here in indiewebcamp is by actively minimizing/off the plumbing-centric debates and plumbing pitches that (some) people show up and do
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rhiaro yeah
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Germany/Schedule (+0) (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (-326) "/* Participants */ -1 Won't be able to join. Auli & elf, please excuse me." (view diff)
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@newsyc100 IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item) (twitter.com/_/status/596948225803886592)
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@jkphl .@aaronpk & @adactio kicking off the 1st @indiewebcamp day at the @sipgateDE restaurant #indieweb #btconf https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/596949206075645953/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596949206075645953)
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@Renaade Nice participants and very excited @indiewebcamp (@ sipgate GmbH - @sipgatede in Düsseldorf) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/0k6tTQiZFAl https://twitter.com/Renaade/status/596949529473220608/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596949529473220608)
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rhiaro commences scribing IWC demos
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rhiaro adactio: Jeremy, adactio.com, runs php and mysql for a long time. Added something at every IWC to make it more fun. Post notes (basically tweets) to own site and synidcate to twitter
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rhiaro adactio: also get responses from facebook, twitter, instagram, and publish, using webmention, setup 2 years ago
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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rhiaro adactio: signin using indieauth. Post from to site from someone else's client using micropub
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rhiaro adactio: demos posting with Quill
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slvrbckt \o/
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rhiaro adactio: with SMS authentication
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rhiaro adactio: with micropub you can turn anything into a client so you don't have to build your own pretty interfaces, piggyback on someone else's
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rhiaro adactio: demos posting to own site from instagram
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rhiaro aaronpk: aaronparecki.com, messy pile of php, which is fine..
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rhiaro aaronpk: also posts from quill, and pebble app for tracking food
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rhiaro aaronpk logs coffee
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rhiaro screenshot of pebble at teacup.p3k.io/pebble
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rhiaro aaronpk: watch is making micropub request
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rhiaro aaronpk: using micropub for more than just text notes
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rhiaro aaronpk: demos Monocle. To read people's posts without going to their sites. Old style RSS readers like inbox style, but now shift towards stream like interface
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rhiaro monocle.p3k.io
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rhiaro aaronpk signs into monocle with indieauth
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rhiaro aaronpk: reader just reading microformats on people's websites and reformatting
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rhiaro ... clicks a post from benwerd
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rhiaro ... star or repost directly from reader
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rhiaro ... posts to own site
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rhiaro ... also via micropub
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rhiaro ... so own site is the source of this data
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rhiaro Joschi: https://jkpht.is
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rhiaro ... implemented webmentions
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rhiaro ... publishes blog posts
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rhiaro ... shows people responding from their own sites via webmention
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rhiaro ... shows one of adactio's posts on his site that shows up as reply
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rhiaro ... last year implemented indieaction markup
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rhiaro ... want to switch to something file based
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rhiaro fkooman: demos indiecert
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rhiaro ... Francois, https://tuxed.net
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rhiaro ... micropub + indiecert
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rhiaro ... indiecert is different from webid
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rhiaro ... also uses Quill, using own implementation of indieauth not aaron's
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rhiaro ... signs into quill, browser pops up cert, approves request
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rhiaro ... another method of authentication compared to SMS or twitter. Don't rely on any third parties
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rhiaro ... Posts using Quill via micropub
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rhiaro ... indiecert.net
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rhiaro ... log in, displays access tokens granted
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rhiaro ... still work to do
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rhiaro ... questions?
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rhiaro michielbdejong: why better?
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rhiaro fkooman: does not depend on third parties
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rhiaro ??: how easy to install?
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rhiaro fkooman: quiet easy
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rhiaro ... indiecert takes care of generating, install cert in browser
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rhiaro ... demos installing in private browser
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rhiaro ... rel="me" with fingerprint in the same way as other indieauth
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rhiaro ... feel free to try it and ask if you run into problems!
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rhiaro ... all on github
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rhiaro github.com/fkooman/indiecert
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rhiaro ... also has dockerfiles
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rhiaro docker++
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Loqi docker has 7 karma
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rhiaro glennjones: glennjones.net
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rhiaro ... quite bare at the moment, latest tweet
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rhiaro ... likes and retweets
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rhiaro ... my own backend for adding stuff to twitter, transmat
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rhiaro ... (transomat?)
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rhiaro ... backend understands twitter @mentions and urls and autolinks
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rhiaro ... written a plugin, adds reply-to query string to url from twitter
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rhiaro ... my site takes that, goes to twitter, parses tweet to add reply context, also injects name
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rhiaro ... Also started collecting checkins, have own venues database
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rhiaro ... looked at using foursquare, didn't like t&c about mixing content
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rhiaro ... to checkin, click checkin button, does geo lookup, looks into database for 300m radius and adds venue - injects venu h-card
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rhiaro ... put no text, so adds to checkins database
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rhiaro ... keeps most of them private, collects information for self
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rhiaro ... don't use bridgy, have own method for getting replies/likes etc
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rhiaro ... main problem with checkins is do it out and about, wifi not good, spend too long being unsocialbe looking at phone
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rhiaro ... next interface will use serviceworkers to cache everything on phone
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rhiaro ... built javascript database
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rhiaro ... *demos*
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rhiaro ... gets all venue data from site and stores locally
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rhiaro ... sorted geographically
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rhiaro ... also searchable
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rhiaro ... *searches 'pub lond' and gets london pubs*
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rhiaro ... all clientside, works offline, really fast
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rhiaro ... next stage is to integrate with posting interface
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rhiaro ... cache checkins, poll internet until gets connection, then send
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rhiaro adactio: if I wanted to do this, I could use your list of places?
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rhiaro glennjones: or use your own list. Not live yet.
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rhiaro ... you can use other people's lists and publish straight to own site
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rhiaro ... maybe could aggregate people's places together if lots of people use it
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rhiaro ... would like to talk about how to build nicer interfaces
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rhiaro would like to use this ^
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rhiaro LukasRos: lukasrosenstock.net
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rhiaro ... likes app.net, different approach with payment instead of ads
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rhiaro ... interesting experiment to use app.net and let them have the data, but at the same time get everything onto own domain
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rhiaro ... PESOS approach
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rhiaro ... not doing exactly that, no database yet, pulling straight from API
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@jkphl Really love the interfaces @glennjones is building w/ e.g. https://t.co/CRgWmYzT7n, https://nearthing.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/596957707481051136/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596957707481051136)
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rhiaro ... every post on my site is on app.net
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rhiaro ... but each has own url on my domain, so even if app.net goes down still available
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rhiaro ... has microformats and RSS feeds, so people can consume with readers
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rhiaro ... also has micropub integration
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rhiaro ... *demos posting with Quill*
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rhiaro ... shows an error even though it has been posted..
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rhiaro ... also posted on app.net
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rhiaro ... micropub part is still under development, but getting posts from app.net on own site is open source
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rhiaro ... on github
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rhiaro Bastian: demo file-based CMS called Kirby (?)
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rhiaro can't see url, forgot glasses...
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rhiaro ... shows how files are created on system
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rhiaro ... spent time building public APIs to write and read files
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rhiaro ... so you can provide your own interface for it
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@ChrisAldrich Microformats 2 Version of Underscores Starter Theme with #Indieweb Support for #Wordpress via @dshanske https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_s (twitter.com/_/status/596958801938534400)
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rhiaro ... very simple
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rhiaro ^ this looks super pretty
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rhiaro ... creates markdown files
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rhiaro ... currently has custom authentication system, would like to combine with indieauth
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rhiaro ... and implement webmentions etc
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rhiaro ... not indieweb yet, but hope to make it so
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@btconf Yummy! Breakfast options at #IndieWebCamp and #st4i workshop. Welcome! #btconf https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596959179371347968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596959179371347968)
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rhiaro Daniel Pietzsch: shows blog
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rhiaro can someone who can read screen add url please?
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rhiaro ... signs in with indieauth
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rhiaro ... authenticates with last.fm
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rhiaro ... use tumblr to syndicate to twitter and flickr
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rhiaro ... this weekend I'd like to learn more about indieweb building blocks, probably implement webmentions
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@Renaade My next big thing: testing Kirby http://getkirby.com/ @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/596959604598243328)
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adactio Now rhiaro is demoing...
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aaronpk_ amy is up next: rhiaro.co.uk
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aaronpk_ amy: php site, stores everything in a triple store, rdf
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aaronpk_ ... publishes posts using quilll
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aaronpk_ ... also uses teacup for posting food, but doesn't have a pebble so uses the web interface
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aaronpk_ ... signing in to teacup.p3k.io
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aaronpk_ ... signed in using twitter, wants to add more ways of signing in not using twitter
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aaronpk_ ... posts checkins on her site as well
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aaronpk_ ... stores geo checkins with actual locations, but doesn't display them yet
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aaronpk_ ... one goal this weekend is to have a place for those
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aaronpk_ ... also events
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rhiaro sebastian Kippe: does indieauth
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rhiaro ... events from lanyards, but would like to replace that
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rhiaro ... dont' actually want everything public
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rhiaro ... files in remotestorage, 5apps
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rhiaro ... logs into sharesome to allow it to use 5apps storage
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rhiaro ... could be own website, not 5apps
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rhiaro ... *uploads file to sharesome*
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rhiaro sharesome.5apps.com
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raucao https://storage.5apps.com/basti/public/shares/150509-0857-agreed.gif
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rhiaro ... *results in url*
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rhiaro ^^^^^
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rhiaro ... any remotestorage server can do this
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rhiaro ... anyone can write their own apps, I can connect my storage to people's apps
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aaronpk Wait so remote storage is like a prettier version of WebDAV?
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rhiaro ... anyone interested in using remotestorage as a backend store for indieweb publishing, can talk about this
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rhiaro Rogier: killerog.com
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rhiaro adactio: come on, there are more websites to demo :)
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rhiaro aaronpk: we need even less shyness, we're going to start making sessions.
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rhiaro We're ahead of scheduel!
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rhiaro designsession++
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@betterhn100 IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/596963415987494912)
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fkooman https://www.indiehosters.net/
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@DigestWordpress RT @ChrisAldrich: Microformats 2 Version of Underscores Starter Theme with #Indieweb Support for #Wordpress via @dshanske https://t.co/Y32A… (twitter.com/_/status/596964183503085568)
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@kevinmarks RT @ChrisAldrich: Microformats 2 Version of Underscores Starter Theme with #Indieweb Support for #Wordpress via @dshanske https://t.co/Y32A… (twitter.com/_/status/596964864897077248)
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@pixelsultan RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596965744480509952)
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@pallas23 RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596969063538098176)
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@g16n “So we name the rooms: room 1 and room A.” —@adactio ;-) #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/596970416758992897)
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rhiaro Important note for everyone not at IWC Dusseldorf: the food is AMAZING
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@killerog Just to warn people, timeline might get busy with #IndieWebCamp tweets :-) (twitter.com/_/status/596971140058329088)
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@glennjones So the @indiewebcamp sessions start: markup, webmentions, offline, micropub, ui design (twitter.com/_/status/596972622967103488)
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@jkphl Starting the @indiewebcamp sessions w/ a @microformats basic class #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/596974567068934144/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596974567068934144)
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@jkphl @srbanister Klar, nicht zum ersten Mal. Du hättest mal bei der letzten @border_none dabei sein sollen — das war dicht dran. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/596976116184817664)
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raucao shared folders notes: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/XEnrYDE4bf
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@jkphl @srbanister Yep. Langfristiger Plan meinerseits, sobald unsere neuen Räume einsatzbereit sind. Ich sag nur http://indieweb.club ... (twitter.com/_/status/596977210495528960)
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the same time (twitter.com/_/status/596978079643361280)
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@saemple RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596981084262367232)
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@jkphl Keep an eye on http://t.co/OrSJ8e7F61. AFAIK it's going to support @microformats / h-event both reading and markup-wise #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/596984779997892610)
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@sipgateDE RT @btconf: Follow these flags into the yard to find #IndieWebCamp and #ST4I workshop today at #btconf. https://twitter.com/btconf/status/596939577866223616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/596988645883715585)
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@ThatEmil Trying to figure out how to go from a Webmention to a URL to knowing that the content available on that URL accepts webmentions (in Django). (twitter.com/_/status/596992082222436352)
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@ThatEmil Thinking so far: accept the webmention, send a signal passing along the URL somehow, model listens to signal, looks up instance and checks. (twitter.com/_/status/596994837687181312)
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@Raaphorst @MichaelMinneboo @wissewords @emijnsbergen @metkcom ben voorstander van indieweb, content op allerlei plaatsen aanbieden (twitter.com/_/status/596996462082396160)
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@testadopaynesz RT @SoloDMOfficiel: RT @SoloDMOfficiel: Interactive #javascript canvas to display Character Class info! #indieweb #webdev http://t.co/k0yU… (twitter.com/_/status/596996587651497984)
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@testadopaynesz RT @SoloDMOfficiel: Interactive #javascript canvas to display Character Class info! #indieweb #webdev http://www.osoftdev.com/osd_products/Saga/ http://t.co/S… (twitter.com/_/status/596996625601552384)
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aaronpk rhiaro: we have an etherpad too :) http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com
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@jkphl Next: Session about hosting — what might make publishing easier and more accessible to a broader audience? #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/597002516191150081/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/597002516191150081)
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@ThatEmil @BarnabyWalters I'm thinking a Webmention model storing all incoming mentions, and other models may or may not listen to post_save signal. (twitter.com/_/status/597010092295323649)
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@retweetnewsorg IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/597011859192045568)
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aaronpk http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/auth
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@rhiaro RT @jkphl: Next: Session about hosting — what might make publishing easier and more accessible to a broader audience? #indieweb http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/597013090698457088)
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp folks: Re rel=pgpkey, pls have a look at (and support) http:/// +@mxstbr (twitter.com/_/status/597015466318635008)
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ben_thatmustbeme is there a talky link for this?
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ben_thatmustbeme or anything of this
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: aaronpk: ^^^
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@mxstbr RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: Re rel=pgpkey, pls have a look at (and support) http:/// +@mxstbr (twitter.com/_/status/597017009893814273)
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: haven't seen any sign of livestreaming
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rhiaro could be wrong
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ben_thatmustbeme etherpad doesn't seem like its being used and no one is minuting :(
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rhiaro oh I guess aaron started minuting but he's talking
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rhiaro and my brain is asleep
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rhiaro he's talking through how indieauth works
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ben_thatmustbeme also can someone update https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany/Schedule
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ben_thatmustbeme grid is empty
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rhiaro good plan
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@ExplodingAds mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.explodingads.com/?p=7441 - #startup #trending #socialmedia #news #business #marketing #entrepreneur (twitter.com/_/status/597018446971416576)
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@ExplodingAds mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.explodingads.com/?p=7444 - #startup #trending #socialmedia #news #business #marketing #entrepreneur (twitter.com/_/status/597018508191518720)
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indie-visitor Hi chat room. Not made it over from Cologne today. Have a good day there.
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Loqi indie-visitor: tantek left you a message on 4/22 at 4:35pm: if you're zachdonovan, use: /nick zachdonovan to set your nickname! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-22/line/1429745740230
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@offeryour mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=183901 #sales #marketing (twitter.com/_/status/597019375636447233)
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@offeryour mikro2nd comments on "IndieWeb" - http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=183904 #sales #marketing (twitter.com/_/status/597019383169478656)
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GWG How are things in DUS?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG no clue
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GWG Someone tweeted my starter theme? Hmm...
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GWG Just catching up, ben_thatmustbeme.
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rhiaro https://github.com/rhiaro/mf2rdf
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rhiaro https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Microformats_Mapping
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rhiaro (controversial linked data session link dropping, don't mind me)
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GWG We were hoping for more than link dropping.
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rhiaro http://rhiaro.github.io/sws/
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raucao linked data pad: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/qHDy6IBRJF
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rhiaro http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/linkeddata
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rhiaro I want it on record that I did *not* propose this topic :)
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GWG elf-pavlik?
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rhiaro GWG: he's not here
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raucao :)
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rhiaro I'm not laying blame
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raucao if it helps we're discussing this not just for indieweb per se
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rhiaro raucao: I don't think that helps, we're at indiewebcamp....
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LukasRos For the record it was me who wanted to talk about linked data at IndieWebCamp.
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GWG rhiaro: I thought it might have been inspired by his recent discussion about it.
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@danielpietzsch 129/365: Learning more about Microformats with @adactio at #IndieWebCamp. http://blog.danielpietzsch.com/post/118524159623/129-365-learning-more-about-microformats-with#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/597043053174628352)
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LukasRos ”žPhone stuff“ session with two people only! :o
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GWG LukasRos: What is 'phone stuff'?
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aaronpk leaning about building offline apps with serviceworkers in the "Foo" room
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@jkphl .@glennjones on offline apps and service workers #IndieWebCamp https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/597045548227649536/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/597045548227649536)
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@davidmead This is why the #indieweb is so important now @danmerk. Own your data. http://blog.davidjohnmead.com/2015/this-is-why-the-indieweb-is-so-important-now-danmerk (twitter.com/_/status/597050625646432256)
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ben_thatmustbeme really wish other people could here these discussions ...
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kylewm huh, I'd assumed the sessions would be in German
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kylewm (guten morgen indiewebcamp)
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ben_thatmustbeme initial mock-up of something i'm working on
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/manage/contacts?url=http://tantek.com
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GWG kylewm: Isn't it afternoon there?
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GWG I think I found a way to make the WordPress people happy and get what I want at the same time.
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GWG Of course, I've been wrong before.
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@icymihn IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ comm: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9511773 (twitter.com/_/status/597058609462181888)
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kylewm GWG: how did the discussion with wordpress about adding mf2 to core go?
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GWG kylewm: No interest or comments. I'm trying a less direct way
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GWG I'm trying to wrap it in a broader focus and see if anyone bites.
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GWG There is only one real place in core that has classic microformats. A function called post_class, which adds hentry to everything.
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GWG I'm trying to get the function superseded.
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@bl1nk @bastianallgeier Ever thought about writing an article about making kirby ready for the indieweb? (webmentions, weblogin etc) (twitter.com/_/status/597062623780306944)
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GWG At the same time, I'm working on my ideas as a plugin, so I can show proof of concept.
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aaronpk some thoughts for tomorrow's sessions http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/day2
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tantek good evening IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf!
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tantek the morning demos sounded amazing
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@bastianallgeier @bl1nk there’s a good chance there will be a webmentions plugin after tomorrow. (twitter.com/_/status/597070315932508160)
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tantek reads logs and tweets
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kylewm tantek: would you please mark @ExplodingAds and @offeryour as spam?
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tantek !spam ExplodingAds
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tantek !spammer ExplodingAds
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Loqi Got it! There are now 21 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer offeryour
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Loqi Got it! There are now 22 spammers blacklisted
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tantek and all caught up on logs - seems like they were pretty quiet after demos
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tantek hopes rhiaro kept the LD session focused on solving user-centric problems rather than "what ifs" and other theory ;)
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tantek posted a bunch of likes of tweets - curious about how those show up in various readers - i.e. are readers intelligently collapsing them - or do they show up as individual line-items (thus flooding).
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tantek e.g. in Monocle (cc aaronpk) and kylewm's reader (Woodwind?)
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kylewm flooding, although I don't mind it, and would like to start pulling in a link-preview of like posts
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tantek kylewm: interesting, so you're thinking the opposite direction - rather than collapsing adjacent/similar like posts, you're thinking of expanding them all
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tantek which is actually what FB did in one their UI experiments, e.g. see screenshot here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Prefers_Pageviews_Over_Efficient_UX
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kylewm yes, something like, generate a preview from the original post if possible; failing that use the u-like-of h-cite or u-repost-of h-cite
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kylewm the latter to capture acegiak's tumblr reposts that i won't be able to generate from mf2
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tantek note the person "reading" (top left corner small icon) is *different* from the photo post, then the like post
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tantek re: tumblr posts - I wonder if it's possible to make a microformats2 shim for tumblr the way BarnabyWalters did for Twitter permalinks
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tantek anyway - enjoy the test case of lots of likes while it's at the top of my site - I'm going out for a quick run :)
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kylewm lol, tantek knows no jetlag
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kylewm enjoy!
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@seb_ly If anyone at @btconf at the NH hotel has a standard USB cable can you let me know? Thanks! #st4i #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/597081285694267394)
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tantek ok now, I'm going for a run (had to take care of a few things) - kylewm here's a better link for that integrated reading + expansion of like to link preview example: https://indiewebcamp.com/reader#Integrated_Activity_Reading
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ben_thatmustbeme hello all
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GWG Hello ben_thatmustbeme
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KevinMarks_ http://www.producthunt.com/posts/known-pro some interest here
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@LukasRosenstock Any #indiewebcamp folks in Düsseldorf with plans for the evening, e.g. dinner, who I could join? Tweet me! (twitter.com/_/status/597089382550601728)
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HugoDaniel hello
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GWG Hello HugoDaniel
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HugoDaniel hi GWG
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HugoDaniel im interested in the indie web :)
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HugoDaniel i have been doing a personal server with a very similar purpose to the one described on your site
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GWG HugoDaniel: You've come to the right place
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GWG HugoDaniel: What is the URL?
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HugoDaniel keep your own data, work offline sync online, run multiple services in a single click and a friendly dashboard ui
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HugoDaniel not yet released, but hope to do it very soon
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GWG HugoDaniel: What is your biggest desire to achieve for yourself?
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GWG What do you want to be able to do?
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HugoDaniel in life ?
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HugoDaniel or with this ?
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HugoDaniel :D
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GWG HugoDaniel: In this. For example, I have been moving toward owning my bookmarks. Keeping them on my site instead of in a Read It Later service.
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HugoDaniel with this i hope to allow developers to easily code their tools for the web in a free distributed way, or to allow people to achieve things that are not easily possible with today browser technology
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HugoDaniel i have a personal project that was the main motivator, a online remixer for the modern web, hope to start a kickstarter for it soon
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GWG HugoDaniel: Community wise, we tend to focus on personal goals, but we have a few people who are building bigger solutions.
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HugoDaniel imagina plug in your mpc drum machine via usb and play together with other people on the web
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HugoDaniel stream your sessions or record them for future ref.
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GWG HugoDaniel: It sounds interesting. I wish you luck with that.
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HugoDaniel thanks
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HugoDaniel what kind of personal goals ?
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HugoDaniel simple things ?
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HugoDaniel like owning your feed ?
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HugoDaniel given the current state i guess that would actually not be a simple thing :/
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GWG HugoDaniel: Taking control of what you do online.
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GWG For example, post to your own website and syndicate that to other sites. Pull back responses.
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HugoDaniel nice
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HugoDaniel like salmon protocol
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GWG For example, I can post something on my site, you can reply to it on yours. My site will display your reply. So, each side has a copy of the interaction.
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GWG HugoDaniel: We are trying for simpler, but yes.
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GWG Salmon is a bit complicated.
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HugoDaniel yes
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GWG What we do is html based for the most part
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HugoDaniel oh cool
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HugoDaniel microdata
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KevinMarks_ microformats, rather
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HugoDaniel i have to read up on that
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GWG HugoDaniel: Our wiki is full of interesting information.
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GWG KevinMarks_: Did you catch the conversation on TWIG this week? It was one I wished you had been around to advocate during.
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HugoDaniel im looking at it
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GWG HugoDaniel: You can also just ask.
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GWG What is the Indieweb?
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Loqi The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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GWG We have the wiki linked to the room
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KevinMarks_ not heard this week's TWiG yet - what part?
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GWG KevinMarks_: The gang was discussing posting on their own sites vs places like Medium.
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KevinMarks_ oh boy
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GWG KevinMarks_: Exactly.
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GWG KevinMarks_: I'd better get a better venue for our next HWC in NYC
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GWG I think I proposed a deli to zachdonovan
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tantek___ GWG I will be in NYC 2015-05-20 - hope I can make it to your HWC meetup!
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tantek___ HugoDaniel, welcome! And what's your personal site?
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GWG tantek___: I'd better borrow a venue quick.
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GWG I think switching to a food venue until more interest grows is a safe bet.
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GWG tantek___: Either way, I think you are a big attraction.
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GWG You know people.
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@johannesdachsel Had a great first day at #IndieWebCamp #btconf (twitter.com/_/status/597106123976630272)
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GWG Apparently, I'm still tab challenged in my programming.
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@Bill_Riley RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the s… (twitter.com/_/status/597127610825449473)
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aaronpk omg i think i just figured out why the wiki was logging some people out randomly
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: why?
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aaronpk http://aaron.pk/b4b41
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KartikPrabhu so why some people? should that not have happened for everyone?
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aaronpk i think it depended on how long it had been since you were last there, and the random number generator on the server
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KartikPrabhu weird
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aaronpk the cron job goes and cleans up "old" sessions randomly
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ben_thatmustbeme Not exactly randomly. Every 30 minutes
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aaronpk every 30 minutes with a random probabiliy
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ben_thatmustbeme In other words it just deletes expired sessions. .. did people bout expect their sessions to expire?
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aaronpk http://php.net/manual/en/sessionhandler.gc.php "The frequency this is called is based on the session.gc_divisor and session.gc_probability configuration directives."
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aaronpk and "Sessions that have not updated for the last maxlifetime seconds will be removed."
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aaronpk so it's *possible* that your session would be removed after maxlifetime, nbut not guaranteed
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ben_thatmustbeme So every 30 minutes cron cleans up what php hasn't randomly done itself
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aaronpk and definiely coming to the wiki often would extend your session
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aaronpk anyway i made maxlifetime like 3 months so you should stay logged in way longer now
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@aaronpk Note to self: Don't add the appcache header to your site template so that it renders on every page... #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/597139033161007104)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, its possible, but the max would be only 30 minutes after your session expired
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ben_thatmustbeme and even with that, the server should not be using a session that is past max lifetime whether or not it was deleted yet
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aaronpk the problem is when the php runtime sets a different value than is in the ini file
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aaronpk because the cron job uses the ini setting
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aaronpk but you may have overridden the lifetime in code
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ben_thatmustbeme 0_o
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ben_thatmustbeme so 3 month sessions
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ben_thatmustbeme yay
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk crossing my fingers
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ben_thatmustbeme hope that doesn't get too crowded
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aaronpk we'll see what other obscure thing i run into next
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ben_thatmustbeme still need to roll in that heartbeat for the logs beta chat
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aaronpk what's that?
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ben_thatmustbeme so you don't get that issue of people's nicks stuck logged in
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ben_thatmustbeme i had found some code to fix it
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aaronpk ah right
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ben_thatmustbeme also, working on this right now https://ben.thatmustbe.me/manage/contacts?url=http://tantek.com
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@fdevillamil 💫@joelgascoigne publish on your own blog, then duplicate on Medium. Your blog might survive Medium after all. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/597142812912652288)
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@hereinthehive @seb_ly Ahh the modern world. Suck doesn't it! How did #IndieWebCamp go? (twitter.com/_/status/597143676020752386)
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@Rrfly RT @fdevillamil: 💫@joelgascoigne publish on your own blog, then duplicate on Medium. Your blog might survive Medium after all. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/597147661855252480)
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Jeena the worst thing with POSSE is that freaking Facebook keeps changing their API which breaks my website at least once a year
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG I just got the WordPress release lead for 4.3 commenting on my hfeed issue. That is promising.
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Loqi slack/snarfed: Jeena: we definitely commiserate, we've had to do lots for bridgy too :/
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@berrydm IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/597181781725585408)
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GWG snarfed: I have a bit of a dilemma that includes you again.
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, not sure brid.gy liked the non english slug
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ben_thatmustbeme https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1431213566&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyGAsSB1R3aXR0ZXIiC2Rpc3NvbHZlMzMzDA
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: What are you up to?
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Loqi Welcome to news about the IndieWeb where recent notable articles about the IndieWeb are cited and linked to keep you up to date https://indiewebcamp.com/you_up_to
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KevinMarks_ python 2.7 is a bugger like that
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tefka I have a question ... why does the "indieweb software" collection mostly consist of blogging software ? why is there no software for other activities related to the web ?
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KevinMarks_ becasue that's what we've mostly been building for our own sites
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KevinMarks_ what kind of thing do you want?
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frzn tefka: gnu does other kind of softwares
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@zdrojak RT @jkphl: #IndieWebCamp folks: You may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is to visualize both @microformats and http://schema.org data at the s… (twitter.com/_/status/597189198442057728)