#indiewebcamp 2015-06-06

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@t @deewu thanks for pointing out. Noted .so ccTLD issues: https://indiewebcamp.com/short-domains#so and cited your tweets. Hope that’s ok! (ttk.me t4bX1) (twitter.com/_/status/606981065593397248)
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tantek I want offline "Preview" functionality in MediaWiki purely via clientside JS, and auto-save edits-in-progress to local-storage
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tantek Loqi, can haz?
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk mebbe if we move off mediawiki
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tantek references his thoughts on the matter http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki-projects#Brainstorming
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aaronpk actually i could probably put autosave in-progress edits to localstorage in the current theme pretty easily
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aaronpk it was pretty easy to add to quill
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tantek interesting
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tantek it's the offline "Preview" which would be very useful
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aaronpk much harder
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tantek exactly
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aaronpk esp when pages use templates
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tantek yeah - could cache existing in use templates, and just not render any new templates added while editing
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aaronpk the templates arent that much data ultimately, could actually download them all
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aaronpk but writing an equivalent mediawiki parser+renderer in JS sounds not fun
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tantek yeah
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tantek I suppose it would be better to do it in #cassis.js
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tantek that way you could run it on the mediawiki server and the browser ;)
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aaronpk which is why i mentioned doing it after replacing mediawiki, cause then we could actually use cassis to do the real parsing too
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tantek and keep mediawiki markup format?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk or some set/intersection of mediawiki and markdown
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tantek true - by doing that it would be less work on our content, and potentially useful to others
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aaronpk it's not hard to support both actually, I support a lot of both syntax in my own markdown parser
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tantek you know my opinions on markdown ;) tantek.com/w/Markdown
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aaronpk yeah... there are some good parts tho
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aaronpk i prefer MW link syntax, so thats what i use on my site.
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aaronpk my site has a "pre-process" step that turns my own syntaxes into something that the markdown parser can handle and then it hands it off to a markdown library
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aaronpk best of both worlds
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aaronpk we could do something similar, a small pre-processing step that then passes it off to a markdown parser that runs in the browser https://github.com/evilstreak/markdown-js
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@joeld #IndieWeb is the new ham radio. I sure wish it wasn’t, but it is. (twitter.com/_/status/607006507369177089)
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tantek Comix Dym are you here in IRC?
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tantek note that "ind(.)ie" has nothing to do with indieweb and the unsiloization you speak of on http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dym.cx
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tantek I think you mean IndieWeb on that page where you say ind(.)ie
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tantek in particular: http://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#ind.ie_is_not_IndieWeb_nor_IndieWebCamp
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Zegnat Good morning all.
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KevinMarks morning Zegnat
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acegiak tantek: don't know if you're listening for webmentions on your wiki: https://acegiak.net/2015/06/06/tantek-markdown/
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tantek acegiak: unfortunately not, my wiki is hosted on a silo :/
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tantek acegiak: whoa neat!
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KevinMarks acegiak did you see auto_link? that's what tantek runs in cassi, and kylewm and I ported it to python
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KevinMarks I also added some somewhat bonkers fragmention support
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tantek acegiak: thanks! linked from the wiki page: http://tantek.com/w/Markdown#PartialImplementation
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acegiak KevinMarks: I saw, pretty neat
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acegiak tantek: I just really liked the simplified syntax
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/?rawtext=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.pbworks.com%2Fw%2Fpage%2F59905776%2FMarkdown%23Hyperlinking%2520can%2Fshould%2520be%2520done%2520automatically%2520by%2520just%2520having%2520links%2520that%2520use%2520URLs%2520in%2520general%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F06%2F06%2Ftantek-markdown%2F%23got%2520curious%2520and%2520implemented%2520the%2520main%2520bits&maxurllength=0&embed=on
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KevinMarks why yes, my urls are evil and recursive
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/?rawtext=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.pbworks.com%2Fw%2Fpage%2F59905776%2FMarkdown%23Hyperlinking%2520can%2Fshould%2520be%2520done%2520automatically%2520by%2520just%2520having%2520links%2520that%2520use%2520URLs%2520in%2520general%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F06%2F06%2Ftantek-markdown%2F%23got%2520curious%2520and%2520implemented%2520the%2520main%2520bits%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2F%3Frawtext%3
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acegiak KevinMarks: amazing :D
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@andigalpern If you're producing content, you should own the insights to grow your readership and make it better. Publish on your own domain. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/607100891078926336)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/607100845688111106
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] people underestimate what you can do with URLs http://www.unmung.com/?rawtext=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.pbworks.com%2Fw%2Fpage%2F59905776%2FMarkdown%23Hyperlinking%2520can%2Fshould%2520be%2520done%2520automatically%2520by%2520just%2520having%2520links%2520that%2520use%2520URLs%2520in%2520general%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F06%2F06%2Ftantek-markdown%2F%23got%2520curious%2520and%2520implemented%2520the%2520main%2520bits%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2F%3Frawtext%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ftantek.pbworks.com%252Fw%252Fpage%252F59905776%252FMarkdown%2523Hyperlinking%252520can%252Fshould%252520be%252520done%252520automatically%252520by%252520just%252520having%252520links%252520that%252520use%252520URLs%252520in%252520general%250D%250Ahttps%253A%252F%252Facegiak.net%252F2015%252F06%252F06%252Ftantek-markdown%252F%2523got%252520curious%252520and%252520implemented%252520the%252520main%252520bits%26maxurllength%3D0%26embed%3Don%23autolink%2520and%2520embed&maxurllength=0&embed=on#autolink%20and%20embe
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KevinMarks hm, looks like I'm not getting the fragmention right
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KevinMarks ah, homepage wasn't including it
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KevinMarks fixed
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Zegnat KevinMarks: any particular reason for putting the a-elements within the blockquote rather than outside of it to make the whole block clickable?
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KevinMarks yes, painful HTML containment rules
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Zegnat Huh? I thought HTML5 made no issue of blockquote-within-a
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KevinMarks so did I. sadly i was wrong
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Zegnat validator.w3.org says its fine
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KevinMarks http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-22/line/1432339194279
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@koenigand Es kann losgehen. Themen drehen sich um Webkultur, Storytelling und Indieweb. #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607105683369132033)
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Zegnat What parsers present problems with it? I seem to recall that when HTML5 Doctor wrote about block wrapping links they said all browsers supported it
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KevinMarks read that whole thread
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KevinMarks basically, no
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Zegnat Yeah, just clicked back to the full chatlog of that day. Can’t say I understand the ‘why’ yet though. I thought the spec allowed this.
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KevinMarks me too. Tantek can explain. There are rules about what can go inside what in html, and if you violate them it makes a different containment hierarchy in the DOM and your CSS fails
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Zegnat I get that, but a-elements should allow everything their parent element allows (content model transparent). So if you are allowed to put a blockquote somewhere, you are also allowed to put an a element around it.
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Zegnat At least, that’s what I am reading in the spec...
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@screengui_de Wir sind Medienpartner der #nebenan heute. Teilnehmer der Konferenz können sich die aktuelle Ausgabe passend zum Thema #indieweb mitnehmen. (twitter.com/_/status/607145457689591809)
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Loqi [mention] https://www.bakera.de/wp/2015/06/sammelsurium-13/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@acegiak @DarkestKale #indieweb - http://acegiak.net/2015/06/06/hug-medic-kale-darkestkale-20/ (twitter.com/_/status/607161128725020672)
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dym_cx a link to https://bigboringsystem.com/post/post!1421164266-5a is 404 (from http://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#Examples_of_confusion_and_conflation )
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dym_cx generally anything from ednapiranha is 404
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dym_cx is she playing _why the lucky stiff or just on vacation?
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@nebenan_hamburg Jetzt: @diplix über das #Indieweb, Facebook und Blog-Boom https://www.periscope.tv/w/aELeYzQyNjg3MzZ8MTkwNjQ4MTGu-zHUBopwfKI8o1YzlBEWImA4oQN1YFkIj4QfuJtHJA== #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607190468317859840)
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@nebenan_hamburg "Indie ist die Zukunft und das Bloggen boomt", sagt @diplix #indieweb #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607190529911193601)
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@oler RT @nebenan_hamburg: Jetzt: @diplix über das #Indieweb, Facebook und Blog-Boom https://www.periscope.tv/w/aELeYzQyNjg3MzZ8MTkwNjQ4MTGu-zHUBopwfKI8o1YzlBEWImA4oQN1YFkIj4QfuJtHJA== #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607190542422810625)
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@TZPazifist Now @diplix übers Indieweb #nebenan https://twitter.com/TZPazifist/status/607190556058484736/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/607190556058484736)
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@fichtalina RT @nebenan_hamburg: Jetzt: @diplix über das #Indieweb, Facebook und Blog-Boom https://www.periscope.tv/w/aELeYzQyNjg3MzZ8MTkwNjQ4MTGu-zHUBopwfKI8o1YzlBEWImA4oQN1YFkIj4QfuJtHJA== #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607190655333486592)
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@TZPazifist Der @diplix is Schuld, dass ich meinen Blog jetzt selber verwalte. Und alles "Blog first" publizieren will. #nebenan #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/607193164634537984)
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@nebenan_hamburg Hier sollte der Stream wieder gehen: @diplix gerade über das #Indieweb ✨ https://www.periscope.tv/w/aEL7xzQyNjg3MzZ8MTkxMTE3NTbVfq0-rs96lwAVhlvu270m3pHnW_yLJEjvcrFSdBzZag== #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607193381610115072)
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@oler RT @nebenan_hamburg: Hier sollte der Stream wieder gehen: @diplix gerade über das #Indieweb ✨ https://www.periscope.tv/w/aEL7xzQyNjg3MzZ8MTkxMTE3NTbVfq0-rs96lwAVhlvu270m3pHnW_yLJEjvcrFSdBzZag== #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607193474312630272)
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@FrauClodette RT @nebenan_hamburg: Hier sollte der Stream wieder gehen: @diplix gerade über das #Indieweb ✨ https://www.periscope.tv/w/aEL7xzQyNjg3MzZ8MTkxMTE3NTbVfq0-rs96lwAVhlvu270m3pHnW_yLJEjvcrFSdBzZag== #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607193875074183168)
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@capwnd Das ist schon ziemlich chic. #indieweb @diplix #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607195127312990208)
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@buddepiept RT @TZPazifist: Now @diplix übers Indieweb #nebenan https://twitter.com/TZPazifist/status/607190556058484736/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/607195351091691520)
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@N_Wessinghage Nutzungsbedingungen vs Zivilgesellschaft - das spricht für #indieweb @diplix bei #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607195831524052993)
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@tschoof RT @N_Wessinghage: Nutzungsbedingungen vs Zivilgesellschaft - das spricht für #indieweb @diplix bei #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607195998163763200)
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@TZPazifist Es gibt so ein, zwei Gründe, selbst die Daten zu halten. #nebenan #indieweb @diplix https://twitter.com/TZPazifist/status/607196167844339712/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/607196167844339712)
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@jensbest Was vor Jahren normale Internetnutzung war, heisst jetzt also #indieweb - Hmm, muss ich wohl als Phänomen jetzt mal so hinnehmen. #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607197093908901888)
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@NerdcoreBlog RT @jensbest: Was vor Jahren normale Internetnutzung war, heisst jetzt also #indieweb - Hmm, muss ich wohl als Phänomen jetzt mal so hinneh… (twitter.com/_/status/607197171914391553)
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@zimtsternin Schön von @diplix fotografiert worden https://instagram.com/p/3l2scEpCqG/ #nebenan #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/607197524957523968)
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@mspro hatte von den neusten entwicklungen des indieweb nix mitbekommen … danke @dipix, werd da mal mit rumspielen. #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607198061681627137)
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@kommanderkat https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607198479983738880)
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@SunnyZitrone Klarheit matters. Auch um marginalisierte menschis im web development zu ermutigen. Meine Meinung zum indieweb Vortrag #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607198637119152128)
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@tschoof RT @mspro: hatte von den neusten entwicklungen des indieweb nix mitbekommen … danke @dipix, werd da mal mit rumspielen. #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607198689946398720)
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@oler RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607199171519651840)
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@TZPazifist DAS will ich auch. #autofeedback #nebenan #indieweb @diplix https://twitter.com/TZPazifist/status/607199651629002752/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/607199651629002752)
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@crahtgens RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607201715935412224)
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@zimtsternin RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607203005138669568)
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@diplix RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607203633160196097)
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@hlinke RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607204388332040192)
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@buddepiept RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607208310195023872)
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@diplix RT @mspro: hatte von den neusten entwicklungen des indieweb nix mitbekommen … danke @dipix, werd da mal mit rumspielen. #nebenan (twitter.com/_/status/607208413542666241)
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@TZPazifist RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607209108941467648)
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ben_thatmustbeme well i now fully understand why facebook auth does not work
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ben_thatmustbeme silly facebook
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aaronpk why?
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ben_thatmustbeme well, i got the login working, with hackery of rel-me links and knowing how they write their links. but then once a person logs in, there is no way to verify that the person who logged in is the user that you are looking for
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aaronpk no way...
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ben_thatmustbeme s/looking for/looking to verify/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: well, i got the login working, with hackery of rel-me links and knowing how they write their links. but then once a person logs in, there is no way to verify that the person who logged in is the user that you are looking to verify
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ben_thatmustbeme not that i found. you get a app specific user id, that you cannot get the real user id from
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ben_thatmustbeme i have tried a whole bunch of ways, cannot find a way to reliably verify that the person who logged in is the owner of the account "dissolve333" for example
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KevinMarks__ That's by design. Their response to users being scared of Facebook knowing so much is to hide it from devs
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, it makes sense, it prevents app developers from being able to specify the actual user
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ben_thatmustbeme but it used to be that if you had a user, you could always do the reverse and ge tthe app secific ID from their global ID, but they fixed that bit
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aaronpk but bridgy knows the user, right? i mean it's showing profile photos of people
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ben_thatmustbeme i'd need to check in to bridgy's code, but i suspect it assumes the correct association and stores that
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ben_thatmustbeme so in theory, i could change the login url when i first set up bridgy and associate it with the wrong account
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aaronpk twitter provides a way to begin auth requesting a specific user, maybe facebook has something like that?
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, it looks like bridgy is able to pull the indieweb url from their profile after login
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ben_thatmustbeme almost like it does rel-me-auth after you log in
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ben_thatmustbeme i wasn't able to get that info... wonder if it needs some extra scope
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, it is
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Loqi rofl
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@VeroHamburg RT @kommanderkat: https://withknown.com/ ist eine Blog-Plattform die Indieweb-Technologie einsetzt, @diplix sagt einfach mal probieren #neb… (twitter.com/_/status/607228812808593408)
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Kongaloosh but... that's just another silo :C
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snarfed1 ben_thatmustbeme: yup this part of the fb 2.x api is no fun. background in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/350 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/375 , etc
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ben_thatmustbeme ugh, you can get access to user website but you have to submit a request to Facebook to get your app permissions for it
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: eh that perm is easy. others are harder
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ben_thatmustbeme thats really all i would need
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snarfed background: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/393#issuecomment-98381534
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snarfed but yeah, in short, like KevinMarks said, the fb 2.x api intentionally switched to app-specific user ids to prevent mapping your app's users to global user ids or nicknames
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i figured it was that way
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ben_thatmustbeme security
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snarfed but for indieweb purposes, if you pull the website in their profile, that's good enough
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snarfed well, privacy
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snarfed but yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, need to go mow the lawn
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ben_thatmustbeme *not a euphamism for anything*
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snarfed lol
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: but then I could set my facebook website URL to yours and sign in as you
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kylewm Kongaloosh: what's another silo? withknown?
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Kongaloosh kylewm: is it just hosed by them?
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kylewm Kongaloosh: you can run Known self-hosted too, it's all open source
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kylewm and you can also have them host it for you with a custom domain name
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Kongaloosh ooh, that's really nice.
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KevinMarks_ Hmm, so by not verifying that you signed in with the fb profile you linked to with rel="me" Facebook just made things less secure
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kylewm if I have two sites on the same IP address under different domain names, and one is HSTS, does that force the other domain name to be HTTPS?
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bengo Your web server logic could vary based on Host header?
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bengo even if on same ip
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kylewm i don't understand why kristenandkyle2015.com is finding the ssl certificate for silo.pub :P
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bengo 'is finding'?
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bengo I see no evidence of silo.pub when I visit that
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kylewm ok, that's good
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kylewm when I go there in Firefox, it redirects me to https
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kylewm but not in private browsing, nor in chrome
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KartikPrabhu tested on Firefox all ok
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bengo just tried firefox
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bengo no redirect/https
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kylewm thanks guys :)
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bengo Congrats on the wedding!
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kylewm haha thanks bengo
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kylewm went to History, Right-click "Forget About This Site", and now it's working OK
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KartikPrabhu interesting some cache issue?
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kylewm yeah, firefox tends to do that... if you have ever visited a site with https://, even if it was an error, it always forces it to be https://
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KartikPrabhu intersting. new secure connection policy maybe
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Loqi slack/snarfed: the long ongoing transition to <https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/04/30/deprecating-non-secure-http/>
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kylewm kinda wish nginx would give an error instead of being like "I don't have a :443 configuration for that site, but how about this other one??"
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: ugh yeah. WordPress has similar infuriating default 404 logic
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Dym_ so, anyone from mozilla can elaborate on what happened with ednapiranha and all her internet properties?
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Loqi Dym_: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 5/26 at 3:37pm: good question about dt-* on h-feed pages http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-26#t1432639369998 I don't think there is a standard way to do it yet and the only use-case I can think of is for readers to know the date pages, but no reader supports that yet http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-26/line/1432679852517
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KartikPrabhu dym_cx: tantek raised some issues with your userpage see http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-05#t1433561687528
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dym_cx KartikPrabhu: yes, i explained the supposed confusion with ind.ie/indieweb right on my page
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dym_cx http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dym.cx last paragrath
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KartikPrabhu saw right now
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KartikPrabhu you might want to !tell tantek with link http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dym.cx#to%20clarify
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dym_cx !tell tantek ind.ie/indieWeb -- no confusion on my part. inspiration !== implementation http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dym.cx#to%20clarify
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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dym_cx how do i make irc-log to use {{dym_cx}} template for my messages?
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kartikprabhu.com edited /IRC_People (+1) "/* Nicknames */ update my timezone" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu dym_cx: add yourself and your nick to https://indiewebcamp.com/IRC_People#Nicknames I think that is where the logs get photos etc...
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dym.cx edited /IRC_People (+84) "/* Nicknames */ added dym_cx" (view diff)
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dym_cx KartikPrabhu: kewwwl
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KartikPrabhu :)
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kylewm dym_cx: sorry for the overzealous clarification! there has been some confusion in the past, so folks here may be a little defensive :)
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dym_cx also, to be clear, my domain has nothing to do with goatse .cx (which is "subdomain hosting" atm), it's just .cx is short for Comix
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kylewm hahaha, that would not have occurred to me
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cweiske.de edited /caldav (+7) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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dym.cx edited /User:Dym.cx (+459) "explained myself a bit" (view diff)
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@neleheise Hab mir heute von @hmans was über #pants & dieses "Indieweb"-Dingsie erzählen lassen - das (plus Vortrag von @diplix) klang schon spannend. (twitter.com/_/status/607274154518265856)
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dym_cx waht happened to APML ( http://microformats.org/wiki/APML )?
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KartikPrabhu my guess is no much usage
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KartikPrabhu s/no/not
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: my guess is not much usage
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dym_cx seems like a reasonable thing to have with foaf (is this still exist?)
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KartikPrabhu not many use foaf here i know tommorris does
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KevinMarks APML was always a bit nebulous
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KevinMarks there was a lot of noise about Attention brokerages and things
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KevinMarks but so much easier to do as a silo
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KevinMarks https://www.flickr.com/photos/privateye/114333005
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KartikPrabhu lol
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dym_cx another ways to show things you interested in (aside from tag-cloud)?
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KevinMarks what is like?
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Loqi like is a popular webaction button and in some cases post type on various silos such as Facebook and Instagram (uses a heart ♥) https://indiewebcamp.com/like
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KevinMarks posting your likes is a way
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KevinMarks the attention stuff led into activity streams
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dym_cx likes are for single posts, i'm talking about general information like "cats, internet, water"
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aaronpk attention profile? what?
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dym_cx found it via http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/icons/
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KevinMarks you derive those by having a lot of likes to look at
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KevinMarks by uploading my photos, Google knows I like Canoes and Birds http://known.kevinmarks.com/#automatic%20image%20tagging
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dym_cx i can like "being alone", but there are no posts of such content
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KartikPrabhu but then what would "being alone" as an attention thing get you?
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KartikPrabhu as in what's the use of publishing it?
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dym_cx same with general profile info
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KartikPrabhu which is?
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dym_cx some [important] information to share
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KartikPrabhu I have general profile info so people can use it in comment display/contact info
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KartikPrabhu "important" how? what is the use-case?
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dym_cx i gues searching for people with simmilar interests
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dym_cx s/wrond words/words
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dym_cx no autocorrect? :D
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aaronpk only works on the last lien
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aaronpk s/lien/line
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: only works on the last line
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KevinMarks right, that's the dating site profile case
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dym_cx "same interests" can lead to collaborations, yes
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KevinMarks I think what happened is that people were not interested enough in sharing their interest streams per se
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KevinMarks and the people who were excited about the business implications were offputting
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KevinMarks interesting nascar bar on youtube
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dym_cx currently the way i find new indie[web] people and resources is by clicking on every available link on the wiki and looking through all of them
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kylewm KevinMarks: were you doing some research recently for tiling images of different sizes together (a la pinterest)?
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KevinMarks there's a thing called masonry that does it with JS
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kylewm brilliant, thanks!!
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KevinMarks that what I used for pestagram
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/interesting-sharing-bar-onyoutube
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kylewm KevinMarks++ that worked a treat, thank you
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Loqi KevinMarks has 116 karma
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dym_cx those icons sorted simply by popularity, is my guess. no one uses digg anymore :sad:
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KartikPrabhu dym_cx: people get tired of silos when a newer shinier ting comes along so <shrug>
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dym_cx rip myspace
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KartikPrabhu what is site-deaths?
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Loqi google_announcement.png Site deaths are when sites go offline, taking their content and permalinks with them, and breaking the web accordingly https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths
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KartikPrabhu lol what's that png thingie there?
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dym_cx http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/google_announcement.png
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KartikPrabhu yeah I know it shouldn't be in the definition
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KartikPrabhu what is summary?
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aaronparecki.com edited /site-deaths (+2) "separate the image" (view diff)
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Loqi A summary is short text that conveys a post's main point(s), or a plain text equivalent for kinds of posts like likes and RSVPs that use other properties to convey their meaning https://indiewebcamp.com/summary
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: thanks! i was going to copy-pasta from /summary :)
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dym_cx i like the smell of haystack of html, wiki, markdown and php in the morning :)
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dym_cx but the fact the CASSIS is technically possible does not mean it should be a thing, imo.
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dym_cx > if ("00"==false) {/*javascript*/} ( from http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402872/CassisProject )
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dym_cx i dont even.
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KevinMarks you missed the orignal
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KevinMarks http://tantek.com/2012/090/t1/javascript-php-c-ruby-cassisproject-cassisjs
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KevinMarks his tweet about it predates node.js https://twitter.com/t/status/2215180366
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@t if ("00"==false) {/*javascript*/} else if ("0"==false) {/*php*/} else if (0==false) {/*c*/} else {/*ruby*/} //#cassisproject (twitter.com/_/status/2215180366)
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KartikPrabhu isomorphic JS anyone ;)
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KevinMarks the comment block voodoo is also very amusing
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dym_cx according to wiki, this tweet was 3 week after 0.1 on node
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dym_cx https://github.com/joyent/node/tags?after=v0.0.4
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dym_cx *0.0.1
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Loqi !calc *0.0.1
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aaronpk wait when did facebook start doing threaded/nested comments?!
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KevinMarks right but node was obscure then - tantek just took a different approach
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KevinMarks a couple of months ago I think?
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KevinMarks oh, 2 years: https://www.facebook.com/notes/journalists-on-facebook/improving-conversations-on-facebook-with-replies/578890718789613
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aaronpk i apparently don't use facebook much
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KevinMarks it was opt-in for pages first
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KevinMarks I think it went global more recently
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dym_cx > https://twitter.com/StartupLJackson/status/607040867103219712
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@StartupLJackson "To activate your decentralized digital blockchain identity just enter your gmail address and connect your Twitter account." 😐 (twitter.com/_/status/607040867103219712)
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dym_cx this is how i felt first time i learned what indieAuth was
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KartikPrabhu in a good way or bad way ?
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dym_cx bad.
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KartikPrabhu what was bad about IndieAuth?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bad about IndieAuth" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=bad+about+IndieAuth&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-06%2Fline%2F1433634731389
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KartikPrabhu come on Loqi!
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dym_cx we want to be independent of silos. lets bind our idetities to them.
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Loqi woot!
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KartikPrabhu dym_cx: not really. IndieAuth can work with your own site acting as identity. there is a long standing bug which aaronpk should resolve for this
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KartikPrabhu right now IndieAuth is piggy backing on silos to be easy. Setting up login/authentication on your own site is far from easy
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KartikPrabhu dym_cx: though that is a fair criticism of IndieAuth as it stands now
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dym_cx any thoughts on using PGP to provide identification (like keybase.io doeas)?