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## #indiewebcamp 2015-06-30

2015-06-30 UTC
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# bret - it is? I don't see a Portland venue here: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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# does anyone here have per-post custom styling? if so, how are you storing / publishing it?
# use-case: I want to capture this post with its (current) rainbow background styling intact: http://tantek.com/2015/178/t1/lovewins-css3-pride-rainbow-background
# KartikPrabhu definitely does
# individual CSS files with the same name as the article file
# backend check if one exists and includes if it does
# has this been captured anywhere on the wiki?
# no. first time this has been asked
# "name [of] the article file"? as in the slug? or something else?
# slug. or whatever identifies the post uniquely in your storag
# what is bundle
# Bundle is a set publishing tools for the Indieweb built using Python and Django https://indiewebcamp.com/Bundle
# what's the first/earliest article you did this with?
# and what do you call this feature?
# per post styling? custom post style? post style?
# edited /Bundle (+172) "/* Post Types */ add custom styling info" (view diff)
# tantek: lets go with custom post style. I do the same for JS too though
# That's a cool feature, KartikPrabhu
# looking for earliest article which probably is an import from old Blogger blog
# if you have JS on check this out: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/life
# oh yeah earliest article is the oldest post on the site from 2006-08-23 : https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/nothing-left-dust
# that's your earliest article *with* a custom post style?
# imported from Blogger original at http://paralleltransport.blogspot.com/2006/10/nothing-left-but-dust.html also with similar styles :P
# did Blogger allow custom post styles?
# tantek: yup! In Blogger I'd put the custom styles directly in the post with <style> elements... yuck ;)
# haha awesome hack
# rofl
# what is a custom post style?
# can you start that KartikPrabhu ^^^ with yourself as an IndieWeb Example and Blogger as a Silo Example exactly with the hack that you did?
# on it
# is bad at starting page fro scratch with wiki-syntax
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# what is custom post style?
# Custom post style is the practice of styling individual posts differently from the rest of the site styles https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style
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# Twitter's commented retweet feature is cool, but I hate that they break how links should intuitively work
# e.g. I can't right-click the retweet being commented on and open it in a new tab
# (I often like to see what the thread for a particular tweet, which is why I'm annoyed)
# so instead of being able to open the original in a new tab, i need to open the comment in a new tab and *then* click the original to see the tweet thread
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# kylewm: trying to work out why this reply isn't being parsed properly on my site. I've probably messed something up. https://kylewm.com/2015/06/just-finished-the-last-episode-this-morning-but-hahaha
# acegiak: GWG left you a message on 6/28 at 5:42am: Thanks for the webmention. I haven't gotten one not from Bridgy in a while. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-28/line/1435495326652
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# Hello, acegiak
# GWG: hi!
# acegiak: Reverse issue this time?
# reverse issue?
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# Couild it be the same issue kylewm had in reverse? The e-content vs the p-content?
# pretty sure php mf2 doesn't care?
# acegiak: The last update to the parser in Semantic Linkbacks was December 2013. Is it possible there was a bug fixed that isn't parsing it correctly?
# this is a good point
# theoretically I should be able to just replace the current version in semantic linkbacks with the new version
# theoretically...
# Yes.
# Then remove the comment and manually send the webmention to see what happens
# It also adds several things that might be fun for Semantic Linkbacks in future.
# I was looking at the commit log for it. And you have ben_thatmustbeme trying to add area parsing for picture tagging. Parsing for audio and video source elements
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# acegiak: Another troubleshooting issue...look to see if the comment data when you try to edit it is correct. If so, then it is a different issue
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# all there
# Not the meta...what is the value of comment_content and comment_type?
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# oh yeah I see what you mean
# Then it is the parsing, it seems. It would say mentioned if the comment type wasn't changed to blank. which it is.
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# updated php mf2 still doing it. weird
# acegiak: I'd still submit a PR for the update to the latest version though to send through to all the versions. Seems like a good idea.
# GWG: I don't have a lot of time at the moment was hoping to find a quick solution
# I'll look at it if I have a moment.
# Parsing isn't my strong point
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# do you want to compare with the python parser?
# KevinMarks_: what I really need to do is add a line to semantic linkbacks that logs the result of current parsing
# acegiak: DEBUG flag?
# which post are you parsing?
# GWG: how i set that again?
# acegiak: We should write it in
# oh right, yeah
# hm, the python one has lots of new bits
# so hard to diff
# parsing on pin13 seemed fine
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# kylewm: can you, just for testing, take out the quotation marks?
# wait no
# hmm
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# GWG: It's parsing correctly :/
# Great!
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# huh
# so wp_update_comment is returning nothing
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# acegiak: What do you mean?
# error_log(print_r(wp_update_comment(\$commentdata),true));
# prints blank to the error log
# docs say it should return 1 or 0
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# KartikPrabhu++ great start on /custom_post_style
# KartikPrabhu has 97 karma
# :thumbsup:
# going to add some more sections :)
# go for it!
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# tantek: do we want custom post script as a page?
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# Anyone noticed this weird @ stripping pseudo-RT/QT on twitter lately? https://twitter.com/21StepsMichael/status/615808245483986945
# rhiaro: #websci15 Come to Online Behaviours session next to see emax present our paper on lying & deception on soc… http://quickestdollar.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/615808245483986945)
# oh, loqi printed a different url to what's displayed on twitter. I guess it's spam then.
# but... weird spam... since it doesn't @ mention anyone
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# edited /Jekyll (+85) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
# edited /projects (+85) "/* Jekyll */" (view diff)
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# edited /Jekyll (-16) "Prettified my own name in the list" (view diff)
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# edited /custom_post_style (+696) "more subheads, add brainstorming with h-entry e-x-style scoped style element idea" (view diff)
# !tell KartikPrabhu re: custom post script - are there real world examples of it? if so, yes, especially if you can add a "Why" section
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# edited /custom_post_style (+7) "/* Tantek */ /code" (view diff)
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# Impressed with https://indieauth.com/ - still too complicated for most people though. (twitter.com/_/status/615875003842572288)
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# good morning #indiewebcamp
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# good morning!
# what are you up to cuibonobo?
# shh Loqi
# haha just working! my company wants to make a game so i've been learning unity these past few weeks
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# beware thinking that social media is a main drag. it's a thing but its like a ledge in a river really.see https://indiewebcamp.com/silo @MnWatcher (twitter.com/_/status/615894245262503937)
#
csarven
What type of systems/environments/tools do you all use to create/update your resources?
#
csarven
Lets make that create/update/delete ;)
# csarven that question is too wide for me to answer, could you be a bit more specific?
# debian linux here
# currently elementaryOS Freya on the desktop, debian 7 on server, looking forward to replace it with FreeBSD on server
# if that is the question
#
csarven
It is a bit related to how you store and retrieve the information for authoring purposes. If you have to update a paragraph or remove an h-card or anything for that matter, what is the process you go through? (e.g., someone who uses static files might open up their blog post in a text editor and edit away, another might use their CMS..)
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# that is a bit hard to answer
# for the posts themselves, WordPress keeps revisions, to the CMS takes care of it; since I write my things in markdown, I just use a plain textbox in the browser, inside WordPress for edits
# those things that live in code, like hcard representations, are in a git repository, synced with github
#
nedorito
I just set up jekyll but haven't had time to relaunch my whole site
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# csarven++ for asking a very good question, and worth documenting (for everyone for themselves and to share)
# csarven has 7 karma
# csarven: for posts i have edit/delete in my micropub client. for data like h-card data i usually end up using mysql-workbench as I have it all in my database, but I don't yet have microupub updating of my h-card working yet
# just took notes while doing my posting process for recent note, documenting shortly
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# i have to do that sometimes with posts too as the edit does not work for articles which are written with an editor app (stored as HTML) but works on all other post types as they are stored as text
# definitely a really good question
# csarven - that question may be worth adding to /wikifying as a good question for people to answer on their User: pages
# it gets at the heart of a lot of what we are doing
# i'm wondering if we do it all in one page
# becomes a central point for ideas about how to make it better UI
# I'm adding it to /Falcon as an example of current posting process
# makes sense per tool I think
# resurfacing -- good morning!
# and maybe *also* a summary page with answers inline or linking to them
# welcome back zachdonovan!
# who is zachdono- ?
# we met at Schnippers in Manhattan
# for a brief and connectivity-challenged HWC
# yes we did - was just wondering about the other IRC nickname :)
# beats me
# maybe leftover from a web IRC UI login?
# really? its the same info it looks like
# zachdonovan: do you have any other machines logged in
# its not web IRC
# pretty sure those don't get Real Name data to match
# edited /Falcon (+905) "capture Sample Post Creation Flow per csarven's question" (view diff)
# ben_thatmustbeme: I'll have a look
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# yeah weblogins show at @indiewebcamp.com
# csarven, ok here you go, both general description of Falcon posting "UI" from before, and just captured as I was doing it, Sample Post Creation Flow: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Publishing_UI
# can definitely be improved, simplified, but it's a transparent capture of my present posting flow so I'll be able to track improvements as they're made.
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# edited /Falcon (+14) "/* Sample Post Creation Flow */ edit locally" (view diff)
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# looks like my bouncer is holding a zombie connection
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#
csarven
ben_thatmustbeme tantek Thanks. I will revisit this.
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#
csarven
tantek Yes, that is the type of process I was interested in hearing from people. It is definitely a nice to have. Maybe even elaborate with personal preference/convenience/pain points.
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# loqi playback too :)
# KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 29 minutes ago: re: custom post script - are there real world examples of it? if so, yes, especially if you can add a "Why" section http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-30/line/1435668829573
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# hi y'all, I'm sorry to say I won't be able to come up to portland for IWC. i'm very disappointed but i've overextended myself and just can't make it work :(
# good use-case for the "Regrets" section ;)
# edited /2015/Guest_List (+2) "move myself to Remote" (view diff)
# yeah KartikPrabhu, I just wanted to apologize personally
# "personally"
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# Bummer, kylewm :/
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# sorry to miss you kylewm but certainly understand
# will we see you tomorrow night at least at Homebrew Website Club? (assuming so per RSVP on https://kylewm.com/2015/06/homebrew-website-club-1 :) )
# thanks! and yep, i'll be up there tomorrow (RSVP on there is from facebook which sadly I don't have any control over)
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# Afternoon
# kylewm: what do you mean you don't have any control over?
# since I created the event, I can't RSVP anything other than yes
# GWG: hey, sorry for radio silence!
# kylewm: oh that's interesting - what if you post an indie rsvp and then Bridgy Publish POSSE it to FB?
# zachdonovan: I have news
# GWG, zachdonovan are you trying to arrange a venue for tomorrow night HWC?
# tantek: I am available, but we didn't schedule one.
# tantek:
# Error: {"error":{"message":"(#100) User must be able to RSVP to the event.","type":"OAuthException","code":100}} HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
# I have a conflict and can't make it
# tomorrow night
# GWG: what's the news?
# zachdonovan: Can you email me? I realized that I don't have yours
# kylewm: hmm - perhaps document on /Facebook#Issues ?
# GWG, zachdonovan how about HWC on the 15th in NYC?
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# I am free that night as far as I know.
# this seems of interest to this group: https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/615919270799618048
# Researching what to do for self-hosted comments on a staticly generated blog. Discourse looks heavy. Isso might work. http://posativ.org/isso/ (twitter.com/_/status/615919270799618048)
# voxpelli: perhaps an opportunity? ^^^
# And the manager of a kosher deli offered me a room if it is vacant.
# tantek: nice, I'll respond :)
# We have to buy food though
# created /you_up_to_cuibonobo (+43) "redirect to working on, prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-30/line/1435673377075" (view diff)
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# GWG, no problem - note the purchase minimum on the wiki
# lol tantek for that edit
# heh
# No minimum.
# GWG, ok cool - then just note the expectation that space is donated on the assumption that attendees will buy at least a drink or a snack.
# good to be upfront about that on the wiki
# oh wow, cuibonobo, i didn't realize you work on Archer, cool
# I got my season 6 crew t-shirt in
# GWG: messaged you
# yeah! it has been a great experience
# zachdonovan: What date is good for you?
# cuibonobo: cool, did you end up here because I mentioned it in #archerfx at the time, or did you just happen to find the group?
# the producers are amazing bosses. i was an illustrator but about a year ago i submitted a proposal to make software tools for the artists and they were like 'yep, go for it'
# ah no i waded in on my own :)
# GWG: for HWC? The 15th works for me.
# GWG are we still thinking about doing a remote IWC on the 11th-12th?
# I will call deli and see if yge regional manager reneged
# hah, love the software name cuibonobo
# zachdonovan: Yes, but still venue challenged. I got an HWC venue.
# ben_thatmustbeme: ah yes! i actually haven't worked on it in a while
# gotcha. I'll ask around re:venue.
# i've been really busy, but also if i'm really honest i think i got a little impostor syndrome too
# like, 'is this good enough?'
# i should just throw it up and be done with it
# zachdonovan: There are a few promising leads.
# yea
# cuibonobo: welcome to the club.
# cuibonobo: i've honestly hit that point with my software and i have put soo much time in to it
# If it helps, you can read my summary of how I post a note on my site from this morning, and feel free to LOL: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Sample_Post_Creation_Flow
# throwitup++ cuibonobo
# throwitup has 1 karma
# Er... :)
# um...
# on another topic - who else (besides KartikPrabhu) is interested in custom post styles?
# is!
# aaronpk: awesome! I was hoping someone who is also building a reader is/was
# uhoh
# :D
# that would be pretty interesting to add
# I'm trying to think through how to publish a custom post style in a post permalink in such a way that reader could parse/see it, and perhaps *optionally* even use it for displaying that post!
# this is the key idea I'm starting with: <div class="e-x-style"><style scoped>…</style></div> inside the h-entry for the post
# styles that affect the contents of the post are fine, but i don't think there would be a reasonable way to have the post affect the styles outside the post
# for example your custom background for your whole site layout doesn't make sense in a reader
# but could on the h-entry
# but something like specifically styling an element within the post content would work fine
# is scoped styles actually working in all browsers yet?
# ohhh dear
# have not see nthat yet
# isn't that not backwards compatible?
# there's a polyfill for it
# aaronpk: double negative?
# what's the opposite of backwards compatible
# backwards incompatible?
# forwards compatible?
# sticks to the original "not backwards compatible"
# "is that backwards compatible?"
# different meaning
# aaronpk - works in Firefox :D
# tantek: sorry, if redirects when you have js on
# or rather rewrites the URL
# rewrites to a longer more fragile URL?!?
# caniuse--
# caniuse has -1 karma
# I think I'm going to start using <style scoped> on live posts on my site just to nudge the other browsers with more bug reports >:D
# "isn't that not backwards compatible" implies that I think it is not backwards compatible, whereas "is that backwards compatible" doesn't have that implication and just sounds like an innocent question
# hmm - if I get that right, maybe I can even style my posts *in-stream* like on my home page!
# aaronpk: back to the question at hand, would you consider adding "e-x-style" support to Monocle?
# actually i can make it work on my site already as i give the post an ID which is its internal ID
# why does it need a microformat?
# so i could rewrite the styles
# but ... scoped would be sooo much better
# aaronpk - so you can just read the <style> element as part of the h-entry that it's for!
# it's a property, not a format itself
# if you include a <style scoped> element inside your e-content html, and a reader renders the html, it will just work
# property of its h-entry
# why not just target the post id?
# realizes he can really mess up readers this way if they display the html
# or an id inside the e-content?
# KevinMarks: my posts no longer have id attributes
# KevinMarks_: because during creation, you don't have an ID
# assuming we are doing this through micropub
# aaronpk - I was assuming you were already filtering out <style> <script> and other possibly abusive tags
# tantek: question: are we assuming support for <style scoped> (with or without a polyfill)? my answer will be different depending on the answer
# tantek's feed would regularly blow up readers because he used xhtml inline and they were expecting escaped html and didn't sanitise that path
# hence why I was thinking of explicitly putting it on the h-entry as a property to indicate that yes, the author intends this style to go with this entry
# KevinMarks: still does :D - I still hear stories of people seeing <div … > in the "titles" of my posts in their "readers"
# which apparently fail to support Atom 1.0 propertly :P
# if there were a "style" property on an h-entry then the reader could include that css in whatever way it feels is appropriate, either by using style scoped, or using its own mechanism of scoping the css to the post, using its own css IDs for example
# s/propertly/properly
# tantek meant to say: which apparently fail to support Atom 1.0 properly :P
# aaronpk - yes!
# and then it would still be safe to strip out any <style> tags inside the e-content html
# google reader was funny as a tantek's posts would be much bigger as he had <h2> in them
# i still occasionally get tantek's posts in my Google Now stream
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# RT @voxpelli: @jimpick I built https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ to accept comments other posts on their sites. @simmelj also has built one: https://… (twitter.com/_/status/615956807761014784)
# voxpelli++
# voxpelli has 25 karma
# voxpelli++
# voxpelli has 26 karma
# yeah I kinda want to get custom post styles and <style scoped> working before I take down the rainbow flag background of my home page and all my posts - just to preserve it on that one post itself
# tantek, i like that idea
# and I'm not going to "protect" other browsers against <style scoped> either - so whatever (presumably buggy) thing they do, it will be on them :P
# i've definitely put post-specific css rules in posts before, i thought you were talking about custom styles for the site layout per post
# aaronpk - oh? what was the earliest post you did that? and what mechanism did you use?
# so I should keep using <details><summary> even though firefox ignores it?
# KevinMarks: if you like the feature, yeah, go for it
# I myself am not a huge fan of details/summary, but that's IMO
# it's a <style> tag that is written right alongside the post content
# very cool!
# i don't show full blog post content on my home page
# @voxpelli @simmelj Very cool! I was looking at webmentions. Not sure how it works for lightweight commenting (eg. anonymous). (twitter.com/_/status/615958847019036672)
# odd, it also doesn't show on the archive page for that day: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/03/11/
# yeah, i don't show post contents on list views
# you mean article content? because you do show note, reply, sleep content on list views
# @jimpick Depends on whether one wants to host them or not. Been talking to @simmelj about adding my WebMention embed to his more classic one (twitter.com/_/status/615959332937670656)
# er yea, article
# i do show the featured image
# so you show a /link-preview for articles in list views then instead of the article itself?
# i suppose you could call it that
# is wanting hovercards for all the links now
# in fact, maybe i should take some design inspiration from link-preview and make sure my articles look better in lists
# aaronpk, e.g. I just hovered over "Feed by M.T. Anderson" in your sidebar, and expected to see an image of the book's cover
# is still playing with that
# come to think of it, i have been finding hovercards useful lately
# amazon uses them a ton
# aaronpk: same thing for all your "Listening" items, expecting to see a thumbnail of the album/single covers
# I got distracted by trying to make text fit without js
# hovering over rating stars to see the breakdown of % for each rating
# KevinMarks: text-overflow:ellipsis; ?
# text-overflow-ellipsis++
# text-overflow-ellipsis has 1 karma
# Loqi, learn X all the Y!
# I don't want bloody ellipses, I want to read the title
# KevinMarks: you could always use MARQUEE ;)
# I am so sick of stupid designs that pretend all names are short
# especially in music players
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# KevinMarks sounds like a rant worthy of screenshots and one of your infamous screeds ;)
# I was trying to come up wiht a layout solution
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# a friend of mine posted a good mockup... let me find it
# aaronpk - nice
# edited /custom_post_style (+294) "/* Indieweb Examples */" (view diff)
# I like the way the Swarm app shrinks the font size as you type more text into a checkin comment box
# yeah!
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# just published two new indieweb node modules that's part of a Micropub endpoint I'm building
# one for formatting a Microformat JSON structure into something not so JSON:y (currently a Jekyll post): https://github.com/voxpelli/node-format-microformat
# and another that's a built and ready Micropub endpoint one can plug into ones Express Node.js app: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express
# both very early versions
# voxpelli++
# voxpelli has 27 karma
# sweet! are you planning on supporting both form-encoded and json micropub requests?
# trying to make text fit the width of the element is really hard
# aaronpk: I think so, currently I've only focused on the form-encoded one, but I'm transforming them into JSON representation within the endpoint module so support for JSON requests should be more or less free
# sweet
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# it currently works with Quill – so I can publish Jekyll posts to my GitHub Pages blog from Quill
# nice
# tantek: darnit now I want hovercards for all my links too!
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# Inception complete. (BWOOOOONGGGGG)
# i wonder if i can do that somehow by adding a single script tag to my site
# now you're getting ahead of me
# what is a hovercard?
# I was doing an unmung hovercard maker
# and on hover, have it ping an endpoint somewhere that returns a hovercard if it can make one
# whoa old page!
# goes to edit
# hm there are some good hovercard.TLD domains available
# hah!
# that actually might work reasonably well with responsive design being a priority
# edited /User:Dym.cx (-500) "shrt" (view diff)
# it looks extra good on high dpi screens too
# ok updated /hovercard a bit, feel free to add more!
# (I did pick responsive examples)
# ooh I think I know how we could easily markup hovercards in-content instead of having to JS them in
# with h-cite
# at least for things like books, movies, tv shows
# and then you could have the normal in-line minimal display of such things, as well as the :hover display that could show them that other information
# to do things like insert more links (e.g. if the hovercard had more links to things), you'd need JS, not just CSS
# i don't think i actually want to have the markup inline
# more work for me
# indeed - it's a tradeoff for sure
# XHRing the hovercard on demand would be more efficient for first page load
# Ben's tweet embed technique is worth studying
# KevinMarks: he is here in the channel btw: benward :)
# back on custom post style
# aaronpk, re: shouldn't the custom <style> just be included as part of the e-content - well no, not if you're using *p-content*
# e.g. my rainbow styling post is a *note* using p-content
# but your rainbow styling doesn't apply to the post content
# it's going to - that's my point
# how? what will it look like?
# I'm going to switch it from being global on my site / posts to just be that post only
# on the post permalink it will affect the whole post, which is the whole page
# what will it look like in list views?
# and if I get scoped style working, then it *should* affect only the "box" of the post in-stream on my home page
# seriously if I get this working I think it will look very cool :)
# so that's the reason to explicitly markup e-x-style and look for it in a reader - so that even notes with "just" p-content can get custom styling
# that's another reason
# yes, I stand corrected. another reason. :)
# i think the reason mentioned earlier makes a lot of sense as well, even for html content
# feels like everytime he says "I stand corrected." he should actually stand up.
# yes. we should capture both in /custom_post_style#Why
# I love this, talking of previews http://pagesfromceefax.net
# not sure how to capture those
# also i feel like there are two different kinds of custom post styles. styles that apply to contents of the post vs styles that apply to the stuff around/behind the post
# aaronpk - we can capture them as "Use Cases" as a subsection of Why if you like
# my dropcaps styles being an example of the former, and tantek's rainbow background an example of the latter
# I have a standing desk, so I cna say it accurately
# aaronpk: CSS makes no such distinction
# except in property names, e.g. background vs. color and font-size
# KevinMarks++
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# well in order to target the background, it will likely need to be done differently for a post permalink vs in a list view
# as in, i'm pretty sure with my current HTML I can't write a single CSS rule for both
# sometimes I change a whole lot i my custom_post_styles including the logo/button colours
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# had to change tantek's CSS from targeting the body tag to the html tag
# and that of course won't work in a list view
# gah, closed my irc client by accident
# aaronpk what if you used <html class="h-entry"> ?
# For PuSH, my atom feed is using https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/ and I want to update it to superfeedr. Do I need to just change the hub in the feed, or do I need to send anything so subscribers know to update? Didn't see anything on the wiki about this.
# for the permalink pages at least
# tantek: then I have other problems
# ooh maybe not actually, looks like i may have cleaned up some of that
# gRegorLove: subscribers should poll occasionally to see if the push hub has updated; you could continue to ping both of them for a while to speed this up
# gRegorLove: probably worth capturing as an FAQ: /PuSH#FAQ
# kylewm: Do you mean listing both hubs in the feed? If the feed lists superfeedr but I push to appspot won't that cause problems?
# according to julien you can list and ping both hubs
# Maybe I'll try updating to superfeedr and pinging both, see what appspot does
# How often is Woodwind polling to check the hub?
# 1x/day if the feed does push and has been successfully subscribed
# @lmprht â†’ are already plenty ways, all limited to different platforms with TOS. And what about RSS users? Are silos really better? Indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/615987823112531968)
# edited /PubSubHubbub (+306) "/* Issues */ +FAQ" (view diff)
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# edited /PubSubHubbub (-8) "main url is now on github" (view diff)
# edited /PubSubHubbub (+6) "/* Hubs */ new url on github" (view diff)
# sigh, this didn't work out too well https://adactio.com/journal/9201#comment20116
# edited /Template:dym_cx (+6) "+ space between icon and the name" (view diff)
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kylewm: shouldda not put .h-entry on a <body>
# why?
#
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looks, like abdacto-s site scraped all in .h-entry
# odd, there shouldn't be any scraping happening, only parsing
#
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# dym_cx meant to say: looks, like adactio-s site scraped all in .h-entry
# URL?
# this is probably the implied p-name problem
# no, it was supposed to be a like
# there shouldn't be any text at all, it should just be interpreted as a like, like the other ones at the bottom
# but if you don't put a name, the parser implies one
# sure, but why should it use the name at all?
# kylewm - exactly
# perhaps something to be clarified on /likes
# oh yeah, if adactio is consuming the like properly. but it needs a better fallback for consumers that don't handle like
# that's what p-summary is for
# I believe kylewm and I resolved this in IRC a while ago, specifically regarding RSVP responses, but applicable to any /response
# is jeremy's code open source?
# i changed p-name to "likes this." and it interpreted it as a like...
# mostly I wanted to get my dumb looking comment off the top of an important post on a high traffic blog :)
# heh
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# Wanting to keep CSS Pride bg live on its post, asked #indiewebcamp; two have per post styling: https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style (ttk.me t4bw2) (twitter.com/_/status/616017057302364160)
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# tantek: what do you think of having /customized_posts as one page with /custom_post_style and /custom_post_scripts as sections ?
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# I think they're pretty different
# just like different h-entry properties are different
# and frankly, in terms of reader recommendations
# ok cool
# to do scoped style, where as scoped script doesn't work like that.
# I mean - if there even is scoped script
# "there is scoped style" is also dubious with lot less support
# scoped style is declaratively containable, whereas script is not
# also what I do with custom_post_style is not "scoped" in any sense
# it is - to that post
# not to the h-entry
# do you display your articles ever in a list?
# yes.
# h-entry is just the plumbing for the post
# tantek: well in that sense I can scope scripts to a post by only including them on the post permalink pag
# I'm working on content creation tonight
# Part 4 of my continuing series.
# KartikPrabhu sure - hence I suggested a separate /custom_post_script page
# aah ok I see :)
# I mention this because people too often forget to talk about writing stuff
# what is custom_post_script?
# IF there are any real world examples or real world interest / itches
# tantek: i have a few examples already
# GWG, no it's not forgotten. see /create
# KartikPrabhu: you publish per post scripts already ?!?
# tantek: I meant, we talk about how we are building tools for our sites in here, but don't mention when we are posting content on them as much
# with JS on :P
# of course ;)
# GWG - interesting - I see it as a good mix
# tantek: a more practical exmaple is https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/euclids-space where I use MathJax to convert Latex equations to MathML or HTML+CSS rendering
# tantek: I'll be watching over the next week. I'm curious to see if I change my impression
# KartikPrabhu: very good - definitely link to practical examples!
# aaronpk, is today a Homebrew Website Club Meetup in Portland?
# alright, I'm going to try implementing e-x-style and <style scoped> later tonight, shoudl be doable, and hoping to provide an example for aaronpk /Monocle to parse and display
# Jeena - tomorrow - but we need a venue in PDX
# I see, the only bad thing about the place we've been last time was the quite bad wifi connection