#indiewebcamp 2015-06-30

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aaronpk bret: http://indiewebcamp.com/token-endpoint#Self-Encoded_Tokens
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tantek bret - it is? I don't see a Portland venue here: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek does anyone here have per-post custom styling? if so, how are you storing / publishing it?
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tantek use-case: I want to capture this post with its (current) rainbow background styling intact: http://tantek.com/2015/178/t1/lovewins-css3-pride-rainbow-background
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kylewm KartikPrabhu definitely does
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KartikPrabhu individual CSS files with the same name as the article file
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KartikPrabhu backend check if one exists and includes if it does
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tantek has this been captured anywhere on the wiki?
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KartikPrabhu no. first time this has been asked
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tantek "name [of] the article file"? as in the slug? or something else?
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KartikPrabhu slug. or whatever identifies the post uniquely in your storag
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KartikPrabhu what is bundle
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Loqi Bundle is a set publishing tools for the Indieweb built using Python and Django https://indiewebcamp.com/Bundle
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tantek what's the first/earliest article you did this with?
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tantek and what do you call this feature?
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tantek per post styling? custom post style? post style?
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kartikprabhu.com edited /Bundle (+172) "/* Post Types */ add custom styling info" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: lets go with custom post style. I do the same for JS too though
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gRegorLove That's a cool feature, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu looking for earliest article which probably is an import from old Blogger blog
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KartikPrabhu if you have JS on check this out: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/life
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah earliest article is the oldest post on the site from 2006-08-23 : https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/nothing-left-dust
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tantek that's your earliest article *with* a custom post style?
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KartikPrabhu imported from Blogger original at http://paralleltransport.blogspot.com/2006/10/nothing-left-but-dust.html also with similar styles :P
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tantek did Blogger allow custom post styles?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yup! In Blogger I'd put the custom styles directly in the post with <style> elements... yuck ;)
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tantek haha awesome hack
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Loqi rofl
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tantek what is a custom post style?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "custom post style" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=custom+post+style&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-29%2Fline%2F1435625372152
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tantek can you start that KartikPrabhu ^^^ with yourself as an IndieWeb Example and Blogger as a Silo Example exactly with the hack that you did?
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KartikPrabhu on it
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KartikPrabhu is bad at starting page fro scratch with wiki-syntax
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kartikprabhu.com created /custom_post_style (+832) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-29/line/1435625372152" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu what is custom post style?
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Loqi Custom post style is the practice of styling individual posts differently from the rest of the site styles https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style
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cuibonobo Twitter's commented retweet feature is cool, but I hate that they break how links should intuitively work
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cuibonobo e.g. I can't right-click the retweet being commented on and open it in a new tab
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cuibonobo (I often like to see what the thread for a particular tweet, which is why I'm annoyed)
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cuibonobo so instead of being able to open the original in a new tab, i need to open the comment in a new tab and *then* click the original to see the tweet thread
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acegiak kylewm: trying to work out why this reply isn't being parsed properly on my site. I've probably messed something up. https://kylewm.com/2015/06/just-finished-the-last-episode-this-morning-but-hahaha
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message on 6/28 at 5:42am: Thanks for the webmention. I haven't gotten one not from Bridgy in a while. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-28/line/1435495326652
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GWG Hello, acegiak
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acegiak GWG: hi!
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GWG acegiak: Reverse issue this time?
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acegiak reverse issue?
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acegiak GWG: you can see here it's just being picked up as a mention: https://acegiak.net/2015/06/23/still-really-liking-the-show-the-episode-i-just-watched-had-a-pivotal-scene-with-dr-metzger-in-my-favorite-coffeesandwi/
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GWG Couild it be the same issue kylewm had in reverse? The e-content vs the p-content?
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acegiak pretty sure php mf2 doesn't care?
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GWG acegiak: The last update to the parser in Semantic Linkbacks was December 2013. Is it possible there was a bug fixed that isn't parsing it correctly?
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GWG My first response is always to ask...do we have the latest version of the software?
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acegiak this is a good point
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acegiak theoretically I should be able to just replace the current version in semantic linkbacks with the new version
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acegiak theoretically...
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GWG Yes.
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GWG Then remove the comment and manually send the webmention to see what happens
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GWG It also adds several things that might be fun for Semantic Linkbacks in future.
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GWG I was looking at the commit log for it. And you have ben_thatmustbeme trying to add area parsing for picture tagging. Parsing for audio and video source elements
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GWG acegiak: Another troubleshooting issue...look to see if the comment data when you try to edit it is correct. If so, then it is a different issue
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acegiak GWG: https://acegiak.net/files/2015/06/Screenshot-300615-120605.png
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acegiak all there
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GWG Not the meta...what is the value of comment_content and comment_type?
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acegiak oh yeah I see what you mean
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acegiak https://acegiak.net/files/2015/06/Screenshot-300615-121055.png
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GWG Then it is the parsing, it seems. It would say mentioned if the comment type wasn't changed to blank. which it is.
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acegiak updated php mf2 still doing it. weird
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GWG acegiak: I'd still submit a PR for the update to the latest version though to send through to all the versions. Seems like a good idea.
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acegiak GWG: I don't have a lot of time at the moment was hoping to find a quick solution
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GWG I'll look at it if I have a moment.
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GWG Parsing isn't my strong point
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KevinMarks_ do you want to compare with the python parser?
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acegiak KevinMarks_: what I really need to do is add a line to semantic linkbacks that logs the result of current parsing
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GWG acegiak: DEBUG flag?
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KevinMarks_ which post are you parsing?
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acegiak GWG: how i set that again?
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GWG acegiak: We should write it in
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acegiak oh right, yeah
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acegiak KevinMarks_: https://kylewm.com/2015/06/just-finished-the-last-episode-this-morning-but-hahaha
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KevinMarks_ hm, the python one has lots of new bits
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KevinMarks_ so hard to diff
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kylewm parsing on pin13 seemed fine
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acegiak kylewm: can you, just for testing, take out the quotation marks?
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acegiak wait no
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acegiak hmm
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acegiak GWG: It's parsing correctly :/
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GWG Great!
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acegiak huh
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acegiak so wp_update_comment is returning nothing
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GWG acegiak: What do you mean?
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acegiak error_log(print_r(wp_update_comment($commentdata),true));
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acegiak prints blank to the error log
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acegiak docs say it should return 1 or 0
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tantek KartikPrabhu++ great start on /custom_post_style
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 97 karma
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KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
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tantek going to add some more sections :)
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KartikPrabhu go for it!
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KartikPrabhu tantek: do we want custom post script as a page?
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tantek.com edited /custom_post_style (+158) "see also, why" (view diff)
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rhiaro Anyone noticed this weird @ stripping pseudo-RT/QT on twitter lately? https://twitter.com/21StepsMichael/status/615808245483986945
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@21StepsMichael rhiaro: #websci15 Come to Online Behaviours session next to see emax present our paper on lying & deception on soc… http://quickestdollar.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/615808245483986945)
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rhiaro oh, loqi printed a different url to what's displayed on twitter. I guess it's spam then.
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rhiaro but... weird spam... since it doesn't @ mention anyone
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tristanthomas.me edited /Jekyll (+85) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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tristanthomas.me edited /projects (+85) "/* Jekyll */" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /Jekyll (-16) "Prettified my own name in the list" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /custom_post_style (+696) "more subheads, add brainstorming with h-entry e-x-style scoped style element idea" (view diff)
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu re: custom post script - are there real world examples of it? if so, yes, especially if you can add a "Why" section
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /custom_post_style (+7) "/* Tantek */ /code" (view diff)
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@jimpick Impressed with https://indieauth.com/ - still too complicated for most people though. (twitter.com/_/status/615875003842572288)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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cuibonobo good morning!
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ben_thatmustbeme what are you up to cuibonobo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you up to cuibonobo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+up+to+cuibonobo&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-30%2Fline%2F1435673377075
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ben_thatmustbeme shh Loqi
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cuibonobo haha just working! my company wants to make a game so i've been learning unity these past few weeks
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@HongPong beware thinking that social media is a main drag. it's a thing but its like a ledge in a river really.see https://indiewebcamp.com/silo @MnWatcher (twitter.com/_/status/615894245262503937)
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csarven What type of systems/environments/tools do you all use to create/update your resources?
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csarven Lets make that create/update/delete ;)
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petermolnar csarven that question is too wide for me to answer, could you be a bit more specific?
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cweiske debian linux here
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petermolnar currently elementaryOS Freya on the desktop, debian 7 on server, looking forward to replace it with FreeBSD on server
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petermolnar if that is the question
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csarven It is a bit related to how you store and retrieve the information for authoring purposes. If you have to update a paragraph or remove an h-card or anything for that matter, what is the process you go through? (e.g., someone who uses static files might open up their blog post in a text editor and edit away, another might use their CMS..)
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petermolnar that is a bit hard to answer
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petermolnar for the posts themselves, WordPress keeps revisions, to the CMS takes care of it; since I write my things in markdown, I just use a plain textbox in the browser, inside WordPress for edits
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petermolnar those things that live in code, like hcard representations, are in a git repository, synced with github
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nedorito I just set up jekyll but haven't had time to relaunch my whole site
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tantek csarven++ for asking a very good question, and worth documenting (for everyone for themselves and to share)
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Loqi csarven has 7 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme csarven: for posts i have edit/delete in my micropub client. for data like h-card data i usually end up using mysql-workbench as I have it all in my database, but I don't yet have microupub updating of my h-card working yet
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tantek just took notes while doing my posting process for recent note, documenting shortly
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ben_thatmustbeme i have to do that sometimes with posts too as the edit does not work for articles which are written with an editor app (stored as HTML) but works on all other post types as they are stored as text
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ben_thatmustbeme definitely a really good question
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tantek csarven - that question may be worth adding to /wikifying as a good question for people to answer on their User: pages
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tantek it gets at the heart of a lot of what we are doing
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm wondering if we do it all in one page
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ben_thatmustbeme becomes a central point for ideas about how to make it better UI
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tantek I'm adding it to /Falcon as an example of current posting process
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tantek makes sense per tool I think
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zachdonovan resurfacing -- good morning!
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tantek and maybe *also* a summary page with answers inline or linking to them
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tantek welcome back zachdonovan!
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tantek who is zachdono- ?
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zachdonovan we met at Schnippers in Manhattan
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zachdonovan for a brief and connectivity-challenged HWC
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tantek yes we did - was just wondering about the other IRC nickname :)
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zachdonovan oh!
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zachdonovan beats me
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tantek maybe leftover from a web IRC UI login?
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ben_thatmustbeme really? its the same info it looks like
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ben_thatmustbeme zachdonovan: do you have any other machines logged in
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ben_thatmustbeme its not web IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme pretty sure those don't get Real Name data to match
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+905) "capture Sample Post Creation Flow per csarven's question" (view diff)
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zachdonovan ben_thatmustbeme: I'll have a look
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah weblogins show at @indiewebcamp.com
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tantek csarven, ok here you go, both general description of Falcon posting "UI" from before, and just captured as I was doing it, Sample Post Creation Flow: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Publishing_UI
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tantek can definitely be improved, simplified, but it's a transparent capture of my present posting flow so I'll be able to track improvements as they're made.
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+14) "/* Sample Post Creation Flow */ edit locally" (view diff)
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zachdonovan looks like my bouncer is holding a zombie connection
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csarven ben_thatmustbeme tantek Thanks. I will revisit this.
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csarven tantek Yes, that is the type of process I was interested in hearing from people. It is definitely a nice to have. Maybe even elaborate with personal preference/convenience/pain points.
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10155695330880212 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10206919429175203 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10205411099895441 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10155212451295471 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10153328699890340 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10204679122316561 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#933742776565 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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KartikPrabhu loqi playback too :)
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 29 minutes ago: re: custom post script - are there real world examples of it? if so, yes, especially if you can add a "Why" section http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-30/line/1435668829573
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10153410284605761 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10155527645505615 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm hi y'all, I'm sorry to say I won't be able to come up to portland for IWC. i'm very disappointed but i've overextended myself and just can't make it work :(
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KartikPrabhu good use-case for the "Regrets" section ;)
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kylewm.com edited /2015/Guest_List (+2) "move myself to Remote" (view diff)
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kylewm yeah KartikPrabhu, I just wanted to apologize personally
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kylewm "personally"
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gRegorLove Bummer, kylewm :/
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tantek sorry to miss you kylewm but certainly understand
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tantek will we see you tomorrow night at least at Homebrew Website Club? (assuming so per RSVP on https://kylewm.com/2015/06/homebrew-website-club-1 :) )
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kylewm thanks! and yep, i'll be up there tomorrow (RSVP on there is from facebook which sadly I don't have any control over)
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GWG Afternoon
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tantek kylewm: what do you mean you don't have any control over?
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kylewm since I created the event, I can't RSVP anything other than yes
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zachdonovan GWG: hey, sorry for radio silence!
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tantek kylewm: oh that's interesting - what if you post an indie rsvp and then Bridgy Publish POSSE it to FB?
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GWG zachdonovan: I have news
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tantek GWG, zachdonovan are you trying to arrange a venue for tomorrow night HWC?
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GWG tantek: I am available, but we didn't schedule one.
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kylewm tantek:
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kylewm Error: {"error":{"message":"(#100) User must be able to RSVP to the event.","type":"OAuthException","code":100}} HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
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zachdonovan I have a conflict and can't make it
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zachdonovan tomorrow night
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zachdonovan GWG: what's the news?
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GWG zachdonovan: Can you email me? I realized that I don't have yours
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tantek kylewm: hmm - perhaps document on /Facebook#Issues ?
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tantek GWG, zachdonovan how about HWC on the 15th in NYC?
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GWG I am free that night as far as I know.
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tantek this seems of interest to this group: https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/615919270799618048
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@jimpick Researching what to do for self-hosted comments on a staticly generated blog. Discourse looks heavy. Isso might work. http://posativ.org/isso/ (twitter.com/_/status/615919270799618048)
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tantek voxpelli: perhaps an opportunity? ^^^
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GWG And the manager of a kosher deli offered me a room if it is vacant.
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voxpelli tantek: nice, I'll respond :)
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GWG We have to buy food though
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tantek.com created /you_up_to_cuibonobo (+43) "redirect to working on, prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-30/line/1435673377075" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, no problem - note the purchase minimum on the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme lol tantek for that edit
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cuibonobo heh
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@voxpelli @jimpick I built https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ to accept comments other posts on their sites. @simmelj also has built one: https://github.com/simme/node-tala (twitter.com/_/status/615947653797519360)
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GWG No minimum.
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tantek GWG, ok cool - then just note the expectation that space is donated on the assumption that attendees will buy at least a drink or a snack.
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tantek good to be upfront about that on the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme oh wow, cuibonobo, i didn't realize you work on Archer, cool
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ben_thatmustbeme I got my season 6 crew t-shirt in
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zachdonovan GWG: messaged you
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cuibonobo yeah! it has been a great experience
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GWG zachdonovan: What date is good for you?
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ben_thatmustbeme cuibonobo: cool, did you end up here because I mentioned it in #archerfx at the time, or did you just happen to find the group?
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cuibonobo the producers are amazing bosses. i was an illustrator but about a year ago i submitted a proposal to make software tools for the artists and they were like 'yep, go for it'
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cuibonobo ah no i waded in on my own :)
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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zachdonovan GWG: for HWC? The 15th works for me.
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zachdonovan GWG are we still thinking about doing a remote IWC on the 11th-12th?
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GWG I will call deli and see if yge regional manager reneged
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ben_thatmustbeme hah, love the software name cuibonobo
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GWG zachdonovan: Yes, but still venue challenged. I got an HWC venue.
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cuibonobo ben_thatmustbeme: ah yes! i actually haven't worked on it in a while
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zachdonovan gotcha. I'll ask around re:venue.
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cuibonobo i've been really busy, but also if i'm really honest i think i got a little impostor syndrome too
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cuibonobo like, 'is this good enough?'
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cuibonobo i should just throw it up and be done with it
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GWG zachdonovan: There are a few promising leads.
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Loqi yea
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tantek cuibonobo: welcome to the club.
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ben_thatmustbeme cuibonobo: i've honestly hit that point with my software and i have put soo much time in to it
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tantek If it helps, you can read my summary of how I post a note on my site from this morning, and feel free to LOL: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Sample_Post_Creation_Flow
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gRegorLove throwitup++ cuibonobo
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Loqi throwitup has 1 karma
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gRegorLove Er... :)
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tantek um...
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tantek on another topic - who else (besides KartikPrabhu) is interested in custom post styles?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style
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aaronpk is!
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tantek aaronpk: awesome! I was hoping someone who is also building a reader is/was
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aaronpk uhoh
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tantek :D
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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ben_thatmustbeme that would be pretty interesting to add
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tantek I'm trying to think through how to publish a custom post style in a post permalink in such a way that reader could parse/see it, and perhaps *optionally* even use it for displaying that post!
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tantek this is the key idea I'm starting with: <div class="e-x-style"><style scoped>…</style></div> inside the h-entry for the post
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aaronpk styles that affect the contents of the post are fine, but i don't think there would be a reasonable way to have the post affect the styles outside the post
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aaronpk for example your custom background for your whole site layout doesn't make sense in a reader
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tantek but could on the h-entry
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aaronpk but something like specifically styling an element within the post content would work fine
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ben_thatmustbeme is scoped styles actually working in all browsers yet?
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tantek I'm not making this up: http://html5doctor.com/the-scoped-attribute/
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aaronpk ohhh dear
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aaronpk have not see nthat yet
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aaronpk isn't that not backwards compatible?
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ben_thatmustbeme http://caniuse.com/#feat=style-scoped
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tantek there's a polyfill for it
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: double negative?
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aaronpk what's the opposite of backwards compatible
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aaronpk backwards incompatible?
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aaronpk forwards compatible?
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aaronpk sticks to the original "not backwards compatible"
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: here's a noJS link instead: http://caniuse.com/style-scoped
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ben_thatmustbeme "is that backwards compatible?"
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aaronpk different meaning
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tantek aaronpk - works in Firefox :D
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: sorry, if redirects when you have js on
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather rewrites the URL
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tantek rewrites to a longer more fragile URL?!?
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tantek caniuse--
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tantek I think I'm going to start using <style scoped> on live posts on my site just to nudge the other browsers with more bug reports >:D
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aaronpk "isn't that not backwards compatible" implies that I think it is not backwards compatible, whereas "is that backwards compatible" doesn't have that implication and just sounds like an innocent question
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tantek hmm - if I get that right, maybe I can even style my posts *in-stream* like on my home page!
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tantek aaronpk: back to the question at hand, would you consider adding "e-x-style" support to Monocle?
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ben_thatmustbeme actually i can make it work on my site already as i give the post an ID which is its internal ID
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aaronpk why does it need a microformat?
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ben_thatmustbeme so i could rewrite the styles
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ben_thatmustbeme but ... scoped would be sooo much better
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tantek aaronpk - so you can just read the <style> element as part of the h-entry that it's for!
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tantek it's a property, not a format itself
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aaronpk if you include a <style scoped> element inside your e-content html, and a reader renders the html, it will just work
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tantek property of its h-entry
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KevinMarks_ why not just target the post id?
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ben_thatmustbeme realizes he can really mess up readers this way if they display the html
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KevinMarks_ or an id inside the e-content?
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tantek KevinMarks: my posts no longer have id attributes
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks_: because during creation, you don't have an ID
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ben_thatmustbeme assuming we are doing this through micropub
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tantek aaronpk - I was assuming you were already filtering out <style> <script> and other possibly abusive tags
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aaronpk tantek: question: are we assuming support for <style scoped> (with or without a polyfill)? my answer will be different depending on the answer
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KevinMarks_ tantek's feed would regularly blow up readers because he used xhtml inline and they were expecting escaped html and didn't sanitise that path
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tantek hence why I was thinking of explicitly putting it on the h-entry as a property to indicate that yes, the author intends this style to go with this entry
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tantek KevinMarks: still does :D - I still hear stories of people seeing <div … > in the "titles" of my posts in their "readers"
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tantek which apparently fail to support Atom 1.0 propertly :P
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aaronpk if there were a "style" property on an h-entry then the reader could include that css in whatever way it feels is appropriate, either by using style scoped, or using its own mechanism of scoping the css to the post, using its own css IDs for example
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tantek s/propertly/properly
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Loqi tantek meant to say: which apparently fail to support Atom 1.0 properly :P
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tantek aaronpk - yes!
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aaronpk and then it would still be safe to strip out any <style> tags inside the e-content html
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KevinMarks_ google reader was funny as a tantek's posts would be much bigger as he had <h2> in them
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ben_thatmustbeme i still occasionally get tantek's posts in my Google Now stream
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tantek voxpelli++
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voxpelli :)
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli++
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tantek yeah I kinda want to get custom post styles and <style scoped> working before I take down the rainbow flag background of my home page and all my posts - just to preserve it on that one post itself
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, i like that idea
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tantek and I'm not going to "protect" other browsers against <style scoped> either - so whatever (presumably buggy) thing they do, it will be on them :P
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aaronpk i've definitely put post-specific css rules in posts before, i thought you were talking about custom styles for the site layout per post
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tantek aaronpk - oh? what was the earliest post you did that? and what mechanism did you use?
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tantek aaronpk: add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style#Indieweb_Examples :)
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KevinMarks_ so I should keep using <details><summary> even though firefox ignores it?
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tantek KevinMarks: if you like the feature, yeah, go for it
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tantek I myself am not a huge fan of details/summary, but that's IMO
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aaronpk I added custom css in the post content to get these drop caps http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/03/11/1/14-things-to-pack-for-a-week-at-a-tech-conference
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aaronpk it's a <style> tag that is written right alongside the post content
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tantek very cool!
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tantek did it show up on your home page as well that way?
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aaronpk i don't show full blog post content on my home page
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@jimpick @voxpelli @simmelj Very cool! I was looking at webmentions. Not sure how it works for lightweight commenting (eg. anonymous). (twitter.com/_/status/615958847019036672)
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tantek odd, it also doesn't show on the archive page for that day: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/03/11/
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aaronpk yeah, i don't show post contents on list views
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tantek you mean article content? because you do show note, reply, sleep content on list views
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@voxpelli @jimpick Depends on whether one wants to host them or not. Been talking to @simmelj about adding my WebMention embed to his more classic one (twitter.com/_/status/615959332937670656)
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aaronpk er yea, article
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aaronpk i do show the featured image
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tantek so you show a /link-preview for articles in list views then instead of the article itself?
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aaronpk i suppose you could call it that
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tantek is wanting hovercards for all the links now
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aaronpk in fact, maybe i should take some design inspiration from link-preview and make sure my articles look better in lists
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tantek aaronpk, e.g. I just hovered over "Feed by M.T. Anderson" in your sidebar, and expected to see an image of the book's cover
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KevinMarks_ is still playing with that
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aaronpk come to think of it, i have been finding hovercards useful lately
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aaronpk amazon uses them a ton
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tantek aaronpk: same thing for all your "Listening" items, expecting to see a thumbnail of the album/single covers
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KevinMarks_ I got distracted by trying to make text fit without js
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aaronpk hovering over rating stars to see the breakdown of % for each rating
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tantek KevinMarks: text-overflow:ellipsis; ?
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tantek hovercard all the links!
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aaronpk text-overflow-ellipsis++
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tantek Loqi, learn X all the Y!
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KevinMarks_ I don't want bloody ellipses, I want to read the title
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tantek KevinMarks: you could always use MARQUEE ;)
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KevinMarks_ I am so sick of stupid designs that pretend all names are short
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KevinMarks_ especially in music players
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tantek KevinMarks sounds like a rant worthy of screenshots and one of your infamous screeds ;)
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KevinMarks_ I was trying to come up wiht a layout solution
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KevinMarks_ http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/stop-pretending-everything-has-a-short-name-designers
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indie-visitor #francophone
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aaronpk a friend of mine posted a good mockup... let me find it
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/verosoraptor/status/611997704500199424
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@verosoraptor https://twitter.com/verosoraptor/status/611997704500199424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/611997704500199424)
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tantek aaronpk - nice
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tantek I like the way the Swarm app shrinks the font size as you type more text into a checkin comment box
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aaronpk yeah!
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voxpelli just published two new indieweb node modules that's part of a Micropub endpoint I'm building
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voxpelli one for formatting a Microformat JSON structure into something not so JSON:y (currently a Jekyll post): https://github.com/voxpelli/node-format-microformat
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voxpelli and another that's a built and ready Micropub endpoint one can plug into ones Express Node.js app: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express
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voxpelli both very early versions
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aaronpk voxpelli++
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aaronpk sweet! are you planning on supporting both form-encoded and json micropub requests?
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KevinMarks_ trying to make text fit the width of the element is really hard
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voxpelli aaronpk: I think so, currently I've only focused on the form-encoded one, but I'm transforming them into JSON representation within the endpoint module so support for JSON requests should be more or less free
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aaronpk sweet
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voxpelli it currently works with Quill – so I can publish Jekyll posts to my GitHub Pages blog from Quill
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk tantek: darnit now I want hovercards for all my links too!
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tantek Inception complete. (BWOOOOONGGGGG)
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aaronpk i wonder if i can do that somehow by adding a single script tag to my site
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KevinMarks_ now you're getting ahead of me
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tantek what is a hovercard?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/hovercard
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KevinMarks_ I was doing an unmung hovercard maker
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aaronpk and on hover, have it ping an endpoint somewhere that returns a hovercard if it can make one
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tantek whoa old page!
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aaronpk hm there are some good hovercard.TLD domains available
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reidab other implementation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Hovercards
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KevinMarks_ previously: http://pageaspreview.herokuapp.com/
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aaronpk hah!
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aaronpk that actually might work reasonably well with responsive design being a priority
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KevinMarks_ it looks extra good on high dpi screens too
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tantek ok updated /hovercard a bit, feel free to add more!
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KevinMarks_ (I did pick responsive examples)
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tantek ooh I think I know how we could easily markup hovercards in-content instead of having to JS them in
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tantek with h-cite
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tantek at least for things like books, movies, tv shows
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tantek and then you could have the normal in-line minimal display of such things, as well as the :hover display that could show them that other information
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tantek to do things like insert more links (e.g. if the hovercard had more links to things), you'd need JS, not just CSS
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aaronpk i don't think i actually want to have the markup inline
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aaronpk more work for me
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tantek indeed - it's a tradeoff for sure
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tantek XHRing the hovercard on demand would be more efficient for first page load
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KevinMarks_ Ben's tweet embed technique is worth studying
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tantek KevinMarks: he is here in the channel btw: benward :)
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tantek back on custom post style
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tantek aaronpk, re: shouldn't the custom <style> just be included as part of the e-content - well no, not if you're using *p-content*
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tantek e.g. my rainbow styling post is a *note* using p-content
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aaronpk but your rainbow styling doesn't apply to the post content
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tantek it's going to - that's my point
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aaronpk how? what will it look like?
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tantek I'm going to switch it from being global on my site / posts to just be that post only
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tantek on the post permalink it will affect the whole post, which is the whole page
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aaronpk what will it look like in list views?
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tantek and if I get scoped style working, then it *should* affect only the "box" of the post in-stream on my home page
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tantek seriously if I get this working I think it will look very cool :)
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tantek so that's the reason to explicitly markup e-x-style and look for it in a reader - so that even notes with "just" p-content can get custom styling
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aaronpk that's another reason
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tantek yes, I stand corrected. another reason. :)
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aaronpk i think the reason mentioned earlier makes a lot of sense as well, even for html content
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tantek feels like everytime he says "I stand corrected." he should actually stand up.
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tantek yes. we should capture both in /custom_post_style#Why
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KevinMarks_ I love this, talking of previews http://pagesfromceefax.net
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aaronpk not sure how to capture those
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aaronpk also i feel like there are two different kinds of custom post styles. styles that apply to contents of the post vs styles that apply to the stuff around/behind the post
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tantek aaronpk - we can capture them as "Use Cases" as a subsection of Why if you like
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aaronpk my dropcaps styles being an example of the former, and tantek's rainbow background an example of the latter
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KevinMarks_ I have a standing desk, so I cna say it accurately
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tantek aaronpk: CSS makes no such distinction
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tantek except in property names, e.g. background vs. color and font-size
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aaronpk well in order to target the background, it will likely need to be done differently for a post permalink vs in a list view
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aaronpk as in, i'm pretty sure with my current HTML I can't write a single CSS rule for both
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KartikPrabhu sometimes I change a whole lot i my custom_post_styles including the logo/button colours
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aaronpk had to change tantek's CSS from targeting the body tag to the html tag
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aaronpk and that of course won't work in a list view
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KevinMarks_ gah, closed my irc client by accident
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tantek aaronpk what if you used <html class="h-entry"> ?
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gRegorLove For PuSH, my atom feed is using https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/ and I want to update it to superfeedr. Do I need to just change the hub in the feed, or do I need to send anything so subscribers know to update? Didn't see anything on the wiki about this.
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tantek for the permalink pages at least
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aaronpk tantek: then I have other problems
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aaronpk ooh maybe not actually, looks like i may have cleaned up some of that
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kylewm gRegorLove: subscribers should poll occasionally to see if the push hub has updated; you could continue to ping both of them for a while to speed this up
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tantek gRegorLove: probably worth capturing as an FAQ: /PuSH#FAQ
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gRegorLove kylewm: Do you mean listing both hubs in the feed? If the feed lists superfeedr but I push to appspot won't that cause problems?
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kylewm according to julien you can list and ping both hubs
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gRegorLove Maybe I'll try updating to superfeedr and pinging both, see what appspot does
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gRegorLove How often is Woodwind polling to check the hub?
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kylewm 1x/day if the feed does push and has been successfully subscribed
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@e2b @lmprht → are already plenty ways, all limited to different platforms with TOS. And what about RSS users? Are silos really better? Indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/615987823112531968)
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kylewm sigh, this didn't work out too well https://adactio.com/journal/9201#comment20116
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dym_cx kylewm: shouldda not put .h-entry on a <body>
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tantek why?
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dym_cx looks, like abdacto-s site scraped all in .h-entry
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tantek odd, there shouldn't be any scraping happening, only parsing
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dym_cx s/abdacto/adactio/
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Loqi dym_cx meant to say: looks, like adactio-s site scraped all in .h-entry
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tantek URL?
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aaronpk this is probably the implied p-name problem
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kylewm no, it was supposed to be a like
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kylewm there shouldn't be any text at all, it should just be interpreted as a like, like the other ones at the bottom
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aaronpk but if you don't put a name, the parser implies one
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://kylewm.com/2015/06/like-of-jeremy-keith-100-words-100
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kylewm sure, but why should it use the name at all?
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tantek kylewm - exactly
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tantek perhaps something to be clarified on /likes
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aaronpk oh yeah, if adactio is consuming the like properly. but it needs a better fallback for consumers that don't handle like
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tantek that's what p-summary is for
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tantek I believe kylewm and I resolved this in IRC a while ago, specifically regarding RSVP responses, but applicable to any /response
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kylewm is jeremy's code open source?
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kylewm i changed p-name to "likes this." and it interpreted it as a like...
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kylewm mostly I wanted to get my dumb looking comment off the top of an important post on a high traffic blog :)
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tantek heh
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@t Wanting to keep CSS Pride bg live on its post, asked #indiewebcamp; two have per post styling: https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style (ttk.me t4bw2) (twitter.com/_/status/616017057302364160)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: what do you think of having /customized_posts as one page with /custom_post_style and /custom_post_scripts as sections ?
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tantek I think they're pretty different
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tantek just like different h-entry properties are different
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tantek and frankly, in terms of reader recommendations
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KartikPrabhu ok cool
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tantek to do scoped style, where as scoped script doesn't work like that.
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tantek I mean - if there even is scoped script
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KartikPrabhu "there is scoped style" is also dubious with lot less support
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tantek scoped style is declaratively containable, whereas script is not
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KartikPrabhu also what I do with custom_post_style is not "scoped" in any sense
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tantek it is - to that post
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KartikPrabhu not to the h-entry
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tantek do you display your articles ever in a list?
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KartikPrabhu yes.
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tantek h-entry is just the plumbing for the post
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KartikPrabhu tantek: well in that sense I can scope scripts to a post by only including them on the post permalink pag
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GWG I'm working on content creation tonight
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GWG Part 4 of my continuing series.
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tantek KartikPrabhu sure - hence I suggested a separate /custom_post_script page
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KartikPrabhu aah ok I see :)
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GWG I mention this because people too often forget to talk about writing stuff
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KartikPrabhu what is custom_post_script?
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tantek IF there are any real world examples or real world interest / itches
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "custom_post_script" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=custom_post_script&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-30%2Fline%2F1435707887316
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KartikPrabhu tantek: i have a few examples already
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tantek GWG, no it's not forgotten. see /create
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you publish per post scripts already ?!?
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GWG tantek: I meant, we talk about how we are building tools for our sites in here, but don't mention when we are posting content on them as much
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yup! see: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/life
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KartikPrabhu with JS on :P
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tantek of course ;)
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tantek GWG - interesting - I see it as a good mix
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KartikPrabhu tantek: a more practical exmaple is https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/euclids-space where I use MathJax to convert Latex equations to MathML or HTML+CSS rendering
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GWG tantek: I'll be watching over the next week. I'm curious to see if I change my impression
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tantek KartikPrabhu: very good - definitely link to practical examples!
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Jeena aaronpk, is today a Homebrew Website Club Meetup in Portland?
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tantek alright, I'm going to try implementing e-x-style and <style scoped> later tonight, shoudl be doable, and hoping to provide an example for aaronpk /Monocle to parse and display
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tantek Jeena - tomorrow - but we need a venue in PDX
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Jeena I see, the only bad thing about the place we've been last time was the quite bad wifi connection