#indiewebcamp 2015-07-01

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tantek Jeena - if you can coordinate with bret - go ahead and pick a venue for PDX and add it to the wiki - announce here etc! (both aaronpk and dietrich are out this week) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Jeena ok, I think I can do that, do we have brets website/email address?
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kartikprabhu.com created /custom_post_script (+1388) "prompted by KartikPrabhu https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-30/line/1435707887316" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek ^
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Jeena I'm a bit confused about the date in here http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc but I guess it is just not been updated?
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Jeena or wait
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Jeena oh tomorrow is the 07-01
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KartikPrabhu July 01 is wednesday which is tomorrow
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Jeena ok nevermind
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KartikPrabhu :P
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gRegorLove Jeena: Bret is bret.io
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gRegorLove And bret right here. :)
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KartikPrabhu ok got it!
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+12) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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kylewm rhiaro: is your site in flux?
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Jeena Ok, I just sent bret an email because he seems to be afk, I will update the wiki tonight
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bret hey Jeena just been swamped at work
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bret sorry
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bret Jeena: checking in with mozpdx to see if there is event space
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bret otherwise...
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aaronpk I think I want to try Basecamp next time I can host
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aaronpk i think it has better wifi
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bret aaronpk: can't make it this week?
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aaronpk nope
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bret k
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bret are there good perl downtown or nw bars?
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bret or restruants
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bret backspace closed :[
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bret Jeena: we could car2go it over to the waypost
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aaronpk Tilt is open late
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aaronpk we had the indiewebcamp breakfast there last year
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bret urggg tilt.. its crazy town there at 5/6
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aaronpk oh? i've never been there past like noon
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KevinMarks_ what is side file?
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Loqi The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indiewebcamp.com/side_file
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KevinMarks_ is JSON-LD a sidefile?
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KevinMarks_ or should we add a JSON-LD section to http://microformats.org/wiki/dry
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KevinMarks_ what is json-ld
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Loqi JSON-LD is JSON with "Linked Data" support https://indiewebcamp.com/JSON-LD
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KevinMarks_ OK, who wants to read my post about schema and mf2? http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks++ good post
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Loqi KevinMarks has 122 karma
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aaronpk wants to take care of the php mf2 parser but doesn't have time right now
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aaronpk currently two outstanding PRs to review
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aaronpk maybe this is better for #microformats actually...
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aaronpk suddenly i find myself wanting to use <style scoped> all the time
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aaronpk it's like a less hacky version of inline styles
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@jimgroom New blog post: "Remember the time I photobombed Tim Berners-Lee at IndieWebCamp" http://bavatuesdays.com/remember-the-time-i-photobombed-tim-berners-lee-at-indiewebcamp/ https://twitter.com/jimgroom/status/616085815785947136/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/616085815785947136)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: WAY less hacky. I have known about them for a little bit, still waiting for more browsers to pick them up... but then i didn't know there was a polyfill for it
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tantek bummer about backsapce closing in PDX :( many a good informal indieweb hack session was had there
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Jeena Hm so bret are you there?
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Jeena So since he didn't answer my email, wasn't here yet when I tried to ask and he didn't update the wiki yet I assume I should just chose a venue myself, add it to the wiki and hope for the best?
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Loqi [mention] Jeena posted 'Discuss progress; meet up; make new friends. Are you building your own website? Indie reader? Personal publishing web app? Or some other ...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (/homebrew-website-club-portland)
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+81) "/* URLs */ added portland venue" (view diff)
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Jeena Ok so I just did it, if you're in Portland tomorrow then at least I will be at the Fat Head's Brewerey from 5:30 pm, this is the blog post which I also linked on the wiki https://jeena.net/homebrew-website-club-portland
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Jeena sadly I still am not able to receive rsvps on my website but it hopefully should at least show up as a mention
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Jeena there is also a POSSE event on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/1074229289271298/
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Jeena I hope I didn't do too much wrong, if I did just tell me.
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@jeena If you're in Portland join me tomorrow tor the IndieWebCamp Homebrew Website Club at the Fat Headā€™s Brewery https://jeena.net/homebrew-website-club-portland (twitter.com/_/status/616117371372240900)
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tantek Jeena - great!
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tantek Jeena: could you update the Portland venue under "Where" ? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+2) "no NYC meeting this week" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ after all that scoped style discussion I ended up with custom post css for the schema tabbed thingy I cloned
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KevinMarks_ though I should probably not hotlink it
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KevinMarks_ if we can have scoped style, can we have scoped rels again?
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tantek yeah - that was weird to have to approve an external script
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tantek KevinMarks: nope. scoped style is in HTML5 spec, same spec that scopes rels to document level.
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KevinMarks_ the jquery one is preapproved with noscript
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KevinMarks_ you saw https://thehackerblog.com/the-noscript-misnomer-why-should-i-trust-vjs-zendcdn-net/
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KevinMarks_ the other thing I see with http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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KevinMarks_ is that there are better pretty printing choices for json than the one unmung uses http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html#will%20be%20consistent%20across%20parsers%20in%20different%20languages.
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cweiske KevinMarks, the tabs show a text cursor, not a normal clickable cursor
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KevinMarks_ hm, I may be inheriting some odd script form schema
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KevinMarks_ I should take mf2j out, it isn't making properties lists
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+46) "/* Where */ added portland" (view diff)
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Loqi [bridgy] Robin Taylor favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style (https://twitter.com/t/status/616017057302364160)
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rhiaro !tell kylewm: my site has bugs, but should be stable at the moment ....why?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks_ @rhiaro did you see http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html ?
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rhiaro KevinMarks_ I just read it
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KevinMarks_ danbri just asked a good question: https://twitter.com/danbri/status/616171552418201601
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@danbri @kevinmarks which feels most MF-y? 1. MF vocab terms in json-ld syntax or 2. MF-2 syntax encoding eg http://schema.org terms? (twitter.com/_/status/616171552418201601)
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rhiaro I can't believe the schema.org examples are so broken. Well, I can.
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rhiaro I haven't looked at it in any detail because last time I did the particular set of terms I thought I might want to use made no sense and seemed totally arbitrary, so now I just cover my ears and look away when people talk about it
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/616177292432179200
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@kevinmarks @danbri they feel wrong in different ways. json-ld is the latest in the rdfxml, n3, turtle iteration; munging out JSON is not exciting (twitter.com/_/status/616177292432179200)
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/616177902720192512
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@kevinmarks @danbri whereas mapping schema vocab to mf2 like I did is a bit more interesting, but reveals the inheritance model doesn't fit well (twitter.com/_/status/616177902720192512)
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rhiaro I'd say mf2 syntax for schema terms 'feels most mf-y'
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rhiaro but mf is flat so it doesn't map well
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KevinMarks_ well, we can map deeply nested objects with a couple of properties each, as I showed, but it feels a bit off
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rhiaro mmhm
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rhiaro oh hey, my site *is* broken
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rhiaro wtf
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rhiaro aha
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rhiaro first of the month
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rhiaro No posts yet
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rhiaro Pagination by month
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rhiaro needs a new plan
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KevinMarks_ write a post!
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rhiaro panics under the pressure
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KevinMarks_ or have a script that posts a "summary of june" post on july 1st etc
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rhiaro tada http://rhiaro.co.uk/
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KevinMarks_ you've been transalting mf2 into triples, so can probably speak to the json-ld mapping end better
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KevinMarks_ hm, I turned your star into a heart in my webmention display
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Loqi [bridgy] Pelle Wessman favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style (https://twitter.com/t/status/616017057302364160)
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rhiaro I've been translating the vocabulary to triples, I haven't been parsing mf into triples
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rhiaro and for my site I go triples->html templates with mf
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rhiaro I've been thinking about going from star to heart
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KevinMarks_ so is twitter
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elf-pavlik KevinMarks_, I consider this statement quite subjective: "Nesting other types inside a property is much more compact than microdata and simpler than RDFa"
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KevinMarks_ airbnb is the harbinger
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elf-pavlik <div class="p-episode h-RadioEpisode"> vs. <div property="episode" typeof="RadioEpisode">
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elf-pavlik one could easily find property and typeof more clear than p- h- u- dt- etc. cramped into class attribute
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rhiaro KevinMarks_: interesting that your like facepiles they link to the person/homepage, not the like post itself. Does everyone do it this way?
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elf-pavlik but one can also see it other way,
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elf-pavlik strongly recommends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime
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KevinMarks_ elf-pavlik: fair - you have to know about p- vs h-
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rhiaro In theory I prefer a thumbs up over start and heart, but eugh facebook
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KevinMarks_ I think the examples webmention.herokuapp.com had to go on were heavily bridgy influenced
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KevinMarks_ where there isn't a good link for a like
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rhiaro oh right
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: Yep, more or less all likes comes from twitter/bridgy and twitter has no permalinks for a like
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KevinMarks_ could add code to distinguish
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voxpelli also ā€“ the facepiles on Twitter itself links to the persons profiles rather than the "like"-activity ā€“ the activity in itself isn't really interesting in the case of a like
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KevinMarks_ <a class="webmention-interaction-presentation" data-url="https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/616063245460201472" title="rektide de la fey liked this 3 hours ago" href="https://twitter.com/rektide"><span><img src="https://twitter.com/rektide/profile_image?size=original">rektide de la fey liked this 3 hours ago</span></a>
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@kevinmarks something I found out is that the JSON-LD is inconsistent, http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html#the%20JSON-LD%20is%20a%20separate%20DRY%20violating%20piece%20of%20data which illustrates a DRY problem https://twitter.com/mfhepp/status/616009299542695936 (twitter.com/_/status/616063245460201472)
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KevinMarks_ <a class="webmention-interaction-presentation" data-url="http://rhiaro.co.uk//2015/07/1435743600" title="Amy Guy liked this 1 minute ago" href="http://rhiaro.co.uk/about#me"><span><img src="http://rhiaro.co.uk/stash/dp.png">Amy Guy liked this 1 minute ago</span></a>
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KevinMarks_ so the data-url is there in the generated markup
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KevinMarks_ could check for it not being twitter?
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: that would be very possible I think, I'll add an issue to do that
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voxpelli but would it ever be interesting to link to the actual like?
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rhiaro technically I can tag my like posts, and I could add other content to them, so potentially the like post could be richer
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rhiaro Also the links are useful for raising general indieweb awareness
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rhiaro and maybe if I decide I don't like something any more, it's convenient for me to get the url on my site to delete the like instead of having to go look for it..
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KevinMarks_ voxpelli: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/1435743600 is a bit more relevant than http://rhiaro.co.uk/about/me.html#me
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rhiaro needs 'profile' information on that page, work ongoing
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rhiaro for most people it would be their homepage, anyway
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rhiaro which would be more useful
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voxpelli yeah, and it's more in line with how existing sites like Facebook, Twitter etc do it
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voxpelli reposts is a trickier one ā€“ there eg. Twitter actually do provide permalinks ā€“ so in the case of a repost I actually link to the tweet
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: Added an issue: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/20
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: oh, I now realized I misunderstood you ā€“ yeah the data appears to be there, I had just forgotten about it :P I would prefer to not make special exceptions for Twitter, I don't think the endpoint should be concerned about where stuff comes from but handle everything equally
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KevinMarks_ well, the problem is that the twitter URL is the syndication URL for the post
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KevinMarks_ so clicking through would just give you a link back to where you are
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rhiaro voxpelli: I'd say if you can find a url for any type of response post use that, if not use the person url
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voxpelli rhiaro: all webmentions has their own url as they need it to send the mention, so there's really no url-less posts, no?
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rhiaro the exception would be the twitter ones
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rhiaro back in a bit
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voxpelli well, it depends on how Brid.gy exposes things ā€“ if Brid.gy wouldn't point it to a tweet then the URL would be the Brid.gy URL
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voxpelli eg. https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/krisshaffer/557733924961804291/14180972 explicitly defines a "u-url"
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KevinMarks_ right, but if the url is also in the like, then that means it isn't the right link
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid-gy.appspot.com%2Flike%2Ftwitter%2Fkrisshaffer%2F557733924961804291%2F14180972&html=&pretty=on
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voxpelli true
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voxpelli Wonder if one could check for "e-content" and if "e-content" is empty, then link to profile ā€“ else link to permalink ā€“ would require change in eg. Brid.gy
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KevinMarks_ just check if u-url is not in u-like-of, and if so use it instead of the author url
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voxpelli well, that just solves the weird metadata of the Brid.gy posts, the real purpose of linking to the author is that often the standalone page of a like itself adds no value
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voxpelli a like is often "contentless"
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voxpelli eg. Quill provides no field for adding any content ā€“ it just asks for a url when posting a like
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KevinMarks_ true
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voxpelli so rather than linking to something contentless I would like to link to the author
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voxpelli marking up a contentless page could perhaps run into the same issue as described at https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-node/issues/22 though ā€“ that when the content is empty the microformat parser will find implied content
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rhiaro Friend was complaining about limitations of slideshare. I suggested he put his slides and notes on his own website, and proceeded to make more detailed suggestions. He started backing away: "I'm going to leave this conversation now", like he should have known better :)
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Zegnat Good afternoon all
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ben_thatmustbeme Good morning all
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petermolnar good morning
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KartikPrabhu rhiaro: i had the same problem when I first did montly pagination. now is just show the last month that has a post :P
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KartikPrabhu needs more coffee. bad spelling
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KevinMarks_ rhiaro: that slides conversation is an example of https://xkcd.com/743/
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zachdonovan good morning!
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voxpelli is there a way for me to log in with Domain A when I want to do Micropub on Domain B?
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: if Domain B supports Indieauth then yes.
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KartikPrabhu oh wait. misread that
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voxpelli my indieweb-identity is based on http://kodfabrik.se/, but now I want to edit another site, but I still want to identify as http://kodfabrik.se/ to get access to that other site rather than setting up a new indieauth identity
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: sounds like what i'm working on with micropub chaining, but that requires you to also post on your site
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: I want to point Domain B and say, hey ā€“ you can authenticate here using Domain A, or just be given a choice in the client to auth with a different domain if the first domain don't have an IndieAuth setup
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ben_thatmustbeme sounds like MP clients would need a second field
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ben_thatmustbeme login to, login as
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KartikPrabhu should be possible with some rel-me stuff but I a not sure if Indieauth does that now
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dym_cx aaronpk: your site does not have atom/rss, right?
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ben_thatmustbeme KartikPrabhu: Indieauth isn't really the problem, its the MP client that you really need to go to a different mp-endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme perhaps having multiple mp-endpoints listed on your site??
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ben_thatmustbeme again, not something you can do currently
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: but the mp-enpoint also should validate tokens and all of that no?
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ben_thatmustbeme KartikPrabhu: if its written correctly, it should do that already
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: yeah, second field actually sounds like the right way to go ā€“ the user itself chooses how it wants to authenticate and the micropub endpoint can chose to accept or deny
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: rel-me would make the site part of my identity, I don't want that, I just want access
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: no I mean how does an mp-endpoint at domain B know to accept tokens generated for domain A as log in?
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: if you want a way to make it work today, you could just swap out where you say your MP-endpoint is on the fly
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ben_thatmustbeme and in theory that should work
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ben_thatmustbeme KartikPrabhu: thats internal to the endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme i specifically check in my code for the token's "me" being = the site url
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: I'm thinking that if a site has a rel-micropub but no rel-token_endpoint, then the client asks with what IndieAuth identity one wants to auth
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: then can I log in and post to your domain B too ? I mean how does domain B know which ones to accept?
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: i don't follow that?
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voxpelli the mp-endpoint then verifies that the final token gives the proper access needed. would also open up for eg. multi-user blogs
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ben_thatmustbeme anyone can TRY to submit to my mp-endpoint now, they can get a token from my site with access to write,
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ben_thatmustbeme but doesn't mean my code will actually trust it
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ben_thatmustbeme there is a difference between getting a token and saying "yes that user has that authorization"
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: my problem right now is that I don't have an IndieAuth-setup where I want to have my Micropub endpoint
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KartikPrabhu yes. so domain B needs to have a list of other domains that have write access
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voxpelli but I could add a Micropub endpoint for my target blog at my IndieAuth setup :P Problem is: I already have one blog added that way
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: domain B verifies tokens with a known token_endpoint and checks the returned "me" against allowed users
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voxpelli as you already said :P
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ben_thatmustbeme this is getting confusing, need to map this out mentally. the issue is getting a token to the MP-client, that B will recognize, but says it is from A
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ben_thatmustbeme working backwards, that means that you can get that if Site B has rel-auth and rel-token links
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ben_thatmustbeme i think it really does come down to having a second login field in mp-clients
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KartikPrabhu it seems as ben_thatmustbeme pointed out mp-clients need 2 fields "log in as" and "post to"
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ben_thatmustbeme alternative is to set up mp-chaining, and get your site to recognize an ability to decide where to post the original content and which one to syndicate to
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voxpelli yep, that seems to be it
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voxpelli the second field only has to be shown if no rel-auth/rel-token is found though ā€“ so probably a two step process
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: how do you figure? the login-to site would NEED to have a rel-auth / rel-token wouldn't it?
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ben_thatmustbeme er, wait
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ben_thatmustbeme my head hurts
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ben_thatmustbeme bidirectionality
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KartikPrabhu someone really needs to make a flow-diagram for this auth stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme didn't someone make one?
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KartikPrabhu what is indieauth?
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Loqi IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: three steps: 1. Enter what site you want to edit 2. Server checks if that sites is just a MP-endpoint or also an Auth-endpoint 3. If not also an Auth-endpoint it asks for a separate Auth-endpoint
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voxpelli First step is always to ask what site one wants to edit, just like today
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ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/auth-brainstorming
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kylewm voxpelli: why are you trying to avoid authorizing for the site you want to post to?
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Loqi kylewm: rhiaro left you a message 6 hours, 17 minutes ago: my site has bugs, but should be stable at the moment ....why? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01/line/1435742192973
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KartikPrabhu there is a diagram here: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol#Authorization_process
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: i can think of a bunch of reasons
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ben_thatmustbeme multiple posters, different login levels, logging in as that site requires a second rel-me-auth and thus probably a second silo user
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ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/File:micropub-flow-diagram.png
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voxpelli +1
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: do you specifically want to post there and not syndicate to there?
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: man that's a very complicated dance move! :P
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kylewm rhiaro: Woodwind was very confused about the date on your IndieWebCamp Edinburgh event, so i was trying to debug but when i went to your homepage it was blank :P
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ben_thatmustbeme also, domain B would be REQUIRED to have a token endpoint, this is how it issues tokens its own MP-endpoint can accept
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rhiaro Kylewm I realised I paginate by month and hadn't posted yet today :)
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rhiaro Could be handled better..
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rhiaro First 1st of the month since I implemented that
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rhiaro What was up with the dates?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "up with the dates" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=up+with+the+dates&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-01%2Fline%2F1435765234473
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rhiaro Shh loqi
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Loqi grins profusely
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kylewm still can't figure it out... the published date is 2015-06-10, but for some reason woodwind keeps putting it back up at the top and saying it's 24 days from now
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rhiaro Does woodwind cache stuff? I might've had the start date as the published date for a while
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rhiaro Pretty sure I fixed it
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kylewm hmm, could be related, i'm not sure. it's supposed to sort things in the order they are retrieved, not by the published date anyway
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kylewm sometimes i'll get a post that keeps popping up because part of the content is computer-generated and changes subtly every time
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rhiaro Huh
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kylewm anyway i'm confident it's nothing you're doing wrong :)
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rhiaro Hah, would'nt be so sure ;)
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rhiaro I've changed my templates a couple of times... But not in the future
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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kylewm delegating auth still doesn't make much sense to me. i wouldn't want to use my facebook profile to authorize an app to post to my twitter
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kylewm although... i guess delegating auth is what indieauth is all about :$
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KevinMarks Is the other way to do this to return the syndication list and include the current site in it, so you can uncheck it and just check the remote site?
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Loqi [bridgy] Brennan Novak favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style (https://twitter.com/t/status/616017057302364160)
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@kevinmarks We do indeed. Come to Homebrew Website Club tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club https://twitter.com/ilyasu/status/616270358006464518 (twitter.com/_/status/616278021259988992)
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Loqi [bridgy] Pius favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/616278021259988992)
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aaronpk good morning!
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aaronpk wow chatty night!
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aaronpk too much scrollback. let me know if there's anything I need to know about :P
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01#t1435763661665
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aaronpk sounds like multi-user blogs
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aaronpk i think there was some other reason someone wanted to list multiple micropub endpoints on their domain
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aaronpk and have the micropub client let them choose which one to use
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aaronpk this is possibly another reason
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aaronpk but for the multi-user blog example, i wouldn't actually want to list the blog's micropub endpoint on my site (imagine posting to a company blog for example)
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: i had the same idea, but you have to define which site is the primary site, then which sites to syndicate to, seemed like a bit more work
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, that might not be a bad idea though, be able to switch endpoints after you auth to your site
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ben_thatmustbeme no, wait, the target site wouldn't have your code then, N/M that
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bret Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 11 karma
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bret Jeena++
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Jeena wohoo!
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KevinMarks_ so if I want to replace the tab thingy I lifted from the schema.org docs site, is there a more semantic alternative?
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GWG Good afternoon
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@ken_bauer Iā€™ve discussed this with @erinjo @benwerd of @withknown Important to support good #indieweb projects @anildash @thinkup @ginatrapani (twitter.com/_/status/616311531144376320)
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@WendyNealy RT @LifeHealthDiary: #ownyourdata We're behind you! https://twitter.com/actmd/status/616320513607139328 (twitter.com/_/status/616335784480780288)
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@kevinmarks @egypturnash http://indiewebcamp.com is there to help (twitter.com/_/status/616346127353319424)
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Loqi [bridgy] Saucy Butterpants replied '@kevinmarks I already have a self-hosted WP site with lotsa social plugins and stuff. Iā€™m just thinking of touching up the visuals a bit.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/egypturnash/status/616348765205565441)
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GWG Saucy Butterpants? Interesting handle
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tantek definitely a good opportunity for the WordPress Outreach Team!
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GWG I thought we were a club?
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GWG We stopped being a committee for connotation reasons
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@dshanske @egypturnash If you need help adding some #indieweb elements to the site, happy to help. (twitter.com/_/status/616353784151834624)
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Loqi [bridgy] David Shanske replied '@egypturnash If you need help adding some #indieweb elements to the site, happy to help.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/dshanske/status/616353784151834624)
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bjorn- Gah, I wish there was a movement around Quantified Self-data to help users own their own data as well as the POSSE usage so you can post to all the different services since all your friends are on different ones.
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bjorn- Anyone know of any initiative like that?
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KevinMarks_ aaronpk does some fo that
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tantek bjorn- what are metrics?
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Loqi exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/metrics
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Loqi [bridgy] David Shanske replied '@egypturnash That is only one-way.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/dshanske/status/616360937075965956)
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tantek !tell bjorn- see https://indiewebcamp.com/exercise re: " movement around Quantified Self-data to help users own their own data"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek KevinMarks_: better to refer people to a wiki page URL with multiple examples, citations, description, than just another user here in the channel - re: "aaronpk does some fo that"
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Loqi [bridgy] Saucy Butterpants replied '@dshanske Ahhhh.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/egypturnash/status/616361401590743040)
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tantek two years since the shutdown of Google Reader
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_script looks good. Cross-linked it with custom post style.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: nice de-duping of bridgy backfeed and indieweb reply here: https://kylewm.com/2015/06/i-wonder-how-much-this-conversation-is-annoying-kartikprabhu
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 25 minutes ago: https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_script looks good. Cross-linked it with custom post style. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01/line/1435789254362
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KartikPrabhu neat!
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tantek whoa - nice de-duping kylewm !
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tantek kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 186 karma
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tantek what is deduping?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "deduping" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=deduping&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-01%2Fline%2F1435790897745
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tantek really?
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tantek deduping is https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention#de-duplication
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Loqi ok
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tantek hmm that should have made a redirect
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tantek Loqi :/
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tantek kylewm is that the first indieweb cross-site comment de-duplication?!?
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@t 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1) (twitter.com/_/status/616386559877713920)
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tantek that should hopefully spur some thoughts
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@njudah RT @t: 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1) (twitter.com/_/status/616386766933655552)
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Loqi [bridgy] Paul Harvey replied '@t I don't miss it. I had started using Feedly before GR died, and I still use it to this day.' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/paulrharvey3/status/616387817577574400)
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Loqi [bridgy] Greg Dewar retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/njudah/status/616386766933655552)
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tantek neat - all the replies will get archived here thanks to Bridgy
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GWG tantek: I self host a TT-RSS installation.
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bret i miss it, but feedbin + pinboard is a decent replacement for now
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bret endless streams of data is a huge distraction to me... hours of time I could have worked on something.... just hitting jjjjj
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bret distractionnnnn is a growing issue i think
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tantek agreed - I've stopped regularly reading any kind of reader aggregation / news feed
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tantek never check FB news feed, very occasionally (like I know I'm time-constrained) check Twitter home page
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tantek mostly I read topical channels (like this one)
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@kylewmahan RT @t: 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1) (twitter.com/_/status/616391432035659776)
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@codebear RT @t: 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1) (twitter.com/_/status/616391545755975680)
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bret there is value to having an internet dragnet though, keeping tabs on general direction of different projects
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Loqi [bridgy] Kylo Riley retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/616391432035659776)
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Loqi [bridgy] codebear retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/codebear/status/616391545755975680)
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