#indiewebcamp 2015-07-01

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tantek
Jeena - if you can coordinate with bret - go ahead and pick a venue for PDX and add it to the wiki - announce here etc! (both aaronpk and dietrich are out this week) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Jeena
ok, I think I can do that, do we have brets website/email address?
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Jeena
I'm a bit confused about the date in here http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc but I guess it is just not been updated?
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Jeena
or wait
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Jeena
oh tomorrow is the 07-01
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KartikPrabhu
July 01 is wednesday which is tomorrow
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Jeena
ok nevermind
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gRegorLove
Jeena: Bret is bret.io
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gRegorLove
And bret right here. :)
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KartikPrabhu
ok got it!
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kylewm
rhiaro: is your site in flux?
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Jeena
Ok, I just sent bret an email because he seems to be afk, I will update the wiki tonight
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bret
hey Jeena just been swamped at work
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bret
sorry
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bret
Jeena: checking in with mozpdx to see if there is event space
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bret
otherwise...
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aaronpk
I think I want to try Basecamp next time I can host
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aaronpk
i think it has better wifi
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bret
aaronpk: can't make it this week?
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bret
are there good perl downtown or nw bars?
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bret
or restruants
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bret
backspace closed :[
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bret
Jeena: we could car2go it over to the waypost
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aaronpk
Tilt is open late
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aaronpk
we had the indiewebcamp breakfast there last year
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bret
urggg tilt.. its crazy town there at 5/6
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aaronpk
oh? i've never been there past like noon
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KevinMarks_
what is side file?
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Loqi
The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indiewebcamp.com/side_file
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KevinMarks_
is JSON-LD a sidefile?
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KevinMarks_
or should we add a JSON-LD section to http://microformats.org/wiki/dry
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KevinMarks_
what is json-ld
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Loqi
JSON-LD is JSON with "Linked Data" support https://indiewebcamp.com/JSON-LD
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KevinMarks_
OK, who wants to read my post about schema and mf2? http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks++ good post
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 122 karma
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aaronpk
wants to take care of the php mf2 parser but doesn't have time right now
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aaronpk
currently two outstanding PRs to review
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aaronpk
maybe this is better for #microformats actually...
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aaronpk
suddenly i find myself wanting to use <style scoped> all the time
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aaronpk
it's like a less hacky version of inline styles
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: WAY less hacky. I have known about them for a little bit, still waiting for more browsers to pick them up... but then i didn't know there was a polyfill for it
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tantek
bummer about backsapce closing in PDX :( many a good informal indieweb hack session was had there
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Jeena
Hm so bret are you there?
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Jeena
So since he didn't answer my email, wasn't here yet when I tried to ask and he didn't update the wiki yet I assume I should just chose a venue myself, add it to the wiki and hope for the best?
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Loqi
[mention] Jeena posted 'Discuss progress; meet up; make new friends. Are you building your own website? Indie reader? Personal publishing web app? Or some other ...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (/homebrew-website-club-portland)
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jeena.net
edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+81) "/* URLs */ added portland venue"
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Jeena
Ok so I just did it, if you're in Portland tomorrow then at least I will be at the Fat Head's Brewerey from 5:30 pm, this is the blog post which I also linked on the wiki https://jeena.net/homebrew-website-club-portland
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Jeena
sadly I still am not able to receive rsvps on my website but it hopefully should at least show up as a mention
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Jeena
there is also a POSSE event on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/1074229289271298/
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Jeena
I hope I didn't do too much wrong, if I did just tell me.
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@jeena
If you're in Portland join me tomorrow tor the IndieWebCamp Homebrew Website Club at the Fat Head’s Brewery https://jeena.net/homebrew-website-club-portland
(twitter.com/_/status/616117371372240900)
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tantek
Jeena - great!
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tantek
Jeena: could you update the Portland venue under "Where" ? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+2) "no NYC meeting this week"
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KevinMarks_
after all that scoped style discussion I ended up with custom post css for the schema tabbed thingy I cloned
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KevinMarks_
though I should probably not hotlink it
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KevinMarks_
if we can have scoped style, can we have scoped rels again?
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tantek
yeah - that was weird to have to approve an external script
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tantek
KevinMarks: nope. scoped style is in HTML5 spec, same spec that scopes rels to document level.
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KevinMarks_
the jquery one is preapproved with noscript
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cweiske
KevinMarks, the tabs show a text cursor, not a normal clickable cursor
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KevinMarks_
hm, I may be inheriting some odd script form schema
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KevinMarks_
I should take mf2j out, it isn't making properties lists
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jeena.net
edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+46) "/* Where */ added portland"
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rhiaro
!tell kylewm: my site has bugs, but should be stable at the moment ....why?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro
KevinMarks_ I just read it
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@danbri
@kevinmarks which feels most MF-y? 1. MF vocab terms in json-ld syntax or 2. MF-2 syntax encoding eg http://schema.org terms?
(twitter.com/_/status/616171552418201601)
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rhiaro
I can't believe the schema.org examples are so broken. Well, I can.
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rhiaro
I haven't looked at it in any detail because last time I did the particular set of terms I thought I might want to use made no sense and seemed totally arbitrary, so now I just cover my ears and look away when people talk about it
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@kevinmarks
@danbri they feel wrong in different ways. json-ld is the latest in the rdfxml, n3, turtle iteration; munging out JSON is not exciting
(twitter.com/_/status/616177292432179200)
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@kevinmarks
@danbri whereas mapping schema vocab to mf2 like I did is a bit more interesting, but reveals the inheritance model doesn't fit well
(twitter.com/_/status/616177902720192512)
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rhiaro
I'd say mf2 syntax for schema terms 'feels most mf-y'
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rhiaro
but mf is flat so it doesn't map well
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KevinMarks_
well, we can map deeply nested objects with a couple of properties each, as I showed, but it feels a bit off
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rhiaro
oh hey, my site *is* broken
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rhiaro
first of the month
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rhiaro
No posts yet
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rhiaro
Pagination by month
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rhiaro
needs a new plan
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KevinMarks_
write a post!
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rhiaro
panics under the pressure
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KevinMarks_
or have a script that posts a "summary of june" post on july 1st etc
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KevinMarks_
you've been transalting mf2 into triples, so can probably speak to the json-ld mapping end better
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KevinMarks_
hm, I turned your star into a heart in my webmention display
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rhiaro
I've been translating the vocabulary to triples, I haven't been parsing mf into triples
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rhiaro
and for my site I go triples->html templates with mf
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rhiaro
I've been thinking about going from star to heart
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KevinMarks_
so is twitter
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elf-pavlik
KevinMarks_, I consider this statement quite subjective: "Nesting other types inside a property is much more compact than microdata and simpler than RDFa"
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KevinMarks_
airbnb is the harbinger
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elf-pavlik
<div class="p-episode h-RadioEpisode"> vs. <div property="episode" typeof="RadioEpisode">
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elf-pavlik
one could easily find property and typeof more clear than p- h- u- dt- etc. cramped into class attribute
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rhiaro
KevinMarks_: interesting that your like facepiles they link to the person/homepage, not the like post itself. Does everyone do it this way?
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elf-pavlik
but one can also see it other way,
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elf-pavlik
strongly recommends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime
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KevinMarks_
elf-pavlik: fair - you have to know about p- vs h-
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rhiaro
In theory I prefer a thumbs up over start and heart, but eugh facebook
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KevinMarks_
I think the examples webmention.herokuapp.com had to go on were heavily bridgy influenced
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KevinMarks_
where there isn't a good link for a like
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rhiaro
oh right
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voxpelli
KevinMarks_: Yep, more or less all likes comes from twitter/bridgy and twitter has no permalinks for a like
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KevinMarks_
could add code to distinguish
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voxpelli
also – the facepiles on Twitter itself links to the persons profiles rather than the "like"-activity – the activity in itself isn't really interesting in the case of a like
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KevinMarks_
<a class="webmention-interaction-presentation" data-url="https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/616063245460201472" title="rektide de la fey liked this 3 hours ago" href="https://twitter.com/rektide"><span><img src="https://twitter.com/rektide/profile_image?size=original">rektide de la fey liked this 3 hours ago</span></a>
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KevinMarks_
<a class="webmention-interaction-presentation" data-url="http://rhiaro.co.uk//2015/07/1435743600" title="Amy Guy liked this 1 minute ago" href="http://rhiaro.co.uk/about#me"><span><img src="http://rhiaro.co.uk/stash/dp.png">Amy Guy liked this 1 minute ago</span></a>
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KevinMarks_
so the data-url is there in the generated markup
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KevinMarks_
could check for it not being twitter?
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voxpelli
KevinMarks_: that would be very possible I think, I'll add an issue to do that
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voxpelli
but would it ever be interesting to link to the actual like?
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rhiaro
technically I can tag my like posts, and I could add other content to them, so potentially the like post could be richer
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rhiaro
Also the links are useful for raising general indieweb awareness
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rhiaro
and maybe if I decide I don't like something any more, it's convenient for me to get the url on my site to delete the like instead of having to go look for it..
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rhiaro
needs 'profile' information on that page, work ongoing
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rhiaro
for most people it would be their homepage, anyway
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rhiaro
which would be more useful
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voxpelli
yeah, and it's more in line with how existing sites like Facebook, Twitter etc do it
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voxpelli
reposts is a trickier one – there eg. Twitter actually do provide permalinks – so in the case of a repost I actually link to the tweet
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voxpelli
KevinMarks_: oh, I now realized I misunderstood you – yeah the data appears to be there, I had just forgotten about it :P I would prefer to not make special exceptions for Twitter, I don't think the endpoint should be concerned about where stuff comes from but handle everything equally
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KevinMarks_
well, the problem is that the twitter URL is the syndication URL for the post
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KevinMarks_
so clicking through would just give you a link back to where you are
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rhiaro
voxpelli: I'd say if you can find a url for any type of response post use that, if not use the person url
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voxpelli
rhiaro: all webmentions has their own url as they need it to send the mention, so there's really no url-less posts, no?
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rhiaro
the exception would be the twitter ones
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rhiaro
back in a bit
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voxpelli
well, it depends on how Brid.gy exposes things – if Brid.gy wouldn't point it to a tweet then the URL would be the Brid.gy URL
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KevinMarks_
right, but if the url is also in the like, then that means it isn't the right link
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voxpelli
Wonder if one could check for "e-content" and if "e-content" is empty, then link to profile – else link to permalink – would require change in eg. Brid.gy
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KevinMarks_
just check if u-url is not in u-like-of, and if so use it instead of the author url
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voxpelli
well, that just solves the weird metadata of the Brid.gy posts, the real purpose of linking to the author is that often the standalone page of a like itself adds no value
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voxpelli
a like is often "contentless"
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voxpelli
eg. Quill provides no field for adding any content – it just asks for a url when posting a like
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voxpelli
so rather than linking to something contentless I would like to link to the author
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voxpelli
marking up a contentless page could perhaps run into the same issue as described at https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-node/issues/22 though – that when the content is empty the microformat parser will find implied content
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rhiaro
Friend was complaining about limitations of slideshare. I suggested he put his slides and notes on his own website, and proceeded to make more detailed suggestions. He started backing away: "I'm going to leave this conversation now", like he should have known better :)
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Zegnat
Good afternoon all
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ben_thatmustbeme
Good morning all
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petermolnar
good morning
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KartikPrabhu
rhiaro: i had the same problem when I first did montly pagination. now is just show the last month that has a post :P
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KartikPrabhu
needs more coffee. bad spelling
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KevinMarks_
rhiaro: that slides conversation is an example of https://xkcd.com/743/
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zachdonovan
good morning!
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voxpelli
is there a way for me to log in with Domain A when I want to do Micropub on Domain B?
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KartikPrabhu
voxpelli: if Domain B supports Indieauth then yes.
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KartikPrabhu
oh wait. misread that
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voxpelli
my indieweb-identity is based on http://kodfabrik.se/, but now I want to edit another site, but I still want to identify as http://kodfabrik.se/ to get access to that other site rather than setting up a new indieauth identity
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ben_thatmustbeme
voxpelli: sounds like what i'm working on with micropub chaining, but that requires you to also post on your site
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: I want to point Domain B and say, hey – you can authenticate here using Domain A, or just be given a choice in the client to auth with a different domain if the first domain don't have an IndieAuth setup
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ben_thatmustbeme
sounds like MP clients would need a second field
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ben_thatmustbeme
login to, login as
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KartikPrabhu
should be possible with some rel-me stuff but I a not sure if Indieauth does that now
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dym_cx
aaronpk: your site does not have atom/rss, right?
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ben_thatmustbeme
KartikPrabhu: Indieauth isn't really the problem, its the MP client that you really need to go to a different mp-endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme
perhaps having multiple mp-endpoints listed on your site??
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ben_thatmustbeme
again, not something you can do currently
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: but the mp-enpoint also should validate tokens and all of that no?
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ben_thatmustbeme
KartikPrabhu: if its written correctly, it should do that already
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voxpelli
ben_thatmustbeme: yeah, second field actually sounds like the right way to go – the user itself chooses how it wants to authenticate and the micropub endpoint can chose to accept or deny
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: rel-me would make the site part of my identity, I don't want that, I just want access
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: no I mean how does an mp-endpoint at domain B know to accept tokens generated for domain A as log in?
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ben_thatmustbeme
voxpelli: if you want a way to make it work today, you could just swap out where you say your MP-endpoint is on the fly
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ben_thatmustbeme
and in theory that should work
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ben_thatmustbeme
KartikPrabhu: thats internal to the endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme
i specifically check in my code for the token's "me" being = the site url
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voxpelli
ben_thatmustbeme: I'm thinking that if a site has a rel-micropub but no rel-token_endpoint, then the client asks with what IndieAuth identity one wants to auth
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KartikPrabhu
voxpelli: then can I log in and post to your domain B too ? I mean how does domain B know which ones to accept?
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ben_thatmustbeme
voxpelli: i don't follow that?
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voxpelli
the mp-endpoint then verifies that the final token gives the proper access needed. would also open up for eg. multi-user blogs
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ben_thatmustbeme
anyone can TRY to submit to my mp-endpoint now, they can get a token from my site with access to write,
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ben_thatmustbeme
but doesn't mean my code will actually trust it
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ben_thatmustbeme
there is a difference between getting a token and saying "yes that user has that authorization"
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voxpelli
ben_thatmustbeme: my problem right now is that I don't have an IndieAuth-setup where I want to have my Micropub endpoint
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KartikPrabhu
yes. so domain B needs to have a list of other domains that have write access
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voxpelli
but I could add a Micropub endpoint for my target blog at my IndieAuth setup :P Problem is: I already have one blog added that way
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: domain B verifies tokens with a known token_endpoint and checks the returned "me" against allowed users
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voxpelli
as you already said :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
this is getting confusing, need to map this out mentally. the issue is getting a token to the MP-client, that B will recognize, but says it is from A
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ben_thatmustbeme
working backwards, that means that you can get that if Site B has rel-auth and rel-token links
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think it really does come down to having a second login field in mp-clients
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KartikPrabhu
it seems as ben_thatmustbeme pointed out mp-clients need 2 fields "log in as" and "post to"
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ben_thatmustbeme
alternative is to set up mp-chaining, and get your site to recognize an ability to decide where to post the original content and which one to syndicate to
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voxpelli
yep, that seems to be it
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voxpelli
the second field only has to be shown if no rel-auth/rel-token is found though – so probably a two step process
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ben_thatmustbeme
voxpelli: how do you figure? the login-to site would NEED to have a rel-auth / rel-token wouldn't it?
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ben_thatmustbeme
my head hurts
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ben_thatmustbeme
bidirectionality
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KartikPrabhu
someone really needs to make a flow-diagram for this auth stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme
didn't someone make one?
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KartikPrabhu
what is indieauth?
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Loqi
IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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voxpelli
ben_thatmustbeme: three steps: 1. Enter what site you want to edit 2. Server checks if that sites is just a MP-endpoint or also an Auth-endpoint 3. If not also an Auth-endpoint it asks for a separate Auth-endpoint
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voxpelli
First step is always to ask what site one wants to edit, just like today
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kylewm
voxpelli: why are you trying to avoid authorizing for the site you want to post to?
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Loqi
kylewm: rhiaro left you a message 6 hours, 17 minutes ago: my site has bugs, but should be stable at the moment ....why? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01/line/1435742192973
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm: i can think of a bunch of reasons
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ben_thatmustbeme
multiple posters, different login levels, logging in as that site requires a second rel-me-auth and thus probably a second silo user
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ben_thatmustbeme
voxpelli: do you specifically want to post there and not syndicate to there?
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: man that's a very complicated dance move! :P
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kylewm
rhiaro: Woodwind was very confused about the date on your IndieWebCamp Edinburgh event, so i was trying to debug but when i went to your homepage it was blank :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, domain B would be REQUIRED to have a token endpoint, this is how it issues tokens its own MP-endpoint can accept
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rhiaro
Kylewm I realised I paginate by month and hadn't posted yet today :)
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rhiaro
Could be handled better..
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rhiaro
First 1st of the month since I implemented that
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rhiaro
What was up with the dates?
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rhiaro
Shh loqi
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Loqi
grins profusely
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kylewm
still can't figure it out... the published date is 2015-06-10, but for some reason woodwind keeps putting it back up at the top and saying it's 24 days from now
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rhiaro
Does woodwind cache stuff? I might've had the start date as the published date for a while
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rhiaro
Pretty sure I fixed it
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kylewm
hmm, could be related, i'm not sure. it's supposed to sort things in the order they are retrieved, not by the published date anyway
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kylewm
sometimes i'll get a post that keeps popping up because part of the content is computer-generated and changes subtly every time
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kylewm
anyway i'm confident it's nothing you're doing wrong :)
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rhiaro
Hah, would'nt be so sure ;)
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rhiaro
I've changed my templates a couple of times... But not in the future
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jeena.net
edited /2015/Guest_List (+212) "/* Participating */ Jeena"
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jeena.net
edited /2015/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participating */ updatet spots remaining"
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gRegorLove
Morning, indiewebcamp
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kylewm
delegating auth still doesn't make much sense to me. i wouldn't want to use my facebook profile to authorize an app to post to my twitter
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kylewm
although... i guess delegating auth is what indieauth is all about :$
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KevinMarks
Is the other way to do this to return the syndication list and include the current site in it, so you can uncheck it and just check the remote site?
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aaronpk
good morning!
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aaronpk
wow chatty night!
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aaronpk
too much scrollback. let me know if there's anything I need to know about :P
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aaronpk
sounds like multi-user blogs
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aaronpk
i think there was some other reason someone wanted to list multiple micropub endpoints on their domain
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aaronpk
and have the micropub client let them choose which one to use
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aaronpk
this is possibly another reason
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aaronpk
but for the multi-user blog example, i wouldn't actually want to list the blog's micropub endpoint on my site (imagine posting to a company blog for example)
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks: i had the same idea, but you have to define which site is the primary site, then which sites to syndicate to, seemed like a bit more work
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually, that might not be a bad idea though, be able to switch endpoints after you auth to your site
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ben_thatmustbeme
no, wait, the target site wouldn't have your code then, N/M that
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bret
Jeena++
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Loqi
Jeena has 11 karma
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bret
Jeena++
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Jeena
wohoo!
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KevinMarks_
so if I want to replace the tab thingy I lifted from the schema.org docs site, is there a more semantic alternative?
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loqi.me
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GWG
Good afternoon
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@ken_bauer
I’ve discussed this with @erinjo @benwerd of @withknown Important to support good #indieweb projects @anildash @thinkup @ginatrapani
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bear.im
edited /sv (+31) "tweak dfn"
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tantek.com
edited /custom_post_style (-23) "/* Tantek */ no enclosing div for a custom style, it only applies to its immediate parent"
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Loqi
[bridgy] Saucy Butterpants replied '@kevinmarks I already have a self-hosted WP site with lotsa social plugins and stuff. I’m just thinking of touching up the visuals a bit.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/egypturnash/status/616348765205565441)
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GWG
Saucy Butterpants? Interesting handle
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tantek
definitely a good opportunity for the WordPress Outreach Team!
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GWG
I thought we were a club?
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GWG
We stopped being a committee for connotation reasons
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loqi.me
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@dshanske
@egypturnash If you need help adding some #indieweb elements to the site, happy to help.
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Loqi
[bridgy] David Shanske replied '@egypturnash If you need help adding some #indieweb elements to the site, happy to help.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/dshanske/status/616353784151834624)
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bjorn-
Gah, I wish there was a movement around Quantified Self-data to help users own their own data as well as the POSSE usage so you can post to all the different services since all your friends are on different ones.
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bjorn-
Anyone know of any initiative like that?
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KevinMarks_
aaronpk does some fo that
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tantek.com
edited /Google (+150) "note shutdown dates of Social Graph API with citation, Google Reader"
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tantek
bjorn- what are metrics?
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Loqi
exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/metrics
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Loqi
[bridgy] David Shanske replied '@egypturnash That is only one-way.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/dshanske/status/616360937075965956)
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tantek
!tell bjorn- see https://indiewebcamp.com/exercise re: " movement around Quantified Self-data to help users own their own data"
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
KevinMarks_: better to refer people to a wiki page URL with multiple examples, citations, description, than just another user here in the channel - re: "aaronpk does some fo that"
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tantek
two years since the shutdown of Google Reader
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tantek.com
edited /site-deaths (+318) "/* 2013 */ Google Reader - how did we miss this here? with citations and precise date"
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tantek.com
edited /site-deaths (+5) "/* Google Reader */ linky"
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tantek.com
edited /Google (+149) "/* Dead Services */ fix date of reader shutdwon"
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tantek.com
edited /custom_post_script (+24) "see also custom post style"
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tantek.com
edited /custom_post_style (+25) "see also custom post script"
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tantek
!tell KartikPrabhu https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_script looks good. Cross-linked it with custom post style.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: nice de-duping of bridgy backfeed and indieweb reply here: https://kylewm.com/2015/06/i-wonder-how-much-this-conversation-is-annoying-kartikprabhu
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 25 minutes ago: https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_script looks good. Cross-linked it with custom post style. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01/line/1435789254362
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tantek
whoa - nice de-duping kylewm !
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tantek
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 186 karma
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tantek
what is deduping?
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tantek
really?
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tantek.com
edited /Webmention (+262) "/* de-duplication */ IndieWeb Examples!"
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loqi.me
created /deduping (+89) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01/line/1435790897745 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
hmm that should have made a redirect
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tantek
Loqi :/
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tantek.com
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tantek
kylewm is that the first indieweb cross-site comment de-duplication?!?
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@t
2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1)
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tantek
that should hopefully spur some thoughts
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@njudah
RT @t: 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1)
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tantek.com
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Loqi
[bridgy] Paul Harvey replied '@t I don't miss it. I had started using Feedly before GR died, and I still use it to this day.' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/paulrharvey3/status/616387817577574400)
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tantek
neat - all the replies will get archived here thanks to Bridgy
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GWG
tantek: I self host a TT-RSS installation.
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bret
i miss it, but feedbin + pinboard is a decent replacement for now
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bret
endless streams of data is a huge distraction to me... hours of time I could have worked on something.... just hitting jjjjj
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bret
distractionnnnn is a growing issue i think
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tantek
agreed - I've stopped regularly reading any kind of reader aggregation / news feed
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tantek
never check FB news feed, very occasionally (like I know I'm time-constrained) check Twitter home page
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tantek
mostly I read topical channels (like this one)
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@kylewmahan
RT @t: 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1)
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@codebear
RT @t: 2 years since Google Reader died. Miss it? Why? No? What do you use instead? Discuss tonight: https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4bx1)
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bret
there is value to having an internet dragnet though, keeping tabs on general direction of different projects
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chreekat.net
edited /2015/Guest_List (+155) "/* Participating */ added myself!"
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