#indiewebcamp 2015-07-02

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Loqi
[bridgy] Dan Fowler replied '@t NetNewsWire' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/danfowler/status/616395816043843585)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Philip Durbin favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/t/status/616386559877713920)
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KevinMarks
Odd that csarven is surprised that I express opinions in posts on my own site
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GWG
KevinMarks: Maybe you need a disclaimer.
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GWG
"These views represent the views of Kevin Marks himself, and not one of his subsidiaries, parent companies, or affiliates."
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GWG
I have a content question to run by you guys.
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GWG
I found an old paper journal. I'm wondering if I should retroblog it
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GWG
I know people are importing their old livejournals and such.
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GWG
Is there a point in importing a record of what I did from April 10-April 26, 1999?
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KevinMarks_
yes, that is a good impulse, GWG
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@stvnrlly
I have closed the tabs that were in the browser and which you were probably saving to read Forgive me they hogged memory and were so old
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Jeena
GWG, yes! It is part of history and you want to be able to look back on it some day :)
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GWG
Jeena: I was rather shocked.
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GWG
I have been in the midst of a travelogue as an experience in content creation.
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GWG
And I pulled this document out of a box last night, when I remembered it existed.
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GWG
Makes me wish I'd written more during certain events.
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GWG
April 21, 1999 - "I think there might be a future for me as a donkey guide."
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bret
Jeena: heading over
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bret
Jeena: cool, here... sitting at the bar
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bret
you here?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I added a few things to the wiki - Indiewebcamp 2015 is only 10 day away in Portland Oregon and Brighton England
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: barcamp was put together in fewer than 10 days so we could still add more cities
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tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Karthik Prabhu has put together custom style and script per post for his site. This sin something silos don't let you do
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: what would it mean to put that kind of custom style/script in a post that a Reader could pull out and present to the user?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: There's lots of things indieweb users can do on their own sites that silos don't support
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I found with the http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html post that being able to paste in tabs was useful
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: there are posts that are like mini web apps, and it would be nice to use them in readers
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: for styles there is a way to express scoped-style that only applies to a parent and its subtree
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we can also say in microformats 'save this whole subtree' with an e- prefix which would keep the style and script
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: as my post storage format is html I can experiment with scoped style sin it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Karthik pointed out that @kylewmahan does deduplication of posts with their POSSE'd comments and shows the syndicated ones
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it is the 2 year anniversary of Google Reader's site-death today
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: what kind of reader do you use now?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I read the irc channels fro indiewebcamp and social; I read facebook's events feed; I will occasionally check twitter
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I don't use push notifications for any of these; i deliberately browse instagram
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @danlyke: I use rssyl which is a plugin for mail to do feed reading in email all my feeds show there - emailis my primary thing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I subscribe to the full twitter feed on there it floods it so I use a list and still chekc twitter
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I use an rss reader called newsblur; my twitter, fb, github notifications go there but I want an offline mobile app
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I have been hacking on indiecards and hovercards on http://www.unmung.com/ but nerd-sniped myself into doing layout
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: is pinch-out the mobile equivalent of hover for desktop?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @webrecorder_io: I have a new project that works with webrecorder at http://archivethis.website that you cna add a URL
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @webrecorder_io: it runs Selenium so it is archiving with Chrome or Safari browser to crawl a website as ti is rendered
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @webrecorder_io: this catches things that javascript instantiates on the page as well as the static elements
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @webrecorder_io: it runs Selenium so it is archiving with Chrome or Safari browser to crawl a website as ti is re…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @danlyke: the reason Kyle had to send a manual webmention is that I was looking for a vouch parameter and only accepting those
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acegiak
morning, all!
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GWG
Good morning, acegiak
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aaronpk
how is pdx hwc going?
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@kevinmarks
Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my website http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-01.html #indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks++ for good note taking at HWC
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 123 karma
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@nypananders
RT @kevinmarks: Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my website http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-01.html #indieweb
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bjorn-
tantek__: What did you mean with "what are metrics?" regarding my question with QS data?
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Loqi
bjorn-: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 1 minute ago: see https://indiewebcamp.com/exercise re: " movement around Quantified Self-data to help users own their own data" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-01/line/1435787156568
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Loqi
exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/metrics
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gRegorLove
Hi, bjorn- . tantek was just using our IRC bot to get a summary + link from the wiki. Loqi responds to 'what is...' questions.
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gRegorLove
What is Loqi?
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bjorn-
Hmm alright. :)
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Loqi
Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
Who is Loqi?
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Loqi
Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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@scott_gruber
TwitterOAuth PHP Library for the Twitter REST API. @t @adactio is this API a good one to use for indieweb work? https://twitteroauth.com/
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Loqi
[mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'IndieWebCamp is coming up next weekend in Portland. I am realizing now that last year’s IndieWebCamp is still on my to-blog list. At this po...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (http://gregorlove.com/2015/07/1206/)
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petermolnar
good morning
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GWG
Good morning, petermolnar
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GWG
I have been thinking
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acegiak
dangerous territory
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GWG
acegiak: I'm blaming you for some of them.
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GWG
I'm thinking of adding a meta box to comments to fix/edit Semantic Linkbacks fields.
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acegiak
oh that's a useful idea
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GWG
I have my moments
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GWG
acegiak: I sm still waiting for pfefferle to return and accept my notifications fix pull request.
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acegiak
GWG: he's a mysterious fellow
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GWG
acegiak: I know, but he usually catches things that I miss.
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acegiak
oh yeah he got skillz
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ouvre-boite.com
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cweiske
is dym.cx here?
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pfefferle
good morning indieweb
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@MrStephenJones
#wisewords from @PeterGChun "Automation is good but you still have to #ownyourdata." Behavior change by tracking change.
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@RyanStipUTES
RT @MrStephenJones: #wisewords from @PeterGChun "Automation is good but you still have to #ownyourdata." Behavior change by tracking change.
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@Joel_HoveyHV
RT @MrStephenJones: #wisewords from @PeterGChun "Automation is good but you still have to #ownyourdata." Behavior change by tracking change.
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gregorlove.com
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@webrocker
was haltet ihr von slack? bin einerseits sehr begeistert, andererseits zögerlich, komplettes projekt knowhow da reinzukippen #ownyourdata
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GWG
I missed pfefferle, darn
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@benmartinezJ
RT @MrStephenJones: #wisewords from @PeterGChun "Automation is good but you still have to #ownyourdata." Behavior change by tracking change.
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@kylewmahan
@zaskoda @joindiaspora I choose option 3: #indieweb! host your own site and syndicate to wherever your friends are https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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kylewm
What is interpersonal connection management?
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@zaskoda
@kylewmahan @joindiaspora Do you syndicate beyond RSS? What's the indie solution for interpersonal connection management?
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KevinMarks
i think the answer is woodwind
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KevinMarks
or possibly irc
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Loqi
[bridgy] Zaskoda replied '@kylewmahan @joindiaspora Do you syndicate beyond RSS? What's the indie solution for interpersonal connection management?' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (https://twitter.com/zaskoda/status/616691510252322816)
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kylewm
ty KevinMarks
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@kylewmahan
@zaskoda The community is definitely actively exploring friend/follower/followee relations. Right now I use IRC and https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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Loqi
[mention] Kyle Mahan commented '@zaskoda The community is definitely actively exploring friend/follower/followee relations. Right now I use IRC and indiewebcamp.com/Woodwin...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind (https://kylewm.com/2015/07/zaskoda-the-community-is-definitely-actively-exploring)
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kylewm
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 124 karma
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KevinMarks
didn't we talk about this last night?
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kylewm
heh yes, but interpersonal connection management didn't immediately mean "reader" to me
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KevinMarks
hm, of course I dind't take notes on what i was saying...
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ben_thatmustbeme
indeed, i noticed there was very little irc chat last night during HWC
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KevinMarks
tantek normally scribes to irc too, but he wasn't last night
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KevinMarks
and aaron does for portland, but he was not there
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KevinMarks
boo, huffduff-video doesn't work on the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05zktnk
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KevinMarks
missing some RTMP thing
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kylo Riley replied '@zaskoda & yep, I selectively syndicate posts from my site to Twitter, FB, and pull them in from Instagram (bc they don’t have a write A...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/616693281187983361)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kylo Riley replied '@zaskoda The community is definitely actively exploring friend/follower/followee relations. Right now I use IRC and indiewebcamp.com/Woodwin...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/616692801468653568)
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tantek
good afternoon #indiewebcamp! 9 days til Portland & Brighton!
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tantek
KevinMarks that "useronboard" site you linked to puts up a really annoying email form prompt that covers the content. :P
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rhiaro
oh man, I should book transport to Brighton or something
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tantek
How *not* to onboard your users - present them first thing with a "Your email" form prompt that covers the content they were trying to read.
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aaronpk
haha someone should post a useronboard of useronboard
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tantek
Irony, the intro text ends with "Without further ado, here is…" [actually just one more "ado" - please give us your email address first]
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tantek
yeah this is too dumb/ironic to not write-up
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+132) "/* Technologies */ webactions indie-config, note invention and interop implementation *during* IWC Brighton 2014"
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tantek.com
created /founding (+43) "r"
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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fkooman
aaronpk, i was able to login using indiecert.net once on indieauth.com (after manually adding a state parameter), but not when trying to login to the wiki...
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cweiske
fkooman, indieauth.com works now fine with my indieauth-openid proxy
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cweiske
state should be there now
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fkooman
now as in since 9 minutes ago? :)
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fkooman
i have to all the time press the "rescan" button though, and then:
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fkooman
There was an SSL error connecting to https://www.tuxed.net/fkooman/
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fkooman
Re-Scan
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cweiske
no, now since some weeks
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fkooman
it almost seems like there are two instances and one is up to date and the other is old :)
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aaronpk
now that there are 3 indieauth.com servers, you are going to have to click re-scan more often since they don't share state between them. you might end up on a server you haven't been on in a while
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aaronpk
they all have the same code tho, you can verify with the version number in the footer
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KevinMarks
do it, tantek
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tantek
do what?
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fkooman
aaronpk, but at least one of them gave the 400 error again, which i didn't see on the previous one... even after rescan
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tantek
oh the screenshot and metawrite-up of useronboard? ok
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tantek
somehow that page is also hanging my browser (or nearly) even without executing its JS
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fkooman
cweiske, there is no state still though :)
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fkooman
aaronpk, and there is the SSL connection problem again to https://tuxed.net/... what is up with that? :)
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fkooman
aaronpk, There was an SSL error connecting to https://www.tuxed.net/fkooman/
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aaronpk
i see that
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fkooman
indiecert.net/auth
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fkooman
Endpoint did not return HTTP 200 for the initial query. (Returned 400 instead)
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fkooman
this worked at least once somewhere :)
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aaronpk
i don't think i've fixed that problem yet, i would have commented on the github thread
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fkooman
okay :)
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fkooman
strange it did work once...
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aaronpk
the ssl thing should be fixed if i remember what system packages to upgrade
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aaronpk
tho I thought I just upgraded that server
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aaronpk
oh darn, it's still ubuntu 12.04
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aaronpk
well I can remove that one from the pool
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fkooman
do you have some notes from your load balancing setup? it would be interesting to also look at that for indiecert and to get some experience with that as well
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aaronpk
it's just DNS load balancing
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aaronpk
so indieauth.com returns several addresses
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aaronpk
i had to rewrite the whole thing to not actually store anything in a database and make it entirely stateless
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aaronpk
none of the servers have a shared backend of any kind
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fkooman
aaronpk, what about the authorization code for verification?
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aaronpk
what is my favorite database?
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loqi.me
created /my_favorite_database (+119) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-02/line/1435874243055 and dfn added by aaronpk"
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fkooman
aaronpk, ah, i see :)
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fkooman
indieauth.com always gives 71.214.80.188 to me
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kylewm
aaronparecki.com is the 5th search result for "my favorite database is the network"
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kylewm
(kylewm.com is 10th)
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fkooman
if i ask 8.8.8.8 I get 45.79.83.22
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aaronpk
your dns server may be caching more aggressively
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kylewm
I'm amazed how easy it is to get on the front page of search results these days
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aaronpk
i just removed that one so in a few minutes it'll probably stop returning it
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fkooman
aaronpk, stupid home router crap
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aaronpk
speaking of... bear, think the new one is ready to go?
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bear
@aaronpk - yes
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bear
my firefox resolved it with zero ocsp issues
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aaronpk
it's in the pool now!
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tantek.com
edited /scope (+32) "more see also"
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aaronpk
(i'm going to be on a bike for the next couple hours, so if things blow up can you log in and remove it?)
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KevinMarks
what for, kylewm?
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kylewm
KevinMarks: I just mean, aaronpk and I are both on the first page of search results just for posting links to this mitsuhiko article https://www.google.com/search?q=my+favorite+database+is+the+network
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fkooman
There was an SSL error connecting to https://www.tuxed.net/fkooman/ :P
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aaronpk
you're on the same server still
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fkooman
ah, I'll change DNS servers
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aaronpk
if you want to test one directly, you can try https://p3k.indieauth.com or https://primary.indieauth.com
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aaronpk
https://aaronpk.indieauth.com/ is the one running off my home gigabit network which is the one you're having trouble with
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aaronpk
(the other two are ubuntu 14.04, my home server is 12.04)
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KevinMarks
that's a fairly obscure phrase
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kylewm
but it was a popular post on a high traffic blog, I assume lots of people read it
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fkooman
aaronpk, ah, but it still gives the 400 error with indiecert.net, so i can't get much further :)
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KevinMarks
right, but most people tweet rather than blog, so google will only show 1 from twitter.com
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tantek
KevinMarks: huh that's interesting. observation? or documented?
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tantek
perhaps good to add to /Why
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tantek
also - /FreeMyOAuth icons need updating if anyone wants to help get new ones
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kylewm
KevinMarks: yep that was exactly my point. everybody uses silos, so its easy to get a high page rank just by existing outside of one
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tantek
can we make the same js;dr argument about silo;dr ? that is, that people's silo posts are ignorable because they won't get indexed/archived?
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kylewm
is feeling intense deja vu
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tantek
per discussions about DNS, WHOIS previously in this channel: http://ma.tt/2015/07/domain-anonymity-and-the-brilliance-of-entertainment-lobbyists/
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tantek
oh dear, the "Related" box at the bottom of that page is an article about OpenID, Spam, and the (defunct) service Magnolia
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tantek
(from 2008)
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tantek
I wonder what WP plugin does the "Related" box of articles at the bottom, and how it picks out a 7+ year old article!
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GWG
Those Related plugins usually stink
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
I keep LOLing here btw, reviewing /2014-created pages - so much humor.
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tantek
E.g. just came across
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tantek
what are timezones?
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tantek
I mean, what is a timezone?
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Loqi
timezones are a way to create dependencies in your code on legislative bodies in countries you have never heard of[1] https://indiewebcamp.com/timezone
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tantek
see also leapseconds?
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tantek
oh dear, /lulz and /chicken were created in 2014
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+104) "/* Technologies */ fragmention!"
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kevinmarks.com
edited /fragmention (+20) "better definition"
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edited /2014-review (+139) "/* Community Resources */ disclosure"
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KevinMarks
CSS driving me mad today
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tantek
apologizes in general
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+158) "/* Community Resources */ facepile"
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KevinMarks
flex-box is actually nicer
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KevinMarks
than previous CSS tricks
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KevinMarks
but using it with SVG is bothersome
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KevinMarks
or maybe I'm just breaking dabblet
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+692) "/* Community Resources */ archive, this-week-in-the-indieweb, follow, collection, exercise, quotation"
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tantek
nearly getting to an a-z of new community resources created in 2014
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and that's after a review of the first half of /2014-created !
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Loqi messages?