#indiewebcamp 2015-07-03

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@FromTheWastes Bioflash Short Stories by @nrburnette – What are they?... https://fromthewastes11811.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/bioflash-short-stories-by-n-r-burnette-what-are-they/ #amreading #amwriting #indieauth # https://twitter.com/FromTheWastes/status/616758478271610880/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/616758478271610880)
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GWG I am thinking of officially abandoning IWC in NYC in favor of a separate event if a venue comes through
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tantek you mean picking a new date?
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tantek for IWC NYC?
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GWG tantek: Picking a date subsequent to finding a venue.
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tantek makes sense
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tantek if you can do simultaneous with Edinburgh that would be cool too!
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tantek plus only 5 hours apart makes it easier to collaborate
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GWG tantek: Maybe the NYT or bear's efforts with Mozilla will bear fruit
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GWG Otherwise, there is always Deli and HWC
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bear GWG - i'm thinking that we just hold a IWC-cloud
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GWG bear: That is my plan.
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GWG bear, but if anyone ever gets back to you...new event?
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bear as soon as I find out you will be the first I contact
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bear for me it's a quick train ride to NYC so even if we find out on the day before I can still make it
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GWG The more notice, the more likely newcomers will show
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tantek it sounds like there may be critical mass for a IWC SF / bayarea remote site too
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GWG Maybe another IWC online as well
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KevinMarks ok, that's a lot closer to working http://www.unmung.com/hovercard?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com
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kylewm text is cut off in my FF https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/tantek-hovercard.png
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kylewm looks really cool in Chrome tho
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KevinMarks yeah, I'm having a fight with margins now
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KevinMarks so, how does flex-box decide vertical size?
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@ppcdad RT @aaronpk: Only 26 days until IndieWebCamp! http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 This year in Portland and Brighton! (twitter.com/_/status/616814139185303552)
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Loqi [bridgy] The PPC DAD retweeted a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/ppcdad/status/616814139185303552)
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acegiak Since setting up my indieweb reader and twitter posse the number of random twitter followers I have has skyrocketed
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acegiak lotta robots it seems
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cweiske did someone already implement an archive.org push client?
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cweiske which I can subscribe to a feed, and then it lets archive all changed post URLs to archive.org?
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fkooman aaronpk, the authorization_code can only be used once, so what do you do to avoid replaying the same authorization_code?
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pfefferle good morning indieweb
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pfefferle !tell aaronpk the SCREENGUIDE magazine published only a shorter and translated version of your interview… is it ok for you if I publish the complete interview on my site?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG pfefferle: Good morning, I have been awaiting your return.
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pfefferle GWG saw your changes and merged them earlier today
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pfefferle GWG will push some more changes later today and also release a new WordPress directory version
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pfefferle thanks a lot GWG++ :)
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pfefferle GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 99 karma
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GWG pfefferle: Would you be able to look at the Webmentions changes?
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pfefferle GWG a, sorry, thought you also removed them. Will also try to merge your changes on the WebMention plugin
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GWG The combination of the notifications changes in that with the filter hook in Semantic Linkbacks fixes the notifications problems
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GWG pfefferle: I rewrote the pull completely
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pfefferle pleasy wait before starting to work on the semantic linkback plugin… I reformatted the complete code to follow the WordPress coding guidelines...
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GWG pfefferle: I have another idea that I'm not sure belongs in there
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pfefferle GWG let me know.
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GWG pfefferle: A comment meta box on the edit comments screen that shows the Metadata the plugin adds
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GWG Outside scope or in scope do you think?
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pfefferle GWG like https://wordpress.org/plugins/comment-meta-display/screenshots/ ???
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GWG More specific to the plugin, but yes.
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pfefferle https://notizblog.org/wp-admin/plugin-install.php?tab=plugin-information&plugin=wp-comment-fields&TB_iframe=true&width=600&height=550
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pfefferle oh, I mean this https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-comment-fields/
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GWG pfefferle, I may mock it up and see if I want to pursue.
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GWG Right now, I am trying to rewrite Simple Location.
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GWG It wasn't as simple as I wanted
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jonnybarnes I have syndication from my micropub client/backend working again!
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jonnybarnes in refactoring the code I’ve dropped support for the older `syndicate-to` value that isn’t even on the wiki page anymore
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jonnybarnes it took a few minutes to work out what had gone wrong
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GWG jonnybarnes: What are you syndicating to?
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jonnybarnes twitter
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jonnybarnes atm, don’t know if I can be bothered setting up syndication to facebook
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GWG I tried to use Bridgy, but have to troubleshoot some things
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GWG Does anyone routinely have a p- summary and e-content presented on a post?
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Loqi [bridgy] Gerard Manalo Alvarez RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#1626683647575250)
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kylewm_ "don't know if i can be bothered setting up syndication to facebook" -- I'm noticing a trend
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GWG kylewm_: I can be bothered. But I won't.
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GWG Other people did it for e
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GWG me
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petermolnar and some just trying leaving facebook for good
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petermolnar and stop syndicating there
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@lewisnyman @tvnweb Hey! It's looking like I'll be in Brighton next week for @IndieWebCampUK, see you there? (twitter.com/_/status/616982055872761856)
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@tvnweb @lewisnyman @IndieWebCampUK Yay! Definitely! Coming for 2 days only? (twitter.com/_/status/616983353347207168)
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kylewm does anybody know of other projects like dave winer's nodeStorage, that let a web application use a user-configurable data store location? ideally would be swappable among things like Dropbox/S3/github
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benwerd no, but that kind of abstracted interface would be really cool
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 6/25 at 3:36pm: HTML5DevConf call for proposals for Oct 2015: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RQ79YieG1zGrzVRz0HDJXJhPevCxHZlyUHQbgeUPam0/viewform http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-25/line/1435271763045
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@calum_ryan Not long now to @IndieWebCampUK. Hopefully Southern rail strike won't mean getting stranded in Brighton though worse places to be stranded. (twitter.com/_/status/616984830912409600)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: unhosted, remotestorage, hoodiedb
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Loqi slack/snarfed: <https://snarfed.org/2011-12-31_unhosted_decoupling_web_apps_from_storage_providers>
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: pfefferle left you a message 3 hours, 9 minutes ago: the SCREENGUIDE magazine published only a shorter and translated version of your interview… is it ok for you if I publish the complete interview on my site? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-03/line/1435927336401
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aaronpk pfefferle: sure!
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pfefferle aaronpk thanks ;)
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kylewm snarfed: huh I will look at remotestorage again, i didn't see S3/Dropbox/Google Docs support on their website... seemed like it needed custom server software running
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: very possible. i haven't looked at them in a long time. you do need *a* server for any webapp, though, right?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: maybe i misunderstand
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kylewm yes absolutely, i want to write a server app that stores data on a remote, user-configurable file system
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kylewm the projects people have written are definitely geared toward client apps
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Loqi slack/snarfed: right, OK. i thought unhosted etc did what you want when i looked at them years ago. maybe they've changed since then
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Loqi slack/snarfed: oh, i see what you mean, whether they talk to the storage apis JS or server side.
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@benwerd Seeing a lot of demand for "publish elsewhere, save on your own site" vs "publish on your own site, syndicate elsewhere". #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/617000714842148864)
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@aaronpk @benwerd I'm guessing because the publishing tools elsewhere are often very good. With Micropub, the... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/07/03/1/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/617001025698820097)
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aaronpk !tell fkooman good catch! I thought I remembered it saying only that the authorization code must be short-lived. I will have to think about how to do that
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm distributed storage may be too ambitious for the first cut :)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: never! :P
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emmak kylewm: i'm working on a new project that publishes to s3
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Loqi slack/snarfed: what's the project emmak?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: and yours kylewm?
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emmak https://github.com/notenoughneon/skein
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emmak i'm making an indieweb blog hosted in aws
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Loqi slack/snarfed: oh wow interesting!
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emmak the content is static and hosted in s3, but there will be an api server that functions as a micropub to s3 publisher
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kylewm daang, that's exactly what i wnat to do emmak
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tantek emmak++ nice!
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Loqi emmak has 12 karma
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emmak cool, we should compare notes :)
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kylewm :)
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emmak i saw you started working on a java microformats parser, is that for this project?
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kylewm nope that was kind of a lark
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kylewm i haven't started coding anything for the static site stuff, just little experiments so far
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tantek kylewm - the java mf2 parser could be a big help with adding mf2 stats to the open web crawls - because they use java for all their parsing analysis
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kylewm oh, neat. that sounds like it's worth exploring!
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snarfed recalls the potential of https://github.com/bear/indie-stats / https://snarfed.org/indie-stats
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tantek kylewm: let me see if I can find the github issue
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snarfed realizes a full implementation of https://snarfed.org/indie-stats would answer tantek's standard "who does X?" and "when did you first do X?" questions for free :P
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tantek really?
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tantek for somethings yeah
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tantek harder for user-facing features / designs that might not have an agreed upon markup and/or backend convention yet - e.g. the "custom post style" feature
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snarfed true
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nedorito guys how do you feel about diaspora
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Loqi slack/snarfed: a mite peckish?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: oh sorry you were being serious
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tantek nedorito - see http://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora for a summary based on this community's experiences with Diaspora
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tantek nedorito: do you use Diaspora on your personal site?
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nedorito lol I forgot to RTFW
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nedorito I haven't used it but just skimmed the tutorial.
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kylewm nedorito: diaspora and its ilk are islands, only useful if there are other people on the island you want to communicate with
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tantek !tell cuibonobo when you have a chance, since you commented before, could you drop a short follow-up on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-207 noting that there is now an open source Java microformats2 parser? http://microformats.org/wiki/parsers#Java
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu messages?
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cuibonobo here i is
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Loqi cuibonobo: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: when you have a chance, since you commented before, could you drop a short follow-up on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-207 noting that there is now an open source Java microformats2 parser? http://microformats.org/wiki/parsers#Java http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-03/line/1435948912826
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cuibonobo will do
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cuibonobo left a comment about there being a java mf2 parser. kylewm: it would be great if you could flesh out the documentation on that library a little more
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KevinMarks kylewm: the closes thing to a storage ambivilent API is bradfitz's camlistore
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tantek cuibonobo++ thanks so much!
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Loqi cuibonobo has 15 karma
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cuibonobo you're welcome!
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KartikPrabhu snarfed, kylewm: do you know why bridgy never found the original post for the first one here: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/kartik_prabhu ?
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KartikPrabhu it is in the feed with u-syndication
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tantek.com edited /custom_post_style (+528) "brainstorm use style scoped for custom post style when post displayed in-stream, cite references" (view diff)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I think Bridgy only looks at the first rel=feed link if there are multiple
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Zegnat Is there any specific indieweb/microformat way of linking a transcript to an audio-post? I noticed some people using Spoken, sometimes even cross posting to their own site (e.g. https://brooksreview.net/category/sub/), but almost never including a transcript.
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KevinMarks not that I know of, but gathering examples is the right way to start
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@DimitrisTzouris @kevinmarks #indieweb todo! (twitter.com/_/status/617082476515737601)
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Zegnat KevinMarks: I am not seeing a lot of examples of people including transcripts :( But will start fresh with my search tomorrow
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Zegnat good night
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Loqi gute nacht!
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KevinMarks__ !tell zegnat npr have transcripts for a lot of their shows and clips
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks__ !tell zegnat another example http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n08/jacqueline-rose/a-rumbling-of-things-unknown
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret anyone have a good strategy to handle cron jobs or systemd timers that need access to a password? seems kinda ghetto to just leave unencrypted passwords around on a server
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raucao bret: you could write the script in a compiled language and just put the binary on the server
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raucao not sure if that's less ghetto :)
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emmak what is the password used for?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "password used for" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=password+used+for&summary=prompted+by+emmak+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-03%2Fline%2F1435964748229
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Loqi slack/dariusdunlap: <http://amazon.com|amazon.com>
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GWG Fiddling with tweaking Geolocation. I think I need to find the language setting.
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2015/06/09/entering-jerusalem/
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snarfed cracks his knuckles and eyes https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/415
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bret raucao: omg thats kinda a good idea
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bret emmak: https://iwantmyname.com/blog/2012/03/ddns-dynamic-dns-service-on-your-own-domain.html
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emmak bret: and this is running on a shared server?
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bret no, but as a learning process, im trying to set this up "correctly"
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bret just on a raspi
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bret its a sensitive password... to my domain registrar
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emmak i dont think there is really a correct way to do that
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emmak this is a drawback of plain password authentication
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snarfed bret: emmak: in the real world, depends on the threat model, sensitivity of the data, etc. for most of of us here, those are pretty small. :P
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snarfed honestly, if the server is maintained well and has a decent OS, plain text in a file with locked down permissions is usually good enough
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snarfed one of my favorite writeups on this: https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords
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bret snarfed: cool! i figured unix permissions and visibility rules would be the most vanilla solution
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snarfed the common mistake/risk is passing it as a command line flag, which is then usually visible to all users
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snarfed is also curious what bear would say
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bret it bugs me when programs dont use a sanctioned keychain though ಠ_ಠ pidgin
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bret mainly because its a nice place to retreive old or lost passwords!
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snarfed heh fair
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bret but in this case, it seems like adding a keychain to the mix would decrease stability
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bret but im tempted to compile go binary with the password hardcoded into it
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bret lol
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kylewm Ha it'll still be plaintext in the binary, but I guess someone is less likely to look there
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snarfed strings [binary]
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bret just more work lol
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bret but then I can just toss the bin around
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aaronpk here's a thought, do you have a way to set up any sort of limited user account on your registrar?
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aaronpk AWS has a concept of "IAM" users which you can grant very limited privileges to
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snarfed yup, dedicated users are a common pattern for *nix daemons
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aaronpk no I mean at the registrar
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aaronpk in Linode I can do the same, making a user account that can only make DNS changes for example, but can't launch or shut down servers
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snarfed ah
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snarfed lacks context
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snarfed shuts up
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bret aaronpk: nope.... emailing support to see if they have some kind of limited api key I could set up
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bret ideally would only have permissions to update the IP on a single hostname
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emmak maybe you could set up another server, to change the dns for the first one :)
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