#indiewebcamp 2015-07-13

2015-07-13 UTC
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KartikPrabhu
goes to validate his XML
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KevinMarks
whats the url?
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KevinMarks
of aaron's indieauth pahe
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I updated he wiki today about indieauth things to make it more consistent http://indiewebcamp.com/Category:IndieAuth
(twitter.com/_/status/620382538234757120)
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rhiaro
aaronpk++
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kylewm
doesn't need to be demoed, but I finished adding POSSE for comments on instagram https://kylewm.com/2015/07/yum-lechuga ... uses Selenium and PhantomJS
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Loqi
aaronpk has 879 karma
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snarfed
kylewm++ ridiculously cool
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Loqi
kylewm has 189 karma
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: ben took a photo of me https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/7/12/9/ and tagged me in a photo and my phone notified me
(twitter.com/_/status/620382862378975233)
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snarfed
oh man SWAT0 is so exciting
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kylewm
aaronpk: commented!
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk got a notification about hats :P
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GWG
Hats off to aaronpk
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KevinMarks
2 copies in the feed
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: ben updating the photo was amy hitting the like button
(twitter.com/_/status/620383323941175296)
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KevinMarks
remeber , steram is lagged
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KevinMarks
so it took us a minute
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kylewm
haha, painful waiting for us to catch up :P
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: and these comments are now on ben's post, which notified me
(twitter.com/_/status/620383496889061377)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: caught the error. that post title has an ampersand which needs escaping!
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Loqi
xml has -11 karma
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KevinMarks
yes, using wood wind too
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KevinMarks
and I posted into known
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+300) "/* Working On */ mobile design"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: now I can sign into woodwind and log in with twitter - wait, twitter is down
(twitter.com/_/status/620383716075028480)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: fortunately indieauth means I don't have to use twitter, I can use last.fm
(twitter.com/_/status/620383823491166208)
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@kylewmahan
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: now I can sign into woodwind and log in with twitter - wait, twitter is down
(twitter.com/_/status/620383842533126144)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I cna post my own comment now in the reader and that posts on my site and ping ben's
(twitter.com/_/status/620384093650485248)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: and I got a notification that http://aaronparecki.com commented on my photo on ben's site
(twitter.com/_/status/620384253516382208)
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kylewm
aaronpk++
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 880 karma
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kylewm
that was awesome
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 96 karma
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KevinMarks
and known is PHPO too
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KevinMarks
I have a demo
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: so we have demo'd SWAT0 by 3 people, 3 locations, 3 implementations
(twitter.com/_/status/620384473121718272)
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KevinMarks
not sure how to do it
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I was right! bad XML!
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chreekat
KevinMarks: can be done via hangouts
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KevinMarks
not sure how to webcast to you?
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KevinMarks
invite me
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes! wondering why FF didnot throw an error but ignored it
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aaronpk_
send me a hangouts link and I'll open it on this laptop!
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aaronpk_
KevinMarks?
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KevinMarks
I thought you were going to invite me
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aaronpk_
just did
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kylewm.com
edited /Instagram (+71) "/* POSSE */ note commenting via the API is not supported"
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KevinMarks
not seeing invite
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tantek
we see kevinmarks
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tantek
one last demo! remote from KevinMarks
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tantek
worked on indiecards
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tantek
reworked it as a hovercard
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tantek
designed to work in an iframe
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tantek
he’s incorporated indiecards into noterlive.com
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tantek
(aside: they’re not hovercards - hovercards are a very specific presentational effect in response to users *hovering* over something)
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tantek
had to cache tantek.com
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tantek
and thus caches cards in general now
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kylewm.com
edited /Instagram (+460) "/* IndieWeb Implementations */ add POSSE for likes and comments"
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KevinMarks
that lag was long enough
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KevinMarks
yes a new window would be good
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KevinMarks
though iframing sites as a preview is anothe option
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rhiaro
is jealous of all this food discussion
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GWG
That reminds me, I need to figure out if I could realistically add dynamic link previewing to the WordPress embed system.
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kylewm
and Pacman!
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KevinMarks
I should do the pagaspreview.herokuapp.com trick
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Loqi
it is probable
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kylewm
*claps* thanks aaronpk and everyone else who helped with the live streaming
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@adriennefriend
@kylewmahan i noticed that it's all #indieweb! still makes me happy! :D
(twitter.com/_/status/620388068181172224)
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KartikPrabhu
tommorris: know a good XML character escaping library?
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KevinMarks
should just be able to use utf8
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KevinMarks
and escape the few xml chars
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: & is a valid utf8 character so that won't work i think
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@alenevince
RT t: Congratulations dissolve33 aaronpk kevinmarks kylewmahan for the first #indieweb #SWAT0 demo!! Previously: http://tantek.com/2015/193/t1/congratulations-first-indieweb-swat0
(twitter.com/_/status/620396011387809792)
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: congratulations on SWAT0 everyone! really exciting!
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KartikPrabhu
fixed XML problem in hfeed2atom by escaping all strings
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GWG
Has anyone noticed the dated info on the IWC 2015 page copied from IWC 2014?
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GWG
Watching the demos from earlier. I think I know why anomalily was having trouble with coffee posting as the date
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tjgillies_
Wooo
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tjgillies_
all html files, no database calls
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aaronpk
GWG: that was because the Wordpress plugin looks for a "content" property, and Teacup sends custom properties plus "summary"
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aaronpk
I want to add a sentence to Micropub that says servers should use the "summary" property if they don't recognize any other property of the request
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GWG
aaronpk: I got snarfed to put in a partial solution for that when I was submitting PRs to it.
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GWG
There are hooks to add additional processing.
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aaronpk
Ah cool
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aaronpk
I think summary is good for core tho
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GWG
aaronpk: I just don't use Teacup so I haven't looked at what properties it pushes.
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aaronpk
Just p3k-food and p3k-drink
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GWG
aaronpk: I've been meaning to write support for setting the Post Kind from the Micropub plugin.
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aaronpk
But it also sends a summary
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GWG
It is why I'm not using Micropub at the moment.
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GWG
It should be on my list to address.
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tjgillies_
aaronpk: What do I need to have in my post to have your site pick up the content of the mesage for webmention?
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tjgillies_
https://lit-tor-5257.herokuapp.com/content/live-stream links in the page, but there is no message
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tjgillies_
I had a blockquote on the e-content class instead of a div, but I repinged your site. Not sure if it was the blockquote or if I'm still doing something wrong
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tjgillies_
does it need a u-in-reply-to ?
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tantek
tjgillies_: see /reply
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tjgillies_
/reply on the wiki?
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tjgillies_
Nice, thanks!
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tantek
slash references are auto-linked in the IRC logs
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tjgillies_
Nice
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+160) "/* Working On */ mobile design for each post type should be better than what other site"
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tjgillies_
Is there webmention test implementation we can spam?
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snarfed
or do you want the other direction?
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tjgillies_
I want to post webmentions to someone else's site
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tjgillies_
To see if my website content is being properly marked up
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snarfed
tjgillies_: aha, sure. just reply to or like anyone's post
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tjgillies_
I am
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tjgillies_
Ok
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snarfed
tjgillies_++
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Loqi
tjgillies has 18 karma
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chreekat
tjgillies_: aaronpk had a post specifically for indiewebcamp people to try to do that
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tjgillies_
Wasn't sure if that was cool or not
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tjgillies_
I'm trying other posts because I'm not sure if its caching my first one or not
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chreekat
tjgillies_: ah
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tjgillies_
science says I need a control variable
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tjgillies_
So im hitting a new post everytime
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tjgillies_
Can anyone see anything wrong with my markup? https://lit-tor-5257.herokuapp.com/content/test
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tjgillies_
I think everything looks good but the comment isn't being sent to site
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tjgillies_
but the webmention itself is showing up
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@buyfocal
I bought something for $11.50 post indie web camp food and drink buyfocal, bars, indiewebcamp, restaurants https://twitter.com/buyfocal/status/620455152005345280/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/620455152005345280)
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tjgillies_
I wonder if aaron is doing something with vouch
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tjgillies_
and filtering that way
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snarfed
tjgillies_: looks like your in-reply-to is a rel link, but it should be a class on an actual <a> link inside the reply object
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tjgillies_
snarfed: Where do you see that?
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snarfed
that link needs to be inside the h-entry
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snarfed
the link i posted is the parsed mf2 from your reply html
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tjgillies_
Im looking at the source
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tjgillies_
I must be misunderstanding
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tjgillies_
or
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tjgillies_
oh
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tjgillies_
class not rel
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snarfed
ahh yes
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tjgillies_
OK Thank!
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snarfed
sorry, i was describing wrong
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snarfed
but yeah that's it
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tjgillies_
I got used to rel= all the things
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tjgillies_
I need to host this on a real server so I can edit locally. Making a git commit and pushing to heroku and having them build an erlang app for a one character change is kinda lame heh
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snarfed
local is ideal
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snarfed
maybe run a well known webmention receiver locally? e.g. known
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tjgillies_
Not a bad idea. Thanks
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@Tyson_ot_NW
Minimum Useful Markup, my principle to develop by. #indieweb.
(twitter.com/_/status/620457839539007490)
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tjgillies_
Hell yeah
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tjgillies_
snarfed: u the man
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tjgillies_
Now I can go do something else
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tjgillies_
At least I know aaron updates the webmention on ping now
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snarfed
tjgillies_++ congrats!
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@jeena
Tha last thing which happended on the #IndieWebCamp Portland 2015 was me and ht… more at https://jeena.net/notes/373
(twitter.com/_/status/620470540747309056)
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@misuba
Weirdly, I didn't figure out what the whole hex-sticker thing was about at CascadiaFest; that waited until I got to IndieWebCamp. #nerds
(twitter.com/_/status/620477779490910212)
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Loqi
[mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'I just got home from IndieWebCamp in Portland. Had a lot of fun discussions and got interesting ideas. It’s cool being around creative peopl...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (/2015/07/100-words-027/)
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cweiske
Loqi, full url?
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gRegorLove
It's webmention.io I believe. aaronpk knows about it
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cweiske
construction_guy.gif
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cweiske
Comment display is temporarily under maintenance.
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KartikPrabhu
oh haha! Loqu does not absolutize URLs
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Loqi
nice
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: seeing this at the bottom of your site "
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KartikPrabhu
Warning: fopen(http://74.125.232.97/gregorlove): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found in /home/gregorlove/gregorlove.com/site/modules/Webmention/GregorMorrill/Webmention/WireHttp.php on line 134"
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gRegorLove
cweiske: Yeah, kinda rushed to get it up today, so some things have to wait another day or so :)
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gRegorLove
Heyy, that's fun. Thanks, KartikPrabhu
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cweiske
all fresh and new then
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gRegorLove
cweiske: Mostly same design, but new CMS + skeleton CSS for mobile-friendly
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gRegorLove
Lots of little things to work out, but it's mostly there :)
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: would recommend increasing spacing between navigation links on small screens for touch-friendliness
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gRegorLove
vertical space?
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KartikPrabhu
yes. usually more space is need for fingers
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gRegorLove
Weird, I'm not seeing that error message on the front end, though I do see it on the backend.
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KartikPrabhu
i used firefox on ubuntu
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gRegorLove
That article page?
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: Should be fixed now
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gRegorLove
Yeah, I'm not in love with the nav links at phone resolution. I'll play around with it.
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: confirmed
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gRegorLove
Cool, thanks.
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gRegorLove
Night, indieweb
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Loqi
[mention] Pierre Ozoux posted 'My media consumption/creation 2 min read This post is part o...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2015/my-media-consumptioncreation)
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KartikPrabhu
web endpoint for hfeed2atom for testing and for people to test and ask for features: https://kartikprabhu.com/hfeed2atom
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cweiske
KartikPrabhu, can I pass an URL?
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cweiske
e.g. aaronpk's home page?
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cweiske
goal would be that aaronpk adds a feed link to his homepage that my feed reader can use
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cweiske
KartikPrabhu, pasting aaronpk's homepage html into the form gives exactly no output on your parser
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cweiske
s/parser/converter/
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Loqi
cweiske meant to say: KartikPrabhu, pasting aaronpk's homepage html into the form gives exactly no output on your converter
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jaygreasley
Hello all, I was lurking over the weekend. I saw some uToob mentions and just wondered if there are any videos up there? (or if that is the plan at least)
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cweiske
do you mean utoob.org?
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: I don't like to have URL endpoints. I'd like people to use the lib themselves. Does aaronpk's homepage give a 500 error?
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cweiske
KartikPrabhu, I pasted the HTML
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: ok will test it out. I made it over the weekend to work for my homepage but I do plan to extend to cover others
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KartikPrabhu
thanks for the heads up!
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: wow! yeah interesting that aaronpk homepage give no error and no output. Will work on that next
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: per your suggestion and my minimal bandwidth usage, I'll work on fixing it to work for most feeds and have an endpoint that takes a URL parameter and return the Atom document
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sebbers_
Can someone offer me advice on whether I should use Interfaces for this challenge or not? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/03ab2950cbbe9db17d70
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@calum_ryan
Lots of interesting stuff discussed, implemented/tried out @IndieWebCamp Brighton this past weekend with a super crowd! Thank you @adactio
(twitter.com/_/status/620539309897162752)
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@lewisnyman
Getting my head around webmentions. If your post includes 'in-reply-to', then it's a comment, otherwise it just contains a mention #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/620544568925265920)
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petermolnar.eu
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petermolnar.eu
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@petermolnar
@lewisnyman I'm not sure, I'm not that familiar with webmention.io.
(twitter.com/_/status/620553775699369984)
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GWG
Good morning, all
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csarven.ca
edited /comment-examples (+154) "Note on the examples."
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csarven.ca
edited /timeline (+41) "Actual intention of rel=in-reply-to (i.e., linking of any two hEntries)"
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fkooman
aaronpk, did you think more about the reuse of authorization codes in distributed server situation? i was thinking that you could bind the authorization code to a particular instance and then keep a list of used codes there...
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jaygreasley
Afternoon all. I was lurking over the weekend. Sounds like I missed a great event. I just wondered if there is any video of it?
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seekr
there is a bit, jaygreasley
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Loqi
seekr: gRegorLove left you a message on 7/12 at 10:13am: Yesterday's demos will be put on the wiki eventually at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Demos. Same for today's hack day demos. Yesterday's demos are currently in the IRC logs but will be dumped to that page. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436721233516
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seekr
bret streamed video from Portland on Saturday, and I was able to capture an hour of it - it might also be on YouTube - and Charlotte Jackson streamed the final implementations session from Brighton on Sunday
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seekr
jaygreasley: ^^ try https://youtu.be/yJCtLhopfDY for bret's video - yeah, seems to work, but the audio is wonky for the first 5-10 minutes - Charlotte's is at https://youtu.be/aMuQ2U8nFPU
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seekr
Thanks, gRegor-phone, for the note yesterday about the demos being put into wiki-space - will check in a day or three
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seekr
did you see my notes about the videos about which you were inquiring, jaygreasley? See also Loqi's note above.
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning all
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opyate
Can I add IndieWebCamp to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp#Influence ?
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seekr
waves enthusiastically at ben_thatmustbeme and hopes he is doing fine on this sunny Boston day :)
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seekr
(at least it's sunny on my side of the river :P )
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@paul_tibbetts
Thoroughly enjoyed @indiewebcamp Brighton. Massive thank you to @adactio and @Lottejackson for hosting it and everyone else for taking part
(twitter.com/_/status/620602556453158912)
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ben_thatmustbeme
opyate: i don't see why not
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: tantek__: i'm guessing only admins can set topic in #indiewebcamp. Was just trying to update for Edinburgh and the HWC link is 2 weeks out of date
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@Tyson_ot_NW
@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp Exactly, as long as each url of an item points to a complete'er url, and each url has MUM to describe the item.
(twitter.com/_/status/620606603843076096)
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@Tyson_ot_NW
@kevinmarks #indieweb then we can use SWAT0 to pass notifications of reviews, listings, more detailed Markups, etc around to whoever cares.
(twitter.com/_/status/620607086167109632)
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@webcoupdoeil
Vigil@nce - WordPress Indieweb Post Kinds : Cross Site Scripting, analysé le 13/05/2015 http://vigilance.fr/vulnerabilite/WordPress-Indieweb-Post-Kinds-Cross-Site-Scripting-16908 #wordpress
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@AugustinGuefif
#cms Vigil@nce - WordPress Indieweb Post Kinds : Cross Site Scripting, analysé le 13/05/2015 http://vigilance.fr/vulnerabilite/WordPress-Indieweb-Post-Kinds-Cross-Site-Scripting-16908 #vulnérabilité
(twitter.com/_/status/620607448689160192)
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@laVeilleTechno
RT @webcoupdoeil: Vigil@nce - WordPress Indieweb Post Kinds : Cross Site Scripting, analysé le 13/05/2015 http://vigilance.fr/vulnerabilite/WordPress-Indieweb-Post-Kinds-Cross-Site-Scripting-16908 #wordpress
(twitter.com/_/status/620609660878352385)
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jaygreasley
thank you seekr
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jaygreasley
and thank you Loqi
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Loqi
yeah!
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning tantek
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tantek
good morning ben_thatmustbeme!
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tantek
saw your note about the channel topic - I’ll fix that
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tantek
could you fix /next-iwc and /next-hwc ?
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tantek
s/fix/update :)
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /next-hwc (+0) "update next-hwc"
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /next-iwc (+10) "update next-iwc redirect"
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ben_thatmustbeme
can't actually find the tempalte for the sidebar
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ben_thatmustbeme
also the header would need to be changed
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ben_thatmustbeme
but I think thats an aaronpk only thing
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@t
Yesterday @IndieWebCamp I did * “how to” comments markup * cross-browser per post styles * mobile friendlier home page (ttk.me t4c91)
(twitter.com/_/status/620617583809662976)
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tantek
sidebar isn’t a template, it’s just /Sidebar :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
doesn't let me edit it
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tantek
interesting
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-43) "next IWC Edinburgh!"
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, it doesn't let me anything in the MediaWiki namespace
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ben_thatmustbeme
probably have to be an admin
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tantek
that makes sense
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tantek
all updated!
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tantek
thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek
hey ben_thatmustbeme what’s your mechanism for receiving / seeing notifications of comments on your posts?
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tantek
could you screenshot it and post it?
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tantek
in particular the notifications from KevinMarks and kylewm commenting on your swat0 photo last night
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tantek
you have a separate page for all your notifications right?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i don't get unique data in notification on my system, just a generic notification that links me to https://ben.thatmustbe.me/activity
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tantek
timestamps?
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ben_thatmustbeme
the actual notification i see (from chrome notifications) is https://ben.thatmustbe.me/image/uploaded/notification.png
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tantek
great - please screenshot that, perhaps cropped to the top left just enough to include the comments from Kevin Marks and Kyle Mahan, and post that screenshot to your site
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll work up a post in a bit with these images
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tantek
could you improve the Chrome notification to have the same info as your /activity page?
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: when you click on the Chrome notification, does it switch to Chrome and load your https://ben.thatmustbe.me/activity page?
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@dietrich
@t @IndieWebCamp There's no link in your tweet - slash removed intentionally to prevent Twitter shortlinking?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, yes, chrome is technically what is receiving the notifications, so it just opens a new window
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ben_thatmustbeme
its been really unstable, they just added notifications recently
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ben_thatmustbeme
well, notifications that run from a service worker anyway
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gRegorLove
Morning, indieweb
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@t
Precisely @dietrich. Tweet copies have a link at the end only when there’s more. E.g. links for prev: * ... http://tantek.com/2015/194/t2/copies-link-only-when-more
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ben_thatmustbeme
looks like chrome 44 actually supports data being send to the notification, so once i get that ability, new things will happen
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tantek
that’s good to document - the newness of the support of web notifications, and why the notification itself does not say anything more
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: survey question, if hfeed2atom provided an API so that you could generate a link to Atom version of your homepage would you use it to provide a traditional feed?
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ben_thatmustbeme
well i guess you could do the notifications themselves for a while. i jumped on when i could get notifications without my browser being open (chrome technically running in the background with a service worker for receiving notifications)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll put this all in my post
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@easyaspython
django-webmention: Receive and manage webmentions on your Django-powered blog. In early stages – please break. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.2
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: made some improvements for myself and took a screenshot
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ben_thatmustbeme
can alight nicely with video, includes Amy's like that aaronpk dismissed as an edit
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@Coopsess
RT @easyaspython: django-webmention: Receive and manage webmentions on your Django-powered blog. In early stages – please break. https://t.…
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@cool_python
RT @easyaspython: django-webmention: Receive and manage webmentions on your Django-powered blog. In early stages – please break. https://t.…
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@dissolve333
Congrats to everyone on a successful IndieWebCamp 2015. Lots of great work done including our first SWAT0… (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/7/13/1/)
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aaronpk
GOOD MORNING
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ben_thatmustbeme
eep! capslock attack
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aaronpk
i'm just excited about SWAT0
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bret
sorry i missed ground control yesterday evening!
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bret
i had some duties at home i need to take car eof
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, i still have a number of improvements to make to my notifications system
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ben_thatmustbeme
just improved the look a bit
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ben_thatmustbeme
its all placeholder until chrome 44 where i can send data
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ben_thatmustbeme
and don't need a page
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tantek
aaronpk: it’s a CAPSLOCK kind of day, and likely to be week :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i suspect aaronpk will quickly find a need to limit notification amounts now
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aaronpk
gonna need to type SWAT0 a lot, so might as well leave capslock on all the time
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bret
aaronpk: i think I left my coffee mug at Esri
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bret
can i come grab that today?
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bret
its either in richer or on the AC in the main room i htink
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bret
or somewhere else but i think there
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bret
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk
bret: I don't see it
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bret
hrmmm
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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ben_thatmustbeme
testing some updates to my push notificaitons
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ben_thatmustbeme
can someone else like a post of mine
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ben_thatmustbeme
or comment or something
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indie-visitor
nick mali
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ben_thatmustbeme
indie-visitor: you need the /
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bret
aaronpk: might be in the other side rooms too
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bret
im not totally sure though
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ben_thatmustbeme
thanks aaronpk.. hmmm, i broke something on myself
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malimarl
Have just read a blog about indieweb. I was interested but even at the first step this all looks very technical. Not a clue what i'm doing. Just liked the idea of having my own web 'space' rather than relying on usual social media.
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KartikPrabhu
malimarl: take a look at withknows
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KartikPrabhu
what is withknown?
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Loqi
Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indiewebcamp.com/withknown
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malimarl
Thank you KarikPrabhu. I will.
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kylewm
malimarl: if you want to go more DIY, take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started ... it's intended to be as beginner-friendly and non-jargony as possibly. if there are bits that could be improved, that would be helpful feedback for us
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malimarl
Cool. Thanks kylewm.
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malimarl
Oh actually that was the place I started from which told me to come here! Don't want to be going round in circles, but I do need to read the two given links further. I'll put some time aside to view and get back to you. So is this thing in development or is it actually up and working?
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: I dont' *think* I'd use hfeed2atom as a service. scary to lose control over kinda a key piece of infrastructure
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aaronpk
i don't think he was suggesting using it as a service
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aaronpk
it could be used as a library instead
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tantek
malimarl: Known is fully up and working - go signup at http://withknown.com/ !
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malimarl
Ok. Thank you. Still don't have a clue what i'm doing but will get there. Still utterly confused on what this is all about. I need to put some time aside to read the links you gave me. I'll do that.
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: I was suggesting it as a service, sort of like kylewm's mf2py endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme
one more time, a like or comment or something on a post of mine someone?
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aaronpk
oh, well I wouldn't recommend using it as a service :P
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme looks like kylewm’s comment is triplicated here: https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/7/12/7/#comments - any idea why?
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KartikPrabhu
gotcha! I made a endpoint with text-area entry though https://kartikprabhu.com/hfeed2atom doesn't work on most feeds yet since I built it with my homepage feed but will keep on improving
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ben_thatmustbeme
not yet. one of them i know, he sent a salmention and my somehow it slipped past the checks for it being just an edit
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ben_thatmustbeme
i don't know why it would have processed the other time
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malimarl
How do I log out of here. Do I just close the window. I can't see a log out button anywhere.
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: ben_thatmustbeme you can wm yourself, right?
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ben_thatmustbeme
possibly because i shortened the cron job so much
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ben_thatmustbeme
snarfed. good point DUH
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: Feed validator isn't liking the generated feed, FYI https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Fatom
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gRegorLove
What is hfeed2atom?
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malimarl
How do I quit now? Anyone?
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aaronpk
you can just close the window
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KartikPrabhu
malimarl: if you are on the web client chat just close the window
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: urgh XML and its stupid "validation" requirements. It does work as a feed though ;)
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gRegorLove
Depending on the consumer, of course. :)
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malimarl
I just know I came here by clicking on a link. I don't know what web client chat is. I'll just close the window. Looks like i've got one hell of a lot to learn.
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Loqi
xml has -12 karma
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gRegorLove
Feel free to ask questions if it's overrwhelming, malimarl
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tommorris
KartikPrabhu: I'm tempted to integrate it directly into mf2py at some point, along with tools for converting h-card into vCard and h-event into iCalendar
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aaronpk
tommorris: I don't think putting that kind of logic into the parsing library is a good idea, better to have as a separate library IMO
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tantek
agreed with aaronpk
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tommorris
mf2tools ;-)
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malimarl
It is! But I don't want to look an idiot. Already feeling overwhelmed and at a loss. Have no idea what anyone's talking about. I think I need to read those links. :) Tatty bye for now.
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tantek
sounds good
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aaronpk
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
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kylewm
tommorris: you're welcome to add stuff to mf2util if you want
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tantek
malimarl: have a great day! welcome back any time.
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tommorris
malimarl: sorry, a lot of us are working on our own stuff. I hope you don't feel like the community is alienating
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tommorris
malimarl: if there's issues with the wiki or there's stuff that doesn't make sense, I think most of us here want to try and make that better.
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@Nirylis
Vigil@nce - WordPress Indieweb Post Kinds : Cross Site Scripting: Ce bulletin a été rédigé par Vigil@nce : htt... http://www.globalsecuritymag.fr/Vigil-nce-WordPress-Indieweb-Post,20150713,54346.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: should add mf2 input (with atom output) to <https://granary-demo.appspot.com/> too
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malimarl
No. I just need to find out what it's all about. I liked the stuff in the blog about indieweb, but it seems so technical. I'm not a techy, not by a long shot. I'll read the links and come back and visit. At the moment I have no clue what this is all about.
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loqi.me
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: (to the demo, that is, since the lib does it)
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: diversity++
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ben_thatmustbeme
hah, i found the service worker debug settings in chrome now... much easier this way
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bret
snarfed, people got a kick out of huffduff video in the podcasting session
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kylewm
diversity++ proxy vote for snarfed
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Loqi
diversity has 3 karma
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gRegorLove
That was some sweet magic, snarfed + bret
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bret
snarfed, what if you used http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt to host the files indefinately instead of 30 days on s3?
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bret
does youtube-dl + ffmpeg produce reproducible files? e.g. could a cache the hash of the output to prevent duplication?
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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bret
or doh... just compare the video ID from youtube or whategver
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@hs0ucy
RT @krynsky: Forget Ello. We need to support #indieweb friendly apps that are open source, de-centralized & can be self-hosted like @withkn
(twitter.com/_/status/620649067245387776)
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tantek
old thread
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tantek
and Ello is basically blank w/o JS
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tantek
so they’re dead to history
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tantek
hey welcome benwerd!
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: thanks bret, glad people liked huffduff-video!
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benwerd
Good morning!
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 1 hour ago: really need you to take a look at this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10#t1436575014809 and please followup with: 1) feedback on my comments markup, 2) document your own on the wiki. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436718176490
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 7/12 at 1:47pm: for your review, updated how to markup comments when you put them on your posts: http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#How_to_markup http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436734035118
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: it's definitely de-duped since the beginning
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tantek
haha well that’s a bit late :) though do take a look and see what we settled on
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tantek
I’m thinking of moving the dt-published and u-url link into the main example
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tantek
to encourage people to link back to comment permalinks
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aaronpk
oh I was going to mention that
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tantek
which?
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aaronpk
"moving the dt-published and u-url link into the main example"
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aaronpk
in order to support SWAT0 you need a unique identifier for each comment to know if you've seen it before
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aaronpk
URL is the easiest obviously
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tantek
good poing
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tantek
s/poing/point
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: good point
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aaronpk
otherwise... messy messy
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tantek
benwerd, I heard a rumor you were adding salmentions support to Known!
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benwerd
cool; I did add comment markup this weekend, and included u-url (we already have unique URLs for each comment)
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benwerd
tantek: yes. I got 90% of the way there. Just need to accept incoming salmentions
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: bret: internet archive's file hosting looks interesting! I'm not familiar with their policies... do you think it'd be appropriate? hdv currently generates ~200GB/mo
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benwerd
Known core already does the bouncing of the webmention upstream, and has the comment markup
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aaronpk
interesting thing I noticed about implementing salmentions... you actually need to store state
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aaronpk
you need to know what was on the page the first time you saw it when the "update" webmention comes in
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aaronpk
at a bare minimum you need the URLs of all the comments/likes/etc that were there last time
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tantek
now also documenting whys since you mentioned that
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rhiaro
You also need the contents of the comments/etc right? In case an update mention comes from one of them changing?
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rhiaro
s/changing/being updated
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Loqi
rhiaro meant to say: You also need the contents of the comments/etc right? In case an update mention comes from one of them being updated?
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aaronpk
heh true
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aaronpk
if you want a notification that says "amy updated a comment on a photo you were tagged in"
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aaronpk
right now I only look for new comments
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rhiaro
Not just for notifying, but for generally updating people's caches, assuming people are storing all this stuff not pulling it every time someone looks at it
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tantek
wow I’ve never seen that notification but you certainly could implement it
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aaronpk
oh yeah sure
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snarfed
bret: aha, hdv probably couldn't upload files to archive.org because copyright: http://archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content
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snarfed
was a good idea though
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rhiaro
"aaron updated a comment on amy's comment on a photo you were tagged in"
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rhiaro
when does it end..? :)
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tantek
rhiaro: when you stop coding ;)
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aaronpk
commentupdateception
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rhiaro
When there's no space left on your phone screen for notification text
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rhiaro
Interesting way of keeping you informed about reach
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tantek
btw if you check the # SWAT0 hashtag on Twitter, and try to follow all the old links to people claiming support for it, or videos of it, they’re all dead
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tantek
the youtube video is gone
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tantek
the statusnet blog post permalinks are all 404
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snarfed
youtube video is gone?!
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snarfed
wonder why
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rhiaro
Has someone indieposted the youtube video demo from the weekend?
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aaronpk
i might be able to do that later today
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tantek
rhiaro: I think aaronpk is trimming the video from the demos
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aaronpk
i have the raw footage before it went to youtube so i'm gonna trim it from that
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aaronpk
good idea indie posting that one ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
feels motivated to fix up a whole bunch of stuff now
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aaronpk
me too
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ben_thatmustbeme
i also want to be able to be roll B as well
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tantek
s/roll/role
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snarfed
hack day hangover refactoring
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aaronpk
i need to add people tags next
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: you’re definitely not B-roll in this crowd ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
no tantek, i actually want to be a dinner food
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rhiaro
I need to get on my incoming webmentions displya!
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rhiaro
Then I want notifications
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aaronpk
my improved notifications have been amaaazing already
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aaronpk
so much nicer to get meaningful notifications instead of just URLs :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
i need to wait for chrome 44 to roll out. they are adding ability to send data to the service worker now
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ben_thatmustbeme
so i'll be able to do proper notifications
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rhiaro
There are a coulpe of notification thingys for android, but I would also consider just sending myself an email
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aaronpk
rhiaro: i'd recommend looking at something like Pushover
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aaronpk
so you get real push notifications that you can customize a little btter
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rhiaro
Cool, thanks. I googled it briefly and noticed a few hoptions
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tantek.com
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tantek
aaronpk done ^^^
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aaronpk
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 217 karma
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aaronpk
tantek++ for using different TLDs in the example! jane.example.com and kim.example.net
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tantek
you know it!
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rhiaro
great, thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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rhiaro
bookmarks
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tantek
benwerd did you see that someone shipped a Known plugin yesterday @IndieWebCamp for multi-user support with different users having different color themes?
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benwerd
tantek: I did not and now I want to. That's amazing
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, everyone thinks i'm you all the time
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benwerd
We are both called Ben, to be fair
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benwerd
It's a fairly high cognitive load.
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benwerd
People keep assuming I'm benward, so we continue to pay it forward.
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tantek
we are strong in the bens here @IndieWebCamp
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ben_thatmustbeme
considers getting ben.thatmustbe.us and just having it poll any indiewebber named ben and be a syndication of them all
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aaronpk
hahaha
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tantek
well now that you’ve dropped the domain in IRC you better go get it
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tantek
you can make it a group blog of all the IndieWeb Bens
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tantek
I think there might even be some indieweb software that supports multi-user ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
.us does not allow whois privacy though :/
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benwerd
if only .ben was a tld
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tantek
big.ben
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kylewm
it's like a Highlander thing but instead of beheading each other, you just get higher visibility on Twitter
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benwerd
literally my nickname growing up ;'(
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benwerd
high school maybe not so full of the creativity.
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd: same here....
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benwerd
an army of bens named after giant bells.
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ben_thatmustbeme
gentle ben came up from my parents. most people didn't know that show anymore
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benwerd
I think that's a much nicer comparison. Friendly bears ftw.
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kylewm
Gentle Ben worked at the home depot near me, huge guy, worked in the paint department
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seekr
with so many bens, perhaps a better nick would be ben_thatMAYbe me :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
sorry i had to run out on the demos there
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ben_thatmustbeme
had to bring the baby to the ER
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ben_thatmustbeme
turned out to be just something viral, but the way she was breathing the pediatrician said to go to the ER
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snarfed
pediatricians++
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Loqi
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snarfed
99% of things parents think are a big deal, the pediatrician says nope, it's fine
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snarfed
but when the pediatrician says it's a big deal…then yeah
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snarfed
glad she's ok ben!
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seekr
me too, ben - "better safe than sorry," eh?
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tantek
hey what happened to the IndieAuth status on http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth ?
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aaronpk
moved to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth.com since it was indieauth.com specific
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tantek
oh man - confusing everyone who used to look for it
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tantek
y no forwarding link?
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benward
@benwerd At this point I just have a disambiguation second on my about page: https://benward.uk/about
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@bitin
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benwerd
benward: Just saw your Jekyll commit. I apologize once again for my username choice.
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aaronpk
tantek: feel free to add a link on the /IndieAuth page if you think it's appropriate
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tantek
ok will do
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aaronpk
this is part of my goal to help keep indieauth.com separate from the idea of IndieAuth
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tantek
benward++
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Loqi
benward has 2 karma
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aaronpk
wishing I had picked a real name for indieauth.com tho heh
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tantek
ok I’m on it
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tantek
aaronpk - perhaps time to update the site header to point to Edinburgh?
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aaronpk
ah yes
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aaronpk
snarfed++ just got your comment as a notification :)
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Loqi
snarfed has 113 karma
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Loqi
yay!
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aaronpk
thinking about publishing this list of notifications somewhere people can see them
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tantek
like ben_thatmustbeme’s?
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aaronpk
kind of, but just the notification text and a link, rather than trying to render an author h-card and everything
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aaronpk
i already have http://aaronparecki.com/mentions but it would be like a plaintext version of that
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tantek.com
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snarfed
aaronpk: out of curiosity, do you only get salmentioned comments? not likes?
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snarfed
i guess that depends on whether ben_thatmustbeme (et al) propagate likes, reposts, etc too
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aaronpk
s/propagate/display
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aaronpk
only comments right now, cause I only had 2.5 hours to work on it yesterday :)
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aaronpk
ben already displays likes with markup, so as soon as I add support for looking for new likes explicitly I'll have those notifications too
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snarfed
er, sorry, i meant whether you get notifs of thewm
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snarfed
aha, ok. ignore me, poor reading comprehension today :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, anyone know benward's URL?
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benward
benward.uk
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kylewm
I was amused to learn about https://benword.com/ (in the Wordpress community)
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: would be cool on https://ben.thatmustbe.me/activity if the photo interactions showed a thumbnail of your photo after the text “on a photo"
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tantek
same size as the facepic earlier on the line
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ben_thatmustbeme
I have thought about that
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I updated http://tantek.com/2015/193/t2/user-flow-permalinks-indieweb-swat0 to embed your notifications screenshots and link to your activity page
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd: benward benatkin check out http://ben.thatmustbe.us
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ben_thatmustbeme
random redirect
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benwerd
That's awesome
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seekr
any time someone's feeling the need of a ben, s/he can just hit this site - instant gratification! :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd: i'll make some sort of system for pulling in everyone's posts to one stream later
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GWG
tantek, zachdonovan may have some bigger issues
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ben_thatmustbeme
or... we can do micropub chaining
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GWG
I think that HWC in NYC may need at least one more regular
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tantek
GWG, no problem - if you think it’s not going to happen this week, feel free to remove the “New York” entries from this week’s HWC wiki page.
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GWG
I think I need to regroup again
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@benward
Finally a scalable solution to Ben collisions in the indieweb community: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/620677272781991936
(twitter.com/_/status/620677883233566720)
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ben_thatmustbeme
HAHAHA benwerd
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tantek
benwerd++ lololol
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tantek
what is lulz
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Loqi
benwerd has 80 karma
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seekr
sounds like a very ben-official solution
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benwerd
Wait, shouldn't that be benward++ ..?
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benwerd
so confused
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tantek
benward++
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme++ for making it
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Loqi
benward has 3 karma
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 97 karma
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benward
We've determined that it doesn't matter.
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benwerd
ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi
slow down!
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GWG
tantek: As anti social as it is maybe one of the other IWCs will talky me in.
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snarfed
lol right
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tantek
sounds like it was a benspiracy
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benward
Loqi-Bot needs to learn to accept `ben++` and randomly distribute karma to any of us.
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benward
This works out very well for me, as the most idle Ben in the group.
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tantek.com
edited /lulz (+51) "ben.thatmustbe.us"
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tantek
benward are you still on a custom Jekyll setup on benward.me?
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ben_thatmustbeme
also note that i can make any other <name>.thatmustbe.us
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tantek
do we have any other duplicate first names?
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme Can I reserve one?
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benward
Yep. Well… actually a fairly standard jekyll set-up with some plugins and other egregious ruby hacks.
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tantek
bret - what’s the latest set of indieweb plugins etc. for Jekyll?
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, sure, you want david or dave?
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ben_thatmustbeme
get me a list of URLs
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: you should just do it for all the first names on /irc-people :P
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bret
its not jekyll specific, any static site can use it
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: David.
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tantek
you know - this could actually be useful if when curled it returned a list of h-cards of all the people in indieweb with that first name
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tantek
then you could use it person-name-typing auto-suggest/auto-complete
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bret
gitpub is a separate thing that is still being made generally useful
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bret
eg falcon or p3k status ;)
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bret
i've been implementing the pieces that make up git pub individually, thats what the bearer token module is apart of that I worked on yesterday
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aaronpk
oh no did ben_thatmustbeme just get indie-sniped into making something useful with a joke domain?
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snarfed
only if he does it!
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: actually i was thinking about just doing it for all urls on irc-people
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ben_thatmustbeme
and have indie.thatmustbe.us
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ben_thatmustbeme
or indieweb.thatmustbeus
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/beus/be.us
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: or indieweb.thatmustbe.us
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: ind.ie.thatmustbe.us :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, maybe i'll put it on lookup.thatmustbe.us i'm on shared hosting so I can't really do dynamic subdomains to easily
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tantek
right
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ben_thatmustbeme
lookup.thatmustbe.us/ben
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snarfed
rootdomain++
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Loqi
rootdomain has 1 karma
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aaronpk
hey there are some screenshots of identica and buzz https://www.flickr.com/search/?tags=swat0
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aaronpk
or are those just mockups?
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KevinMarks_
heh, tantek getting spam from the CEO of t-mobile
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@JohnLegere
Hmmmmm should I wear these tomorrow on TV to show @T-Mobile or Magenta Chucks? https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/618938429259313152/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/618938429259313152)
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tantek
I don’t even
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benwerd
Now I want Known shoes
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gRegorLove
Known: Just Post It
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bret
its your call @t ;)
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gRegorLove
Haha. You should reply seriously.
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gRegorLove
Suggest shoes with an IWC logo instead
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ben_thatmustbeme
now up.. david.thatmustbe.us
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tantek
KevinMarks - that Flickr diagram by Chris led me down a rabbithole to this 2010 SWAT0 discussion in an email list (google group), where benwerd is prominent: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/federated-social-web/zXamWQCbHI4/mFFyabdv3IsJ
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benwerd
Really?!
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tantek
yes the photo caption links to that email thread
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tantek
note the token anti-social participant in a federated *social* web group who ends up getting moderated by Evan
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benwerd
Well. Filed under "conversations I forgot I'd had".
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aaronpk
heh "I'm specifically not diagramming photo tagging here because I want the
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aaronpk
goal to be achievable."
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ben_thatmustbeme
wait, what??
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aaronpk
so much for that
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benwerd
indieweb++
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Loqi
indieweb has 5 karma
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tantek
basically, no one had figured out how to actually do all that back then
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tantek
nevermind on a mobile device, nevermind with push notifications
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kylewm
anti-social guy also invoked the odious "so easy your mom can use it"
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tantek
and the moderation of that thread killed the thread
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tantek
benwerd - how close do you think Known is to implementing all of player A, B, or C’s implementation needs? http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0#implementation_requirements
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Jeena
is it because of https?
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Jeena
and I guess this is the same problem aaronpk has with my website
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aaronpk
pin13.net is on the same server as my website
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Jeena
ok, then it is the same problem
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aaronpk
one day I will move my website to my new server and it won't be a problem anymore :)
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Jeena
I just wanted to show to a friend how easy it is to parse microformats and then it was empty :p
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ben_thatmustbeme
feel like reading a random indiewebber's site? indieweb.thatmustbe.us now live!
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tantek
that’s kind of amazing
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ben_thatmustbeme
indie.thatmustbe.us also works
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tantek
what is thatmustbe.us?
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aaronpk
that's great haha
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ben_thatmustbeme
need to get benwerd to do that with known sites
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kylewm
indiewebring!! sorta
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 98 karma
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tantek
indiewebroulette
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ben_thatmustbeme
ohh, close to breaking in to triple digit karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll work out doing the whole lookup service later
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: ben_thatmustbeme++ fantastic
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Zegnat
ben_thatmustbeme++ for indiewebroulette
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 99 karma
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giudici.us
created /Template:theguice (+144) "attempt at adding template for {{theguice}}"
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: just read your arrow of time article finally
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aaronpk
did I miss something or is it mostly positive towards the decisions I made about navigation? i thought you said you were worried I might be offended about being picked on!
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tantek
just saw KartikPrabhu’s question from this morning
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tantek
re: if hfeed2atom provided an API so that you could generate a link to Atom version of your homepage would you use it to provide a traditional feed? - note my Atom feed has Atom/XML + AS/Atom so there’s probably more work to do there
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: aah ok :P I am haivng trouble getting the XML valid i the first place :P
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tantek
I sympathize
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tantek
also my Atom/XML feed uses various edge features of the Atom 1.0 spec, just to see if legacy feed readers actually implement Atom 1.0 or if they’re just scraping
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: your navigation is consistent, even though I really think of any website as a reverse-chrnological book. SO to me "right to the past" makes more sense
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aaronpk
huh, i did not get that impression after reading the article lol
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: i spent a fair amount of effort getting granary's atom right. html-inside-xml, cdata, etc. feel free to steal anything: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/templates/user_feed.atom , https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/atom.py
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snarfed
(including testing that various readers render it right)
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: so it would be nice if you added "older" and "newer" words to the post permalink navigation too like your feed navigation
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: neat! thanks.
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aaronpk
ah yeah
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snarfed
nothing's ever easy :|
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KartikPrabhu
except eggs
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KartikPrabhu
oh wait "ever easy" not "over easy"
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: nice list of so many examples! https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/webs-arrow-time
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tantek
I’d say you’ve demonstrated there is no clear majority opinion on this matter
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KartikPrabhu
thanks :) that is why I am confused. there is no consensus
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tantek
and that makes it interesting and worthy of study & further analysis
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KartikPrabhu
most worrying is that HTML5 rel-next/prev only says next/prev in a series
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aaronpk
yeah taht was interesting
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KartikPrabhu
so for example if a reader wanted to provide links to the next or prev post then rel seems useless
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tantek
right, logical next/prev, not physical ;)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: “the series” is up to the publishing site to define ;)
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tantek
so a reader could just define that as the series of posts in its stream
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KartikPrabhu
right so on a reverse-chrono blog next = older but on a web-book next = future chapter
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KartikPrabhu
but somehow on a youtube playlist "next" = "older" video which I might have already watched :P
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paulproteus
ben_thatmustbeme: ..are you Ben Werd? (-:
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tantek
checks http://aaronparecki.com/ for an IndieWebCamp 2015 Portland group photo :)
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paulproteus
If so, hello (-:
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Zegnat
who is ben_thatmustbeme?
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Loqi
Ben Roberts Is a sysadmin and developer at a small company in Boston, MA who dreams of world domination https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Ben.thatmustbe.me
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paulproteus
Ah ha. Shucks.
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tantek
paulproteus: who is benwerd?
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Zegnat
There are a lot of Bens, that was a matter of discussion earlier actually ;)
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Zegnat
who is benward?
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tantek
I don’t know if benward has ever signed in with IndieAuth
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Zegnat
Well, Loqi doesn’t know about him :(
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Loqi
is done
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benward
Plausibly not. It's been a while.
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Zegnat
Loqi should learn about all the Bens
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aaronpk
ben can make that happen
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: BTW, Push Notifications are enabled by default in Firefox 40 (current Firefox Beta) if you want to try that out
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tantek
curious about how that works for you vs. Chrome’s support
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bret
ohh cool
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ben_thatmustbeme
ohh, really?
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bret
the problem i have now is that I get like 2 notifications from safari or chrome
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bret
and now ill get 3 w ff
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ben_thatmustbeme
i really need to work out the code to unify them, so to make sure i get a them synchronized
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tantek
it’s like setting 3 alarms to make sure you get up
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ben_thatmustbeme
i did it once manually
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bret
im gonna have to decide which one I use for push
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bret
lol tantek
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tantek
ok I’m going to update /SWAT0 steps to reflect ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk, and kylewm as the three players since they all did it with code they wrote themselves
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tantek
any objections?
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tantek
KevinMarks technically commented before kylewm did, but using kylewm’s reader.kylewm.com, to post to benwerd’s Known at known.kevinmarks.com
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tantek
and I think they came in the same minute anyway?
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tantek
I figured “more selfdogfoody” was a reasonable “tie breaker"
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ben_thatmustbeme
Sorry KevinMarks_ KevinMarks KevinMarks1 KevinMarks2
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ben_thatmustbeme
whichever one is the real you right now
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ben_thatmustbeme
who started salmentions anyway? I think that was a big key piece we had needed
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ben_thatmustbeme
definitely helped a lot
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Zegnat
acegiak, I think, coined salmentions?
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ben_thatmustbeme
looks like its was acegiak and kylewm
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tantek
citation there for the post where acegiak first used the term salmentions
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tantek
and if you look up to 2014 you’ll see reference to salmon-like
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tantek
also from acegiak
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tantek
the comment propagation concept was first introduced by Sandeep Shetty in 2013
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tantek
(same guy that came up with webmention)
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tantek
(who no-one here has met yet AFAIK)
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Zegnat
(to be honest, this is the first time I hear about Sandeep, I think)
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ben_thatmustbeme
he is our Satoshi Nakamoto haha
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mattepp
Can anyone confirm that that indiewebcamp.com is telling me the truth that Homebrew Website Club is on for this Wednesday in Portland?
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aaronpk
it is!
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mattepp
fab!
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mattepp
See you there. :)
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aaronpk
the nice thing about the wiki is nothing is automatic, so there's no way to accidentally create recurring events :)
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mattepp
cool, gtk
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mattepp
I finally got around to doing the rel=me thing today. :)
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mattepp
took seconds, just needed to make it a priority
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tantek
mattepp++
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Loqi
mattepp has 1 karma
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mattepp
ooh thanks!
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TysonNW
Does anyone know of a known channel? I am troubleshooting some connection db issues.
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aaronpk
I think it's #knownchat
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tantek
updates /SWAT0 with description of the flag planters (as it were)
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aaronpk
tantek++ awesome
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Loqi
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tantek.com
edited /timeline (+264) "/* 2015 */ first SWAT0 triple implementation"
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tantek
thanks aaronpk!
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tantek
you all did the hardwork ;)
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aaronpk
at least 1/3 of it anyway :P
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bret
mattepp++
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bret
cool welcome
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Loqi
mattepp has 2 karma
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tantek
ok /SWAT0 updated
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tantek
now for some Etherpad -> wiki archiving
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tantek
is processing his open tabs
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tantek.com
edited /2015/Microformats_as_the_Database (+1337) "archived from etherpad"
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
created /2015/Germany/Micropub-Apps (+957) "archived from etherpad"
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tantek.com
edited /2015/Germany/Schedule (+42) "create link to page for archiving micropub notes"
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tantek
and with that I’ve archived THREE micropub sessions that happened to use the same Etherpad (Germany, Brighton, Portland)
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bret
ncie
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tantek
I figured best to archive the whole Etherpad
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GWG
No photos of Indiewebcamp yet?
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^ ;)
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GWG
tantek: Brighton or Portland
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GWG
tantek: I am trying to decide if I should document the book chat
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tantek
Portland
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@kylewmahan
no language can touch PHP for one-off jokey domains like https://indiewebcat.com/ and http://fatberg.org/
(twitter.com/_/status/620695241767530496)
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GWG
tantek: I didn't see Brighton on the wiki
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tantek
Brace yourself, the Bridgy invitation flood is coming (for this week’s HWC SF)
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tantek
s/yourself/yourselves
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: Brace yourselves, the Bridgy invitation flood is coming (for this week’s HWC SF)
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GWG
tantek: My question about talky is still unanswered
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tantek
I missed it
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kylewm
that's really funny that Loqi expanded my tweet from indieweb.thatmustbe.us to indiewebcat.com
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tantek
that was so weird
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kylewm
i wonder if he's been seeing different versions of that tweet for the last couple hours :P
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GWG
tantek: Any chance I could watch a West Coast HWC?
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tantek
GWG - totally possible!
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tantek
just need to ping on IRC
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tantek
there we go
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tantek
coffee break time!
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