#indiewebcamp 2015-07-12

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KartikPrabhu
ha! lol my atom feed is dead again!
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: speak of the devil! we were just talking about that
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KartikPrabhu
I think it has been dead for a few weeks and I never noticed it because I didn't post any articles!
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tjgillies_
I'm thinking about building an indiewebsite in Elixir
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KartikPrabhu
this has happened to me quite a few times
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KartikPrabhu
should use granary to make h-feed to atom
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KartikPrabhu
should a page send webmentions if the mentioned URL does not have a protocol in it? as in "//aaronparecki.com/" ?
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david.shanske.com
edited /IRC_People (+1) "/* Nicknames */"
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tantek
microformats for database (actually storage) in Riker
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: URL?
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Loqi
[mention] Tantek Çelik posted 'I was looking into adding some navigation links to my post feed/archive pages, when I ran into an old confusion of mine. The Web has a compl...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-04#t1435996741022 (http://tantek.com/2011/102/t2/navigation-arrows-back-past-forward-future-ui-pattern)
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KartikPrabhu
it picked up the author and u-url of the h-cite inside my h-entry!
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cuibonobo
hey there!
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cuibonobo
what's with all this etherpad stuff? is the wiki moving?
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aaronpk
no, we use etherpad for taking notes during sessions, better for group editing quickly
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aaronpk
afterwards, we copy the content from etherpad to the wiki
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aaronpk
onto the individual session pages
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cuibonobo
oooh! so there's an event going on. very cool idea.
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tantek
etherpad is better for realtime collaborative note taking
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tantek
cuibonobo: yes! and sometimes even live on talky
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cuibonobo
what is talky?
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loqi.me
created /talky (+21) "prompted by cuibonobo https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-11/line/1436664360815 and dfn added by aaronpk"
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aaronpk
really? no talky.io page?
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tantek
bear?
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torrorist
any talky live streams i can watch right now?
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cuibonobo
seems like talky has a hard limit on the number of people that can participate
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cuibonobo
it's more like a video chat than a streaming service
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: i don't know what webmention you were talking about
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ben_thatmustbeme
the only recent webmentions from me would have been this one... twice
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ben_thatmustbeme
once from me, and once for the salmention
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GWG
No photo post yet?
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GWG
I also want to figure out how to brain dump the book discussion.
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KartikPrabhu
isn't the point of a "brain dump" to not think about how to do it?
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ben_thatmustbeme
I have a lot of logs to raff back I'm sure
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tjgillies_
sneak peek at phoenix webmentions: https://www.evernote.com/l/AALtbFK5Iv9NzaunylIL4gmnBx4t0wUiZ0w
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ben_thatmustbeme
reading back
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell tommorris h-as- has been getting removed form AS2
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell ShaneHudson_ i was trying to get the share intent working for mobilepub but it was having problems getting the data
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks
@anildash https://withknown.com/ because it integrates with social networks using #indieweb tech seamlessly
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@shivie
RT @kevinmarks: @anildash https://withknown.com/ because it integrates with social networks using #indieweb tech seamlessly
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seekr
Hi all - just awakened after a nap |-) - was awake during the Brighton event, but unable to see it, since Talky won't work for me - did better on the Portland event, since bret was kind enough to set up a uToob stream - but I was too tired at that point to be able to watch it, and went into sleep mode
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seekr
However, I was able to record most of that stream, and am willing to send it along to whoever might like to archive the file, assuming it's OK with bret and whoever else might need to be asked.
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seekr
I'm hoping that someone in Brighton might be able to do something similar to what bret did, so there's a possibility of capturing and archiving the video - and to make it more accessible during the event itself. I heard from ben_thatmustbeme that he was able to get only audio from the Talky feed, and suspect the same might have been true for others also.
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seekr
I'm wondering whether bret's video might have gotten auto-archived at uToob - I'm not able to play it using the link he gave yesterday - just get one of those spinny things, as if the server is trying to start the video - https://youtu.be/yJCtLhopfDY
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@Shoq
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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seekr
We heard ya the first time, Loqi. :)
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KevinMarks
my way of trolling tracking
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@Amacutnso
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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seekr
oh, KevinMarks
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seekr
any thoughts on what I wrote above, KevinMarks?
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seekr
I'm just watching the video now, and am doing screenshots of the opening frame of each presentation, so it will be easy later for someone to build an index that lets people go to a given segment, KevinMarks.
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seekr
(each screenshot frame is time-indexed in the filename)
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KevinMarks
not sure you can upload to the wiki, but internet archive could work
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seekr
glad you like the idea, KM
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seekr
I'll wait to hear from someone who has the server space - the MPG file is ~600 MB
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seekr
It could be converted to an MP4 or some such, ofc
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KevinMarks
internet archive will take it, though chopping into sessions may make more sense.
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seekr
should squeeze it down a bit - unless it's already comressed and isn't really an MPG
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seekr
I agree about the chopping, but am afraid I don't have the time to be the chopper :)
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seekr
At least, my screenshots could help such a person to find the break points
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@skippybkroo
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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@SandaBlue
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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bret
seekr: i think youtube recorded the intros at least
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bret
i will stream the post hack demos
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bret
then most interesting observed part of the conference imp
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bret
imo*
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@missb62
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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@everettharper
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp
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tjgillies_
I have the entire webmention process inside it's own indenpendant module for phoenix
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tjgillies_
independent*
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seekr
"its," tjgillies_ :)
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seekr
great!
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tjgillies_
seekr: sod off ;)
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seekr
just sayin'
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seekr
I'm new in these parts, tjgillies_ - can you give me a pointer to good sources of info about webmention and phoenix? I want to learn about the stuff being talked about this weekend to the extent possible, so I'll have some understanding of what folks are going on about. Thanks.
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tjgillies_
Theres a talk this weekend?
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seekr
there are TWO DAYS of events!
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seekr
in two places - Brighton England and Portland Oregon U.S.
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bret
cool tjgillies_ !
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tjgillies_
Oh bloody hell it's indie webcamp time
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tjgillies_
I didn't even realise LOL
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seekr
The Brighton sessions will pick up again in about four hours or so I think.
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tjgillies_
seekr: I used it right that time geeza ;)
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seekr
right you are tjgillies_!
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seekr
Unfortunately, I was unable to tune in to what was happening in Brighton except via this channel and Twitter since what was streamed was only via Talky as far as I know.
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tjgillies_
seekr: Phoenix is a webframework that is an Elixir clone of Rails.
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seekr
However, as I wrote above, I was able to capture most of what was streamed via uToob from Portland.
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tjgillies_
Elixir is a language that sits on the Erlang VM
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seekr
ah
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seekr
any good links to suggest? :)
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tjgillies_
The indiewebcamp wiki
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seekr
OK - I'll poke around.
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seekr
thanks for the phoenix link
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tantek
what is Phoenix?
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tantek
what is Elixir?
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tantek
what is Erlang?
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seekr
hmmm
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tjgillies_
what is t?
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Loqi
A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indiewebcamp.com/t
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tjgillies_
Why does t redirect to note?
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tjgillies_
I was 80% sure it was going to be about tantek
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seekr
broken algorithm, I reckon
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seekr
:)
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tjgillies_
The mental dissonance of this image is way too high: https://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-cambridge-sway.gif ;)
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seekr
Oooooooooooo - seriously weird! :P
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tjgillies_
what is slack?
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Loqi
Slack is a closed-source team communication tool similar to IRC https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack
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bret
tjgillies_: come hack tomorrow!
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bret
tjgillies_: we dont have to sway if you dont want to
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tjgillies_
I'm thinking about it
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KartikPrabhu
is already hacking a hfeed2atom
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tjgillies_
I have Esperanto around noonish
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tjgillies_
I could possibly skip it though since its every week
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tjgillies_
sed mi tre ŝatas mian esperanton ;)
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seekr
waves @ bret & wonders if he saw what I wrote a half hour ago or so
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seekr
ever seen that weird Esperanto flick starring Wm. Shatner and a bunch of good-looking gals?
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tjgillies_
I have in fact
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tjgillies_
Incubus
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seekr
yeah
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tantek
wonders that that has to do with #indieweb 8|
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tjgillies_
tantek: My esperanto meetup conflicts with me going to indiewebcamp
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tjgillies_
although the hours of indiewebcamp and the hours of esperanto do not entirely overlap
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@buyfocal
I bought something for $6 beer buyfocal, beer, indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/buyfocal/status/620096716788920320/photo/1
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KartikPrabhu
err wat? ^
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KartikPrabhu
oh I see it is anomalily
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tantek
post type specific POSSE!
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@amygdala
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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GWG
Morning, all
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seekr
mornin', GWG
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GWG
What is going on, seekr?
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seekr
just listening to some lively Romanian music & puttering - was in nap mode during the Portland events, but managed to capture bret's uToob stream, GWG - planning to watch ASAP, as much as possible prior to the start of Brighton events today
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GWG
I have to head to bed soon, but still trying to accomplish something before tomorrow.
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Loqi
[mention] Jeena posted 'Consider my mind blown. I kind of expected I would get to this Unconference and there would be a bunch of white young guys talking mostly ab...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/reader (/indiewebcamp-2015)
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seekr
ah - good luck - will you be awake for Brighton, GWG?
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GWG
seekr: I'll be lurking much of the day
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seekr
good - prolly see you 'round, then, GWG
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seekr
sweet dreams |-)
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu++ for hfeed2atom!
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 98 karma
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: thanks! :) I am fed up of my Atom feed messing up when I change some template thing elsewhere
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snarfed
totally
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snarfed
let me know if you want any help w/granary. (i already found an atom bug in 1.0 and pushed a fix in 1.0.1 just now)
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KartikPrabhu
oh I figured to not use granary afterall.
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KartikPrabhu
hfeed2atom does not need auth stuff so I skipped the big granary dependency
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KartikPrabhu
although I cloned granary locally to do automatic POSSE and such :)
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snarfed
makes sense
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snarfed
ah nice
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KartikPrabhu
future project
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snarfed
just fyi dependencies now come from pip, not submodules
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KartikPrabhu
yes much cleaner :P
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@jeena
The first day at the #IndieWebCamp was quite different to my expectations https… more at https://jeena.net/notes/367
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petermolnar
(mor|eve)ning
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seekr
timezone-appropriate greeting, petermolnar! (wee hrs of the morning here)
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seekr
ah, petermolnar - been wanting a word with ye after reading KevinMarks' notes on your session yesterday!
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petermolnar
I had an idea yesterday at one of the sessions: how about adding a DKIM implementation to webmentions for security?
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petermolnar
hit me :)
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seekr
I lack specific enough techie knowledge to comment on what you just said, but I'm curious as to your feelings about social networks, which I've been avoiding on philosophical grounds. Perhaps you have some better arguments, better-suited to expressing to others who are still caught in the grip of such networks.
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seekr
I just read the _Daily Beast_ article about Reddit and suspect that similar pieces could be done about others, including the ubiquitous Facebook (with dif'rent specific observations, of course).
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seekr
I'm working on a site where the people behind the radio programme associated with it are heading in the direction of getting more involved with Facebook, whereas I, as the techie, and the person with what I consider to be the greatest vision of the lot, want to go in exactly the opposite direction.
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seekr
thanks much - will do, petermolnar!
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petermolnar
not my writing, but it's the most complete summary of the why avoids
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petermolnar
on both philosophical and technical level
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seekr
good ammo for making my case, I'm sure
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seekr
of course you've seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk3I-a3CJdo petermolnar
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seekr
great!
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petermolnar
that's conspiracy level and I try to avoid those :)
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seekr
Well, it's satire - good fun, I say. :)
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seekr
But there's more than a "germ of truth" in it, I reckon.
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seekr
In other words, petermolnar, it matters not whether spooky organisations are actually behind Facebook, as some would contend - if they're able to use the information they collect in ways to which clients have not expressly agreed to and about which they're largely unaware, is that difference really an important one, one wonders.
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seekr
arggggh - seems the ~600 MB MPEG video file I captured from bret's uToob stream from Portland runs only just over an hour :(
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Loqi
aww, cheer up
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seekr
I guess it ran up until the lunch break (thanks, Loqi) - if there was a later stream, I missed it, being tired from trying (but failing) to connect with what happened in Brighton (which I'm fool enough to try again today - hoping they use a better streaming method than they did yesterday with Talky)
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seekr
Is there a list of presenters for yesterday's sessions? I was hoping the grid (or pointers therefrom) might have that info
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: indiewebcamps don't really have "presenters" it is more of a discussion type meet
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KartikPrabhu
successfully convert h-entry to Atom format now onto feeds
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petermolnar
presenters are the ones who did the self introduction in this case
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seekr
Well, KartikPrabhu, what I saw in the video stream bret did yesterday showed what looked to me like brief presentations followed by even briefer Q&As.
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KartikPrabhu
oh i see you mean the first-day demos
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seekr
I'd just like a list of the names of those who spoke and links to their sites.
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seekr
Since today's sessions appear to be working ones, I guess there's not much for the virtual audience to see - except maybe after they're finished hacking.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: yes I understand. somehow that has not been asked for before
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seekr
seems strange, dunnit? :)
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: yes there will be demos of what people hacked on in the end
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seekr
I think it's reasonable to want to learn more about what these various people are up to, and to get easy ways to connect with them and their efforts.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: as an example (and to toot my own horn) I demo-ed this https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia at the end of last year's IWC
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seekr
Thanks, KartikPrabhu - I'll take a look.
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seekr
It's a very interesting concept, your marginalia capturing & sharing system, whether for collaborative or purely personal efforts. Do you feel it's working well now? I'm wondering what building blocks you used, or whether it's more of a "ground up" effort.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: the building blocks are mentioned in that post :)
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KartikPrabhu
it is mostly building on some things invented here at by people
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seekr
ah - my quick skim missed that part, I guess - still reading, tho :)
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KartikPrabhu
it bootstraps webmention and fragmention to make marginalia
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KartikPrabhu
it works reasonably well now, but I am not very happy with the actual JS code. It needs some fixing
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KartikPrabhu
what is webmention?
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Loqi
Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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KartikPrabhu
what is fragmention?
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Loqi
A fragmention is an extension to URL syntax that links and cites a phrase within a document by using a URL fragment consisting of the phrase itself, including whitespace https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention
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seekr
thanks! as an utter newbie, I'm still learning the lingo ;)
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KartikPrabhu
that is why Loqi is the best :)
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seekr
I'm thinking that this sort of system could be very useful with regard to a project I'm woking on now.
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seekr
Yeah - Loqi sought to cheer me up a while ago - a real pal! :)
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KartikPrabhu
nice! let me know if you need help with using it
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seekr
ok - the main idea is that this sort of system might be better than and/or a useful adjunct to a web-based forum for commenting on and considering what is said during the course of radio interviews done by the organisation whose site I've been working on - they're a fairly backward lot technically (with the exception of one person who retired from her job at a university as a web developer (mostly in Java, I think))
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KartikPrabhu
I am not a big fan of forums personally. But marginalia.js is supposed to help comment on specific points
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seekr
My immediate struggle involves pulling them out of the clutches of social media operations like Facebook (which I tend to consider to be evil) and Twitter (which seems more benign) for such purposes.
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KartikPrabhu
the first step would be to get webmention working though
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KartikPrabhu
yes having your own site does help to do that part
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seekr
yeah - I'm thinking it would be the logical first step - only some of the shows have transcripts, which would be the obvious base for linking comments - those transcripts are represented as components within XML files, so it shouldn't be all that difficult to create some other form of document to serve as the anchor point for the comments bit
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KartikPrabhu
needs to update h-feed templates to get a good Atom
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seekr
I can install webmention on my own site and play with it.
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KartikPrabhu
XML seems pretty annoying to me, I would rather do HTML
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: yes good first step. helps you experiment
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seekr
Well, it's apples & oranges - they operate in different spaces, and are each well suited for the job they do.
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seekr
XML provides a data container, which is not possible in HTML.
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seekr
In fact, the XML files are used as the basis for creating HTML pages.
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seekr
Various items in the XML files are used for various purposes in the generation process.
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seekr
But it would be possible to write a simple script to extract from transcript-bearing XML files whatever is needed to generate documents suitable for use with your software.
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seekr
In fact, that process could proceed at the same time that pages for the site are being generated.
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seekr
That functionality could be incorporated into the page-generation process, in other words.
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seekr
If you have the time and interest, I can show you what I mean, KartikPrabhu - via PM.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: though I have interest I would definitely be lacking time. I am not actually a web-dev so catching up on other projects is pretty time-consuming for me
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seekr
understood - is your code open sourced or what?
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seekr
I wouldn't seek to involve you in any actual work, KartikPrabhu - only show you what I mean - but I can understand how you might want to know at this point. Certainly if your system were to be used, you'd be given appropriate credit and links.
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seekr
*you might NOT want to kjnow, that is :)
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KartikPrabhu
marginalia.js is open-source https://github.com/kartikprabhu/marginalia though admittedly it is pretty hacky code at the moment
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seekr
The more important question, KartikPrabhu, is whether it's stable and non-buggy. :)
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KartikPrabhu
that it is, I think :P I have been using it on my site for a year without a glitch
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KartikPrabhu
but to reiterate the MIT license on the code "WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER
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seekr
great! I'm looking forward to taking a closer look and to playing with it. I'm very glad I ran into you when I did, as this could be a very important component in my struggle.
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seekr
yeah - standard eula stuff
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KartikPrabhu
excelsior!
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seekr
Ever seen the Rocky & Bullwinkle "Excelsior" cartoon skit? :)
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KartikPrabhu
well now I wil :)
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seekr
:)
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seekr
The humour in that clip relies on "Stuffing material (as for furniture and mattresses) made of slender, curled wood shavings, as a substitute for hair. " from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/excelsior
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seekr
whereas, I realise, KartikPrabhu, yours relies on the primary original definition, from the Latin: "Loftier, yet higher; ever upward"
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KartikPrabhu
of course :)
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seekr
I wish you all the best in your further development efforts, and will eagerly track your progress!
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seekr
(and happily serve as a beta-tester, KartikPrabhu :) )
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@benjaminparry
[ ] IndieMark [ ] Microformats [ ] GitHub Pages > Self-host [ ] Webmentions [ ] Micropub [ ] POSSE Let's do this! @IndieWebCampUK 2015
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@IndieWebCampUK
RT @benjaminparry: [ ] IndieMark [ ] Microformats [ ] GitHub Pages > Self-host [ ] Webmentions [ ] Micropub [ ] POSSE Let's do this! @Indi
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@benjaminparry
@linuxluvr ~ There's notes from the discussions at the bottom of this page http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton or try the wiki on the same site.
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petermolnar
would anyone be up to implement a dkim-like signature header to webmentions today?
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rhiaro.co.uk
uploaded /File:group.jpg "IWC Brighton 2015"
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@IndieWebCampUK
#IndieWebCamp Brighton participants just starting to arrive for day two! And the photo from yesterday: https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampUK/status/620152756460982272/photo/1
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hardfire
on the news, i just started indifying my website, made it indieauth compatible. next steps is to look for a cheap and less-maintenance solution for POSSE and webmentions. \m/
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petermolnar
hardfire have you checked withknown.com ? you can't really get an easier solution
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hardfire
checks withknown
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tommorris
Known is pretty nice. They also have an IRC channel: #knownchat
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Loqi
tommorris: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 6 hours, 14 minutes ago: h-as- has been getting removed form AS2 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-11/line/1436669786237
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hardfire
does look pretty nice and quick solution. will give it a shot and udpate how it goes. Still thinking if i should use the SAAS version or just get a hosting and host it there.
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petermolnar
setting up known for a self-hosting environment used to be a bit tricky, especially that is like mongo better than mysql
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petermolnar
is the talky session supposed to be running?
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rhiaro
petermolnar: we're just sitting around all over the place, nowhere really obvious to point a acmera
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petermolnar
fair enough
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rhiaro
Stream will be back on for demos
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petermolnar
anything interesting going on beside the sitting around?
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rhiaro
Quiet mumbling
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rhiaro
Biscuits
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seekr
any chance of doing a uToobish stream, like bret did yesterday from Portland?
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rhiaro
I'll try something different fro the demos later, seekr
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petermolnar
rhiaro you've just summarized the United Kingdom :D
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seekr
great! - thanks, rhiaro
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rhiaro
petermolnar: haha, good point
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Loqi
nice
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seekr
little local humour there, I reckons :)
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petermolnar
seekr where in the world are you located?
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tommorris
is trying out known.
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@glennjones
Cannot make in for hacking day of @indiewebcamp brighton. Hope it goes well, would love to see a video of demos at the end of the day!
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@adactio
@glennjones @indiewebcamp Aw, shame you can’t make it. We’ll definitely be live-streaming the demos.
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@lewisnyman
I had a great time learning and chatting at @indiewebcamp yesterday. I'm missing out on the hack day but family calls https://twitter.com/lewisnyman/status/620174708819013632/photo/1
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JohnEllison
Does anyone know how to add themselves as a user to the IndieWebCamp website? Such as https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Mowens.com
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KartikPrabhu
JohnEllison: you need to log in using IndieAuth
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JohnEllison
I have logged in with IndieAuth
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KartikPrabhu
aah ok Let me look for how to make a User page then :P
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KartikPrabhu
do you have a url in mind?
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KartikPrabhu
like Johnellison.com ?
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JohnEllison
john-ellison.com would work fine
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KartikPrabhu
go there are clikc "Create"
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JohnEllison
Cheers Kartik. Thanks. Also, I've downloaded a local IRC client, can I use this same username on that client?
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KartikPrabhu
I think so. though IRC does not like if there are 2 user with the same name around
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KartikPrabhu
a good thing to do is use the same username with an underscore after it
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KartikPrabhu
that way Loqi, our resident bot recognises them as the same
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JohnEllison
Sounds good. Cheers.
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snarfed
morning Brighton!
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rhiaro
on behalf of Brighton, morning snarfed!
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snarfed
lol thanks
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snarfed
PSA for anyone hacking on anything today that integrates with silos (ie social networks): granary is a REST API and python lib that talks microformats2 (among other formats) to the silos
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: more like "time to sleep" Chicago ;)
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 99 karma
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snarfed
(it used to be called activitystreams-unofficial. also, it powers http://brid.gy/ )
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snarfed
happy hacking!
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KartikPrabhu
almost to a 100 karma internetz points!
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john-ellison.com
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rhiaro
snarfed++
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rhiaro
granary++
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Loqi
snarfed has 112 karma
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Loqi
granary has 3 karma
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KartikPrabhu
JohnEllison_: awesome design on your site
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JohnEllison_
Hey thanks Kartik. I appreciate that a lot. Just constantly trying to learn and improve.
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rhiaro.co.uk
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petermolnar
tommorris yesterday we talked about hashcash for webmentions; I would still rather go for something similar to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail
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petermolnar
also, I haven't spotted before, but there is an entry for ephemeral webmention endpoints on the wiki
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petermolnar
for protection factor
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paultibbetts.uk
edited /2015/Brighton (+470) "/* Participating */ added Paul Tibbetts and Hesam Bahrami"
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john-ellison.com
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tommorris
petermolnar: DKIM looks... complex. any chance you could set up webmentions brainstorming on the wiki and suggest some idea of how it would work? I'm happy to chuck in how you'd do it with Hashcash
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petermolnar
it is a bit complex :/
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petermolnar
( even for me, but I've done it for mail once already )
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petermolnar
especially that you need to fiddle with the DNS record
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tommorris
because hashcash is pretty easy
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tvn
Has anyone tried to install Known locally (today in Brighton)?
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tommorris
petermolnar: like `./hashcash -mb24 "https://petermolnar.eu/blips/werk-photos-of-blade-runner-models"`
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petermolnar
I did, a while ago, when it was beta ( and I'm not in Brighton :( )
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Anonymous111
How is the mini-conference going?
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petermolnar
that's definitely easier
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tommorris
then you just send &hashcash=[bla] with your webmention
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tommorris
if you aren't using hashcash, you ignore it
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tommorris
and if you are, you validate it
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petermolnar
... or you drop the webmention if it comes without a hashcash :)
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tommorris
or stick it in a moderation queue
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tommorris
then you could do something like publish your hashcash minimum bit level in your site
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petermolnar
( yes, I know, WordPress, shame on me )
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tommorris
<meta name="webmention-hashcash" content="24" />
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tommorris
hashing a 24-bit hashcash for a URL takes about 5 seconds on my MacBook Pro
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tommorris
about 2 seconds for a 23-bit one
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@IndieWebCampUK
RT @calum_ryan: #indiewebcamp live blog http://calumryan.com/blog/indiewebcamp1/ (bear with me catching up!)
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petermolnar
I don't know what is considered fine in this case; how does a small vps appliance compare to a macbook pro in cpu?
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell seekr did I say there was only audio from the talky feed??
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
kinda sped things up, but i think i am up to date
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: how goes Brighton?
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: Pretty chill
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rhiaro
Everyone is heads down, typey typey
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rhiaro
It's raining, so nobody wants to go out to the beach, which helps :)
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petermolnar
anyone needs help with https?
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rhiaro
I *think* most people came back, but there are fewer for sure
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rhiaro
I'll ask petermolnar
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ben_thatmustbeme
what are people working on?
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petermolnar
thank you rhiaro
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rhiaro
There are a fair few people starting from scratch
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ShaneHudson_
I just woke up (oops lol) but working on my android app for sharing a reply url to quill
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Loqi
ShaneHudson_: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 8 hours, 16 minutes ago: i was trying to get the share intent working for mobilepub but it was having problems getting the data http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-11/line/1436669849862
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rhiaro
oh, nice ShaneHudson, I'd use that!
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ShaneHudson_
ben_thatmustbeme Which issues were you having?
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rhiaro
I'm working on displaying incoming webmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: mobilepub uses apache cordova, i could get the app to launch from the share menu but it never got any data
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ben_thatmustbeme
and there are like 5 plugins for it and all seemed to be out of date
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ShaneHudson_
1 second, that's exactly the bit I'm about to test
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ben_thatmustbeme
but its a starting point if you didn't want to go in to full app dev
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Loqi
!calc 1 second, that's exactly the bit I'm about to test
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rhiaro
petermolnar: I let everyone know you're waiting and willing to help :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
ah, nevermind then
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ben_thatmustbeme
just realized he sends a salmention for EVERY mention he gets, including likes and mentions
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmmm thats not idea
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ShaneHudson_
So need to parse that to get the url only and should be fine I think :)
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ShaneHudson_
Then I will probably need to send a PR to Quill to accept reply url
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joskar
petermolnar: (re hashcash on small vps) I just tested, and 24-bit took between 2 and 14s on a small vps but 5-34s on an small ARM server.
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: perhaps pass as ?url= and then try to make it a general thing
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joskar
(Small sample size though)
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ben_thatmustbeme
configure what site you want to direct to
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petermolnar
5-34s is a bit to much imho
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petermolnar
thank you joskar
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ShaneHudson_
ben_thatmustbeme: Yeah that is step 2... I have never done android dev before lol So settings page can come after functionality :)
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joskar
petermolnar: I agree, for 23-bits the values were 2-21s for the ARM server. (mostly around 9s it seems)
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tommorris
joskar: for what level?
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hotzeplotz
bear or aaronpk: hacking on indie-stats at iwc brighton - any of your around and able to help me get started? having issues logging in (either on indie-stats.com or my test instance) once authenticated by indieauth.com
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hotzeplotz
looks like scope is empty and indie-stats.py just displays 'authentication failed' with 403
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joskar
tommorris: 5-34s for -mb24 and 2-21s for -mb23 on the ARM device. Was that what you were asking about?
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tommorris
I'll stick all this in webmention brainstorming
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@benjaminparry
[ ] IndieMark [x] Microformats [ ] GitHub Pages > Self-host [ ] Webmentions [ ] Micropub [ ] POSSE #IndieWebCampUK
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@IndieWebCampUK
RT @benjaminparry: [ ] IndieMark [x] Microformats [ ] GitHub Pages > Self-host [ ] Webmentions [ ] Micropub [ ] POSSE #IndieWebCampUK
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@hotzeplotz
@benjaminparry IndieMark (partly) outsourced to #lazyweb: http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-stats - adding features to this instead! #IndieWebCampUK
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@CodebarBrighton
Some codebar Brighton students and mentors are having a great time building on our personal websites at @indiewebcamp today :D
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tommorris.org
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ShaneHudson_
How do we go about recomending micropub clients to implement a ?url= for in reply to?
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@benjaminparry
[-] IndieMark (~0.8) [x] Microformats [ ] GitHub Pages > Self-host [ ] Webmentions [ ] Micropub [ ] POSSE #IndieWebCampUK
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ShaneHudson_
App is working very nicely :) No settings yet but it feels almost native, I close the app as soon as possible once the web browser opens :)
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tommorris
rhiaro: I hear mention through the grapevine of fish'n'chips
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ShaneHudson_
aaronpk: Are you around? If so I would love feedback on this issue https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/17 otherwise I will go ahead and implement anyway hah
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: convention... maybe put it in the micropub brainstorming
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ShaneHudson_
ben_thatmustbeme: Ah you are already using ?url= for something slightly different ha
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@hotzeplotz
#indiewebcamp switch own site to https: done
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mey.vn
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joskar
tommorris: I've updated with the devices I can currently test on.
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mey.vn
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@paulrobertlloyd
I’m at #indiewebcamp, playing with Webmentions. Help me test my (in progress) implementation… https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2015/07/webmentions
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tommorris
joskar: cheers
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@ThatEmil
Was hoping to work on getting Webmention for my blog today. But after writing blog post, editing book, cleaning apartment I think I’m out.
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lewisnyman
I implemented webmentions on my jekyll site :) https://github.com/lewisnyman/lewisnyman.co.uk-source/issues/12
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lewisnyman
I still have to actually display them... but at least I have it working end to end
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lewisnyman
Lunch time!
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@danalocoder
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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Loqi
[bridgy] just a guy replied '@tvnweb Be cool if you could encourage people to take notes - links to etherpads on schedule indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#… :)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/619859901536436224)
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@paulrobertlloyd
Next problem: how to include avatars from webmention posts without downloading high-resolution images!? #indiewebcamp
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tommorris
it's that time when I need to refer to the HTML5 spec
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tommorris
I'm working out some linting rules for microformats2. feel free to add to them. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-linting
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tommorris
at some point, mf2py may evolve to do linting/validation too. ;-)
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barnabywalters
!tell aaronpk I see you tagged v0.2.10 of php-mf2 on the 10th — thanks for merging those pull requests! In future can you let me know if you want to to tag a new version so that I can add to the changelog and sign the commit? I’m currently releasing v0.2.12
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
are demos in Brighton finished?
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petermolnar
they will be started in 40mins in theory, won't they?
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tommorris
tantek: nope, 15:24 in Brighton, we'll be demoing things.
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tommorris
...demoing things at some point soon
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tantek
ok cool! glad I didn’t miss it - just waking up and timezone math is hard ;)
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tommorris
my mini-life hack for that: google "time in [city]" and it'll tell you
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tantek
Loqi, what time is it in Brighton?
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rhiaro
<Loqi> 15:26
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rhiaro
I've got your back, Loqi
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tantek
rhiaro++
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Loqi
rhiaro has 121 karma
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tantek
tommorris: I gave up on <article>
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tantek
AFAIK it doesn’t help with any use-cases
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tantek
and re: 4, I think you mean dt-published
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tantek
but you could say dt-created <= dt-published <= dt-updated
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tommorris
just stuff I'm scribbling down as I work on other things.
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tantek
dt-created is mostly a brainstorm right now anyway
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tantek
though I suspect we’ll start seeing it as people create/use more offline posting UIs
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tantek
I assume demos will be broadcast on talky?
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tommorris
hmm. I treat created & published the same because of <time created>
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tommorris
can we get HTML5 to add published...? ;-)
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tantek
tommorris: why? nearly no one bothers with those attributes on <time>
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tantek
I thought we dumped them
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tantek
they’re just vestigial from early attempts and making a 1:1 conversion from HTML5 to Atom
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tommorris
they're still in HTML5 published spec iirc
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tommorris
oh it got dumped from HTML LS
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tantek
yeah it did - and I thought HTML5 too
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey all, will there be a talky for Brighton demos?
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tantek
I hope so!
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: Gonna try youtube, as seekr couldn't get talky working
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rhiaro
Unless anyone has a better one than youtube
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tantek
I tried loading talky / iwc-brighton and didn’t see anyone
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rhiaro
Demos in 30 mins
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: cool. it allows for saving too
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tantek
how’s the quality on youtube vs. talky?
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tantek
saving is useful
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rhiaro
the stream from PDX was fine for me
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tantek
the youtube one?
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barnabywalters
agreed, the quality of the YT stream was better than talky usually is
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rhiaro
This is, assuming I can borrow a laptop from someone, cos the mic on my chromebook is terrible. Also I wouldn't be able to scribe..
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: its probably a bit late, but we have an indiewebcamp youtube account
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barnabywalters
for me down here in the SW at least
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rhiaro
oh, it's not late, can I use that? Who has the login?
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ben_thatmustbeme
not sure how to add people, going to try now
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think aaronpk has to do it, i can't add managers
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ben_thatmustbeme
i should download all the videos form YT to archive them as well
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/form/from/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i should download all the videos from YT to archive them as well
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ben_thatmustbeme
is fast approaching a working sample of mp-chaining
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tantek
quick time check?
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rhiaro
doesn't have anything to demo :S
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tantek
time to demo?
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tantek
(as in how much left)
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rhiaro
T-13 minutes
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rhiaro
On the next hour
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ben_thatmustbeme
hehe, just flipping through that IWC video and happened on the SWAT0 discussion
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek really threw down the gauntlet
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tantek
oh that’s been saved?
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ben_thatmustbeme
hangouts on air can automatically save to youtube
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ben_thatmustbeme
which it did
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Loqi
bret has 74 karma
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tantek
did we link to that somewhere from /2015 ?
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: feel free to annotate time indexes!
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ben_thatmustbeme
i saw an edit in the chat that said it was linking
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tantek
you know you can make time index links to specific seconds of a yt vid right?
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tantek
timeline marginalia as it were
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tantek.com
moved /File:IWC_Brighton_2015_group_photo.jpg to /File:2015-07-11-IWC-Brighton.jpg "use specific date to disambiguate, event type, city, default is a group so leave that out, same with photo"
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adactio.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
wow we didn’t end sessions til 18:30 on day 1 of IWC 2015 Portland yesterday!
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rhiaro
Youtu.be/aMuQ2U8nFPU
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tantek
and IWC Brighton finished at 17:00!
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rhiaro
Does that work?
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rhiaro
Aaanyone?
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rhiaro
seekr, petermolnar, ben_thatmustbeme ^
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tantek
rhiaro: I see it now
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petermolnar
yes, it does
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rhiaro
Good good
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ben_thatmustbeme
looks good here
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rhiaro
Just waitng for everyone to reassemble
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@IndieWebCampUK
IndieWebCamp Brighton demos starting momentarily! Live stream: https://www.youtube.com/
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rhiaro
DEMOS!
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petermolnar
waves back
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rhiaro
adactio: plan was to post to site via SMS
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rhiaro
... got it working, and posting to twitter, but took longer than expected. Https was a problem, not sure why
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rhiaro
... Endpoint had to be on a subdomain not on https
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@Sulcalibur
@adactio Next you'll be sending a fax
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tommorris
^ there's an idea
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rhiaro
Indiewebbers with FaxMachine, almost as silly as volcano...
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petermolnar
oohohoh faxes
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petermolnar
( our team used to manage 4k fax lines at the company )
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rhiaro
adactio: advantage to this is being in a really low bandwidth situation
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ben_thatmustbeme
avoids any shcema.org reference
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rhiaro
... *something baffling happens*
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rhiaro
... *live demo alert*
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rhiaro
... It worked!
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tommorris
adactio: "oh shit"
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: volcanos could have a visitor center.... OCEANS with a fax machine is worse
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@indiewebcamp
RT @IndieWebCampUK: IndieWebCamp Brighton demos starting momentarily! Live stream: https://www.youtube.com/
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tommorris
ben_thatmustbeme: there's probably some fax machines in the ocean. I know that's where I'd throw 'em.
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ben_thatmustbeme
adactio++ well done
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Loqi
adactio has 16 karma
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rhiaro
lady-bug.info
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rhiaro
... Wanted to work more on content
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rhiaro
... 'bits & pieces' section. Includes code snippets
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barnabywalters
the IWC brighton demos youtube live stream link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMuQ2U8nFPU
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rhiaro
... Adds content on github, and retrieves on site, which is Wordpress
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rhiaro
... Uses a plugin
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rhiaro
... Pulls content from github into a post
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rhiaro
adactio: looked at oembed?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tommorris: well sory, fax number not fax machine
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tantek
oembed is too much hassle to faff with
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rhiaro
Plugin is Github Embed
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tommorris
hey, if Tower Bridge can have a Twitter account, you could have a fax number for an ocean. maybe you can fax things to it and it'll print them out and drop them in the ocean.
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rhiaro
tommorris: fax a message in a bottle?
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JohnEllison_
tommorris: :)
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tommorris
prepares the Arts Council grant.
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mey.vn
created /indieweb.txt (+2119) "Created page with "indieweb.txt is a proposal (first discussed at IndieWebCamp Brighton 2015) for a strategy to allow IndieWeb site owners to share information about: * IndieWeb tools they are usi...""
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
edited /indieweb.txt (+123) "HTML?"
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rhiaro
Guillerme: Made a shout wall. Practicing PHP. Wants to change font based on mood
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rhiaro
Johannes: johannesdachsel.com
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tommorris.org
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rhiaro
... Wanted to get webmentions up and running. Had an endpoint but didn't store it
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petermolnar
that reminded me to the setup the the page responsiveness was based on what the webcam saw of your distance from the screen
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rhiaro
... So now, created fields in ProcessWire. Uses Bridgy. When a wm comes in, it populates the post fields
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rhiaro
... And in the frontend, it displays stars, reposts, comments etc
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rhiaro
... And on the post page, started on facepile
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rhiaro
... Kind of is already a plugin for processwire
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rhiaro
... But currently tailored to the fields I set up, so I wll have to make that configurable
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JohnEllison_
Johannes: good stuff my man
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rhiaro
Norm: Wants to back up / PESOS data
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rhiaro
... Has made an Instagram backup
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rhiaro
... *does the oauth dance*
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: the video keeps popping back and forth between the broadcast and charlotte's acct
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ben_thatmustbeme
need to set "present to everyone"
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbe me... uh, okay
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rhiaro
The only button is 'stop broadcasting'. What do I need to look for?
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ben_thatmustbeme
if you are broadcasting, just click on the view of the video. clicking a specific person locks to them
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ben_thatmustbeme
taht should be fine
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adactio
Wow, Norm’s Instagram exporter is great!
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rhiaro
A specific person?
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rhiaro
tommorris: rebuild of site, has some plumbing to show
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ben_thatmustbeme
not too big a deal if you dont' get it
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ben_thatmustbeme
it happens when it goes silent
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tantek
go tommorris !
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ben_thatmustbeme
there should be an option at the top for "present to everyone" somehwere
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ben_thatmustbeme
or maybe on their preview window
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rhiaro
tommorris: demos rdfa and json-ld, but not all working :)
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rhiaro
... for places
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rhiaro
... You can also add .json, .rdf, .n3, .nt file extensions
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rhiaro
... This is done with Django middleware
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ben_thatmustbeme
accoring to docs, drop down on preview window at bottom has that option
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rhiaro
got it, thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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rhiaro
... adactio: "the html is the source of truth"
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rhiaro
All of tommorris's rdf/feed data is parased out of the html
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rhiaro
... Also been working on code to turn microformats json into Atom
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rhiaro
... Then, iCal, vCard, etc
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tommorris
rhiaro: all the RDF ones are working except JSON-LD for some odd reason I'll remedy in jost a moment
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rhiaro
notizblog: hCard, sempress
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rhiaro
... Has anyone here not been on indiewebify.me? *no hands*
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rhiaro
... paultibbits.co.uk
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rhiaro
tommorris: if you can see URLs/remember people's names, can you fill in / correct me?
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rhiaro
I am failing at both
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: can i get approval for a download and repost of the video to the indiewebcamp yt channel?
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell bret can i get approval for a download and repost of the video to the indiewebcamp yt channel?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: sure, I'll put you in touch with Charlotte
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rhiaro
after demos
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rhiaro
... Want to look like aprilzero.com
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rhiaro
Andy: a tale of woe..
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rhiaro
... Was going to get involved in indiemark, but seeing as Paul challenged me to get a blog I thought I'd try to get micropub up and running on a new box
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rhiaro
... Got some hosting on Digital Ocean, spin up an ubuntu box, set up a firewall, set up SSH....
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rhiaro
... About 11, kicked off DNS propagation
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rhiaro
... Hasn't caught up yet.
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rhiaro
... Installed node
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bret
ben_thatmustbeme: go for it! Public domain cc 0 wtfbbq etc
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Loqi
bret: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 minutes ago: can i get approval for a download and repost of the video to the indiewebcamp yt channel? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436714908553
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@paulrobertlloyd
Overheard: “Seeing as Paul challenged me to set up a blog…” That’s the spirit @dennisimo! Your move, @patrickhamann. #indiewebcamp
(twtr.io/11Yq04LBpgL)
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rhiaro
oh ben_thatmustbeme: do you just need a 'verbal' approval? I wasn't sure if you were referring to some technical youtube process
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tantek
paulrobertlloyd++
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Loqi
paulrobertlloyd has 1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: just verbal. technical is easy
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petermolnar
can someone please whisper him when he's done that digitalocean does free dns hosting with 900sec revisit time? :)
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rhiaro
Andy: read through everything, went to have a look to see if anyone has done anything in node for micropub. Nobody has
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rhiaro
... So looked at PHP. Trying to port something from one language ou don't speak to another language you don't speak is challenging..
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seekr
hi, rhiaro - been having severe ISP problems today - will check your uToob link now
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Loqi
seekr: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 4 hours, 24 minutes ago: did I say there was only audio from the talky feed?? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436699371162
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/uToob/youtube
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seekr
hi, ben_thatmustbeme - where do I pick up the msg Loqi mentioned?
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats it, its done
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ben_thatmustbeme
it just replays the message when you speak in IRC
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seekr
what's done, besides Brighton?
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seekr
ah - I see.
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seekr
You're referring to my mentioning to someone earlier today you could only get audio yesterday, ben_thatmustbeme? Did I misquote you?
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rhiaro
Andy: will publish node version of micropub ultimately
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rhiaro
paulrobertlloyd.com: Launched website!
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tantek
hey seekr - we’re focusing on taking notes of the Brighton demos right now - maybe hold off on questions / other IRC discussion til after?
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seekr
ok, tantek
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rhiaro
... One post, with an old webmention. Still developing locally what it should look like
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rhiaro
... Been using Aaron Gustafson's thing for Jekyll
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rhiaro
?: set up https
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rhiaro
... indieweb.txt
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tantek
could Brighton presenters say their name and domain name?
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rhiaro
... indiestats already on the wiki
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rhiaro
... indie-stats.com, source code on github, but code doesn't seem to be what is live
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rhiaro
... What I did today was understand what's in the indiestats core
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rhiaro
s/?/mey.vn
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rhiaro
... Gets all the websites from the irc-people page on the wiki
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rhiaro
... Is a json dump of relevant metadata from a website
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rhiaro
... rel=me etc
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rhiaro
... Idea is to add parsing of indieweb.txt
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rhiaro
... Which includes tools people are using
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lewisnyman
I'm watching!
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rhiaro
... In indieweb.txt, link to blog posts decribing tools and reasons, rather than putting it all in there
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rhiaro
... Or maybe an embedded rel= instead of indieweb.txt
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rhiaro
... All up for discussion in IRC in the next few days!
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rhiaro
... To promote discovery, as well as back up decisions
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rhiaro
Charlotte: lottejackson.com
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rhiaro
... Spent time getting a local version of site running
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rhiaro
... Added microformats
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aaronpk
good morning!
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Loqi
aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 1 hour, 27 minutes ago: I see you tagged v0.2.10 of php-mf2 on the 10th — thanks for merging those pull requests! In future can you let me know if you want to to tag a new version so that I can add to the changelog and sign the commit? I’m currently releasing v0.2.12 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436710842440
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GWG
Good morning, aaronpk
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aaronpk
ah thanks barnabywalters! will do!
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rhiaro
... Just threw in all microformats I found
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rhiaro
... Read a lot
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rhiaro
... Did manage to send a webmention
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rhiaro
... Not receiving yet, started
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aaronpk
Brighton demos are streaming on the PDX projector!
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rhiaro
awesome aaronpk
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rhiaro
... *uncovers bugs in adactio's site*
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tommorris.org
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rhiaro
JohnEllison: sketched ideas for a service that could piggyback off indieweb.txt idea
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rhiaro
... Maybe something like indiewebify.me could look for the indieweb.txt then give you an automatic score from indiemark
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rhiaro
... I know indiestats is a crawler
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rhiaro
... but could nice if it also recieved information from users
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rhiaro
... Be nice ot have a standard way of seeing what resources people are using
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rhiaro
... Visualisations of stats, number of sites using a given technology etc
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rhiaro
... Edited some wiki pages
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rhiaro
... Added previous/next navigation to my site
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rhiaro
... john-ellison.com
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rhiaro
... Getting started with mifroformats
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rhiaro
Raphael: Was playing with Jekyll. Trying to build a plugin
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rhiaro
... When you build a Jekyll site, it looks through the posts to convert microformats into json, and stores it in a separate file
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rhiaro
... Having some issues
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KevinMarks
yikes, I thought demos were at 5 not 4 :(
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GWG
Just got back, and saw the demos were up. Got them up on the screen
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rhiaro
Rosa: rosa-fox.com
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KevinMarks
resize the window - chrome bug
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rhiaro
... Blog was one long page. Made an admin section.
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rhiaro
... Uses static files for blog posts, so they're separate with their own urls, rather than being on one page
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KevinMarks
video frozen
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rhiaro
should be back
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rhiaro
Benjamin Parry: worked through indiemark
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rhiaro
... Added more relmeauth options
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rhiaro
... Worked through indiewebify.me
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rhiaro
... indiewebify.me isn't picking up author, not sure why
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barnabywalters
ooh, what’s the URL? I’ll look into it
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rhiaro
adactio: needs to be link rel=
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rhiaro
barnabywalters: we've debugged I think
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rhiaro
... Added description to blog posts
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rhiaro
... Added microformats
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rhiaro
... Spent whole afternoon trying to get webmentions using Aaaron Gustafson's plugin for Jekyll, but wasn't working
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rhiaro
rhiaro: will post incoming webmention display progress when online :)
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rhiaro
HI EVERYONE
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tvn
hi
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tommorris
greetings humans
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JohnEllison_
Thanks everyone! Super fun weekend...
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rhiaro
IRC being projected on the screen is the *most* exciting thing
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aaronpk
waves from PDX
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GWG
waves from NYC
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tantek
waves from the Ace Hotel Portland
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barnabywalters
waves from Devon
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tvn
o/
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GWG
Every time I tell people I'm involved with something called the Homebrew Website Club, they think I make beer
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tantek
Is Brighton getting a HWC?
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aaronpk
GWG: one time a random dude showed up at the PDX HWC and thought there was free beer
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rhiaro
Brighton yes, Birmingham maybe
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: did he leave with a website?
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GWG
Maybe it should be changed to Homegrown Website Club. But then they'd want vegetables.
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tommorris
I could bring some courgettes.
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tommorris
h-courgette
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rhiaro
has everyone gone a bit mad?
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tommorris
PUB PUB PUB PUB PUB PUB PUB
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tantek
tommorris: sounds like an h-product :P
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rhiaro
tardis.pub
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petermolnar
thanks to everyone for putting this together, definitely see you next year ( worst case :) )
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rhiaro
^ that's a url
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rhiaro
IWC BRIGHTON SIGNING OFF
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GWG
petermolnar: I didn't spot you on the feed.
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barnabywalters
tommorris: lol
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petermolnar
I'm not there today; only yesterday ( work... )
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indie-visitor_
\nick anomalily
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GWG
petermolnar: Oh. Okay.
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GWG
We going to switch to the PDX feed?
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glennjones
Really sorry I could make today, great demos
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lewisnyman
Yep great demos :)
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: (g'mornin from berkeley, ca.) Caught the last 10 mins of the stream :simple_smile: I like John-Ellison's idea of indiestats as a crawler.
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GWG
Here we are...please stand by for 48 more minutes
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GWG
anomalily: Nice speaking to you yesterday, by the way
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ShaneHudson_
kylewm: Thanks for the reply to github about ?repl=, my app is now working nicely :) Will improve to work with a settings page
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tantek
is thinking of taking on the challenge of nice “mobile” post styling today
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ben_thatmustbeme
when does PDX start, 9 or 10?
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually its past 9, so i'm guessing 10
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tantek
I think 9:30 doors open, start at 10
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: sounded like some good interest in SWAT0
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ben_thatmustbeme
heard one person in the audience say "I'd be up for doing A"
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: in what context?
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tantek
in which audience?
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ben_thatmustbeme
PDX, during your discussion of it from day 1
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tantek
ah ok
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tantek
that reminds me
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tantek
I think my first “hack” task for today is to define comments markup since no one else has bothered to respond to my requests in IRC the past 2-3 days :/
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ShaneHudson_
I feel quite productive this weekend, got micropub working, went casino, got cleaning done, make a quick android app for sharing and now cooking a roast :)
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tantek
aaronpk, kylewm, benwerd, ben_thatmustbeme ^^^^^
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aaronpk
i need to work with you on that in order to finish part B of sawt0
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tantek
aaronpk - can you at least document your existing comments markup on the wiki?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: i am publishing now a copy of your example, it seemed to make sense
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ben_thatmustbeme
h-cite p-comment
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aaronpk
gotcha
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seekr
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I note that the demos video is now archived, in case anyone missed it when it was live: https://youtu.be/aMuQ2U8nFPU - I suppose this link will be added to the wiki.
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, i didn't do p-summary
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tantek
tell ben_thatmustbeme,benwerd,kylewm really need you to take a look at this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10#t1436575014809 and please followup with: 1) feedback on my comments markup, 2) document your own on the wiki.
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tantek
!tell ben_thatmustbeme,benwerd,kylewm really need you to take a look at this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10#t1436575014809 and please followup with: 1) feedback on my comments markup, 2) document your own on the wiki.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, would e-content make more sense?
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: really need you to take a look at this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10#t1436575014809 and please followup with: 1) feedback on my comments markup, 2) document your own on the wiki. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436718176490
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: what do you mean by “make more sense?” - what’s the use-case for e-content above p-content ?
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tantek
in general if someone asks “make more sense”, my gut reaction is to say no it would not, provide a specific reason.
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: your example on the page doesn't have p-content, only p-summary
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ben_thatmustbeme
comments could be quite long
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: please follow order of requests in the !tell
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aaronpk
i think as a consumer, you're going to have to look at the "content" property and if it's a string, use that value, if it's an object, use the "text" property
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ben_thatmustbeme
this is feedback / brainstorming. or do you want feedback on wiki
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: you’re looking at the wrong thing
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tantek
I don’t have p-summary in my comments on my article
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tantek
feedback here is fine because I’d rather see people discuss it
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tantek
here realtime
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aaronpk
i meant "value" property
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tantek
I’ve already pointed out that the “how to markup” on the wiki is likely out of date (also in IRC in the past couple of days - do a search for all references to “comment-presentation” )
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ben_thatmustbeme
ah, sorry, thought it had been updated
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ben_thatmustbeme
or at least that code sample
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aaronpk
so the wiki says "The class p-summary is used on the p-comment h-cite because the expectation is that the site may have summarized..."
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tantek
no - because I’m still waiting for people to provide feedback
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tantek
that’s the problem - I get the feeling no one is listening
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aaronpk
I think that is fine, if the site does in fact summarize/truncate it
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tantek
hence why I specifically asked for this: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10#t1436575014809
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tantek
aaronpk - wiki is out of date per current publising practices
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ben_thatmustbeme
is changing diapers and code at the same time
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ben_thatmustbeme
#multitasking
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tantek
aaronpk - which is why I’m asking for feedback on my markup, not the wiki’s “how to markup"
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KevinMarks
do we need an -examples page?
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tantek
KevinMarks: no we haven’t yet
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aaronpk
i think we need an examples page
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GWG
Okay, neither my POSSE plugin nor Bridgy want to publish. Annoyed
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tantek
we’ve been putting them inline elsewhere on indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
otherwise i don't even know where all the examples are to look at
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tantek
aaronpk - there are none currently
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tantek
on the wiki for comments markup - that’s my point
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tantek
hence asking for feedback on my comments markup *on my site*
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aaronpk
are you waiting for someone else to add them?
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KevinMarks
lets make one and collate - on microformats?
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KevinMarks
or on indiewebcamp
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tantek
no I’m waiting for someone to give feedback in IRC
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aaronpk
there are 4 sites that I know of, kylewm.com, tantek.com (one post) aaronparecki.com, ben.thatmustbe.me
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kylewm
messages?
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KevinMarks
also webmention.io and webmention.herokuapp.com
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 7 minutes ago: really need you to take a look at this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10#t1436575014809 and please followup with: 1) feedback on my comments markup, 2) document your own on the wiki. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436718176490
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aaronpk
webmention.io doesn't output HTML markup
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aaronpk
tantek: I don't really care what your HTML looks like, only what the parsed result looks like. as a consumer of that, I see the "content" property is a string value, and I know what to do with that
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tantek
aaronpk - ok good to now
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tantek
s/now/know
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: aaronpk - ok good to know
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aaronpk
I will have to do the same heuristics as in h-entry to determine whether the "content" property is the same as the "name" property to be able to tell whether the "name" value is useful to display
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tantek
aaronpk - as a separate issue, the fact that you have to do such heuristics means there’s likely something we should fix with implied p-name
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aaronpk
i agree
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: it was far better than my (non marked up comments) p-comment would seem an easy way for me to pull that data
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tantek
I use p-content there because 1) I’m not including any HTML from the source comment, thus p-* instead of e-*
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ben_thatmustbeme
wonders how nested comments will be marked up, just nest p-comments within p-comments?
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tantek
and 2) I use p-content because I’m showing *the entire comment*, and thus p-content instead of p-summary
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tantek
KevinMarks - that’s horribly out of date
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tantek
I think we’re way past that level of analysis
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tantek
neither for now
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tantek
because if we can converge quickly on best practices, we just update the “how to markup” on /comment-presentation
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KevinMarks
so you're saying instead of docuemtning practices on the wiki we shoudl chat in irc>
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KevinMarks
what are comment examples?
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tantek
because the practices are so new that they are changing
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ben_thatmustbeme
is h-cite, p-comment the logical really? or is it more like h-comment?
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tantek
KevinMarks, by the time you document it on the wiki, people will have changed their markup - so it’s not that useful
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: why do you need a new object h-comment?
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kylewm
microformats wiki recommends "p-comment h-entry", so that's another candidate
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: always try to re-use existing building blocks before making up new ones
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tantek
kylewm: yes that’s out of date too
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tantek
we started with that on indiewebcamp, and then switch to p-comment h-cite to indicate that it’s not an original entry but rather a citation of someone else’s entry
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tantek
which provides the immediate flexibility to do things like truncate, use plain text instead of HTML etc.
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kylewm
tantek: your markup looks good to me, mine is the same except I use e-content because I allow some minimal html through
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tantek
kylewm - ok good to know
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ben_thatmustbeme
just more thinking that p-comment indicates its only paragraph. yet is can have its own header and such
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ben_thatmustbeme
and nested comments
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think h-cite makes sense, just wanted to throw that idea in there
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ben_thatmustbeme
h-cite since its a replay of offsite data (might not contain the full text
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: p-* does not mean paragraph! where did you get that from?!?
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ben_thatmustbeme
wayyyy back when i first started, not sure
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kylewm
pfefferle's question on the wiki is well-founded -- what about native comments (i.e. not webmention/pingback)
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KevinMarks
p- means plaintext
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ben_thatmustbeme
didn't mean just one paragraph, or paragraph in the html sense
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ben_thatmustbeme
but yes, plain text
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ben_thatmustbeme
is not too eloquent at times
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tantek
native comments make sense as h-entry
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tantek
since that’s the canonical version of the thing
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ben_thatmustbeme
good point, but then we are mixing h-entry and h-cite ? would that be difficult on processing
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aaronpk
i don't think that'd be any harder
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kylewm
Known's native comments do actually have permalinks of their own, on a separate page
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kylewm
so those might still make sense as h-cite
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aaronpk
i think we have a set of rules here that can be written up as a how-to now
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aaronpk
it's basically a bunch of "if ... then.." depending on whether a) the comment has a permalink of its own, b) you are displaying the full plaintext vs full html vs a truncated version
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ben_thatmustbeme
last question, do we need something to contain all the comments section as one. the use case being that it would give the ability to set a u-url for it and thus make webmetion.io and similar offsite comments parsable
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KevinMarks
ben_thatmustbeme++
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aaronpk
yes, that's p-comment
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Loqi
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aaronpk
all the comments are on the "comment" property
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ben_thatmustbeme
no, aaronpk, the comments themselves are not on the site
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ben_thatmustbeme
they are injected
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ben_thatmustbeme
wrapping it all would be in the html though
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KevinMarks
this is what I was getting at yesterday
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aaronpk
mine are not injected, mine live on the site, and there's no way i'm going to move it
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aaronpk
but yes for the js-embed use case there should be something for it
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KevinMarks
not the point, aaronpk
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aaronpk
that's totally separate from the actual markup of the comments, it would still follow the comments-presentation rules
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KevinMarks
js-embed is not a reasonabel thing to parse
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KevinMarks
an html version is, eitehr rendered from the indejected data or a seprate url
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ben_thatmustbeme
.p-comments > .p-comment.h-cite > p-content
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aaronpk
i'm all for that
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aaronpk
wait what
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KevinMarks
I was proposing an iframe embed aas an html alternative to js-injection for static sites
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KevinMarks
as an iframe src is parsable
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KevinMarks
(js-injected iframes are more of a pain)
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ben_thatmustbeme
and thus the idea would be if you see .p-comments->.u-url that means the comments are stored on external URL. and you can receive salmentions from sites that use webmention.io
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KevinMarks
or webmention.herokuapp.com
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KevinMarks
or potentially disqus et al
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ben_thatmustbeme
using webmention.io as example, may be any other
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@deanna
RT @kevinmarks: “Reddit isn't the front door to the rest of the Internet. It's a basement with a built-in bar” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-is-not-the-front-page-of-the-internet.html?via=meme&source=indieweb http:…
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Zegnat
ben_thatmustbeme, wouldn’t that be .u-comments, without a parent element? Or am I forgetting my mf2 parsing rules now
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ben_thatmustbeme
nesting that way isn't pretty though, would actually need another h-*
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ben_thatmustbeme
Zegnat: just realized that
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ben_thatmustbeme
.u-comments or .u-external-comments, or something like that
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rhiaro
reads backlong on comments markup, as that's what she's working on right now
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Zegnat
.h-entry > .u-comments
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ben_thatmustbeme
many sites might have links down to the comments section of their own site too
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rhiaro
I started copying what was on comments-presentation
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ben_thatmustbeme
u-comments would make sense for that, would be the same URL probably with just a different fragment probably
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rhiaro
I'm actually working on a /mentions page, so replies appear there but without the full post they're replying to, ie. not inside a parent h-entry. Does p-comment not make sense in that case?
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rhiaro
just h-cite for them all?
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: i was going to ask that with what tantek said about h-entry vs h-cite for comments. but i think its okay to do h-entry there.
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rhiaro
but they're still not my content
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kylewm
I slightly don't like the idea of differentiating p-comment from p-comments just by a "s"
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rhiaro
though it is a feed in its own right..
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aaronpk
h-cite for external content is a good plan all the time
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm: neither do i
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aaronpk
kylewm: i agree, seems too likely to typo or not recognize
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ben_thatmustbeme
but couldn't think up anything better
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aaronpk
maybe .comments-at along the lines of .in-reply-to ?
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ben_thatmustbeme
u-commentary
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rhiaro
tantek: why do you use u-author h-card instead of p-author?
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kylewm
+1 comments-at
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: if its only a url, you can just use u-autor
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rhiaro
.comments-feed?
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rhiaro
But there's still text inside the tag
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ben_thatmustbeme
name is implicit
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kylewm
wordpress has prior art for a rel= link to an RSS feed for comments, might that be worth exploring?
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tantek
u-author is most minimal since the consuming code can go get the name from the h-card at the destination
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aaronpk
where's a good place to link the youtube URLs?
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tantek
kylewm: what rel value?
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rhiaro
tantek: okay, sounds reasonable
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kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks
OK, who esle
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rhiaro
(I had a u-url inside the h-card)
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aaronpk
oh that reminds me...
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aaronpk
wordpress does this already right?
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kylewm
tantek: rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" unfortunately
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: either works
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tantek
re: iframe brainstorming - irrelevant until someone is actually using an iframe to embed comments on their live site
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rhiaro
yeah, the <a is in a <p so I'm gonna leave it
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tantek
kylewm: well that’s not useful for discovery so we can ignore it
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kylewm
comments in an iframe -- http://kylewm.github.io/
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kylewm
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 215 karma
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aaronpk
lol sorry kylewm beat me to it and i was away for a sec when he mentioned wordpress
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KevinMarks
I'm going to embed comments in an iframe today
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KevinMarks
who else has actual comment examples
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ben_thatmustbeme
mine are similar to tantek's
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KevinMarks
url to them plz
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GWG
pfefferle marks up all of my comments, and I've gotten into the p- vs other markup with him.
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chreekat-m
Did i miss anything yet? :P I'm on my way now
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kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks.com
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csarven
The more I look into mf2, I realize how much of a hackjob it turned out to be.
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ben_thatmustbeme
csarven: maybe take that to #microformats
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csarven
I would if iwc didn't hijack the mf process ;)
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gRegorLove
Morning, indiewebcamp
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kylewm
no need to be rude, csarven
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KevinMarks
csarven: hack job is your way of saying 'code first, then spec?'
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aaronpk
wow my html is messy lol
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aaronpk
lots of funny linebreaks and whitespace
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: mine too
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ben_thatmustbeme
well, my classes are
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KevinMarks
yeah, I'm just doing straight copy paste here
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KevinMarks
if someone wants to tidy indents, please do
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KevinMarks
also, i may be over grabbing
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KevinMarks
eg forms and things
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gRegorLove
!tell seekr, KartikPrabhu Yesterday's demos will be put on the wiki eventually at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Demos. Same for today's hack day demos. Yesterday's demos are currently in the IRC logs but will be dumped to that page.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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csarven
I've noticed that you guys were discussing where or how to use p-* properly for instance.
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aaronpk
some of that was just misunderstanding
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csarven
So, p- is for plain text and e- may include elements?
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KevinMarks
mf2 is flexible enough to mark things up differently
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GWG
So, I have a dilemma for all of you. WordPress requires some sort of title, even if it is auto-generated and not displayed. Trying to figure out what the auto-generated title should be a for a Like.
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gRegorLove
p- is a parser directive, to parse the contents as plain text
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csarven
Which also means, zillion different ways to parse it.
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KevinMarks
e- menas grab html content
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ShaneHudson_
Craft also has the same issue GWG
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gRegorLove
The parser directives are pretty concise, in my experience
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csarven
gRegorLove Thanks for the clarification.
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ben_thatmustbeme
csarven: one very clearly spec-ed parsing algorithm
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GWG
Last night, I was hooking into the WordPress title generation hooks and trying to decide what I could substitute
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ShaneHudson_
GWG: For my site, I used minutesecond as a title. Felt like an id, without being always unique
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KevinMarks
OK, I'm goign to add the webmention.herokuapp.com markup, which is missing mf2
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csarven
e.g., p-summary '<p>Ahoy hoy</p>' should return what?
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GWG
ShaneHudson_: I tried that. People found it a bit weird because if they saw it...which in some formats they did...
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csarven
<div class="p-summary"><p>Ahoy hoy</p></div>
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gRegorLove
csarven: You can try dropping HTML into a live parser: http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/?
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KevinMarks
nothign as it's not in an h-
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GWG
I'm thinking of having it, if there is a title for the thing I'm liking, using that. Example "Liked Pants Article"
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kylewm
GWG: that's how I generate slugs
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks: beat me to it
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kylewm
csarven: seriously questions about how to parse microformats should be in #microformats
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GWG
kylewm: My problem now is that, if I'm not entering that data, and I'm pulling it from the URL, that doesn't happen till after the post is created. Which means I have to move that code to earlier in the chain.
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csarven
kylewm Certainly. So, the discussion earlier on p-* with ben_thatmustbeme belongs here? (*serious* question)
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ben_thatmustbeme
csarven: exactly, i was unsure on parsing, should have asked in #microformats
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kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks
hm, that needs newlines
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: can you add rhiaro as a manager for IWC youtube channel for streming of IWC Edin.
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aaronpk
rhiaro: I need your gmail account
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aaronpk
oh nvm found it
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aaronpk
google+ search
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rhiaro
aaronpk: k!
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rhiaro
It's obvious
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kevinmarks.com
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GWG
I'm trying to match people with names in the video
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think many are not in IRC
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KevinMarks
live stream of hacking day is funny
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aaronpk
we're about to start intros today
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aaronpk
will not be livestreaming on youtube most of today
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GWG
Intro away
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aaronpk
can someone dig up an example of who is using webmention.herokuapp.com and providing an HTML link to the comments page?
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tantek
lacking any examples of that, we don’t need to design markup for it
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tantek
all the u-comments, comments-at etc. bikeshedding above
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GWG
And the podium is now visible....the excitement is about to begin.
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GWG
The crowd is hushed with anticipation
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KevinMarks
OK, who else has comment markup?
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KevinMarks
aaronpk: working on it
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KevinMarks
at the moment it is generated js
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: ! ditto my previous comment in #indiechat
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barnabywalters
if so then I have comment markup
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GWG
aaronpk welcomes everyone to Hack Day and describes the goal of working on your site.
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barnabywalters
here’s the latest example from my homepage feed: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4c7J8D/
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GWG
aaronpk reviews Indiemark as a way of getting ideas.
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gRegorLove
what is indiemark?
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GWG
aaronpk suggests the attendees solve one impossible problem before lunch
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Loqi
IndieMark is a set of metrics for measuring the indieweb-ness of a site, and a step-by-step approach to incrementally adopting indieweb features on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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kevinmarks.com
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GWG
would like to hear some people talk about what they are planning to try to work on
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GWG
's wish is granted
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kevinmarks.com
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GWG
wonders why aaronpk had tacos for breakfast if he's having tacos for lunch.
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barnabywalters
GWG: because tacos, obv :)
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GWG
tantek covers that your hack can be more theoretical than applied.
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tjgillies_
barnabywalters: Im stoked that taco has it's own emoji now
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barnabywalters
tjgillies_: !!
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kylewm
not theoretical, just more design/documentation rather than code
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tantek
GWG, more like prototyping than theoretical
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tjgillies_
so does burrito
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gRegorLove
design-mentation
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kevinmarks.com
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GWG
aaronpk plans to work on SWAT0 on his site.
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tantek
really need a term for the creative act of taking a UI flow, and writing up the series of protocol/formats steps that would implement it
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GWG
tantek: Mapping?
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GWG
Can someone take a picture of the board to dump into the wiki when complete?
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tantek
GWG, someone else said documentation
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tantek
I’m looking for a specific term
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GWG
I may have to step away
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tantek
e.g. we have visual design, UI design, UX flow, coding etc. as creative acts
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kevinmarks.com
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GWG
relinquishes the keyboard
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tjgillies_
Is there a microformats JSON standard?
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barnabywalters
this evening I’m working on fixing some of the things which have mysteriously stopped working on waterpigs.co.uk (maps and, as of yesterday, twitter POSSE)
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KevinMarks
tjgillies_: what do you mean?
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tjgillies_
representing microformats in json documents
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KevinMarks
there is a standard JSON output from parsing microfromats
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tjgillies_
I on't have any html on my site its all json responses
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KevinMarks
you cna use that
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KevinMarks
but an mf2 parser won't parse it
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KevinMarks
if you want to actually interoperate, you need to create html
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aaronparecki.com
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tjgillies_
I guess thats a good reason to generate html then
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
also you know, so people can read it
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tjgillies_
JSON is readable
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tjgillies_
;)
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tjgillies_
I could always render my pages in a binary protocol
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aaronparecki.com
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tjgillies_
I would argue that json is a lot more readable than some of the websites out there heh
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KevinMarks
tjgillies_: it's not really a web page if it's in json
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tantek
“took me 15 min to get my [WordPress] website back up & running with all the indieweb stuff”
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tjgillies_
why not? web is http protocol, json leverages http protocol
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tantek
GWG++
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aaronparecki.com
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Loqi
GWG has 103 karma
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kylewm
tjgillies_: that's just Sturgeon's law
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tantek
JSONlol
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kylewm
90% of everything is crap