seekrHi all - just awakened after a nap |-) - was awake during the Brighton event, but unable to see it, since Talky won't work for me - did better on the Portland event, since bret was kind enough to set up a uToob stream - but I was too tired at that point to be able to watch it, and went into sleep mode
seekrHowever, I was able to record most of that stream, and am willing to send it along to whoever might like to archive the file, assuming it's OK with bret and whoever else might need to be asked.
seekrI'm hoping that someone in Brighton might be able to do something similar to what bret did, so there's a possibility of capturing and archiving the video - and to make it more accessible during the event itself. I heard from ben_thatmustbeme that he was able to get only audio from the Talky feed, and suspect the same might have been true for others also.
seekrI'm wondering whether bret's video might have gotten auto-archived at uToob - I'm not able to play it using the link he gave yesterday - just get one of those spinny things, as if the server is trying to start the video - https://youtu.be/yJCtLhopfDY
seekrI'm just watching the video now, and am doing screenshots of the opening frame of each presentation, so it will be easy later for someone to build an index that lets people go to a given segment, KevinMarks.
seekrI'm new in these parts, tjgillies_ - can you give me a pointer to good sources of info about webmention and phoenix? I want to learn about the stuff being talked about this weekend to the extent possible, so I'll have some understanding of what folks are going on about. Thanks.
seekrUnfortunately, I was unable to tune in to what was happening in Brighton except via this channel and Twitter since what was streamed was only via Talky as far as I know.
LoqiA note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indiewebcamp.com/t
seekrjust listening to some lively Romanian music & puttering - was in nap mode during the Portland events, but managed to capture bret's uToob stream, GWG - planning to watch ASAP, as much as possible prior to the start of Brighton events today
Loqi[mention] Jeena posted 'Consider my mind blown. I kind of expected I would get to this Unconference and there would be a bunch of white young guys talking mostly ab...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/reader (/indiewebcamp-2015)
seekrI lack specific enough techie knowledge to comment on what you just said, but I'm curious as to your feelings about social networks, which I've been avoiding on philosophical grounds. Perhaps you have some better arguments, better-suited to expressing to others who are still caught in the grip of such networks.
seekrI just read the _Daily Beast_ article about Reddit and suspect that similar pieces could be done about others, including the ubiquitous Facebook (with dif'rent specific observations, of course).
seekrI'm working on a site where the people behind the radio programme associated with it are heading in the direction of getting more involved with Facebook, whereas I, as the techie, and the person with what I consider to be the greatest vision of the lot, want to go in exactly the opposite direction.
seekrIn other words, petermolnar, it matters not whether spooky organisations are actually behind Facebook, as some would contend - if they're able to use the information they collect in ways to which clients have not expressly agreed to and about which they're largely unaware, is that difference really an important one, one wonders.
j12t, hardfire and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
seekrI guess it ran up until the lunch break (thanks, Loqi) - if there was a later stream, I missed it, being tired from trying (but failing) to connect with what happened in Brighton (which I'm fool enough to try again today - hoping they use a better streaming method than they did yesterday with Talky)
seekrWell, KartikPrabhu, what I saw in the video stream bret did yesterday showed what looked to me like brief presentations followed by even briefer Q&As.
seekrSince today's sessions appear to be working ones, I guess there's not much for the virtual audience to see - except maybe after they're finished hacking.
seekrI think it's reasonable to want to learn more about what these various people are up to, and to get easy ways to connect with them and their efforts.
seekrIt's a very interesting concept, your marginalia capturing & sharing system, whether for collaborative or purely personal efforts. Do you feel it's working well now? I'm wondering what building blocks you used, or whether it's more of a "ground up" effort.
LoqiA fragmention is an extension to URL syntax that links and cites a phrase within a document by using a URL fragment consisting of the phrase itself, including whitespace https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention
seekrok - the main idea is that this sort of system might be better than and/or a useful adjunct to a web-based forum for commenting on and considering what is said during the course of radio interviews done by the organisation whose site I've been working on - they're a fairly backward lot technically (with the exception of one person who retired from her job at a university as a web developer (mostly in Java, I think))
seekrMy immediate struggle involves pulling them out of the clutches of social media operations like Facebook (which I tend to consider to be evil) and Twitter (which seems more benign) for such purposes.
seekryeah - I'm thinking it would be the logical first step - only some of the shows have transcripts, which would be the obvious base for linking comments - those transcripts are represented as components within XML files, so it shouldn't be all that difficult to create some other form of document to serve as the anchor point for the comments bit
seekrBut it would be possible to write a simple script to extract from transcript-bearing XML files whatever is needed to generate documents suitable for use with your software.
KartikPrabhuseekr: though I have interest I would definitely be lacking time. I am not actually a web-dev so catching up on other projects is pretty time-consuming for me
seekrI wouldn't seek to involve you in any actual work, KartikPrabhu - only show you what I mean - but I can understand how you might want to know at this point. Certainly if your system were to be used, you'd be given appropriate credit and links.
KartikPrabhubut to reiterate the MIT license on the code "WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER
seekrgreat! I'm looking forward to taking a closer look and to playing with it. I'm very glad I ran into you when I did, as this could be a very important component in my struggle.
seekrThe humour in that clip relies on "Stuffing material (as for furniture and mattresses) made of slender, curled wood shavings, as a substitute for hair. " from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/excelsior
hardfireon the news, i just started indifying my website, made it indieauth compatible. next steps is to look for a cheap and less-maintenance solution for POSSE and webmentions. \m/
hardfiredoes look pretty nice and quick solution. will give it a shot and udpate how it goes. Still thinking if i should use the SAAS version or just get a hosting and host it there.
snarfedPSA for anyone hacking on anything today that integrates with silos (ie social networks): granary is a REST API and python lib that talks microformats2 (among other formats) to the silos
tommorrispetermolnar: DKIM looks... complex. any chance you could set up webmentions brainstorming on the wiki and suggest some idea of how it would work? I'm happy to chuck in how you'd do it with Hashcash
hotzeplotzbear or aaronpk: hacking on indie-stats at iwc brighton - any of your around and able to help me get started? having issues logging in (either on indie-stats.com or my test instance) once authenticated by indieauth.com
ShaneHudson_App is working very nicely :) No settings yet but it feels almost native, I close the app as soon as possible once the web browser opens :)
barnabywalters!tell aaronpk I see you tagged v0.2.10 of php-mf2 on the 10th — thanks for merging those pull requests! In future can you let me know if you want to to tag a new version so that I can add to the changelog and sign the commit? I’m currently releasing v0.2.12
tommorrishey, if Tower Bridge can have a Twitter account, you could have a fax number for an ocean. maybe you can fax things to it and it'll print them out and drop them in the ocean.
mey.vncreated /indieweb.txt (+2119) "Created page with "indieweb.txt is a proposal (first discussed at IndieWebCamp Brighton 2015) for a strategy to allow IndieWeb site owners to share information about: * IndieWeb tools they are usi..."" (view diff)
rhiaro... Was going to get involved in indiemark, but seeing as Paul challenged me to get a blog I thought I'd try to get micropub up and running on a new box
Loqiaaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 1 hour, 27 minutes ago: I see you tagged v0.2.10 of php-mf2 on the 10th — thanks for merging those pull requests! In future can you let me know if you want to to tag a new version so that I can add to the changelog and sign the commit? I’m currently releasing v0.2.12 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-12/line/1436710842440
Loqislack/shaunguice: (g'mornin from berkeley, ca.) Caught the last 10 mins of the stream :simple_smile: I like John-Ellison's idea of indiestats as a crawler.
tantekI think my first “hack” task for today is to define comments markup since no one else has bothered to respond to my requests in IRC the past 2-3 days :/
ShaneHudson_I feel quite productive this weekend, got micropub working, went casino, got cleaning done, make a quick android app for sharing and now cooking a roast :)
seekrI don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I note that the demos video is now archived, in case anyone missed it when it was live: https://youtu.be/aMuQ2U8nFPU - I suppose this link will be added to the wiki.
aaronpki think as a consumer, you're going to have to look at the "content" property and if it's a string, use that value, if it's an object, use the "text" property
tantekI’ve already pointed out that the “how to markup” on the wiki is likely out of date (also in IRC in the past couple of days - do a search for all references to “comment-presentation” )
aaronpktantek: I don't really care what your HTML looks like, only what the parsed result looks like. as a consumer of that, I see the "content" property is a string value, and I know what to do with that
aaronpkI will have to do the same heuristics as in h-entry to determine whether the "content" property is the same as the "name" property to be able to tell whether the "name" value is useful to display
tantekwe started with that on indiewebcamp, and then switch to p-comment h-cite to indicate that it’s not an original entry but rather a citation of someone else’s entry
aaronpkit's basically a bunch of "if ... then.." depending on whether a) the comment has a permalink of its own, b) you are displaying the full plaintext vs full html vs a truncated version
ben_thatmustbemelast question, do we need something to contain all the comments section as one. the use case being that it would give the ability to set a u-url for it and thus make webmetion.io and similar offsite comments parsable
ben_thatmustbemeand thus the idea would be if you see .p-comments->.u-url that means the comments are stored on external URL. and you can receive salmentions from sites that use webmention.io
rhiaroI'm actually working on a /mentions page, so replies appear there but without the full post they're replying to, ie. not inside a parent h-entry. Does p-comment not make sense in that case?
gRegorLove!tell seekr, KartikPrabhu Yesterday's demos will be put on the wiki eventually at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Demos. Same for today's hack day demos. Yesterday's demos are currently in the IRC logs but will be dumped to that page.
GWGSo, I have a dilemma for all of you. WordPress requires some sort of title, even if it is auto-generated and not displayed. Trying to figure out what the auto-generated title should be a for a Like.
GWGkylewm: My problem now is that, if I'm not entering that data, and I'm pulling it from the URL, that doesn't happen till after the post is created. Which means I have to move that code to earlier in the chain.
LoqiIndieMark is a set of metrics for measuring the indieweb-ness of a site, and a step-by-step approach to incrementally adopting indieweb features on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
barnabywaltersthis evening I’m working on fixing some of the things which have mysteriously stopped working on waterpigs.co.uk (maps and, as of yesterday, twitter POSSE)