#indiewebcamp 2015-07-11

2015-07-11 UTC
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tantek
I think that was my first automatic RSVP to one of aaronpk’s indie events, and I saw the push notification of my RSVP show up on his mobile device!!!
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tantek
seeing even more pieces come together is getting exciting
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tantek
anything realtime like that that travels across space (and you can see it) is surreal
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KartikPrabhu
tantek nicely done
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KevinMarks
!tell benwerd I hope you feel better soon
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell benwerd rest-up and feel better. Sorry to miss you but take care of yourself and we’ll hack online!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
those of you that markup the comments on your posts with microformats - would appreciate your markup review / criticism of my attempt to manually do so here: http://tantek.com/2015/190/b1/blinking-fever#blinking-fever-comments
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tantek
the “how to markup” suggestion for comments on posts is perhaps not the best practice right now, and I’d like to fix it, but since I just started publishing comments on posts (manually even), I’d like more input/discussion from those of you that have been doing it longer
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KevinMarks
should we iterate on that as part of the salmentions/swat0 work?
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tantek
yes that is what’s driving this
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tantek
but the only place we have such “how to markup” guidance for that now is http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#How_to_markup which I think is very out of date and not updated since people started marking up their comments on the posts
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tantek
so we need to 1) gather examples of how people are marking up their comments on posts
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tantek
hence my request above
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tantek
then figure out the best practices from those
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bret
When are people meeting up?
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tantek
bret - did you miss the party notice?
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tantek
and in IRC ^^^
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tantek
(my RSVP)
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aaronpk
Didn't you get my email? ;-)
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bret
I didn't see it
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tantek
bret - tl;dr - we’re at Pints!
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tantek
oh I said that at 16:33 here in IRC too
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aaronpk
Darn. Well it was really just a summary of the /2015 schedule
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Chris_A_Marks: I don't use twitter
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KevinMarks
hm, did I tweet that, oops
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KevinMarks
I was experimenting
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@JGolownia
RT @jgarber: IndieWebCamp is this weekend in Brighton, UK and Portland, OR. Not in either of those places? Participate online! http://t.co/…
(twtr.io/11VPfPn2zZL)
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bret
I'll come by after food!
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bret
Ty for the tldr
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@benwerd
I'm jealous of my friends at: 1) #indiewebcamp 2) #SDCC
(twtr.io/11VTRQQJ2aj)
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bret
You still @ pints?
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ben_thatmustbeme
Sad I Will be missing the events tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme
Well be online Sunday though
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bret
beeeeeeen
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
hey bret people disbanded from pints ~18:45
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bret
yeah aaron told me :( ahh well
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bret
just micropub hackin
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bret
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6750 relevant.... actually super useful
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tantek
bret - feel to review http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Technologies and later sections - that’s what I’ve been working on. Going to try to put that out in a blog post tonight.
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bret
didn't read this last time :p
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tantek
should be a quick read
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bret
lgtm
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seekr
ought not you fellas be abed by now? |-) :-)
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seekr
It's nearly 04.00 GMT
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seekr
oops 03.00
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bret
only 7:45PM in pdx
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bret
err 19:56
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seekr
ah - you're on the left coast, then - ok - we'll let you stay up a while longer :)
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seekr
I'm a newbie here, and have seen lots of tech talk going by - wondering how much of what happens on the weekend will be at that level - will there be a few people speaking English (or British or whatever)?
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tantek
seekr - the kinds of talk definitely varies here, though many of us do try to make things less jargony
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tantek
do not hesitate to ask “what is …” about anything you see that’s not obvious
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seekr
thanks, tantek - will do - checking now to see whether there's any more of a semblance of a schedule on the wiki than there was earlier today...
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tantek
seekr - probably depends on the venue - each city is run fairly autonomously
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seekr
ah the grid (http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Schedule) still looks extremely sparse, tantek
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bret
seekr: do you have a website? :)
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tantek
seekr - that’s by design - the grid isn’t filled out until the morning of, by people there in person
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seekr
not as such - but I have the capability to create one
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tantek
seekr have you ever been to a BarCamp?
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seekr
nope - don't even know what it is - have been to a Podcamp (in Cambridge, MA) a couple times, tho
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tantek
Pretty sure a PodCamp is just a particular-topic BarCamp
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seekr
ah - good
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seekr
I gotta poke through my IRC logs from this morning to see if I can find a link to previous years' grids (if they're still extant) - looking for some specific info
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seekr
I wish I'd known about IndieWebCamp earlier, as I see there have been some events at MIT in Cambridge - could have gotten there easily (about 15 mins by bike)
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tantek
seekr - yes the schedules are filled out for past events - and they vary widely because the participants vary!
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tantek
We’ve had two IndieWebCamps in Cambridge so far. Likely another coming up sometime in October.
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seekr
could make for some interesting reading, and useful prep for the weekend, I s'pose, though
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tantek
maybe to skim sure
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seekr
Will all presentations be made by people at the two venues (as opposed to people streaming from their own locations)?
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tantek
seekr - perhaps start with http://indiewebcamp.com/principles and see which of those resonate with you
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seekr
ok - thanks, tantek!
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tantek
good question - it’s likely that most demos will be done by in person at the two locations, however I definitely know of a couple of folks that will be demoing from another city
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seekr
and will there be a setup that permits questions from the virtual audience?
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tantek
probably informally via IRC
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tantek
just have to get someone’s attention at whichever site you want to ask a question of
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seekr
ok - thanks - I'll peruse the wiki and get as much info as I can there - I'm sure you have better things to do than deal with newbie questions, and that much of what I want to know will be answered in the FAQs and elsewhere on the site - I hope the preps are going well
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GWG
Good evening
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seekr
hi again, GWG
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GWG
seekr: I lurk all the time.
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tantek
seekr - we seek to document answers to newbie questions as much as possible to help everyone who wants to get started
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seekr
I've been lurking and logging since discovering the channel this morning - excited about what's happening on the weekend!
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GWG
I wish I could have afforded to go, but I spent my discretionary travel money for 2015.
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seekr
understood, tantek - but I wanna do enough of a review to make sure my questions are new newbie ones, if ya know what I mean :)
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GWG
I'll be on in the afternoon NY time, which should be most of the events
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tantek
seekr - keep asking good questions. GWG knows how well that can work :) and yes, that’s fair too
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tantek
seekr speaking of which there’s also http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ
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GWG
tantek: I haven't given up on asking.
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seekr
I wish I'd known about the prior ones in Cambridge, MA, GWG, very close to where I've long lived :-\ ["better late than never," tho :) ]
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seekr
right, tantek - I discovered the FAQ a while back - gonna turn my attention to it soon - thanks for pointing it out, tho
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tantek
great - you’re on it :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
seekr: since you are so close to my work and I can't really do much at night (as i have two infants to get home to help care for) maybe we can start doing some lunch meetups or something
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seekr
ben_thatmustbeme: I'd like to do so very much - thanks for the offer! I'll look forward to meeting and spending time with you!!
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GWG
I need to figure out an issue with the textual presentation of location data.
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GWG
This has been going on since IWC Cambridge
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ben_thatmustbeme
still on that huh GWG?
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seekr
Perhaps I can bring along a new MIT grad tech buddy some time with whom I hope to work on a semi-political site for a cause related to development in Somerville, where I live, ben_thatmustbeme .
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I took a break and did a bunch of other stuff.
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seekr
I meant to say he's a new buddy - but graduated from MIT a few years ago, ben_thatmustbeme .
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ben_thatmustbeme
seekr: that would be cool
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seekr
great!
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ben_thatmustbeme
seekr: I'm thinking maybe at the prudential center as I'm on the other side of the river and you would have a bike
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seekr
yes, Jeff does also
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh excellent
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seekr
(he also has what looks like a motorcycle helmet to protect his skull :) )
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bret
seekr: see http://indiewebify.me/ as well
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ben_thatmustbeme
ah yes, indiewebify.me is a great way to start
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seekr
will do, bret - thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme
okay, really should be in bed
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ben_thatmustbeme
will probably connect from my phone there and be working on stuff anyway
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GWG
The perspective on the wiki is once again tantek's.
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seekr
g'night, then, ben_thatmustbeme - I hope you and the family get a good rest
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seekr
I'm in night mode, so will push on through until when things start in Brighton, which I reckon won't be too long from now.
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david.shanske.com
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tantek
GWG, what in particular? just because I edited it could just mean I captured something from IRC
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GWG
The why of location in a note.
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GWG
I couldn't find any debate on how location should be presented so I started a bit of that.
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tantek
GWG, yes the simplest case has been locations on notes
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GWG
I've been writing up some thoughts on the wiki in /location, as opposed to /notes
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GWG
On textual presentation of location.
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ben_thatmustbeme
seekr: you still have like 5 hours to wait for that
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david.shanske.com
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seekr
ah - well, I have lots to keep me busy (and a full lpot of tea) until that time, ben_thatmustbeme :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
Well enjoy the trip down the rabbit hole :P
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seekr
:D
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GWG
We've all been in that hole.
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seekr
hope it ain't tooooo deep! ;)
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seekr
What time do things start in Portland? The http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/ page is now auto-forwarding to the planning page, which does not have obvious links (maybe in the sidebar?) to a description of the weekend's activities. From a newbie perspective, at least, I think it might be useful to have such links featured prominently on what I think is supposed to be the main page for the event. (?)
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seekr
Yeah - http://indiewebcamp.com/next-iwc seems more useful as a current home page than the planning one - to me, at least.
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seekr
Also, we see on the "next-iwc" page the text " When: from July 11, 2015 (2015-07-11) at 9:30am through July 12 (2015-07-12) at 6pm" - which I think is deficient in that it doesn't indicate which of the venues it applies to and doesn't specify a time zone (is that supposed to be GMT?).
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ben_thatmustbeme
Those times are local for portland. I saw the brighton one starts at 10 am their time
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ben_thatmustbeme
Has their times
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ben_thatmustbeme
Ideally that's supposed to be the times for both Ib their respective local time
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ben_thatmustbeme
But brighton is starting later by a half an hour
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ben_thatmustbeme
Okay sleep for real now
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seekr
g'night for real, then, ben_thatmustbeme |-) thanks for the info
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KevinMarks
should we parse iframe src as u-* ?
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tantek
KevinMarks - re: iframe and src, not sure, do you have a use-case? regardless, document it here where there’s the related question of e- and iframe srcdoc! http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#e-_parsing_iframe_srcdoc (make a new same level subhead for “u- parsing iframe src” )
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@tvnweb
#IndieWebCamp Brighton starts in a few hours. Super excited!
(twtr.io/11VwrQHHq_f)
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seekr
I think we're all excited, Loqi!
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rhiaro
All these other people announcing they're excited is making me more excited :)
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
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tantek.com
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tommorris.org
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: might I suggest putting an author name/url on https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Summary_And_Looking_Forward ? reads like a personal statement
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tantek.com
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I decided to draft it on the wiki so anyone could contribute - not the place of finaly publication
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tantek
s/finaly/final
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: KartikPrabhu: I decided to draft it on the wiki so anyone could contribute - not the place of final publication
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tantek
(and have repeatedly asked people to do so)
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tantek
but now I’m wrestling with a weird people grid effect when the names are hidden!
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KartikPrabhu
true. but since the wiki might not be edited, it would be good practice to attribute any personal statement sounding things
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seekr
weird effect or weird people, tantek? :)
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tantek
no I didn’t want to do that becuase I didn’t want to discourage contributions even further :/
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tantek
weird effect
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seekr
ah
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I like the statement itself btw :)
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tantek
seekr, we already know we’re all push the boundaries of what it means to be independent on the web ;)
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seekr
that's why I know I'm gonna love you guys (and gals) so very very much, tantek!
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seekr
i.e. "weird is good!" :)
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: do you already have your own website? link?
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tantek
fixed weird effect!
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KartikPrabhu
wiki+CSS is strange to say the least
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seekr
KartikPrabhu: Well, I don't have a site that's relevant for IndieWebCamp purposes - closest thing is a now-defunct site (domain name expires in a couple weeks and I don't intend to renew it): http://welovemarketbasket.org/
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: most of the work here is improving ones own site and online identity
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seekr
KartikPrabhu: I did some software in Perl and PHP to produce what you see in the right-hand "Newswire" column. Now I'm mainly interested in finding alternatives to Facebook and Twitter for another site I'm working on. I'm hoping someone in this community will have some suggestions (I have found some via non-evilGoogle searches, but haven't had a chance to check 'em out yet).
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KartikPrabhu
tantek++ I show up on the 2014-review attendee page finally :P
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Loqi
tantek has 214 karma
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seekr
should off-site attendees do the RSVP thing - maybe to get listed?
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tantek
seekr - yes! there is a remote participation section on the Guest List - add yourself to the wiki page
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: that is a good goal! Anyone wanting to "finding alternatives to Facebook and Twitter" would want to have their own website as an online identity
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Loqi
[bridgy] Paul Schoonhoven commented 'Google regelt het iets anders. Met copy/paste in een nieuw bericht pakt G+ gelijk de eerste link die het tegenkomt en verder geeft ie de ee...' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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tantek
seekr - do you use Facebook or Twitter yourself personally?
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seekr
Good advice, KartikPrabhu++! I'll get to work on it soonish. Finding this community is truly inspirational!
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: awesome!
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seekr
tantek: Well, I have a bogus Facebook acct, which I use only for snooping purposes, and I very occasionally use Twitter to track some issue that interests me. Other than those exceptions, no.
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seekr
I eschew Google also, though I've been known to use the translator occasionally, and I don't know how to avoid uToob (though I can use a non-web client to avoid tracking).
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voldn
echo 127.0.0.1 www.youtube.com >> /etc/hosts # how to avoid uToob
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seekr
thanks much, voldn! very much obliged
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seekr
oh wait, it's a joke!
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seekr
yeah - well, that's one way, but kinda overkill, methinks, voldn
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tantek
seekr - do you publish anything personally on Twitter or Tumblr?
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tantek.com
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seekr
negative, tantek - I try to keep a very low profile
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seekr
I want to avoid all the corporate behemoths, if possible
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tantek
seekr - sure. Would you publish notes or longer thoughts on your own site if you had it?
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tantek
or even just a portfolio / resume?
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seekr
I might well do, tantek - I could easily install blog software - maybe WordPress and do my own blog.
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seekr
that too, maybe
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tantek
seekr - exactly, WordPress, or Known (see http://withknown.com/ ) which is newer and has a lot of indieweb features built into it already
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seekr
ah - yeah - second time I've heard about known today - gotta check it out!
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seekr
I know that WP is subject to various forms of insidious attack.
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seekr
In fact, I got direct experience of that fact via the site I mentioned a short while ago - lots of spam activity, which is a bit different, but still quite annoying and time-consuming to deal with
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tantek
right
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tantek
anyway, consider getting a domain per /Getting_Started and setting up /Known on it
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tantek
then a lot of this will make more sense
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seekr
Maybe known isn't yet well enough known to make it a worthwhile target (yet). (?)
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tantek
possibly
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seekr
but with an active developer community, I reckon that ways can and will be found to deal with such things if and when they occur
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voldn
what the hells is Indie about the ICANN/DNS behemoth? why are you encouraging domain purchasing?
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seekr
what's the alternative, voldn, something like no-ip?
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tantek
voldn - yup, already documented and why: http://indiewebcamp.com/DNS#Hierarchical_Vulnerability
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KevinMarks_
Hm, srcdoc for e- is interesting. Would e- on an iframe with srcset imply fetching the src?
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seekr
Does anyone here have preferred alternatives to Facebook and/or Twitter?
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KevinMarks_
s/srcset/src/
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Loqi
KevinMarks_ meant to say: Hm, srcdoc for e- is interesting. Would e- on an iframe with src imply fetching the src?
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tantek
seekr - yes, nearly everyone does - that’s the point
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tantek
the preferred alternative is to use your own site
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KevinMarks_
But we also POSSE to fb/tw etc
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tantek
and optionally syndicate to Facebook & Twitter for distribution
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seekr
link, KevinMarks?
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KevinMarks_
What is bridgy
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Loqi
Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed as a service https://indiewebcamp.com/bridgy
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KevinMarks_
What is posse
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Loqi
POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: here you go https://kartikprabhu.com/notes lots of stuff that may or may not be syndicated anywhere but exists on my own site
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seekr
ah - guess I need to do some reading and study, and "get with the programme!" :)
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seekr
thanks much, KartikPrabhu!
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KevinMarks_
The use cases I have, Tantek, are hovercard as iframe and post comments as iframe
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tantek
KevinMarks - cool - please write it up as such on that spot I linked to on the wiki
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KartikPrabhu
or as a blog post ;)
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KartikPrabhu
needs to really get on with the "navigation links direction post"
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KevinMarks_
I am wondering if there is a different parsing directive that means "fetch the src of this iframe and parse it as if it was here in the html"
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KartikPrabhu
IWC is upon us
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks_ not in mf2 parsing algo
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KevinMarks_
No, not yet.
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tantek
KevinMarks: no fetching in the parsing algorithm - that’s a bad layering violation
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tantek
the parsing algorithm can give you URLs back - it’s up to your use of a parser to go fetch any URLs you need to for whatever reason
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KartikPrabhu
i don't think there should be. If anything we should define use-cases where the consumer of some mf2 page can decide that given a parsed mf2
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KevinMarks_
I'm trying to work out the "comments on a static site" case
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tantek
KevinMarks_: that’s fine, you can add that functionality into a library that calls the parser
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KevinMarks_
And iframed comments seem better than js-injected ones
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tantek
but first, write up your thought about u- iframe src on the wiki
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KartikPrabhu
tantek yes but there needs to be a well-defined algorithm to decide if comments are in the page or at a separate URL
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tantek
so at least that’s not lost in the IRC logs
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KartikPrabhu
fwiwi. I was musing having a "hijax" link to comments as well
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KartikPrabhu
what is h-card?
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Loqi
hCard is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up people, organizations, and venues on web sites https://indiewebcamp.com/h-card
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: if there are indie comments on a page, the assumption is that they link to their permalink provides canonical information
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tantek
no algorithm needed
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@alicenwondrlnd
Heading off to #IndieWebCamp - hoping to learn lots of cool stuff!
(twtr.io/11W2Qe3TLAf)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: no the use-case is if there only is a link to some comments list page on the actual article
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KevinMarks_
Hm, could a marginalia comment be an iframe?
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tantek
that doesn’t make sense
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KevinMarks_
My specific use case is that I have comments on my static pages that are injected js-injected
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: a lot of sites use JS to load comments. A good way to doing that is to have a separate comments page for any given article and then use JS to include comments when some one clicks on "Show comments"
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KevinMarks_
Which means they can't be part of a salmention
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KartikPrabhu
progressive disclosure or something
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tantek
goes back to working on /2014-review until KevinMarks adds his suggestion to the microformats wiki as noted already.
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@andybudd
RT @alicenwondrlnd: Heading off to #IndieWebCamp - hoping to learn lots of cool stuff!
(twtr.io/11W2eH_Ttoo)
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KevinMarks_
But an iframe let's me transclude comments
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KartikPrabhu
it is similar to having a partial h-card on homepage but a separate page with full h-card
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: no one here is doing separate page for comments yet, so when someone starts experimenting with that, we can discuss it. Til then, not really worth worrying about to that level of detail.
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KartikPrabhu
like I do one my site
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KevinMarks_
I think iframe fetching is more robust than js parsing
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: true. I was worrying because I was considering implementing that but did not (yet).
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tantek
you can do so without worrying about any formats stuff - you can just do the HTML CSS etc. that you want
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tantek
and from that we can learn what is actually needed
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tantek
instead of having a hypothetical discussion
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes agreed. If I really want to I should just go ahead and implement it. but i can't decide if I want to :P
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: you can braindump your thoughts about it, and why you’re unsure, in a new section like: https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#Brainstorming
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tantek
that way you at least capture your current partial thinking, instead of being stuck musing about it in IRC ;)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: don't give me more things to do :P
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: that’s what happens when people bring up new things in IRC :)
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KartikPrabhu
I am musing in my head KevinMarks_ prompted this IRC braindump. I blame him ;)
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KartikPrabhu
holy URLs Batman!
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tantek
it’s also a more polite way of saying, ok go capture your thoughts in one place where you’ll have to make them more coherent than a series of hard to follow IRC statements (and nearly impossible to understand from the logs)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: of course I see why you'd ask for documentation :)
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tantek
see it’s URLs like that that I have no desire to click - tl;dc
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: it’s a way of reducing noise in the channel too - at some point, unbounded musings become noise
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KartikPrabhu
also hopes he makes a decision and blog about it
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tantek
and the point is, if you do actualy care enough, you’ll go write it up a brief braindump on the wiki - which is LESS work than doing a blog post
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Loqi
[bridgy] Tino Kremer commented 'I know how Google+ operates. I'm expressing my opinion about it. In fact +Jeff Jarvis”‹ has asked for proper link support many times as well....' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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KartikPrabhu
I rarely blog about things I haven't decided yet, so this "navigation thing" is priority post
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tantek
wikis are good for capturing your thinking on things you haven’t decided yet
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KartikPrabhu
possibly but I traditionally use my brains for that ;)
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KevinMarks
I was on my phone, making wiki edits hard
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KartikPrabhu
but that is no good for others to contribute
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KartikPrabhu
is bad at the interwebz
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tantek
right
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LukasRos
Good morning IndieWeb folks :)
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KartikPrabhu
Good "it is awfully late here" LukasRos
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seekr
good mornin', LukasRos
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KevinMarks
the point of that link is that currently a u-* on an iframe reads the fallback text instead of the src
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LukasRos
Can’t be at IWC this weekend but I’ll try to follow at least a bit over IRC.
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@alpower
@glennjones @indiewebcamp sad to be missing it (at a wedding!) - have fun all #IndieWebCamp
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tantek
KevinMarks - at this point - not really interested in more supportive arguments - just take the time to document on the wiki on a laptop if necessary
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LukasRos
Is there already anyone from Brighton in this channel?
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seekr
waves at keroberos, who he thanks again for turning him on to IndieWebCamp!
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tantek
LukasRos: people have been saying they’re in transit
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keroberos
heyhey
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LukasRos
tantek: Ah ok. I thought they must have started by now but I did the timezone math wrong ...
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seekr
should start in ~15 mins (?) - any info on video streams yet?
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tantek
rhiaro: hoping to hear from you that you’ve gotten adactio to setup talky at IWC Brighton with the HD stereo camera he has!
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+305) "/* Services */ Withknown.com"
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KevinMarks
hm, embedding an iframe from unmung in unmung is apparently a CORS violation
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KevinMarks
or a sign that I need a new scratch workspace
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KartikPrabhu
is very tempted to complete the "navigation UI" post in time for IWC Portland but is also tempted to sleep
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: fwiw I have decided to not have a separate comments page for article since I would complicate marginalia.js a whole lot more
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rhiaro
arrived at iwc, people drinking coffee
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KartikPrabhu
particularly if I use a "hijax" version on the comments page on the actual post then readers won't be able to see marginalia unless they click on "see comments" link
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rhiaro
has not figured out the wifi yet
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: you should write up “separate comments page” as inevitably it will become necessary once you get too many (100s?) of comments on an post or paragraph etc.
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tantek
inline response display only scales so far
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tantek
oops just missed you KartikPrabhu - see log
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KartikPrabhu
boop! I'm here
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KartikPrabhu
bad internets
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KartikPrabhu
yes, I should. in fact I was contemplating a separate comments page for exactly those reasons
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KartikPrabhu
rhiaro: If it isn't too much trouble, could you wave "fanboyishly" for me at adactio, since his site is the one that brought me here :D
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rhiaro
talky.io/iwcbrighton
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rhiaro
How's it looking/sounding?
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rhiaro
beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton actually
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LukasRos
I have a picture.
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LukasRos
And sound too.
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KevinMarks
I have a portait format adactio
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KevinMarks
who is talking in german?
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KevinMarks
LukasRos? is that you?
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LukasRos
Oops sorry, yes.
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rhiaro.co.uk
edited /2015/Brighton (+36) "/* Remote Attending */"
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KevinMarks
no problem, just wanted to be sure you realised you were overheard
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LukasRos
doesn’t know the difference between turning speaker off and microphone on.
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rhiaro.co.uk
edited /2015/Brighton (+18) "/* Remote Attending */"
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KevinMarks
I have a microphone with it's own mute button. much safer
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KevinMarks
oops, brighton vanished
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rhiaro.co.uk
edited /2015/Brighton (+61) "/* Indie Web Camp Brighton 2015 */"
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rhiaro
ping seeker: streaming has begun http://beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton
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rhiaro
s/seeker/seekr
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Loqi
rhiaro meant to say: ping seekr: streaming has begun http://beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton
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KevinMarks
not seeing it rhiaro
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rhiaro
LukasRos: is it working for you?
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rhiaro
It *looks* fine
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rhiaro
KevinMarks can you hear?
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KevinMarks
I'll reload
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rhiaro
If that doesn't work, I'll reload
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KevinMarks
only seeing myself
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rhiaro
I'm reloading
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@Vecchi_Paolo
@ellenbroad It's quite normal but maybe there is also a lot of people going to the Indie Web Camp today https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton
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rhiaro
I see KevinMarks
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rhiaro
briefly
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rhiaro
sound okay?
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rhiaro
awesome
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LukasRos
rhiaro: Now it’s working again.
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rhiaro
adactio: introduces IWC, principles, shows own site "crappy php, not proud of it, but it works"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: my website is http://adactio.com - it's 10 year old crappy PHP I'm not proud of, but it works
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rhiaro
... Also owns own bookmarks. Lists sites he used that went down..
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seekr
thanks, rhiaro & Loqi - was in the kitchen rustlin' up a bit o' brekkie :) - will attempt to tune in
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rhiaro
... Has a bookmarklet
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: I own my own links. I used to use delicious, but it died, then I used magnolia… now I use my own site
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rhiaro
KevinMarks if you're going to live tweet I won't scribe in here
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: at the last indiewebcamp in Dusseldorf, which was a lot of fun, I added sending webmentions to sites I link to
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KevinMarks
I may fall asleep though
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rhiaro
I'll pick up if so :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: when I post a photo I send a copy to twitter - I highly recommend it - I'm no longer a slave to twitter
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rhiaro
Push notification from twitter: "kevinmarks and tommorris are tweeting about indiewebcamp"
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seekr
thanks, rhiaro - talky still seems to be unworking for me (Linux & Firefox) - may have to try Windoze under vbox
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: ideally I want to do with instagram what I do with twitter, but there is no posting api
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tommorris
rhiaro: ha
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rhiaro
seekr: it *should* work in firefox I think... but I think it works best in chrome
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rhiaro
or chromium
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: instead I use http://ownyourgram.com to get the photo back from instagram to my site with micropub
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seekr
eschews chrome, along with as much of the rest of the googleverse as possible
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: what I want to do is POSSE - Post Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere
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seekr
ah - I could try chromium, rhiaro
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rhiaro
seekr: what's not working specifically. Site not loading, or just no video/audio?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: but with instagram I have to do PESOS - Post Elsewhere Share Own Site - I'm not proud of these acronyms
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: It feels very good to be hosting my own photos - i have 10 years of flickr ones I should import
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KevinMarks
who's next?
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rhiaro
petermnolar
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rhiaro
I might have spelt that wrong
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rhiaro
petermolnar ?
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ShaneHudson_
Hey all, just joined talky :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @petermolnar: I used to have my own CMS, and I could run wordpress but that gets hacked a lot
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @petermolnar: so I have my own site with posts based on markdown https://petermolnar.eu
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @petermolnar: wordpress has a lot of plugins that help with the indieweb that do webmentions and other indieweb apis
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+61) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ tommorris's year in review"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @petermolnar: I wrote a little plugin called keyring reactions importer that brings in facebook, twitter etc without using brid.gy
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @petermolnar: brid.gy is brilliant if you want to use it; I'm fed up with social networks so now I only post on my own site
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tantek
rhiaro: you should still scribe here since KevinMarks is summarizing
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tantek
yay I see adactio on the screen now
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rhiaro
tantek: it was all duplicate for a while
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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tantek
he said he’s going to demonstrate Bridgy
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rhiaro
*adactio demos bridgy*
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: let me show brid.gy in action what happens when someone replies on twitter to one of my posts that I have shared there
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tantek
rhiaro: duplication is ok - we can dedup later ;)
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rhiaro
I think KevinMarks is scribing pretty thoroughly
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tantek
waves at adactio
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tantek
adactio: for example, all these likes came from instagram
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rhiaro
waving only works if you turn your camera on
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: brid.gy sends a notification via webmention when you receive comments
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petermolnar
(macs... glowing apples everywhere...)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: Brid.gy is open source so you could run your own instance of it, but it runs really really well
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: you can also use brid.gy to publish to silos; I use it for the incoming
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tommorris
my notes are now cc0
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KevinMarks
what's rosa's twitter again
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tantek
tommorris++
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Loqi
tommorris has 83 karma
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rhiaro
rosa-fox.com
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tantek
KevinMarks check /2014/UK
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@tinokremer
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @petermolnar: wordpress has a lot of plugins that help with the indieweb that do webmentions and other indieweb a…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Rosaemerald: I made my own site last year at indiewebcamp, using a template
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Rosaemerald: I made my site by copying a lot of html in one giant page; now I want to make separate posts so you can link
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: one thing is to add the h-entry microformat to your blog posts so it can make sense to other people you mention
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KevinMarks
should add url hcard parsing to noterlive as well as twitter handle fetching
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KevinMarks
who's next?
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@tinokremer
@kevinmarks instead I use Known, easy setup and fully #indieweb compliant
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rhiaro
john-ellison.com
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rhiaro
I seem to have lost my namebadge already
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @iamjohnellison: I have my own site at http://john-ellison.com based on ghost
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: there is a service at webmention.io that will handle webmentions for you and some js to embed in your site
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KevinMarks
who's hammering?
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petermolnar
unknown builder on the roof
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rhiaro
someone next room
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @iamjohnellison: if i have Ghost self-hosted I can use webmentions?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: you can use 3rd parties like webmention.io and http://webmention.herokuapp.com to embed mentions by javascript
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tantek
hey it’s rhiaro
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tantek
her site is PHP+MySQL
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tantek
posts all her notes to her site and POSSEs to Twitter
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: I'm Amy - been involved in indieweb for about a year - my site is http://rhiaro.co.uk
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@petermolnar
@kevinmarks @iamjohnellison not directly with Ghost, you'll need something, like webmention.io that accepts webmentions.
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tantek
she has a /micropub endpoint on her server
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tantek
she didn’t want to write a posting client, so she likes to use /Quill
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: it's some PHP I wrote - I have a micropub endpoint so I can post using http://quill.p3k.io
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tantek
rhiaro posts checkins, notes, longer articles with titles, bookmarks, RSVPs, reposts
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tantek
likes as well
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: I post checkins, notes, longer articles, bookmarks, RSVPs and likes
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tantek
I don’t go near Twitter half the time, I just use Quill and Bridgy.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: I do a like using quill, and brid.gy sends it to twitter -i don't go near twitter myself
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tantek
I don’t have my own webmention endpoint at the moment, I use webmention.io
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petermolnar
what is quill?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: I don't have my own webmention endpoint at the moment so I use webmention.io for it
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Loqi
Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/Quill
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: this is all the webmentions for my homepage on webmention.io
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KevinMarks
what was the question?
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Loqi
question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indiewebcamp.com/question
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petermolnar
KevinMarks: pagination on webmention.io to prevent MASSIVE json blobs
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tantek
adactio framing IndieAuth: using one of the principles of the indieweb thing which is to be as lazy as possible, we use third parties
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ShaneHudson_
Oh dear, I have an issue with indie auth... changed twitter to use a folder instead of root for website and cloudflare now does email protection lol
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: what quill does is let you authenticate using indieauth with your own website, using the principle of being lazy
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@tinokremer
#indieweb I'm new to #IndieWeb (2 weeks), my site (Known) is http://stream.tinokremer.nl/ and I love it. @kevinmarks
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: so I put in my URL, it looks for rel-me links to a sites with OAuth and logs me in there
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@tinokremer
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adactio: what quill does is let you authenticate using indieauth with your own website, using the principle of b…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: If someone wants to make a beautiful posting interface, you can make it work for any site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: go to https://quill.p3k.io/editor for a nicer interface like medium
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: with something like quill you can make it available for anyone to use to post to their site via micropub
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@calum_ryan
Pondering over possible upgrades to my site this weekend #indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: the idea is that instead of creating interfaces from scratch, you can share the interface to anyone
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: you could even make a native app that uses the micropub api to post to our sites
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petermolnar
rhiaro why y no https? :)
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rhiaro
getting around to it petermolnar
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rhiaro
Maybe I'll deal with that this weekend too
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KevinMarks
is this petere again?
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KevinMarks
who dis?
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rhiaro
KevinMarks: this is Lewis
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rhiaro
lewisnyman.co.uk
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rhiaro
Switched his personal site from drupal to jekyll
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rhiaro
..hates thinking about servers
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lewisnyman: I switched my site http:/// from Drupal to Jekyl which felt greta as I was writing html again
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rhiaro
... But started wanting to do more, own more content, publish to twitter. Found this really difficult
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lewisnyman: as I started wanting to do more- post images and so on, I found this more difficult
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petermolnar
rhiaro : ssl.com; free for 3 month periods ( you can re-apply when it expires ); fairly easy to set up
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rhiaro
... Process right now is to write a flat file in local environment and deploy compiled code to github
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rhiaro
petermolnar: thanks! I didn't know that one
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petermolnar
unlike startssl, which is horrible
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rhiaro
Indeed
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @lewisnyman: as I was writing flat files on my local machine, I couldn't use it from my phone
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tantek
petermolnar could you add that about ssl.com to /HTTPS ?
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rhiaro
*live googling*
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rhiaro: there is something called Jekmentions for jekyll webmentions
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petermolnar
I'll add some best practices as well, even though I hate that phrase
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KevinMarks
what is jekmentions
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Loqi
Jekmentions is a service that works as webmention endpoint and saves the received webmentions in a GitHub repository https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekmentions
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rhiaro
adactio: anyone else using jekyll? *several hands up*
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LukasRos
rhiaro and others: There’s also the option to use Cloudflare and their free SSL certificates, but it’s a MITM proxy. I use that for my site.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: anyone using jekyll? (many hands go up)
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petermolnar
do we have a server provider recommendations wiki page?
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petermolnar
for self hosted things
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petermolnar
by the way, rhiaro if you're not in a hurry, you may want to wait for https://letsencrypt.org/
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rhiaro
Giulia
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tantek
petermolnar, yes, see what is webhosting?
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Loqi
Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) https://indiewebcamp.com/webhosting
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rhiaro
petermolnar: I am waiting for letsencrypt (in March they said July, I guess it's now September..?) but I should sort something out in the mean time
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rhiaro
giugee.com/blog
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rhiaro
... I wouldn't say 'website' more 'collection of pages'. Likes a static website.
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petermolnar
thanks tantek
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rhiaro
... Own server on Digital Ocean
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shanehudson.net
edited /2015/Brighton (+277) "Added myself to remote"
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rhiaro
... Ruby and Octopress. Connect to github with webhooks, to have blog on github, so there's always a mirror
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Giulia: My site is at http://giugee.com/blog but it is more of a set of static pages that I post on my own server and github
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Giulia: I connect to github with webhooks so there is always a mirror available
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: I'd like to have static versions of my site somewhere safe in case my database goes down
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: I like having github to show me all the changes I have down
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KevinMarks
markdown--
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Loqi
markdown has -2 karma
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rhiaro
markdown++
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Loqi
markdown has -1 karma
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tantek
references his obligatory tantek.com/w/Markdown
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ShaneHudson_
I write in markdown and export as html (in iA Writer Pro)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adactio: I'm not sure I would store markdown
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rhiaro
tantek, I'm sure I recall a couple of the markdown improvements you mention on your Markdown post actually already exist
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rhiaro
Like, alternative way for headings
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rhiaro
It's been a while since I read it
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rhiaro
tommorris.org
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tantek
yay tommorris!
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rhiaro
... Rails, Postgres
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rhiaro
... In built edit
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I'm tom at https://tommorris.org/ - the site is built in rails with a postgres backend; it's mostly posts
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I have my own edit ui with posts and tags to add
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I've been building a 'places' section which is foursquare/tripadvisor on my own site
(twtr.io/11WAd5NToyf)
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petermolnar.eu
edited /HTTPS (+101) "adding link to free ssl.com certificate"
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rhiaro
... Sign in with Persona
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I use OpenStreetMap for locations and Mozilla Persona to sign in
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rhiaro
twilio++
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Loqi
twilio has 2 karma
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: one thing I did a while back is using twilio to send an xml blob when I post a text message to blog
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rhiaro
... In the process of switching to Django
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I'm in the process of switching over to django from rails for my site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: also you get practical well-built libraries rather than hacked together crap
(twtr.io/11WAxQ1S6dx)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I hope to open source my new version and let the hacky rails nastiness die
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I syndicate to twitter, and then use twitter to go to facebook
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: I'm getting webmentions back, but not displaying everything
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @tommorris: vim is a nicer writing environment than web browsers as browsers have only had 20 years to write one
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KevinMarks
getting sleepy
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seekr
join #perl
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seekr
oops
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tantek
what is perl?
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tantek
(ouch)
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tantek
what are languages?
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Loqi
language may refer to human (AKA natural) languages or computer (often programming) languages https://indiewebcamp.com/languages
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KevinMarks
perl is short for Particularly Esoteric Regex Language and consists largely of punctuation.
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loqi.me
created /perl (+118) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-11/line/1436609167853 and dfn added by KevinMarks"
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rhiaro
opensourcespecialist.co.uk Raphael
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I hope to open source my new version and let the hacky rails nastiness die
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KevinMarks
bad cert?
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petermolnar
KevinMarks the company I work for has perl as main language for the business, and yes, I do cry sometimes when no one is looking
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I'm in the process of switching over to django from rails for my site
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: one thing I did a while back is using twilio to send an xml blob when I post a text message to blog
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seekr
Perl is good.
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I use OpenStreetMap for locations and Mozilla Persona to sign in
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KevinMarks
(can't quite hear him)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Raphael: I'm Raphael and my site is https://opensourcespecialist.co.uk/
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seekr
I'm still trying to find a way to connect. :-\
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@JaneAllie_9294
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I've been building a 'places' section which is foursquare/tripadvisor on my own site
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@WillaCassandra_
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I've been building a 'places' section which is foursquare/tripadvisor on my own site
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tantek
rhiaro: if you can understand in person you should minute
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tantek
we can’t really understand the speaker on talky
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @lewisnyman: as I started wanting to do more- post images and so on, I found this more difficult
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Giulia: I connect to github with webhooks so there is always a mirror available
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rhiaro
what is https
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Loqi
HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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petermolnar
my fail2ban kicked in on ssh to my domain from the 68 Middle Street ip O.o
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petermolnar
either I'm doing something wrong or someone is sniffing around
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+80) "/* Press */ see more"
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ben_thatmustbeme
okay, its not just me not being able to understand talky
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seekr
good morning, ben_thatmustbeme!
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KevinMarks
lots of audience conversation makes it hard
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rhiaro
adactio: I use https, have no idea who the people verifying my site are
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Raphael: I'm running my own server and my site is based on Jekyll
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rhiaro
petermolnar: trusted people, don't question that
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seekr
guess I don't feel so bad not being able to connect (yet, still trying) knowing that the audio is inaudible - hope they can work something out - maybe get a direct connection to the speaker's mic?
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ben_thatmustbeme
kevin marks, i just get crazy echo
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KevinMarks
who's next
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rhiaro
seekr: no mics
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rhiaro
paulrobertlloyd.com
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KevinMarks
echo might just be you- headphones?
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seekr
ah, rhiaro
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rhiaro
... MoveableType for site
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KevinMarks
also Charle Stross uses moveable type
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petermolnar.eu
edited /Nginx (+514) "adding PFS dhparams"
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rhiaro
... Working on a new Jekyll version, hosted on own site not github pages
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ben_thatmustbeme
was really bad on FF, its smooth on chrome
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ben_thatmustbeme
i can hear now
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I have been using moveable type but switched to jekyll hosted on my own site http://paulrobertlloyd.com
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rhiaro
Not sure how many people can be connected on talky beta, anyone?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI
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petermolnar.eu
edited /Nginx (+1) "/* PFS (Perfect Forward Secrecy) */"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I'm happier using other people's things and joining them together than coding it all
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KevinMarks
(really feeling sleepy now - are there many left?)
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rhiaro
I can't read that URL
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rhiaro
KevinMarks: loads of people here, don't know how many want to demo
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rhiaro
Andrea Rota
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@javascriptd
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adactio: you can use 3rd parties like webmention.io and http://webmention.herokuapp.com to embed mentions by javascript
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neuro`
Good morning campers.
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rhiaro
cool, 25 people in talkybeta room
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @hotzeplotz: my interest in indieweb comes from a long time ago
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rhiaro
as in, there can be, not there are
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @hotzeplotz: other universities were using their own slos in a clunky way - why not let them use their own sites?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @hotzeplotz: I have been waiting for something like the indieweb to happen
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ben_thatmustbeme
40 people, nice
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neuro`
Is there a live stream somewhere please?
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@jrobertson
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @hotzeplotz: I have been waiting for something like the indieweb to happen
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neuro`
Thx ShaneHudson_
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: have you got some IWC stickrs to give out?
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: Oh, I left them in Edinburgh
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rhiaro
Didn't even think about that
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rhiaro
Paul from CozyCloud
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rhiaro
Uses Cozy for his own site: Photos, files
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petermolnar
question: should a write how to update a (freely hosted) dns entry for _any_ domain on digitalocean with an ip? what way hosting at home could actually be easy with any domain; in theory of course
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rhiaro
... Calendar
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rhiaro
... Sync'd with phone
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rhiaro
... Notes
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tantek
selfdogfooding++
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Loqi
selfdogfooding has 1 karma
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rhiaro
what is cozycloud
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rhiaro
... Can import any data, eg. quantified self
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rhiaro
... Can also manage bank account from Cozy: Kresus
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neuro`
cozycloud++
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Loqi
cozycloud has 1 karma
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KevinMarks
audio just went all dalek
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rhiaro
... There's also a market place for open source Cozy applications, nodejs
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rhiaro
... Developed micropub client inside Cozy, so he can publish pictures to Known (!!)
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KevinMarks
I'm going to sleep now
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neuro`
n8 KevinMarks
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rhiaro
... use to share with friends and family, either publicly or privately
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neuro`
thank you for the LT
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rhiaro
Great scribing KevinMarks++
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rhiaro
... Wants to use webmention in Cozy for sharing
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rhiaro
glennjones: transmat.io/glennjones
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rhiaro
glennjones.net
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rhiaro
... Has notes
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rhiaro
... Collects likes etc on notes
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rhiaro
... not using bridgy, using own tool called transmat, very similar to bridgy
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grantmorrison.net
edited /2015/Brighton (-176) "/* Participating */"
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rhiaro
... So if I ever lose twitter, I have all data including conversations
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rhiaro
oooooh prior and post conversation looks good
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@kevinmarks
my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/
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rhiaro
... Replies to existing tweet by copying URL into posting interface
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rhiaro
... Also have a browser plugin that injects a button into twitter
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rhiaro
glennjones++
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Loqi
glennjones has 7 karma
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tantek.com
edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (-6) "/* 2014 */ fix adactio link to point just to his video"
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@kevinmarks
RT @tinokremer: #indieweb I'm new to #IndieWeb (2 weeks), my site (Known) is http://stream.tinokremer.nl/ and I love it. @kevinmarks
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rhiaro
... transmat.io has a stream, with all post types or can choose between them
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rhiaro
... Quite interested in checkins interface at the moment
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rhiaro
... Demos transmat checkin UI
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rhiaro
... Does geolocation and brings a map. Also started collecting places/venues in database. UI tries to work out nearest venue.
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rhiaro
... Problem: often without wifi, or dodgy connection
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rhiaro
... Interface is too big for that
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rhiaro
... So been trying out nearthing.io. Uses webworkers
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rhiaro
... service workers
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rhiaro
... allows you to offline stuff
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rhiaro
... stores all locations inside browser itself
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ShaneHudson_
Ah very nice. That's what I'm wanting to do, use service workers so that there is more chance I will actually be able to POSSE
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ShaneHudson_
Has anyone else done anything with service workers yet?
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rhiaro
Benjamin Parry(?)
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rhiaro
benjamin.parry.is
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ben_thatmustbeme
peoplenamedbenjamin++ :P
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Loqi
peoplenamedbenjamin has 1 karma
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rhiaro
... Jekyll, hosted on github
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rhiaro
... Would like to get webmentions running
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rhiaro
... Also offlineoffroad.co.uk for mountain biking journal
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rhiaro
... logs rides and recipes
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rhiaro
... Also interested in publishing when not online. SMS, offline checkins etc
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rhiaro
Calum: was here last year
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ShaneHudson_
I think offline would be a good thing to discuss
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rhiaro
... Since then, I've done some stuff on my site: calumryan.com
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rhiaro
... Also Jekyll
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rhiaro
... Added microformats, recently POSSE to twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme
needs to check if offline checkins are working in mobilepub
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rhiaro
... *shows admin area*
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rhiaro
... Next thing to look at media, currently purely text
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: i doubt i'll be around but tell them about mobilepub, it needs a lot of development, but it works in concept
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ShaneHudson_
what is mobilepub
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Loqi
MobilePub is a mobile app for posting text, links, photos, videos, and audio files to your website using micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub
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ShaneHudson_
Oh nice, that sounds useful
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ben_thatmustbeme
i've done offline posting with it
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ben_thatmustbeme
its broken for offline media posts
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tantek
norm!
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rhiaro
Norm: marknormanfrancis.com
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rhiaro
... Have written my own website software about 17 times
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rhiaro
... More excited about code than words
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rhiaro
... Set myself a challenge this year of writing more words
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rhiaro
... Last time was in april..
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rhiaro
... Want to demonstrate PESOS
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rhiaro
... Started this in 2011
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ben_thatmustbeme
"more excited about writing the code than writing the words" I completely understand that
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rhiaro
... Website currently has coucdb behind it, pull things from APIs and dump json
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rhiaro
... Cron job that fetched them stoped working in 2011
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rhiaro
... "I'll fix that in a bit" 4 years ago
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rhiaro
... eurovisiondrinking.com
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rhiaro
... when you're watching eurovision, it tells you when to drink. Static site hosted on S3
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ShaneHudson_
That's a complicated drinking game! :D
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ben_thatmustbeme
really long looking URL
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rhiaro
... devfort-mocks.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com
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rhiaro
... Flask
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petermolnar.eu
edited /web_hosting (+1758) "Personal Clouds: using digital ocean as dns provider for home-hosted setups"
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rhiaro
... Compiles locally, deploys to S3
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rhiaro
... Cheaper
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rhiaro
... You can have a database driven website, but if it doesn't need to be dynamic when people are looking at it you can run database locally and just push static html
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tantek
what is digital ocean?
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Loqi
DigitalOcean is a web hosting provider targeted towards developers and offers low cost cloud servers in data centers across the world https://indiewebcamp.com/digital_ocean
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rhiaro
IWC Bingo: 'there's a page on the wiki for that'
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petermolnar
...also providing free dns hosting, not advertised too much
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rhiaro
Johannes: johannesdachsel.com
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rhiaro
... Notes and Articles
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: when does that bingo app get made?
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rhiaro
... OwnYourGram, micropub
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rhiaro
... POSSE
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rhiaro
... to twitter
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rhiaro
... Wrote a posting interface to make it easier to edit for twitter
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rhiaro
... Would like to switch to https
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petermolnar
( every single time I see POSSE I always hear H.P. Baxxter's voice from Scooter screaming 'Welcome POSSE' from their Back in the U.K. song )
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@LilyLionheart
Very excited about the next two days @ #indiewebcamp in the fantastic @clearleft house. Thanks for organizing @adactio & @Lottejackson!
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+739) "/* Talks */ pick a few to highlight representative for the year"
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rhiaro
... ProcessWire CMS
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rhiaro
Charlotte: lottejackson.com
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rhiaro
... Just wanted to start writing
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rhiaro
... KraftCMS (?)
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rhiaro
... Post articles and links
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rhiaro
... This weekend, want to look at webmentions, microformats
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rhiaro
... I also post a lot on twitter and flickr, would like to POSSE
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rhiaro
... Have seen one plugin for webmentions
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rhiaro
... Craft
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rhiaro
s/Kraft/Craft
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seekr
sprry, rhiaro - I missed your question 1.5 hours ago, messing with various things - you wrote: "Jul 11 05:22:02 <rhiaro> seekr: what's not working specifically. Site not
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seekr
loading, or just no video/audio?" My answer is that Firefoxputs up a little widgety thing and says my mic is active, but does nothing else - remember, I have a broken camera - Chromium does nothing at all - trying various forms of Windoze now
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rhiaro
seekr: hm, it should work without camera
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rhiaro
adactio: schedule time! Then go for lunch
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seekr
I'll continue to fiddle with it rhiaro
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ShaneHudson_
I'm working on getting micropub working. So close
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ben_thatmustbeme
can we see the scheduling / grid
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ben_thatmustbeme
just seeing the same site up on screen right nwo
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ShaneHudson_
Is Charlotte on here? If she is using Craft, a few of my plugins may help.
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@JaneAllie_9294
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI
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@WillaCassandra_
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI
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tantek
I think I’ve got nearly all the sections of https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review ready to be blogged except one
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tantek
if anyone would like to help out by summarizing 2014 site deaths - could you use your help here: https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Site_Deaths_2014
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seekr
what happened to this channel? it's been dead for some time, it seems - is Bright on on a lunch break or what?
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seekr
*Brighton
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seekr
ah
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seekr
I still can't get talky to work :(
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ben_thatmustbeme
something disabled maybe
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ben_thatmustbeme
or proxy issues
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seekr
I'm running an oldish version of Linux Mint (v 14, Nadia), but my Firefox is relatively current
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ShaneHudson_
Talky is working for me but video feed is off
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seekr
There's no firewall that I know of - just put in a new router - should check, though
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: therem something to look at
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seekr
do certain ports have to be open and/or forwarded?
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ShaneHudson_
ben_thatmustbemeHaha aww :)
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seekr
hmmm
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: and her sister
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ShaneHudson_
Ugh the one thing I don't like about Craft is the plugin routing. Takes me forever to work out
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson_: there is Charlotte's twitter handle if you wanted to tweet to her about the plugins you mentioned
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ShaneHudson_
Ah yeah cheers
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@ShaneHudson
@Lottejackson I have a few very unstable Craft plugins for POSSE, webmention and micropub if you're interested?
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ben_thatmustbeme
seekr what browser?
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seekr
Firefox, ben_thatmustbeme
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seekr
I tried Chromium also.
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ben_thatmustbeme
what happens?
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seekr
nothing happens with Chromium - just have a blank browser window
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seekr
in FF, a little widgety thing launches, asks for permission to use the mic, which I give it - and then there no further activity
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ben_thatmustbeme
weird. so it sounds like its not getting mic/vid control
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ben_thatmustbeme
if i try to open talky in two dif browsers thats what i get
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seekr
possibly
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ben_thatmustbeme
becasue the second one can never get access to the cam/audio
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seekr
ah - well, I have skype running - wonder if it's interfering
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seekr
I'll shut it down to see if it makes a difference.
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seekr
The Windoze route failed - nearly maxes out the cpu
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seekr
(under vbox)
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahhh this is under vbox
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seekr
well, only the windoze attempt was
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seekr
that's after both ff & chromium failed under Linux itself
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seekr
gonna shut down vbox & skype and try again
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ben_thatmustbeme
but the cam / audio was working in skype
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ben_thatmustbeme
make sure its trying to get access to the correct camera?
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seekr
there's only one - built in (lappie), which got broken when I spilled tea on the kb :)
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seekr
also fried the circuitry for the kb itself and he monitor - I use it with external devices
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seekr
thanks, KevinMarks!
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seekr
when do sessions resume?
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ben_thatmustbeme
probably quite soon
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seekr
trying talky in ff - vbox & skype now gone
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seekr
nothing happening - just the little widgety thing is present
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seekr
maybe it's trying to open the camera and fails - no error msgs, tho
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ben_thatmustbeme
nothing in dmesg?
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seekr
will check...
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rhiaro
55 mins
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rhiaro
Long lunch in the sun..
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rhiaro
1400 bst
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seekr
ah - my experience with England is that the sun generally hides behind clouds - spent a summer there - very bleak most of the time
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ShaneHudson_
It is a really nice day, I went and sat in the garden for a little while :) sooo bright
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seekr
ah - good
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seekr
nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, its just failing to get the cam i'm sure
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ShaneHudson_
Should probably grab some food though, brb while I make a bacon sarny :)
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seekr
ben_thatmustbeme: nothing in dmesg for two whole days!
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@mshook
RT @kevinmarks: my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/
(twtr.io/11WNF6vdTV4)
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seekr
ben_thatmustbeme: are you using Firefox with talky?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i had it working, closed it for chrome as FF was choppy for me
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seekr
just wondering whether the widget-thing should have more than the FF logo and mic icon
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seekr
maybe it also generally has a camera icon?
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seekr
if so, it might indicate that it's non-forgiving of a broken camera
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seekr
Is there any audio or audio/video recording going on in Brighton for later archiving?
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ben_thatmustbeme
not sure, i don't think so
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seekr
you think there should be a camera icon as part of the widget?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i get the ff logo, cam, and mic (orange bg on the latter two)
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ben_thatmustbeme
and an orange cam in the address bar
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seekr
ah - that's gotta be it, then!
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seekr
I see only the FF logo and a while mic on an orange background
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seekr
It's prolly hanging trying to open the camera.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i would guess so
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@JaneAllie_9294
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @hotzeplotz: other universities were using their own slos in a clunky way - why not let them use their own sites?
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RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @hotzeplotz: other universities were using their own slos in a clunky way - why not let them use their own sites?
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seekr
too bad it's not configurable to ignore a missing or broken camera
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rhiaro
I dunno what the state of streaming will be after lunch btw
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rhiaro
Depends on people in sessions and if there are spare laptops
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seekr
Is there an essay somewhere that explains why silos as primary repositories are a bad thing? I'm assuming it's cos someone else owns the data, but perhaps my assumption is incorrect.
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rhiaro
What is why
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Loqi
"You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix
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seekr
ah
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seekr
thanks, rhiaro
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ShaneHudson_
rhiaro: There will be docs for each session though right?
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seekr
have the snowden revelations caused more people to become interested in such things, do you think? It's sounding to me as if people are willing to feel stuff from their sites to silos, but maybe I'm wrong. If I'm not, doesn't it mean that privacy and/or anonymity are lost anyway? Sorry to be such a dumb newbie - just feelin' my way 'round here. :)
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seekr
*to feed stuff
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rhiaro
There are many reasons in the community
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rhiaro
People are different
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seekr
such have I discovered :)
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ShaneHudson_
For me it was a nice way to give new life to my site
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seekr
wouldn't one want to avoid silos altogether if one is security conscious - maybe doing countercultural political stuff and wanting to maintain anonymity?
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seekr
so the syndication bit is optional, I s'pose
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ShaneHudson_
On Quill, it is using the wrong micropub endpoint despite it being in the HEAD of my site? Any ideas?
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ShaneHudson_
*the right one being in the HEAD
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ben_thatmustbeme
what URL are you logging in with?
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ShaneHudson_
shanehudson.net
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ShaneHudson_
Ah there we go
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ShaneHudson_
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Brightonians have returned from lunch.
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GWG
tommorris: What about Location and Check-in?
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GWG: well, trying to explore ideas and solutions
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GWG
tommorris: I've been trying to do that myself. Curious to see what you come up with
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rhiaro.co.uk
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rhiaro
I added links to empty etherpads on the schedule ^ anyone here who's paying attention, make notes on your session :)
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ShaneHudson_
what is indieweb.txt
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rhiaro
ShaneHudson_: an idea someone had earlier, not sure
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tommorris
just floated the idea of micropub-backfill
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tommorris
if you are doing PESOS, you could have an intermediary service that grabs all the *stuff* and PESOSes it to your own site
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@tvnweb
Talking through the 'checklist' of #IndieWeb technologies http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619858175374790656/photo/1
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@tvnweb
Another group is talking about PESOS (Publish Elsewhere Syndicate on you Own Site) techniques #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619858662585159680/photo/1
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@rhiaro
@tvnweb Be cool if you could encourage people to take notes - links to etherpads on schedule https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule :)
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@IndieWebCampUK
Note taking for sessions in etherpads linked on the schedule: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule
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@rhiaro
RT @IndieWebCampUK: Note taking for sessions in etherpads linked on the schedule: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule
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petermolnar.eu
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@alicenwondrlnd
How 'indie' are you? In session on IndieMark - defining a set of metrics for measuring the #indieweb-ness of a site http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark
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@andybudd
@alicenwondrlnd sounds like you've joined a cult / @adactio #indieweb
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ShaneHudson_
Not perfect but micropub just published a note for me
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson++ nice!
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Loqi
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ShaneHudson_
I will also push the code to github
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ben_thatmustbeme
Yay. What is your site in?
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ben_thatmustbeme
Oh yeah you said that
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shanehudson.net
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ShaneHudson_
Won't add geolocation support yet to plugin since that would require my specific setup... but Quill is now adding geo nicely to my posts :)
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shanehudson.net
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ShaneHudson_
Who controls the indie auth site? Think to improve indieweb experience on mobile, that should be responsive
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LukasRos
ShaneHudson_: You mean indieauth.com? That site was made by aaronpk.
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ShaneHudson_
Ah ok thought it might have been :) I actually mean the /auth page but yes
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@tinokremer
I just moved my Tumblr posts to my own @withknown site, feels good! #indieweb
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ShaneHudson_
Are there any android devs here?
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@tinokremer
I just moved my Tumblr posts to my own @withknown site and deleted my Tumblr account, feels good! #indieweb
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LukasRos
I do have a little bit of Android experience.
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LukasRos
Unless you mean by ”žhere“ someone at the IWC because I’m not there.
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ShaneHudson_
Nor am I :)
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ShaneHudson_
I am wondering how easy it is to create an app that will appear in the share menu on twitter. So that I can click "Reply on own site" and it will either handle micropub locally or hook into Quill or something on the web
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ShaneHudson_
So that I can use Twitter app as my reader like I already do but reply via POSSE. Currently it is so much easier to use the twitter app so I do
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LukasRos
Haven’t done this but shouldn’t be too difficult, because you just need to know which Intent the app uses for sharing and then handle that Intent.
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LukasRos
I think it should be an intent filter for android.intent.action.SEND.
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LukasRos
Specified in the manifest. And then you need to parse the content of the Intent and either pass it to a URL in the browser or do something in the app.
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ShaneHudson_
Oh of course, it can be sent in the URL... hmm that makes it quite nice.
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ShaneHudson_
Will have a play :) If I can work out how to make an app haha Thanks :)
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LukasRos
That would be great.
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tommorris
following discussion at IWC Brighton, this now exists: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-experimental-properties
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ShaneHudson_
Ah nice :)
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ShaneHudson_
"For when we eventually build the open web dating service." I actually laughed out loud :D
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kylewm
ShaneHudson_: here's a possible solution for your android/twitter question https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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ShaneHudson_
kylewm: Oh yes, I think I've seen that before. Will give it another try thanks :)
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ShaneHudson_
Though might make an app anyway, just to learn how :)
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kylewm
I'll use your app if you do make it :)
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ShaneHudson_
Ah that's why I don't use it... it is disgusting xD
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ShaneHudson_
I'm going to go for a little walk then will make a start on it :)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Al Power replied '@glennjones @indiewebcamp sad to be missing it (at a wedding!) - have fun all #IndieWebCamp' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (https://twitter.com/alpower/status/619788327978405889)
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@calum_ryan
#indiewebcamp live blog http://calumryan.com/blog/indiewebcamp1/ (bear with me catching up!)
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@LukasRosenstock
Just blogged: "Phone Numbers and the IndieWeb" - https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/60002190
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LukasRos
Actually not ”žjust“, that post is a bit older, just updated POSSE to use Zapier.
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jgarber
Hello, IndieWebCampers! Has anyone combined Micropub with Rails? Specifically, ActiveRecord? ActiveRecord expects data (params) to be structured in a particular way so my first guess is that an app would need something between a Micropub endpoint and ActiveRecord, but wanted to float the question out there in case anyone else has tackled this.
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rhiaro
jgarber: I dunno about Rails, but your micropub endpoint can do whatever you want
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rhiaro
Translate/store the submitted data however you like
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jgarber
rhiaro: Ah, right, good point. Perhaps I was over-thinking the entire thing.
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bret
jgarber: i know some people have been doing some ruby work
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bret
not sure if they were using rails
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jgarber
bret: I saw that just now. Documentation is pretty lacking, unfortunately. :-/
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rhiaro
bret: there are a couple of people at IWC Brighton interested in gitpub (that's yours, right?)
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bret
rhiaro: yeah...... that needs work
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bret
think of it as a proof of concept! hope to have it rewritten this weekend
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rhiaro
Probably put that in the readme if it's not already!
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bret
hehe yeah i need to set better expectations
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rhiaro
Oh man, do I have to stay up all night to watch IWC PDX?
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rhiaro
I feel like I do.
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snarfed
happy IWC all!
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snarfed
tommorris: re pesos backfill, just fyi, check out https://github.com/snarfed/freedom
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rhiaro
snarfed++
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Loqi
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snarfed
ShaneHudson_: re indieweb replies etc on android, check out https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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snarfed
oh nm kylewm beat me to it
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rhiaro
Anyone at IWC Brighton have dinner plans?
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@awoods
RT @t: great talk by @barryf on “Why We Need The IndieWeb” https://vimeo.com/125167234 with why, how to, markup, code etc. (ttk.me t4aj1)
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: Good morning IWC! I'm hoping to participate remotely this weekend too. Is there a stream or webcam to load, or a hangout to join?
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: or a <http://talky.io|talky.io>
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bret
hi shaunguice
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bret
streams will be comin once the sessions start
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: cool. thanks
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gRegor-phone
On our way. Will we need to be buzzed in again?
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rhiaro
IWC Brighton will tune into pdx stream from the pub when it's up
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rhiaro
Somebody ping me when it is
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bret
will do!
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tommorris
is located in pub.
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@benjaminparry
Well that was one very exciting day of discussions and demos of #IndieWeb technologies! Let's see how much can be implemented tomorrow.
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rhiaro
tommorris we should be really social and talk over irc
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tommorris
Telepresence has found its compelling use case: getting drunk with geeks.
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ShaneHudson_
Finally, Android Studio has done its update
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GWG
Will be back after lunch to join in for a bit
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Loqi
gives KevinMarks the opposite of https
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@kevinmarks
@tcarmody @kissane links to the Facebook app take 8 seconds to load if you're on the web
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KevinMarks
can someone at indiewebcamp PDX do the noterlive scribing?
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rhiaro
Live stream??
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rhiaro
really wants to stream in the pub
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snarfed
KevinMarks: lol i hear you
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snarfed
should be doable!
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seekr
will the live stream from portland also use talky? seems I'm unable to connect to talky streams, due most likely to my non-functional camera, which seems to be needed for talky to work
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@kevinmarks
RT @tinokremer: @kevinmarks instead I use Known, easy setup and fully #indieweb compliant
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rhiaro
is concerned about welfare of Portland, it's too quiet
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KevinMarks_
They may be overcome by vegan donuts
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seekr
don
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seekr
oops - don't they start at 10:30 pdt, which is under 20 mins from now?
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rhiaro
is insanely jealous of anyone with vegan donuts
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rhiaro
Oh, I thought it was 10
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rhiaro
calms down
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seekr
rhiaro: according to the schedule at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Schedule , they should be starting about now
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@pypi_updates
django-webmention 0.0.2: A pluggable implementation of webmention for Django projects. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.2
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@Bradamante
just arrived @indiewebcamp, and already we're talking docs! :D #writethedocs
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bret
PDX is sstarting out
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seekr
will there be any sort of non-talky stream available?
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@TapestryMaker
Good turnout at #indiewebcamp in Portland -- @aaronpk's kicking things off
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bret
seekr: i could set up a youtube stream
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seekr
yeah!! would be wond'rous, bret! thanks muchly!!! :)
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: I'd like that.
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tantek
good morning from Portland!
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seekr
mornin', tantek
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KevinMarks_
. Morning Tantek
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@BillSeitz
RT @tinokremer: @kevinmarks instead I use Known, easy setup and fully #indieweb compliant
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KevinMarks_
Can someone there do noterlive.com scribing?
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tantek
aren’t we streaming?
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tantek
aaronpk introduces IndieWebCamp 2015!
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tantek
the 5th annual main IndieWebCamp
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tantek
aaronpk reviewed /principles
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seekr
tantek: bret has offered to do a uToob stream
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tantek
and gave a quick overview of /code-of-conduct as well
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tantek
aaronpk is now showing / explaining the schedule for the next two days. /2015/Schedule
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tantek
thanking the sponsors! ESRI for the space, nlnet, Bridgy, and Mozilla for food and other expenses
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seekr
still no sessions listed on schedule
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rhiaro
seekr: no sessions until after intro
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tantek
seekr - we’re not at session proposing yet
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seekr
oh - sorry
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rhiaro
wants stream tho...
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seekr
bret's working on it he sez, rhiaro
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@JvCode
RT @pypi_updates: django-webmention 0.0.2: A pluggable implementation of webmention for Django projects. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.2
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seekr
ah - great - thanks, bret!
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bret
seekr: working?
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Loqi
slack/shaunguice: bret: working. audio a bit trippy but definitely better than nothing!
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benwerd
Audio is a little funky, but hooray!
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Loqi
benwerd: snarfed left you a message on 7/10 at 4:02pm: feel better! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436569320504
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Loqi
benwerd: KevinMarks left you a message on 7/10 at 5:28pm: I hope you feel better soon http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436574511234
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bret
ack, sorry!
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 7/10 at 5:35pm: rest-up and feel better. Sorry to miss you but take care of yourself and we’ll hack online! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436574949684
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benwerd
Aw, thanks snarfed and tantek. I did the right thing (still under the weather), but I'm watching.
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rhiaro
thanks bret!
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bret
what is wrong with audio?
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seekr
bret - still setting up - will know in a moment
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rhiaro
Shame it's not a two way stream
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bret
rhiaro: we can set up a talky later for the sessions
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bret
or add you to the hangout?
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rhiaro
It's okay, it's tooloud for us to hear here
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rhiaro
And I don't know where I'll be later
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rhiaro
wifi etc
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rhiaro
It was nice to briefly connect the two events though :)
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KevinMarks_
Attending Brighton and watching g portland in the pub looks better than staying up until 4 watching Brighton then attending portland
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rhiaro
might stay up all night to watch portland
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seekr
bret: video is fine, but audio is very inaudible :(
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bret
is that better?
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seekr
not really
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bret
hrmm
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seekr
can't understand what she's saying
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seekr
ah - better now!
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bret
aaronpk: do we have a speaker phone?
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tantek
thanks for the audio check seekr!
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tantek
anyone taking notes on demos?
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bret
im streaming it
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benwerd
This is awesome
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bret
aaronpk: usb? can I grab it?
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tantek
I demo’d my indie RSVP support, and aaronpk’s indie event support. And also my <style scoped> support for custom post styles.
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tantek
LIly is now demoing her site, she takes photos of everything she buys as part of a “buy focal” project
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tantek
she uses Instagrator pro to PESOS Instagram posts to her site
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bret
ohh ok
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@benwerd
If you're missing #indiewebcamp, people are demoing their projects on the stream right now: https://www.youtube.com/
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@dangillmor
RT @benwerd: If you're missing #indiewebcamp, people are demoing their projects on the stream right now: https://www.youtube.com/
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tantek
problem with using Instagram as the client, they’re owned by Facebook, and their place/venue database is very bad
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tantek
demos purchasing a coffee cup for 2¢ and taking a photo of it with Instagram and it automatically getting posted to her personal site
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tantek
she can also show you a list of things by type