#indiewebcamp 2015-07-11

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tantek I think that was my first automatic RSVP to one of aaronpk’s indie events, and I saw the push notification of my RSVP show up on his mobile device!!!
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tantek seeing even more pieces come together is getting exciting
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KevinMarks nice
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tantek anything realtime like that that travels across space (and you can see it) is surreal
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KartikPrabhu tantek nicely done
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@One2Ad_com RT @t: going to and at IndieWebCamp Pre-Party @pintsbrewing now! http://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/07/10/1/indiewebcamp-pre-party silo https://www.facebook.com/events/1007859082588398 (ttk.me t4c61) (twitter.com/_/status/619662599433621504)
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KevinMarks !tell benwerd I hope you feel better soon
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell benwerd rest-up and feel better. Sorry to miss you but take care of yourself and we’ll hack online!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek those of you that markup the comments on your posts with microformats - would appreciate your markup review / criticism of my attempt to manually do so here: http://tantek.com/2015/190/b1/blinking-fever#blinking-fever-comments
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tantek the “how to markup” suggestion for comments on posts is perhaps not the best practice right now, and I’d like to fix it, but since I just started publishing comments on posts (manually even), I’d like more input/discussion from those of you that have been doing it longer
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KevinMarks should we iterate on that as part of the salmentions/swat0 work?
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tantek yes that is what’s driving this
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tantek but the only place we have such “how to markup” guidance for that now is http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#How_to_markup which I think is very out of date and not updated since people started marking up their comments on the posts
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tantek so we need to 1) gather examples of how people are marking up their comments on posts
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tantek hence my request above
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tantek then figure out the best practices from those
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tantek then update http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#How_to_markup accordingliy
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bret When are people meeting up?
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tantek bret - did you miss the party notice?
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tantek and in IRC ^^^
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tantek (my RSVP)
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aaronpk Didn't you get my email? ;-)
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bret I didn't see it
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tantek bret - tl;dr - we’re at Pints!
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tantek oh I said that at 16:33 here in IRC too
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aaronpk Darn. Well it was really just a summary of the /2015 schedule
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tantek bret: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436571230183 ;)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Chris_A_Marks: I don't use twitter (twitter.com/_/status/619675101730975744)
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KevinMarks hm, did I tweet that, oops
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KevinMarks I was experimenting
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@JGolownia RT @jgarber: IndieWebCamp is this weekend in Brighton, UK and Portland, OR. Not in either of those places? Participate online! http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/619676612414566400)
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bret I'll come by after food!
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bret Ty for the tldr
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Loqi [bridgy] Justin Golownia retweeted a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/JGolownia/status/619676612414566400)
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@benwerd I'm jealous of my friends at: 1) #indiewebcamp 2) #SDCC (twitter.com/_/status/619687110497337344)
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bret You still @ pints?
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ben_thatmustbeme Sad I Will be missing the events tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme Well be online Sunday though
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bret beeeeeeen
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek hey bret people disbanded from pints ~18:45
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bret yeah aaron told me :( ahh well
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bret just micropub hackin
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bret http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6750 relevant.... actually super useful
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tantek bret - feel to review http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Technologies and later sections - that’s what I’ve been working on. Going to try to put that out in a blog post tonight.
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bret didn't read this last time :p
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tantek should be a quick read
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bret lgtm
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tantek ty
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seekr ought not you fellas be abed by now? |-) :-)
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seekr It's nearly 04.00 GMT
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seekr oops 03.00
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bret only 7:45PM in pdx
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bret err 19:56
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bret 7*
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seekr ah - you're on the left coast, then - ok - we'll let you stay up a while longer :)
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seekr I'm a newbie here, and have seen lots of tech talk going by - wondering how much of what happens on the weekend will be at that level - will there be a few people speaking English (or British or whatever)?
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tantek seekr - the kinds of talk definitely varies here, though many of us do try to make things less jargony
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tantek do not hesitate to ask “what is …” about anything you see that’s not obvious
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seekr thanks, tantek - will do - checking now to see whether there's any more of a semblance of a schedule on the wiki than there was earlier today...
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tantek seekr - probably depends on the venue - each city is run fairly autonomously
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tantek Portland: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Schedule
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tantek Brighton: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule
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seekr ah the grid (http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Schedule) still looks extremely sparse, tantek
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bret seekr: do you have a website? :)
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tantek seekr - that’s by design - the grid isn’t filled out until the morning of, by people there in person
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seekr not as such - but I have the capability to create one
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tantek seekr have you ever been to a BarCamp?
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seekr nope - don't even know what it is - have been to a Podcamp (in Cambridge, MA) a couple times, tho
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tantek Pretty sure a PodCamp is just a particular-topic BarCamp
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seekr ah - good
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seekr I gotta poke through my IRC logs from this morning to see if I can find a link to previous years' grids (if they're still extant) - looking for some specific info
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seekr I wish I'd known about IndieWebCamp earlier, as I see there have been some events at MIT in Cambridge - could have gotten there easily (about 15 mins by bike)
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tantek seekr - yes the schedules are filled out for past events - and they vary widely because the participants vary!
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tantek We’ve had two IndieWebCamps in Cambridge so far. Likely another coming up sometime in October.
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seekr could make for some interesting reading, and useful prep for the weekend, I s'pose, though
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tantek maybe to skim sure
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seekr Will all presentations be made by people at the two venues (as opposed to people streaming from their own locations)?
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tantek seekr - perhaps start with http://indiewebcamp.com/principles and see which of those resonate with you
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seekr ok - thanks, tantek!
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tantek good question - it’s likely that most demos will be done by in person at the two locations, however I definitely know of a couple of folks that will be demoing from another city
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seekr and will there be a setup that permits questions from the virtual audience?
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tantek probably informally via IRC
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tantek just have to get someone’s attention at whichever site you want to ask a question of
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seekr ok - thanks - I'll peruse the wiki and get as much info as I can there - I'm sure you have better things to do than deal with newbie questions, and that much of what I want to know will be answered in the FAQs and elsewhere on the site - I hope the preps are going well
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GWG Good evening
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seekr hi again, GWG
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GWG seekr: I lurk all the time.
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tantek seekr - we seek to document answers to newbie questions as much as possible to help everyone who wants to get started
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seekr I've been lurking and logging since discovering the channel this morning - excited about what's happening on the weekend!
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GWG I wish I could have afforded to go, but I spent my discretionary travel money for 2015.
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seekr understood, tantek - but I wanna do enough of a review to make sure my questions are new newbie ones, if ya know what I mean :)
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GWG I'll be on in the afternoon NY time, which should be most of the events
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tantek seekr - keep asking good questions. GWG knows how well that can work :) and yes, that’s fair too
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tantek seekr speaking of which there’s also http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ
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GWG tantek: I haven't given up on asking.
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seekr I wish I'd known about the prior ones in Cambridge, MA, GWG, very close to where I've long lived :-\ ["better late than never," tho :) ]
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seekr right, tantek - I discovered the FAQ a while back - gonna turn my attention to it soon - thanks for pointing it out, tho
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tantek great - you’re on it :)
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ben_thatmustbeme seekr: since you are so close to my work and I can't really do much at night (as i have two infants to get home to help care for) maybe we can start doing some lunch meetups or something
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seekr ben_thatmustbeme: I'd like to do so very much - thanks for the offer! I'll look forward to meeting and spending time with you!!
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GWG I need to figure out an issue with the textual presentation of location data.
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GWG This has been going on since IWC Cambridge
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ben_thatmustbeme still on that huh GWG?
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seekr Perhaps I can bring along a new MIT grad tech buddy some time with whom I hope to work on a semi-political site for a cause related to development in Somerville, where I live, ben_thatmustbeme .
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I took a break and did a bunch of other stuff.
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seekr I meant to say he's a new buddy - but graduated from MIT a few years ago, ben_thatmustbeme .
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ben_thatmustbeme seekr: that would be cool
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seekr great!
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ben_thatmustbeme seekr: I'm thinking maybe at the prudential center as I'm on the other side of the river and you would have a bike
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seekr yes, Jeff does also
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ben_thatmustbeme oh excellent
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seekr (he also has what looks like a motorcycle helmet to protect his skull :) )
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bret seekr: see http://indiewebify.me/ as well
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ben_thatmustbeme ah yes, indiewebify.me is a great way to start
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seekr will do, bret - thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, really should be in bed
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ben_thatmustbeme will probably connect from my phone there and be working on stuff anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme <= addicted
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GWG The perspective on the wiki is once again tantek's.
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seekr g'night, then, ben_thatmustbeme - I hope you and the family get a good rest
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seekr I'm in night mode, so will push on through until when things start in Brighton, which I reckon won't be too long from now.
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tantek GWG, what in particular? just because I edited it could just mean I captured something from IRC
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GWG The why of location in a note.
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GWG I couldn't find any debate on how location should be presented so I started a bit of that.
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tantek GWG, yes the simplest case has been locations on notes
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GWG I've been writing up some thoughts on the wiki in /location, as opposed to /notes
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GWG On textual presentation of location.
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ben_thatmustbeme seekr: you still have like 5 hours to wait for that
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seekr ah - well, I have lots to keep me busy (and a full lpot of tea) until that time, ben_thatmustbeme :)
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ben_thatmustbeme Well enjoy the trip down the rabbit hole :P
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seekr :D
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GWG We've all been in that hole.
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seekr hope it ain't tooooo deep! ;)
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seekr What time do things start in Portland? The http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/ page is now auto-forwarding to the planning page, which does not have obvious links (maybe in the sidebar?) to a description of the weekend's activities. From a newbie perspective, at least, I think it might be useful to have such links featured prominently on what I think is supposed to be the main page for the event. (?)
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seekr Yeah - http://indiewebcamp.com/next-iwc seems more useful as a current home page than the planning one - to me, at least.
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seekr Also, we see on the "next-iwc" page the text " When: from July 11, 2015 (2015-07-11) at 9:30am through July 12 (2015-07-12) at 6pm" - which I think is deficient in that it doesn't indicate which of the venues it applies to and doesn't specify a time zone (is that supposed to be GMT?).
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ben_thatmustbeme Those times are local for portland. I saw the brighton one starts at 10 am their time
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ben_thatmustbeme http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton
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ben_thatmustbeme Has their times
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ben_thatmustbeme Ideally that's supposed to be the times for both Ib their respective local time
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ben_thatmustbeme But brighton is starting later by a half an hour
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ben_thatmustbeme Okay sleep for real now
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seekr g'night for real, then, ben_thatmustbeme |-) thanks for the info
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@PHP_Agent Indie Web Movement and IndieAuth http://dragplus.com/post/id/31051923 (twitter.com/_/status/619749231528689664)
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KevinMarks should we parse iframe src as u-* ?
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@RiccardoE Ha ancora senso avere un blog? Forse sì: Pingback, Webmentions e VRM http://www.dagoneye.it/blog/2015/07/06/ha-ancora-senso-avere-un-blog-forse-si-pingback-webmentions-e-vrm/ via @dagoneye (twitter.com/_/status/619761995324223488)
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tantek KevinMarks - re: iframe and src, not sure, do you have a use-case? regardless, document it here where there’s the related question of e- and iframe srcdoc! http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#e-_parsing_iframe_srcdoc (make a new same level subhead for “u- parsing iframe src” )
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@tvnweb #IndieWebCamp Brighton starts in a few hours. Super excited! (twitter.com/_/status/619769504902574080)
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seekr I think we're all excited, Loqi!
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rhiaro All these other people announcing they're excited is making me more excited :)
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@tinokremer #indieweb About Google+ and POSSE, @erinjo @benwerd @kevinmarks http://stream.tinokremer.nl/2015/google-needs-write-api-to-support-posse-and-fix-their (twitter.com/_/status/619774124399968256)
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@bertweb79 Ha ancora senso avere un blog? Forse sì: Pingback, Webmentions e VRM http://www.dagoneye.it/blog/2015/07/06/ha-ancora-senso-avere-un-blog-forse-si-pingback-webmentions-e-vrm/ via @dagoneye (twitter.com/_/status/619774961591414784)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: might I suggest putting an author name/url on https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Summary_And_Looking_Forward ? reads like a personal statement
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I decided to draft it on the wiki so anyone could contribute - not the place of finaly publication
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tantek s/finaly/final
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Loqi tantek meant to say: KartikPrabhu: I decided to draft it on the wiki so anyone could contribute - not the place of final publication
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tantek (and have repeatedly asked people to do so)
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tantek but now I’m wrestling with a weird people grid effect when the names are hidden!
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KartikPrabhu true. but since the wiki might not be edited, it would be good practice to attribute any personal statement sounding things
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seekr weird effect or weird people, tantek? :)
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tantek no I didn’t want to do that becuase I didn’t want to discourage contributions even further :/
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tantek weird effect
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seekr ah
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I like the statement itself btw :)
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tantek seekr, we already know we’re all push the boundaries of what it means to be independent on the web ;)
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seekr that's why I know I'm gonna love you guys (and gals) so very very much, tantek!
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seekr i.e. "weird is good!" :)
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KartikPrabhu seekr: do you already have your own website? link?
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tantek fixed weird effect!
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KartikPrabhu wiki+CSS is strange to say the least
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seekr KartikPrabhu: Well, I don't have a site that's relevant for IndieWebCamp purposes - closest thing is a now-defunct site (domain name expires in a couple weeks and I don't intend to renew it): http://welovemarketbasket.org/
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KartikPrabhu seekr: most of the work here is improving ones own site and online identity
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seekr KartikPrabhu: I did some software in Perl and PHP to produce what you see in the right-hand "Newswire" column. Now I'm mainly interested in finding alternatives to Facebook and Twitter for another site I'm working on. I'm hoping someone in this community will have some suggestions (I have found some via non-evilGoogle searches, but haven't had a chance to check 'em out yet).
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KartikPrabhu tantek++ I show up on the 2014-review attendee page finally :P
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Loqi tantek has 214 karma
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seekr should off-site attendees do the RSVP thing - maybe to get listed?
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tantek seekr - yes! there is a remote participation section on the Guest List - add yourself to the wiki page
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tantek e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
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KartikPrabhu seekr: that is a good goal! Anyone wanting to "finding alternatives to Facebook and Twitter" would want to have their own website as an online identity
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Loqi [bridgy] Paul Schoonhoven commented 'Google regelt het iets anders. Met copy/paste in een nieuw bericht pakt G+ gelijk de eerste link die het tegenkomt en verder geeft ie de ee...' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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tantek seekr - do you use Facebook or Twitter yourself personally?
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seekr Good advice, KartikPrabhu++! I'll get to work on it soonish. Finding this community is truly inspirational!
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KartikPrabhu seekr: awesome!
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seekr tantek: Well, I have a bogus Facebook acct, which I use only for snooping purposes, and I very occasionally use Twitter to track some issue that interests me. Other than those exceptions, no.
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seekr I eschew Google also, though I've been known to use the translator occasionally, and I don't know how to avoid uToob (though I can use a non-web client to avoid tracking).
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voldn echo 127.0.0.1 www.youtube.com >> /etc/hosts # how to avoid uToob
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seekr thanks much, voldn! very much obliged
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seekr oh wait, it's a joke!
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seekr yeah - well, that's one way, but kinda overkill, methinks, voldn
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tantek seekr - do you publish anything personally on Twitter or Tumblr?
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seekr negative, tantek - I try to keep a very low profile
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seekr I want to avoid all the corporate behemoths, if possible
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tantek seekr - sure. Would you publish notes or longer thoughts on your own site if you had it?
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tantek or even just a portfolio / resume?
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seekr I might well do, tantek - I could easily install blog software - maybe WordPress and do my own blog.
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seekr that too, maybe
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tantek seekr - exactly, WordPress, or Known (see http://withknown.com/ ) which is newer and has a lot of indieweb features built into it already
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seekr ah - yeah - second time I've heard about known today - gotta check it out!
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seekr I know that WP is subject to various forms of insidious attack.
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seekr In fact, I got direct experience of that fact via the site I mentioned a short while ago - lots of spam activity, which is a bit different, but still quite annoying and time-consuming to deal with
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tantek right
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tantek anyway, consider getting a domain per /Getting_Started and setting up /Known on it
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tantek then a lot of this will make more sense
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seekr Maybe known isn't yet well enough known to make it a worthwhile target (yet). (?)
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tantek possibly
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seekr but with an active developer community, I reckon that ways can and will be found to deal with such things if and when they occur
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voldn what the hells is Indie about the ICANN/DNS behemoth? why are you encouraging domain purchasing?
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seekr what's the alternative, voldn, something like no-ip?
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tantek voldn - yup, already documented and why: http://indiewebcamp.com/DNS#Hierarchical_Vulnerability
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KevinMarks_ Hm, srcdoc for e- is interesting. Would e- on an iframe with srcset imply fetching the src?
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seekr Does anyone here have preferred alternatives to Facebook and/or Twitter?
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KevinMarks_ s/srcset/src/
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: Hm, srcdoc for e- is interesting. Would e- on an iframe with src imply fetching the src?
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tantek seekr - yes, nearly everyone does - that’s the point
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tantek the preferred alternative is to use your own site
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KevinMarks_ But we also POSSE to fb/tw etc
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tantek and optionally syndicate to Facebook & Twitter for distribution
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seekr link, KevinMarks?
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KevinMarks_ What is bridgy
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed as a service https://indiewebcamp.com/bridgy
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KevinMarks_ What is posse
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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@glennjones Heading off to @indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/619783530554490881)
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KartikPrabhu seekr: here you go https://kartikprabhu.com/notes lots of stuff that may or may not be syndicated anywhere but exists on my own site
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seekr ah - guess I need to do some reading and study, and "get with the programme!" :)
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seekr thanks much, KartikPrabhu!
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KevinMarks_ The use cases I have, Tantek, are hovercard as iframe and post comments as iframe
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tantek KevinMarks - cool - please write it up as such on that spot I linked to on the wiki
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KartikPrabhu or as a blog post ;)
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KartikPrabhu needs to really get on with the "navigation links direction post"
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KevinMarks_ I am wondering if there is a different parsing directive that means "fetch the src of this iframe and parse it as if it was here in the html"
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KartikPrabhu IWC is upon us
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ not in mf2 parsing algo
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KevinMarks_ No, not yet.
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tantek KevinMarks: no fetching in the parsing algorithm - that’s a bad layering violation
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tantek the parsing algorithm can give you URLs back - it’s up to your use of a parser to go fetch any URLs you need to for whatever reason
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KartikPrabhu i don't think there should be. If anything we should define use-cases where the consumer of some mf2 page can decide that given a parsed mf2
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KevinMarks_ I'm trying to work out the "comments on a static site" case
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tantek KevinMarks_: that’s fine, you can add that functionality into a library that calls the parser
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KevinMarks_ And iframed comments seem better than js-injected ones
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tantek but first, write up your thought about u- iframe src on the wiki
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KartikPrabhu tantek yes but there needs to be a well-defined algorithm to decide if comments are in the page or at a separate URL
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tantek so at least that’s not lost in the IRC logs
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KartikPrabhu fwiwi. I was musing having a "hijax" link to comments as well
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KartikPrabhu what is h-card?
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Loqi hCard is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up people, organizations, and venues on web sites https://indiewebcamp.com/h-card
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tantek KartikPrabhu: if there are indie comments on a page, the assumption is that they link to their permalink provides canonical information
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tantek no algorithm needed
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@alicenwondrlnd Heading off to #IndieWebCamp - hoping to learn lots of cool stuff! (twitter.com/_/status/619785052835184640)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: no the use-case is if there only is a link to some comments list page on the actual article
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KevinMarks_ Hm, could a marginalia comment be an iframe?
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tantek that doesn’t make sense
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KevinMarks_ My specific use case is that I have comments on my static pages that are injected js-injected
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KartikPrabhu tantek: a lot of sites use JS to load comments. A good way to doing that is to have a separate comments page for any given article and then use JS to include comments when some one clicks on "Show comments"
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KevinMarks_ Which means they can't be part of a salmention
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@tvnweb Getting ready for #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619785588707860481/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619785588707860481)
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KartikPrabhu progressive disclosure or something
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tantek goes back to working on /2014-review until KevinMarks adds his suggestion to the microformats wiki as noted already.
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@andybudd RT @tvnweb: Getting ready for #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619785588707860481/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619785725198925824)
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@andybudd RT @alicenwondrlnd: Heading off to #IndieWebCamp - hoping to learn lots of cool stuff! (twitter.com/_/status/619785735969865728)
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KevinMarks_ But an iframe let's me transclude comments
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KartikPrabhu it is similar to having a partial h-card on homepage but a separate page with full h-card
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no one here is doing separate page for comments yet, so when someone starts experimenting with that, we can discuss it. Til then, not really worth worrying about to that level of detail.
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KartikPrabhu like I do one my site
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KevinMarks_ I think iframe fetching is more robust than js parsing
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KartikPrabhu tantek: true. I was worrying because I was considering implementing that but did not (yet).
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tantek you can do so without worrying about any formats stuff - you can just do the HTML CSS etc. that you want
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tantek and from that we can learn what is actually needed
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tantek instead of having a hypothetical discussion
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes agreed. If I really want to I should just go ahead and implement it. but i can't decide if I want to :P
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you can braindump your thoughts about it, and why you’re unsure, in a new section like: https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#Brainstorming
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tantek that way you at least capture your current partial thinking, instead of being stuck musing about it in IRC ;)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: don't give me more things to do :P
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that’s what happens when people bring up new things in IRC :)
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KartikPrabhu I am musing in my head KevinMarks_ prompted this IRC braindump. I blame him ;)
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/?html=%3Cdiv+id%3D%22preview%22%3E%0D%0A%3Cp%3E%3Ca+class%3D%22h-card+p-category%22+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fchristophermarks.me%22%3E%3Ciframe+class%3D%22u-hovercard%22+height%3D%22120%22+width%3D%22240%22+src%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fhovercard%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fchristophermarks.me%22%3EChristopher+Marks%3C%2Fiframe%3E%3C%2Fa%3E%3A++%3C%2Fp%3E%3Cblockquote%3E%3Cp%3EI+don%27t+use+twitte
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KartikPrabhu holy URLs Batman!
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tantek it’s also a more polite way of saying, ok go capture your thoughts in one place where you’ll have to make them more coherent than a series of hard to follow IRC statements (and nearly impossible to understand from the logs)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: of course I see why you'd ask for documentation :)
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tantek see it’s URLs like that that I have no desire to click - tl;dc
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it’s a way of reducing noise in the channel too - at some point, unbounded musings become noise
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KartikPrabhu nods
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KartikPrabhu also hopes he makes a decision and blog about it
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tantek and the point is, if you do actualy care enough, you’ll go write it up a brief braindump on the wiki - which is LESS work than doing a blog post
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Loqi [bridgy] Tino Kremer commented 'I know how Google+ operates. I'm expressing my opinion about it. In fact +Jeff Jarvis”‹ has asked for proper link support many times as well....' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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KartikPrabhu I rarely blog about things I haven't decided yet, so this "navigation thing" is priority post
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tantek wikis are good for capturing your thinking on things you haven’t decided yet
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KartikPrabhu possibly but I traditionally use my brains for that ;)
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KevinMarks I was on my phone, making wiki edits hard
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KartikPrabhu but that is no good for others to contribute
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KartikPrabhu is bad at the interwebz
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tantek right
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LukasRos Good morning IndieWeb folks :)
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KartikPrabhu Good "it is awfully late here" LukasRos
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seekr good mornin', LukasRos
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KevinMarks the point of that link is that currently a u-* on an iframe reads the fallback text instead of the src
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LukasRos Can’t be at IWC this weekend but I’ll try to follow at least a bit over IRC.
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@alpower @glennjones @indiewebcamp sad to be missing it (at a wedding!) - have fun all #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/619788327978405889)
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tantek KevinMarks - at this point - not really interested in more supportive arguments - just take the time to document on the wiki on a laptop if necessary
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KevinMarks will do
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LukasRos Is there already anyone from Brighton in this channel?
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seekr waves at keroberos, who he thanks again for turning him on to IndieWebCamp!
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tantek LukasRos: people have been saying they’re in transit
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keroberos heyhey
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LukasRos tantek: Ah ok. I thought they must have started by now but I did the timezone math wrong ...
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seekr should start in ~15 mins (?) - any info on video streams yet?
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tantek rhiaro: hoping to hear from you that you’ve gotten adactio to setup talky at IWC Brighton with the HD stereo camera he has!
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KevinMarks hm, embedding an iframe from unmung in unmung is apparently a CORS violation
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KevinMarks or a sign that I need a new scratch workspace
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@tvnweb Breakfast at #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619790825149595648/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619790825149595648)
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KartikPrabhu is very tempted to complete the "navigation UI" post in time for IWC Portland but is also tempted to sleep
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KartikPrabhu tantek: fwiw I have decided to not have a separate comments page for article since I would complicate marginalia.js a whole lot more
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rhiaro arrived at iwc, people drinking coffee
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KartikPrabhu particularly if I use a "hijax" version on the comments page on the actual post then readers won't be able to see marginalia unless they click on "see comments" link
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@cathcoste RT @healthbankcoop: . @EricTopol on democratization of medicine, @healthbankcoop. http://www.vascularthinktank.com/#!Exclusive-Interview-Dr-Eric-Topol-on-the-Democratization-of-Medicine/c193z/559feb620cf2ba155ecd018d via @marcelsalathe #ownyourdata ht… (twitter.com/_/status/619791853098041345)
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rhiaro has not figured out the wifi yet
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@L_Macnaughtan RT @healthbankcoop: . @EricTopol on democratization of medicine, @healthbankcoop. http://www.vascularthinktank.com/#!Exclusive-Interview-Dr-Eric-Topol-on-the-Democratization-of-Medicine/c193z/559feb620cf2ba155ecd018d via @marcelsalathe #ownyourdata ht… (twitter.com/_/status/619792956606820353)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you should write up “separate comments page” as inevitably it will become necessary once you get too many (100s?) of comments on an post or paragraph etc.
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tantek inline response display only scales so far
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tantek oops just missed you KartikPrabhu - see log
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KartikPrabhu boop! I'm here
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KartikPrabhu bad internets
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KartikPrabhu yes, I should. in fact I was contemplating a separate comments page for exactly those reasons
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KartikPrabhu rhiaro: If it isn't too much trouble, could you wave "fanboyishly" for me at adactio, since his site is the one that brought me here :D
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rhiaro talky.io/iwcbrighton
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rhiaro How's it looking/sounding?
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@PhilippeLoizon RT @healthbankcoop: . @EricTopol on democratization of medicine, @healthbankcoop. http://www.vascularthinktank.com/#!Exclusive-Interview-Dr-Eric-Topol-on-the-Democratization-of-Medicine/c193z/559feb620cf2ba155ecd018d via @marcelsalathe #ownyourdata ht… (twitter.com/_/status/619794341708591104)
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rhiaro beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton actually
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LukasRos I have a picture.
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LukasRos And sound too.
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KevinMarks I have a portait format adactio
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KevinMarks who is talking in german?
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KevinMarks LukasRos? is that you?
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LukasRos Oops sorry, yes.
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /2015/Brighton (+36) "/* Remote Attending */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks no problem, just wanted to be sure you realised you were overheard
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LukasRos doesn’t know the difference between turning speaker off and microphone on.
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /2015/Brighton (+18) "/* Remote Attending */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks I have a microphone with it's own mute button. much safer
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KevinMarks oops, brighton vanished
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@tommorris #indiewebcamp https://tommorris.org/ year in review https://tommorris.org/posts/9344 (twitter.com/_/status/619796382187044864)
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rhiaro ping seeker: streaming has begun http://beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton
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rhiaro s/seeker/seekr
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: ping seekr: streaming has begun http://beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton
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@kevinmarks RT @tommorris: #indiewebcamp https://tommorris.org/ year in review https://tommorris.org/posts/9344 (twitter.com/_/status/619796661565403137)
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KevinMarks not seeing it rhiaro
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@tvnweb . @adactio kicking off #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619796917590036480/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619796917590036480)
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rhiaro Hmm
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rhiaro LukasRos: is it working for you?
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rhiaro It *looks* fine
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rhiaro KevinMarks can you hear?
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KevinMarks no
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KevinMarks I'll reload
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rhiaro If that doesn't work, I'll reload
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KevinMarks only seeing myself
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rhiaro I'm reloading
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@Vecchi_Paolo @ellenbroad It's quite normal but maybe there is also a lot of people going to the Indie Web Camp today https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/619797394884968448)
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rhiaro I see KevinMarks
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rhiaro briefly
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rhiaro sound okay?
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KevinMarks yes
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rhiaro awesome
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LukasRos rhiaro: Now it’s working again.
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rhiaro adactio: introduces IWC, principles, shows own site "crappy php, not proud of it, but it works"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: my website is http://adactio.com - it's 10 year old crappy PHP I'm not proud of, but it works (twitter.com/_/status/619797764822683648)
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rhiaro ... Also owns own bookmarks. Lists sites he used that went down..
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seekr thanks, rhiaro & Loqi - was in the kitchen rustlin' up a bit o' brekkie :) - will attempt to tune in
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rhiaro ... Has a bookmarklet
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: I own my own links. I used to use delicious, but it died, then I used magnolia… now I use my own site (twitter.com/_/status/619797915847028736)
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rhiaro KevinMarks if you're going to live tweet I won't scribe in here
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@Lottejackson #IndieWebCamp Brighton has started! https://twitter.com/Lottejackson/status/619797970914013184/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619797970914013184)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: at the last indiewebcamp in Dusseldorf, which was a lot of fun, I added sending webmentions to sites I link to (twitter.com/_/status/619798103131049985)
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KevinMarks I may fall asleep though
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rhiaro I'll pick up if so :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: when I post a photo I send a copy to twitter - I highly recommend it - I'm no longer a slave to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/619798338586714112)
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rhiaro Push notification from twitter: "kevinmarks and tommorris are tweeting about indiewebcamp"
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seekr thanks, rhiaro - talky still seems to be unworking for me (Linux & Firefox) - may have to try Windoze under vbox
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: ideally I want to do with instagram what I do with twitter, but there is no posting api (twitter.com/_/status/619798453309284352)
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tommorris rhiaro: ha
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rhiaro seekr: it *should* work in firefox I think... but I think it works best in chrome
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rhiaro or chromium
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: instead I use http://ownyourgram.com to get the photo back from instagram to my site with micropub (twitter.com/_/status/619798559060267009)
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seekr eschews chrome, along with as much of the rest of the googleverse as possible
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: what I want to do is POSSE - Post Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere (twitter.com/_/status/619798688160985088)
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seekr ah - I could try chromium, rhiaro
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rhiaro seekr: what's not working specifically. Site not loading, or just no video/audio?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: but with instagram I have to do PESOS - Post Elsewhere Share Own Site - I'm not proud of these acronyms (twitter.com/_/status/619798868826394624)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: It feels very good to be hosting my own photos - i have 10 years of flickr ones I should import (twitter.com/_/status/619799013156626432)
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KevinMarks who's next?
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rhiaro petermnolar
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rhiaro I might have spelt that wrong
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rhiaro petermolnar ?
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ShaneHudson_ Hey all, just joined talky :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @petermolnar: I used to have my own CMS, and I could run wordpress but that gets hacked a lot (twitter.com/_/status/619799488178298880)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @petermolnar: so I have my own site with posts based on markdown https://petermolnar.eu (twitter.com/_/status/619799681934229504)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @petermolnar: wordpress has a lot of plugins that help with the indieweb that do webmentions and other indieweb apis (twitter.com/_/status/619799850184523776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @petermolnar: I wrote a little plugin called keyring reactions importer that brings in facebook, twitter etc without using brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/619800002777497600)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @petermolnar: brid.gy is brilliant if you want to use it; I'm fed up with social networks so now I only post on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/619800127453184000)
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tantek rhiaro: you should still scribe here since KevinMarks is summarizing
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tantek yay I see adactio on the screen now
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rhiaro tantek: it was all duplicate for a while
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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tantek he said he’s going to demonstrate Bridgy
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rhiaro *adactio demos bridgy*
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: let me show brid.gy in action what happens when someone replies on twitter to one of my posts that I have shared there (twitter.com/_/status/619800311935447040)
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@tommorris #indiewebcamp Brighton demo notes https://tommorris.org/posts/9345 (twitter.com/_/status/619800341664534529)
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tantek rhiaro: duplication is ok - we can dedup later ;)
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rhiaro I think KevinMarks is scribing pretty thoroughly
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tantek waves at adactio
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tantek adactio: for example, all these likes came from instagram
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rhiaro waving only works if you turn your camera on
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: brid.gy sends a notification via webmention when you receive comments (twitter.com/_/status/619800569209864192)
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petermolnar (macs... glowing apples everywhere...)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: Brid.gy is open source so you could run your own instance of it, but it runs really really well (twitter.com/_/status/619800718438998016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: you can also use brid.gy to publish to silos; I use it for the incoming (twitter.com/_/status/619800811820986368)
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tommorris my notes are now cc0
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KevinMarks what's rosa's twitter again
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tantek tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 83 karma
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rhiaro rosa-fox.com
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tantek KevinMarks check /2014/UK
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ShaneHudson_ @Rosaemerald
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@tinokremer RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @petermolnar: wordpress has a lot of plugins that help with the indieweb that do webmentions and other indieweb a… (twitter.com/_/status/619801127849168897)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Rosaemerald: I made my own site last year at indiewebcamp, using a template (twitter.com/_/status/619801151664488448)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Rosaemerald: I made my site by copying a lot of html in one giant page; now I want to make separate posts so you can link (twitter.com/_/status/619801318702600192)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: one thing is to add the h-entry microformat to your blog posts so it can make sense to other people you mention (twitter.com/_/status/619801455109742592)
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KevinMarks should add url hcard parsing to noterlive as well as twitter handle fetching
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KevinMarks who's next?
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@tinokremer @kevinmarks instead I use Known, easy setup and fully #indieweb compliant (twitter.com/_/status/619801741991677952)
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rhiaro john-ellison.com
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rhiaro I seem to have lost my namebadge already
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @iamjohnellison: I have my own site at http://john-ellison.com based on ghost (twitter.com/_/status/619802217630052352)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: there is a service at webmention.io that will handle webmentions for you and some js to embed in your site (twitter.com/_/status/619802352216899585)
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KevinMarks who's hammering?
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petermolnar unknown builder on the roof
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rhiaro someone next room
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @iamjohnellison: if i have Ghost self-hosted I can use webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/619802509524213760)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: you can use 3rd parties like webmention.io and http://webmention.herokuapp.com to embed mentions by javascript (twitter.com/_/status/619802650280861696)
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tantek hey it’s rhiaro
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tantek her site is PHP+MySQL
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tantek posts all her notes to her site and POSSEs to Twitter
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I'm Amy - been involved in indieweb for about a year - my site is http://rhiaro.co.uk (twitter.com/_/status/619802831680348160)
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@petermolnar @kevinmarks @iamjohnellison not directly with Ghost, you'll need something, like webmention.io that accepts webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/619802851280351232)
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tantek she has a /micropub endpoint on her server
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tantek she didn’t want to write a posting client, so she likes to use /Quill
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: it's some PHP I wrote - I have a micropub endpoint so I can post using http://quill.p3k.io (twitter.com/_/status/619803037478031360)
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tantek rhiaro posts checkins, notes, longer articles with titles, bookmarks, RSVPs, reposts
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tantek likes as well
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I post checkins, notes, longer articles, bookmarks, RSVPs and likes (twitter.com/_/status/619803155656798208)
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tantek I don’t go near Twitter half the time, I just use Quill and Bridgy.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I do a like using quill, and brid.gy sends it to twitter -i don't go near twitter myself (twitter.com/_/status/619803300167335936)
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tantek I don’t have my own webmention endpoint at the moment, I use webmention.io
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petermolnar what is quill?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I don't have my own webmention endpoint at the moment so I use webmention.io for it (twitter.com/_/status/619803397869424640)
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Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/Quill
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: this is all the webmentions for my homepage on webmention.io (twitter.com/_/status/619803764896063488)
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KevinMarks what was the question?
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Loqi question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indiewebcamp.com/question
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petermolnar KevinMarks: pagination on webmention.io to prevent MASSIVE json blobs
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tantek adactio framing IndieAuth: using one of the principles of the indieweb thing which is to be as lazy as possible, we use third parties
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ShaneHudson_ Oh dear, I have an issue with indie auth... changed twitter to use a folder instead of root for website and cloudflare now does email protection lol
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: what quill does is let you authenticate using indieauth with your own website, using the principle of being lazy (twitter.com/_/status/619804093687709696)
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@tinokremer #indieweb I'm new to #IndieWeb (2 weeks), my site (Known) is http://stream.tinokremer.nl/ and I love it. @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/619804109307187200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: so I put in my URL, it looks for rel-me links to a sites with OAuth and logs me in there (twitter.com/_/status/619804211270844416)
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@tinokremer RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adactio: what quill does is let you authenticate using indieauth with your own website, using the principle of b… (twitter.com/_/status/619804305181253632)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: If someone wants to make a beautiful posting interface, you can make it work for any site (twitter.com/_/status/619804345991868416)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: go to https://quill.p3k.io/editor for a nicer interface like medium (twitter.com/_/status/619804411896983553)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: with something like quill you can make it available for anyone to use to post to their site via micropub (twitter.com/_/status/619804574547902464)
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@calum_ryan Pondering over possible upgrades to my site this weekend #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/619804719888908288)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: the idea is that instead of creating interfaces from scratch, you can share the interface to anyone (twitter.com/_/status/619804724359995392)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: you could even make a native app that uses the micropub api to post to our sites (twitter.com/_/status/619804821642715136)
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@tinokremer @kevinmarks also see http://stream.tinokremer.nl/2015/why-i-write-on-my-own-site-first #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/619804822993248256)
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petermolnar rhiaro why y no https? :)
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rhiaro getting around to it petermolnar
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rhiaro Maybe I'll deal with that this weekend too
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KevinMarks is this petere again?
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KevinMarks who dis?
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rhiaro KevinMarks: this is Lewis
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rhiaro lewisnyman.co.uk
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rhiaro Switched his personal site from drupal to jekyll
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rhiaro ..hates thinking about servers
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @lewisnyman: I switched my site http:/// from Drupal to Jekyl which felt greta as I was writing html again (twitter.com/_/status/619805345431617536)
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rhiaro ... But started wanting to do more, own more content, publish to twitter. Found this really difficult
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @lewisnyman: as I started wanting to do more- post images and so on, I found this more difficult (twitter.com/_/status/619805451136446464)
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petermolnar rhiaro : ssl.com; free for 3 month periods ( you can re-apply when it expires ); fairly easy to set up
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rhiaro ... Process right now is to write a flat file in local environment and deploy compiled code to github
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rhiaro petermolnar: thanks! I didn't know that one
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petermolnar unlike startssl, which is horrible
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rhiaro Indeed
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @lewisnyman: as I was writing flat files on my local machine, I couldn't use it from my phone (twitter.com/_/status/619805574750961664)
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tantek petermolnar could you add that about ssl.com to /HTTPS ?
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rhiaro *live googling*
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@tvnweb . @lewisnyman Shows off his website at #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619805744603496448/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619805744603496448)
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petermolnar yep
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: there is something called Jekmentions for jekyll webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/619805804917604352)
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petermolnar I'll add some best practices as well, even though I hate that phrase
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KevinMarks what is jekmentions
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Loqi Jekmentions is a service that works as webmention endpoint and saves the received webmentions in a GitHub repository https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekmentions
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rhiaro adactio: anyone else using jekyll? *several hands up*
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LukasRos rhiaro and others: There’s also the option to use Cloudflare and their free SSL certificates, but it’s a MITM proxy. I use that for my site.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: anyone using jekyll? (many hands go up) (twitter.com/_/status/619806025273749505)
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petermolnar do we have a server provider recommendations wiki page?
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petermolnar for self hosted things
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petermolnar by the way, rhiaro if you're not in a hurry, you may want to wait for https://letsencrypt.org/
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rhiaro Giulia
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tantek petermolnar, yes, see what is webhosting?
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Loqi Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) https://indiewebcamp.com/webhosting
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rhiaro petermolnar: I am waiting for letsencrypt (in March they said July, I guess it's now September..?) but I should sort something out in the mean time
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rhiaro giugee.com/blog
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rhiaro ... I wouldn't say 'website' more 'collection of pages'. Likes a static website.
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petermolnar thanks tantek
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rhiaro ... Own server on Digital Ocean
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shanehudson.net edited /2015/Brighton (+277) "Added myself to remote" (view diff)
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rhiaro ... Ruby and Octopress. Connect to github with webhooks, to have blog on github, so there's always a mirror
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Giulia: My site is at http://giugee.com/blog but it is more of a set of static pages that I post on my own server and github (twitter.com/_/status/619806836116561920)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Giulia: I connect to github with webhooks so there is always a mirror available (twitter.com/_/status/619806946082877440)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: I'd like to have static versions of my site somewhere safe in case my database goes down (twitter.com/_/status/619807089989451776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: I like having github to show me all the changes I have down (twitter.com/_/status/619807241877782528)
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KevinMarks markdown--
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Loqi markdown has -2 karma
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rhiaro markdown++
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rhiaro :)
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Loqi markdown has -1 karma
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petermolnar ?
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tantek references his obligatory tantek.com/w/Markdown
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ShaneHudson_ I write in markdown and export as html (in iA Writer Pro)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: I'm not sure I would store markdown (twitter.com/_/status/619807380499492864)
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rhiaro tantek, I'm sure I recall a couple of the markdown improvements you mention on your Markdown post actually already exist
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rhiaro Like, alternative way for headings
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rhiaro It's been a while since I read it
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rhiaro tommorris.org
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tantek yay tommorris!
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Loqi :D
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rhiaro ... Rails, Postgres
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rhiaro ... In built edit
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I'm tom at https://tommorris.org/ - the site is built in rails with a postgres backend; it's mostly posts (twitter.com/_/status/619807827100573696)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I have my own edit ui with posts and tags to add (twitter.com/_/status/619807921669558272)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I've been building a 'places' section which is foursquare/tripadvisor on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/619808074707128320)
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petermolnar.eu edited /HTTPS (+101) "adding link to free ssl.com certificate" (view diff)
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rhiaro ... Sign in with Persona
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I use OpenStreetMap for locations and Mozilla Persona to sign in (twitter.com/_/status/619808233511854080)
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rhiaro twilio++
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Loqi twilio has 2 karma
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petermolnar.eu edited /HTTPS (+274) (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: one thing I did a while back is using twilio to send an xml blob when I post a text message to blog (twitter.com/_/status/619808649213542400)
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rhiaro ... In the process of switching to Django
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I'm in the process of switching over to django from rails for my site (twitter.com/_/status/619808860094754816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: also you get practical well-built libraries rather than hacked together crap (twitter.com/_/status/619808975672999937)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I hope to open source my new version and let the hacky rails nastiness die (twitter.com/_/status/619809066584510464)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I syndicate to twitter, and then use twitter to go to facebook (twitter.com/_/status/619809235849842688)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I'm getting webmentions back, but not displaying everything (twitter.com/_/status/619809304019927040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: vim is a nicer writing environment than web browsers as browsers have only had 20 years to write one (twitter.com/_/status/619809699618258944)
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tantek lol
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KevinMarks getting sleepy
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seekr join #perl
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seekr oops
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tantek what is perl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "perl" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=perl&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-11%2Fline%2F1436609167853
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tantek (ouch)
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tantek what are languages?
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Loqi language may refer to human (AKA natural) languages or computer (often programming) languages https://indiewebcamp.com/languages
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KevinMarks perl is short for Particularly Esoteric Regex Language and consists largely of punctuation.
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loqi.me created /perl (+118) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-11/line/1436609167853 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks url?
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rhiaro opensourcespecialist.co.uk Raphael
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I hope to open source my new version and let the hacky rails nastiness die (twitter.com/_/status/619810441318014976)
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KevinMarks bad cert?
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petermolnar KevinMarks the company I work for has perl as main language for the business, and yes, I do cry sometimes when no one is looking
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I'm in the process of switching over to django from rails for my site (twitter.com/_/status/619810539330514944)
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: one thing I did a while back is using twilio to send an xml blob when I post a text message to blog (twitter.com/_/status/619810637821009920)
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seekr Perl is good.
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I use OpenStreetMap for locations and Mozilla Persona to sign in (twitter.com/_/status/619810710265176064)
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KevinMarks (can't quite hear him)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Raphael: I'm Raphael and my site is https://opensourcespecialist.co.uk/ (twitter.com/_/status/619810951169241088)
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seekr I'm still trying to find a way to connect. :-\
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@JaneAllie_9294 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I've been building a 'places' section which is foursquare/tripadvisor on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/619811081377214464)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @tommorris: I've been building a 'places' section which is foursquare/tripadvisor on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/619811082589335552)
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tantek rhiaro: if you can understand in person you should minute
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tantek we can’t really understand the speaker on talky
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @lewisnyman: as I started wanting to do more- post images and so on, I found this more difficult (twitter.com/_/status/619811256699121664)
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Giulia: I connect to github with webhooks so there is always a mirror available (twitter.com/_/status/619811307521474560)
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rhiaro what is https
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Loqi HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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petermolnar my fail2ban kicked in on ssh to my domain from the 68 Middle Street ip O.o
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petermolnar either I'm doing something wrong or someone is sniffing around
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tantek.com edited /2014-review (+80) "/* Press */ see more" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, its not just me not being able to understand talky
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seekr good morning, ben_thatmustbeme!
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ben_thatmustbeme morning
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KevinMarks lots of audience conversation makes it hard
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rhiaro adactio: I use https, have no idea who the people verifying my site are
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Raphael: I'm running my own server and my site is based on Jekyll (twitter.com/_/status/619812322421379072)
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rhiaro petermolnar: trusted people, don't question that
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seekr guess I don't feel so bad not being able to connect (yet, still trying) knowing that the audio is inaudible - hope they can work something out - maybe get a direct connection to the speaker's mic?
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ben_thatmustbeme kevin marks, i just get crazy echo
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KevinMarks who's next
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rhiaro seekr: no mics
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rhiaro Paul
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rhiaro paulrobertlloyd.com
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KevinMarks echo might just be you- headphones?
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seekr ah, rhiaro
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rhiaro ... MoveableType for site
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KevinMarks also Charle Stross uses moveable type
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petermolnar.eu edited /Nginx (+514) "adding PFS dhparams" (view diff)
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rhiaro ... Working on a new Jekyll version, hosted on own site not github pages
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ben_thatmustbeme was really bad on FF, its smooth on chrome
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ben_thatmustbeme i can hear now
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I have been using moveable type but switched to jekyll hosted on my own site http://paulrobertlloyd.com (twitter.com/_/status/619812925759488000)
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rhiaro Not sure how many people can be connected on talky beta, anyone?
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petermolnar ( the video issues reminded me of this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=981444#p981444 )
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI (twitter.com/_/status/619813220732280837)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Nginx (+1) "/* PFS (Perfect Forward Secrecy) */" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I'm happier using other people's things and joining them together than coding it all (twitter.com/_/status/619813629215510528)
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KevinMarks (really feeling sleepy now - are there many left?)
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rhiaro I can't read that URL
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rhiaro @hotzenplotz I think
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rhiaro KevinMarks: loads of people here, don't know how many want to demo
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rhiaro Andrea Rota
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@javascriptd RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adactio: you can use 3rd parties like webmention.io and http://webmention.herokuapp.com to embed mentions by javascript (twitter.com/_/status/619814195706474497)
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neuro` Good morning campers.
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rhiaro cool, 25 people in talkybeta room
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @hotzeplotz: my interest in indieweb comes from a long time ago (twitter.com/_/status/619814344226926592)
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rhiaro as in, there can be, not there are
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI (twitter.com/_/status/619814409964232704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @hotzeplotz: other universities were using their own slos in a clunky way - why not let them use their own sites? (twitter.com/_/status/619814641322037248)
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petermolnar url was http://mey.vn/ for @hotzeplotz
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @hotzeplotz: I have been waiting for something like the indieweb to happen (twitter.com/_/status/619814787271233540)
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@tvnweb Full room for #IndieWebCamp Brighton. ~40 people. https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619815031992111104/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619815031992111104)
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ben_thatmustbeme 40 people, nice
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neuro` Is there a live stream somewhere please?
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @hotzeplotz: I have been waiting for something like the indieweb to happen (twitter.com/_/status/619815138019909632)
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ShaneHudson_ https://beta.talky.io/iwcbrighton
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neuro` Thx ShaneHudson_
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: have you got some IWC stickrs to give out?
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: Oh, I left them in Edinburgh
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rhiaro Didn't even think about that
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rhiaro Paul from CozyCloud
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rhiaro Uses Cozy for his own site: Photos, files
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petermolnar question: should a write how to update a (freely hosted) dns entry for _any_ domain on digitalocean with an ip? what way hosting at home could actually be easy with any domain; in theory of course
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rhiaro ... Calendar
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rhiaro ... Sync'd with phone
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rhiaro ... Notes
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tantek selfdogfooding++
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rhiaro what is cozycloud
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cozycloud" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=cozycloud&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-11%2Fline%2F1436610578419
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rhiaro ... Can import any data, eg. quantified self
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rhiaro ... Can also manage bank account from Cozy: Kresus
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neuro` cozycloud++
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Loqi cozycloud has 1 karma
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KevinMarks audio just went all dalek
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Loqi [bridgy] Gert-Jan Mes +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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rhiaro ... There's also a market place for open source Cozy applications, nodejs
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rhiaro ... Developed micropub client inside Cozy, so he can publish pictures to Known (!!)
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KevinMarks I'm going to sleep now
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neuro` n8 KevinMarks
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rhiaro ... use to share with friends and family, either publicly or privately
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neuro` thank you for the LT
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rhiaro Great scribing KevinMarks++
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rhiaro ... Wants to use webmention in Cozy for sharing
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rhiaro glennjones: transmat.io/glennjones
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rhiaro glennjones.net
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rhiaro ... Has notes
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rhiaro ... Collects likes etc on notes
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rhiaro ... not using bridgy, using own tool called transmat, very similar to bridgy
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grantmorrison.net edited /2015/Brighton (-176) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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rhiaro ... So if I ever lose twitter, I have all data including conversations
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rhiaro oooooh prior and post conversation looks good
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@kevinmarks my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/619817414415388672)
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rhiaro ... Replies to existing tweet by copying URL into posting interface
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rhiaro ... Also have a browser plugin that injects a button into twitter
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rhiaro glennjones++
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Loqi glennjones has 7 karma
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (-6) "/* 2014 */ fix adactio link to point just to his video" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks RT @tinokremer: #indieweb I'm new to #IndieWeb (2 weeks), my site (Known) is http://stream.tinokremer.nl/ and I love it. @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/619817574180589568)
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rhiaro ... transmat.io has a stream, with all post types or can choose between them
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rhiaro ... Quite interested in checkins interface at the moment
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rhiaro ... Demos transmat checkin UI
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rhiaro ... Does geolocation and brings a map. Also started collecting places/venues in database. UI tries to work out nearest venue.
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rhiaro ... Problem: often without wifi, or dodgy connection
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rhiaro ... Interface is too big for that
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rhiaro ... So been trying out nearthing.io. Uses webworkers
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rhiaro ... service workers
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rhiaro ... allows you to offline stuff
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rhiaro ... stores all locations inside browser itself
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ShaneHudson_ Ah very nice. That's what I'm wanting to do, use service workers so that there is more chance I will actually be able to POSSE
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@jrobertson RT @kevinmarks: my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/619818386894286848)
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ShaneHudson_ Has anyone else done anything with service workers yet?
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rhiaro Benjamin Parry(?)
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rhiaro benjamin.parry.is
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ben_thatmustbeme peoplenamedbenjamin++ :P
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Loqi peoplenamedbenjamin has 1 karma
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rhiaro ... Jekyll, hosted on github
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rhiaro ... Would like to get webmentions running
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rhiaro ... Also offlineoffroad.co.uk for mountain biking journal
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rhiaro ... logs rides and recipes
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rhiaro ... Also interested in publishing when not online. SMS, offline checkins etc
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rhiaro Calum: was here last year
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ShaneHudson_ I think offline would be a good thing to discuss
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rhiaro ... Since then, I've done some stuff on my site: calumryan.com
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rhiaro ... Also Jekyll
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rhiaro ... Added microformats, recently POSSE to twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme needs to check if offline checkins are working in mobilepub
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rhiaro ... *shows admin area*
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rhiaro ... Next thing to look at media, currently purely text
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson_: i doubt i'll be around but tell them about mobilepub, it needs a lot of development, but it works in concept
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ShaneHudson_ what is mobilepub
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Loqi MobilePub is a mobile app for posting text, links, photos, videos, and audio files to your website using micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub
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ShaneHudson_ Oh nice, that sounds useful
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ben_thatmustbeme i've done offline posting with it
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ben_thatmustbeme its broken for offline media posts
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tantek norm!
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rhiaro Norm: marknormanfrancis.com
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rhiaro ... Have written my own website software about 17 times
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rhiaro ... More excited about code than words
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rhiaro ... Set myself a challenge this year of writing more words
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rhiaro ... Last time was in april..
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rhiaro ... Want to demonstrate PESOS
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rhiaro ... Started this in 2011
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ben_thatmustbeme "more excited about writing the code than writing the words" I completely understand that
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rhiaro ... Website currently has coucdb behind it, pull things from APIs and dump json
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rhiaro ... Cron job that fetched them stoped working in 2011
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rhiaro ... "I'll fix that in a bit" 4 years ago
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rhiaro ... eurovisiondrinking.com
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@mal_disposto RT @kevinmarks: my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/619820469617864704)
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rhiaro ... when you're watching eurovision, it tells you when to drink. Static site hosted on S3
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ShaneHudson_ That's a complicated drinking game! :D
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ben_thatmustbeme really long looking URL
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rhiaro ... devfort-mocks.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com
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ben_thatmustbeme ah
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rhiaro ... Flask
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petermolnar.eu edited /web_hosting (+1758) "Personal Clouds: using digital ocean as dns provider for home-hosted setups" (view diff)
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rhiaro ... Compiles locally, deploys to S3
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rhiaro ... Cheaper
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rhiaro ... You can have a database driven website, but if it doesn't need to be dynamic when people are looking at it you can run database locally and just push static html
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tantek what is digital ocean?
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Loqi DigitalOcean is a web hosting provider targeted towards developers and offers low cost cloud servers in data centers across the world https://indiewebcamp.com/digital_ocean
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rhiaro IWC Bingo: 'there's a page on the wiki for that'
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petermolnar ...also providing free dns hosting, not advertised too much
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rhiaro Johannes: johannesdachsel.com
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rhiaro ... Notes and Articles
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: when does that bingo app get made?
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rhiaro ... OwnYourGram, micropub
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rhiaro ... POSSE
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rhiaro ... to twitter
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rhiaro ... Wrote a posting interface to make it easier to edit for twitter
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rhiaro ... Would like to switch to https
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petermolnar ( every single time I see POSSE I always hear H.P. Baxxter's voice from Scooter screaming 'Welcome POSSE' from their Back in the U.K. song )
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@LilyLionheart Very excited about the next two days @ #indiewebcamp in the fantastic @clearleft house. Thanks for organizing @adactio & @Lottejackson! (twitter.com/_/status/619822373987045376)
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tantek.com edited /2014-review (+739) "/* Talks */ pick a few to highlight representative for the year" (view diff)
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rhiaro ... ProcessWire CMS
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rhiaro Charlotte: lottejackson.com
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rhiaro ... Just wanted to start writing
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rhiaro ... KraftCMS (?)
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rhiaro ... Post articles and links
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rhiaro ... This weekend, want to look at webmentions, microformats
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rhiaro ... I also post a lot on twitter and flickr, would like to POSSE
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rhiaro ... Have seen one plugin for webmentions
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rhiaro ... Craft
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rhiaro s/Kraft/Craft
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seekr sprry, rhiaro - I missed your question 1.5 hours ago, messing with various things - you wrote: "Jul 11 05:22:02 <rhiaro> seekr: what's not working specifically. Site not
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seekr loading, or just no video/audio?" My answer is that Firefoxputs up a little widgety thing and says my mic is active, but does nothing else - remember, I have a broken camera - Chromium does nothing at all - trying various forms of Windoze now
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rhiaro seekr: hm, it should work without camera
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rhiaro adactio: schedule time! Then go for lunch
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seekr I'll continue to fiddle with it rhiaro
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ShaneHudson_ I'm working on getting micropub working. So close
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ben_thatmustbeme can we see the scheduling / grid
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ben_thatmustbeme just seeing the same site up on screen right nwo
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ben_thatmustbeme now*
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ShaneHudson_ Is Charlotte on here? If she is using Craft, a few of my plugins may help.
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@JaneAllie_9294 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI (twitter.com/_/status/619826456307351552)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @paulrobertlloyd: I use webmention.io for my site, and also post to github from my nice UI (twitter.com/_/status/619826457565634560)
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tantek I think I’ve got nearly all the sections of https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review ready to be blogged except one
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tantek if anyone would like to help out by summarizing 2014 site deaths - could you use your help here: https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Site_Deaths_2014
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seekr what happened to this channel? it's been dead for some time, it seems - is Bright on on a lunch break or what?
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seekr *Brighton
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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ben_thatmustbeme they are
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seekr ah
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seekr I still can't get talky to work :(
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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ben_thatmustbeme something disabled maybe
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ben_thatmustbeme or proxy issues
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ben_thatmustbeme or firewall
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seekr I'm running an oldish version of Linux Mint (v 14, Nadia), but my Firefox is relatively current
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ShaneHudson_ Talky is working for me but video feed is off
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seekr There's no firewall that I know of - just put in a new router - should check, though
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson_: therem something to look at
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seekr do certain ports have to be open and/or forwarded?
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ben_thatmustbeme no
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ShaneHudson_ ben_thatmustbemeHaha aww :)
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seekr hmmm
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson_: and her sister
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@andybudd RT @Lottejackson: #IndieWebCamp Brighton has started! https://twitter.com/Lottejackson/status/619797970914013184/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619834194781437952)
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ShaneHudson_ Ugh the one thing I don't like about Craft is the plugin routing. Takes me forever to work out
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson_: there is Charlotte's twitter handle if you wanted to tweet to her about the plugins you mentioned
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ShaneHudson_ Ah yeah cheers
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@ShaneHudson @Lottejackson I have a few very unstable Craft plugins for POSSE, webmention and micropub if you're interested? (twitter.com/_/status/619835107185135616)
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Loqi [bridgy] Bas van der Veeken +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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ben_thatmustbeme seekr what browser?
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seekr Firefox, ben_thatmustbeme
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seekr I tried Chromium also.
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ben_thatmustbeme what happens?
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seekr nothing happens with Chromium - just have a blank browser window
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ben_thatmustbeme and in FF?
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seekr in FF, a little widgety thing launches, asks for permission to use the mic, which I give it - and then there no further activity
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ben_thatmustbeme weird. so it sounds like its not getting mic/vid control
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ben_thatmustbeme if i try to open talky in two dif browsers thats what i get
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seekr possibly
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ben_thatmustbeme becasue the second one can never get access to the cam/audio
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seekr ah - well, I have skype running - wonder if it's interfering
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ben_thatmustbeme possibly
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seekr I'll shut it down to see if it makes a difference.
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seekr The Windoze route failed - nearly maxes out the cpu
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seekr (under vbox)
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ben_thatmustbeme ahhh this is under vbox
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seekr well, only the windoze attempt was
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ben_thatmustbeme linux?
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seekr that's after both ff & chromium failed under Linux itself
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmmm
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seekr gonna shut down vbox & skype and try again
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ben_thatmustbeme but the cam / audio was working in skype
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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ben_thatmustbeme make sure its trying to get access to the correct camera?
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seekr there's only one - built in (lappie), which got broken when I spilled tea on the kb :)
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seekr also fried the circuitry for the kb itself and he monitor - I use it with external devices
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@IndieWebCampUK RT @kevinmarks: my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/619838611991740416)
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seekr thanks, KevinMarks!
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seekr when do sessions resume?
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ben_thatmustbeme probably quite soon
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seekr trying talky in ff - vbox & skype now gone
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seekr nothing happening - just the little widgety thing is present
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seekr maybe it's trying to open the camera and fails - no error msgs, tho
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ben_thatmustbeme :/
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ben_thatmustbeme nothing in dmesg?
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seekr will check...
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rhiaro 55 mins
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rhiaro Long lunch in the sun..
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rhiaro 1400 bst
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seekr ah - my experience with England is that the sun generally hides behind clouds - spent a summer there - very bleak most of the time
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ShaneHudson_ It is a really nice day, I went and sat in the garden for a little while :) sooo bright
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seekr ah - good
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seekr nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, its just failing to get the cam i'm sure
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ShaneHudson_ Should probably grab some food though, brb while I make a bacon sarny :)
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seekr ben_thatmustbeme: nothing in dmesg for two whole days!
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@mshook RT @kevinmarks: my notes from the opening seesion of #indiewebcamp UK on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html via http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/619840595146706944)
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seekr ben_thatmustbeme: are you using Firefox with talky?
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ben_thatmustbeme i had it working, closed it for chrome as FF was choppy for me
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seekr just wondering whether the widget-thing should have more than the FF logo and mic icon
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seekr maybe it also generally has a camera icon?
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seekr if so, it might indicate that it's non-forgiving of a broken camera
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seekr Is there any audio or audio/video recording going on in Brighton for later archiving?
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ben_thatmustbeme i think so
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ben_thatmustbeme not sure, i don't think so
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seekr you think there should be a camera icon as part of the widget?
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ben_thatmustbeme i get the ff logo, cam, and mic (orange bg on the latter two)
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ben_thatmustbeme and an orange cam in the address bar
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seekr ah - that's gotta be it, then!
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seekr I see only the FF logo and a while mic on an orange background
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seekr It's prolly hanging trying to open the camera.
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ben_thatmustbeme i would guess so
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@JaneAllie_9294 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @hotzeplotz: other universities were using their own slos in a clunky way - why not let them use their own sites? (twitter.com/_/status/619841865291071488)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @hotzeplotz: other universities were using their own slos in a clunky way - why not let them use their own sites? (twitter.com/_/status/619841866914230272)
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seekr too bad it's not configurable to ignore a missing or broken camera
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rhiaro I dunno what the state of streaming will be after lunch btw
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rhiaro Depends on people in sessions and if there are spare laptops
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seekr Is there an essay somewhere that explains why silos as primary repositories are a bad thing? I'm assuming it's cos someone else owns the data, but perhaps my assumption is incorrect.
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rhiaro What is why
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Loqi "You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix
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seekr ah
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rhiaro Etc
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seekr thanks, rhiaro
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ShaneHudson_ rhiaro: There will be docs for each session though right?
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seekr have the snowden revelations caused more people to become interested in such things, do you think? It's sounding to me as if people are willing to feel stuff from their sites to silos, but maybe I'm wrong. If I'm not, doesn't it mean that privacy and/or anonymity are lost anyway? Sorry to be such a dumb newbie - just feelin' my way 'round here. :)
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seekr *to feed stuff
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rhiaro There are many reasons in the community
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rhiaro People are different
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seekr such have I discovered :)
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ShaneHudson_ For me it was a nice way to give new life to my site
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seekr wouldn't one want to avoid silos altogether if one is security conscious - maybe doing countercultural political stuff and wanting to maintain anonymity?
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seekr so the syndication bit is optional, I s'pose
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ShaneHudson_ On Quill, it is using the wrong micropub endpoint despite it being in the HEAD of my site? Any ideas?
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ShaneHudson_ *the right one being in the HEAD
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ben_thatmustbeme huh?
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ben_thatmustbeme what URL are you logging in with?
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ShaneHudson_ shanehudson.net
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ShaneHudson_ Ah there we go
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ShaneHudson_ just had to relogin
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ben_thatmustbeme oh okay
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tommorris Brightonians have returned from lunch.
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ShaneHudson_ \o/
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rhiaro http://rhiaro.co.uk/photos/1507iwcbrighton/day1sessions.jpg
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GWG tommorris: What about Location and Check-in?
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tommorris GWG: well, trying to explore ideas and solutions
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GWG tommorris: I've been trying to do that myself. Curious to see what you come up with
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rhiaro I added links to empty etherpads on the schedule ^ anyone here who's paying attention, make notes on your session :)
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ShaneHudson_ what is indieweb.txt
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb.txt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=indieweb.txt&summary=prompted+by+ShaneHudson_+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-11%2Fline%2F1436620327687
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rhiaro ShaneHudson_: an idea someone had earlier, not sure
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tommorris just floated the idea of micropub-backfill
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tommorris if you are doing PESOS, you could have an intermediary service that grabs all the *stuff* and PESOSes it to your own site
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@tvnweb Talking through the 'checklist' of #IndieWeb technologies http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619858175374790656/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619858175374790656)
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@tvnweb Another group is talking about PESOS (Publish Elsewhere Syndicate on you Own Site) techniques #IndieWebCamp Brighton https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619858662585159680/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619858662585159680)
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@rhiaro @tvnweb Be cool if you could encourage people to take notes - links to etherpads on schedule https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule :) (twitter.com/_/status/619859901536436224)
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@IndieWebCampUK Note taking for sessions in etherpads linked on the schedule: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule (twitter.com/_/status/619860334535380994)
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@rhiaro RT @IndieWebCampUK: Note taking for sessions in etherpads linked on the schedule: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton#Schedule (twitter.com/_/status/619862848387223552)
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@alicenwondrlnd How 'indie' are you? In session on IndieMark - defining a set of metrics for measuring the #indieweb-ness of a site http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (twitter.com/_/status/619863112020267008)
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@andybudd @alicenwondrlnd sounds like you've joined a cult / @adactio #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/619863754071756800)
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ShaneHudson_ Wooo :D https://shanehudson.net/2015/07/11/1347
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ShaneHudson_ Not perfect but micropub just published a note for me
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson++ nice!
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ShaneHudson_ I will also push the code to github
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ben_thatmustbeme Yay. What is your site in?
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ShaneHudson_ Craft
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ben_thatmustbeme Oh yeah you said that
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ShaneHudson_ https://github.com/ShaneHudson/Micropub_Craft
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Loqi [bridgy] jamal lashley +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://plus.google.com/+TinoKremer/posts/S7JzJGFxUp7)
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ShaneHudson_ Won't add geolocation support yet to plugin since that would require my specific setup... but Quill is now adding geo nicely to my posts :)
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ShaneHudson_ Who controls the indie auth site? Think to improve indieweb experience on mobile, that should be responsive
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LukasRos ShaneHudson_: You mean indieauth.com? That site was made by aaronpk.
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ShaneHudson_ Ah ok thought it might have been :) I actually mean the /auth page but yes
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@tinokremer I just moved my Tumblr posts to my own @withknown site, feels good! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/619877143472816128)
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ShaneHudson_ Are there any android devs here?
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@tinokremer I just moved my Tumblr posts to my own @withknown site and deleted my Tumblr account, feels good! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/619877378316087297)
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LukasRos I do have a little bit of Android experience.
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LukasRos Unless you mean by ”žhere“ someone at the IWC because I’m not there.
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ShaneHudson_ Nor am I :)
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ShaneHudson_ I am wondering how easy it is to create an app that will appear in the share menu on twitter. So that I can click "Reply on own site" and it will either handle micropub locally or hook into Quill or something on the web
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ShaneHudson_ So that I can use Twitter app as my reader like I already do but reply via POSSE. Currently it is so much easier to use the twitter app so I do
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LukasRos Haven’t done this but shouldn’t be too difficult, because you just need to know which Intent the app uses for sharing and then handle that Intent.
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LukasRos I think it should be an intent filter for android.intent.action.SEND.
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LukasRos Specified in the manifest. And then you need to parse the content of the Intent and either pass it to a URL in the browser or do something in the app.
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ShaneHudson_ Oh of course, it can be sent in the URL... hmm that makes it quite nice.
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ShaneHudson_ Will have a play :) If I can work out how to make an app haha Thanks :)
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LukasRos That would be great.
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tommorris following discussion at IWC Brighton, this now exists: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-experimental-properties
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ShaneHudson_ Ah nice :)
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ShaneHudson_ "For when we eventually build the open web dating service." I actually laughed out loud :D
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kylewm ShaneHudson_: here's a possible solution for your android/twitter question https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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ShaneHudson_ kylewm: Oh yes, I think I've seen that before. Will give it another try thanks :)
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ShaneHudson_ Though might make an app anyway, just to learn how :)
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kylewm I'll use your app if you do make it :)
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ShaneHudson_ Ah that's why I don't use it... it is disgusting xD
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ShaneHudson_ I'm going to go for a little walk then will make a start on it :)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (https://twitter.com/glennjones/status/619783530554490881)
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Loqi [bridgy] Al Power replied '@glennjones @indiewebcamp sad to be missing it (at a wedding!) - have fun all #IndieWebCamp' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (https://twitter.com/alpower/status/619788327978405889)
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Loqi [bridgy] Frederic Marx favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (https://twitter.com/glennjones/status/619783530554490881)
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@calum_ryan #indiewebcamp live blog http://calumryan.com/blog/indiewebcamp1/ (bear with me catching up!) (twitter.com/_/status/619887023785148416)
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@LukasRosenstock Just blogged: "Phone Numbers and the IndieWeb" - https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/60002190 (twitter.com/_/status/619890198244159488)
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LukasRos Actually not ”žjust“, that post is a bit older, just updated POSSE to use Zapier.
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jgarber Hello, IndieWebCampers! Has anyone combined Micropub with Rails? Specifically, ActiveRecord? ActiveRecord expects data (params) to be structured in a particular way so my first guess is that an app would need something between a Micropub endpoint and ActiveRecord, but wanted to float the question out there in case anyone else has tackled this.
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rhiaro jgarber: I dunno about Rails, but your micropub endpoint can do whatever you want
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rhiaro Translate/store the submitted data however you like
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jgarber rhiaro: Ah, right, good point. Perhaps I was over-thinking the entire thing.
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bret jgarber: i know some people have been doing some ruby work
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bret not sure if they were using rails
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bret https://github.com/homesteading
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bret not sure how complete this is https://github.com/homesteading/micropub-server-rails
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jgarber bret: I saw that just now. Documentation is pretty lacking, unfortunately. :-/
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rhiaro bret: there are a couple of people at IWC Brighton interested in gitpub (that's yours, right?)
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bret rhiaro: yeah...... that needs work
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bret think of it as a proof of concept! hope to have it rewritten this weekend
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rhiaro Probably put that in the readme if it's not already!
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bret hehe yeah i need to set better expectations
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rhiaro Oh man, do I have to stay up all night to watch IWC PDX?
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rhiaro I feel like I do.
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snarfed happy IWC all!
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snarfed tommorris: re pesos backfill, just fyi, check out https://github.com/snarfed/freedom
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rhiaro snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 111 karma
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snarfed ShaneHudson_: re indieweb replies etc on android, check out https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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snarfed also https://github.com/snarfed/open-in-app
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snarfed oh nm kylewm beat me to it
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rhiaro Anyone at IWC Brighton have dinner plans?
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@awoods RT @t: great talk by @barryf on “Why We Need The IndieWeb” https://vimeo.com/125167234 with why, how to, markup, code etc. (ttk.me t4aj1) (twitter.com/_/status/619902521889296384)
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Loqi slack/shaunguice: Good morning IWC! I'm hoping to participate remotely this weekend too. Is there a stream or webcam to load, or a hangout to join?
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Loqi slack/shaunguice: or a <http://talky.io|talky.io>
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bret hi shaunguice
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bret streams will be comin once the sessions start
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Loqi slack/shaunguice: cool. thanks
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gRegor-phone On our way. Will we need to be buzzed in again?
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rhiaro IWC Brighton will tune into pdx stream from the pub when it's up
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rhiaro Somebody ping me when it is
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bret will do!
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tommorris is located in pub.
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@benjaminparry Well that was one very exciting day of discussions and demos of #IndieWeb technologies! Let's see how much can be implemented tomorrow. (twitter.com/_/status/619908187966279680)
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rhiaro tommorris we should be really social and talk over irc
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tommorris Telepresence has found its compelling use case: getting drunk with geeks.
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ShaneHudson_ Finally, Android Studio has done its update
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GWG Will be back after lunch to join in for a bit
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KevinMarks heh, I want the opposite of https://github.com/snarfed/open-in-app
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Loqi gives KevinMarks the opposite of https
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/606130862824898560
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@kevinmarks @tcarmody @kissane links to the Facebook app take 8 seconds to load if you're on the web (twitter.com/_/status/606130862824898560)
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KevinMarks can someone at indiewebcamp PDX do the noterlive scribing?
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rhiaro Live stream??
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rhiaro really wants to stream in the pub
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snarfed KevinMarks: lol i hear you
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snarfed should be doable!
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seekr will the live stream from portland also use talky? seems I'm unable to connect to talky streams, due most likely to my non-functional camera, which seems to be needed for talky to work
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@kevinmarks RT @tinokremer: @kevinmarks instead I use Known, easy setup and fully #indieweb compliant (twitter.com/_/status/619916899699142656)
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rhiaro is concerned about welfare of Portland, it's too quiet
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KevinMarks_ They may be overcome by vegan donuts
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seekr don
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seekr oops - don't they start at 10:30 pdt, which is under 20 mins from now?
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rhiaro is insanely jealous of anyone with vegan donuts
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rhiaro Oh, I thought it was 10
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rhiaro calms down
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seekr rhiaro: according to the schedule at http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Schedule , they should be starting about now
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@tvnweb Post #IndieWebCamp drinks on the beach https://twitter.com/tvnweb/status/619920421224345600/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/619920421224345600)
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@pypi_updates django-webmention 0.0.2: A pluggable implementation of webmention for Django projects. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.2 (twitter.com/_/status/619921091390251008)
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@Bradamante just arrived @indiewebcamp, and already we're talking docs! :D #writethedocs (twitter.com/_/status/619921094749720577)
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bret PDX is sstarting out
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seekr will there be any sort of non-talky stream available?
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@TapestryMaker Good turnout at #indiewebcamp in Portland -- @aaronpk's kicking things off (twitter.com/_/status/619922126577905664)
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bret seekr: i could set up a youtube stream
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seekr yeah!! would be wond'rous, bret! thanks muchly!!! :)
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Loqi slack/shaunguice: I'd like that.
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tantek good morning from Portland!
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seekr mornin', tantek
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KevinMarks_ . Morning Tantek
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@BillSeitz RT @tinokremer: @kevinmarks instead I use Known, easy setup and fully #indieweb compliant (twitter.com/_/status/619922439196114944)
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KevinMarks_ Can someone there do noterlive.com scribing?
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tantek aren’t we streaming?
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tantek aaronpk introduces IndieWebCamp 2015!
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tantek the 5th annual main IndieWebCamp
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tantek aaronpk reviewed /principles
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seekr tantek: bret has offered to do a uToob stream
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tantek and gave a quick overview of /code-of-conduct as well
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tantek aaronpk is now showing / explaining the schedule for the next two days. /2015/Schedule
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tantek thanking the sponsors! ESRI for the space, nlnet, Bridgy, and Mozilla for food and other expenses
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seekr still no sessions listed on schedule
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rhiaro seekr: no sessions until after intro
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tantek seekr - we’re not at session proposing yet
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seekr oh - sorry
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rhiaro wants stream tho...
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seekr bret's working on it he sez, rhiaro
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bret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJCtLhopfDY
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@JvCode RT @pypi_updates: django-webmention 0.0.2: A pluggable implementation of webmention for Django projects. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.2 (twitter.com/_/status/619923440263372800)
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seekr ah - great - thanks, bret!
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bret seekr: working?
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Loqi slack/shaunguice: bret: working. audio a bit trippy but definitely better than nothing!
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benwerd Audio is a little funky, but hooray!
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Loqi benwerd: snarfed left you a message on 7/10 at 4:02pm: feel better! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436569320504
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Loqi benwerd: KevinMarks left you a message on 7/10 at 5:28pm: I hope you feel better soon http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436574511234
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bret ack, sorry!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 7/10 at 5:35pm: rest-up and feel better. Sorry to miss you but take care of yourself and we’ll hack online! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-10/line/1436574949684
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benwerd Aw, thanks snarfed and tantek. I did the right thing (still under the weather), but I'm watching.
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rhiaro thanks bret!
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bret what is wrong with audio?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wrong with audio" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=wrong+with+audio&summary=prompted+by+bret+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-11%2Fline%2F1436636484757
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seekr bret - still setting up - will know in a moment
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tommorris Watching IWC in pub. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/81sawnIG/IMG_2389.JPG
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bret :D
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rhiaro Shame it's not a two way stream
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bret rhiaro: we can set up a talky later for the sessions
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bret or add you to the hangout?
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rhiaro It's okay, it's tooloud for us to hear here
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rhiaro And I don't know where I'll be later
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rhiaro wifi etc
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bret kk
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rhiaro It was nice to briefly connect the two events though :)
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KevinMarks_ Attending Brighton and watching g portland in the pub looks better than staying up until 4 watching Brighton then attending portland
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rhiaro :)
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rhiaro might stay up all night to watch portland
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seekr bret: video is fine, but audio is very inaudible :(
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bret is that better?
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seekr not really
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bret hrmm
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seekr can't understand what she's saying
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seekr ah - better now!
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bret aaronpk: do we have a speaker phone?
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tantek thanks for the audio check seekr!
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aaronpk Yeah
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tantek anyone taking notes on demos?
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bret im streaming it
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benwerd This is awesome
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bret aaronpk: usb? can I grab it?
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tantek I demo’d my indie RSVP support, and aaronpk’s indie event support. And also my <style scoped> support for custom post styles.
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aaronpk The other camera is http://beta.talky.io/indiewebcamp
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tantek LIly is now demoing her site, she takes photos of everything she buys as part of a “buy focal” project
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tantek she uses Instagrator pro to PESOS Instagram posts to her site
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bret ohh ok
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@benwerd If you're missing #indiewebcamp, people are demoing their projects on the stream right now: