#indiewebcamp 2015-08-03

2015-08-03 UTC
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GWG I keep thinking of starting another WordPress plugin.
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GWG I'm wondering how you determine you have too many open projects to start a new one
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aaronpk I always have too many open projects
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GWG A nicknames cache is a bit ambitious.
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myfreeweb aaronpk: my likes were h-cites, and the author property was on the h-cite, but now I changed that to be just links
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GWG To build one that 'fits' into WordPress is the challenge more than anything else.
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aaronpk myfreeweb: i'm still seeing the wrong author here https://unrelenting.technology/likes/2015-08-02-14-48-32
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aaronpk check out the parsed result: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Funrelenting.technology%2Flikes%2F2015-08-02-14-48-32
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GWG Wondering if I should finish up my fixes to Post Kinds, write some unit tests for Micropub, fix the errors in Simple Location...
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aaronpk your h-card is outside the h-entry
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GWG aaronpk: So is mine.
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myfreeweb yeah so there should be no author property at all
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aaronpk if you want your h-card outside the h-entry, just make sure you aren't setting a different author on the h-entry!
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myfreeweb Looks like the parser read the author of the like cite as the author of the entry!
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aaronpk yes, because you have the author *outside* the h-cite
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myfreeweb oh dammit how did I even type that
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myfreeweb looks like I thought the template for loop was the h-cite :D
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wagle i'm trying to write down all my open projects.. way too many
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GWG wagle: Feel free to contribute to any Indieweb WordPress ones you want.
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GWG I'd love the company.
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wagle ok!
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loqi.me created /next_homebrew_website_club (+21) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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wagle well, i need to offload my project list by getting other people interested, hence indieweb as a means for collaboration
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GWG wagle: How are you doing with mf2_s, Post Kinds, Micropub, Webmentions, Semantic Linkbacks, Wordpress-uf2, SemPress, etc?
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wagle will be a week or so
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wagle hafta get this mooc's weekly quizzes don
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wagle hafta get this mooc's weekly quizzes done
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wagle but one of my top projects IS getting 2010 to support mf2
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wagle havent started yet, sorry
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GWG wagle: No sorry required. Just curious to see how it works out.
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wagle ok
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GWG wagle: I've been looking for some people to provide feedback on the experience of being a WordPress Indieweb newcomer so we can improve.
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wagle oh ok.. my first problem is not knowing php.. and barely knowing css (I did manage to get one of the 40px gaps to go to 10px in sempress, but ...)
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wagle i know about 20 programming languages, so php doesnt scare me, just make me nervous that I copy something stuid
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wagle i know about 20 programming languages, so php doesnt scare me, just make me nervous that I copy something stupid
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wagle will work through the mf tutorial soon
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wagle had some trouble finding the spots in google+ and flickr to refer back to my main web site
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ben_thatmustbeme The sempress theme really could use some updating
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GWG wagle: I was talking about as a user, not a developer.
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ben_thatmustbeme I basically ripped it all apart and I still feel like I need to completely redo the css
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: We really need an interested designer to incorporate something into their work.
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wagle there's a spaghetti of wiki pages to go through, with some not-quite-duplication bwteen them, such that you have to read all of them carefully to get the whole picture
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GWG I worked on a starter theme hoping a designer would come along.
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GWG wagle: That's what we want to make better. The user experience
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wagle GWG: dont know what you mean as user?
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KartikPrabhu wagle: re: wiki pages. not really. For mf2 you should add it incrementally. start with h-entry and h-card
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KartikPrabhu if you decide to know everything before starting you probably never start
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wagle heh.. but i'm now currently trying to figure out how to best stumble around
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KartikPrabhu like I said. start by adding h-entry and h-card to your markup http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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wagle sure, i hear ya
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KartikPrabhu and because mf2 has implicit property parsing, the minimal examples will directly work. You can add explicit properties if/when you need to
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wagle oki, i'm doing other things this evening, should start tomorrow or so
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wagle but that sounds like a good start
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GWG wagle: Person not developing, who wants to add Indieweb tools to their existing WordPress install.
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wagle ok, my main problem is that 2010 is the theme that does what I want in terms of presentation.. sempress wont fit trivial pages on a screen, but REQUIRES scrolling.. so I seem to be stuck mangling sempress or mf2_s or wordpress-uf2 to get microformats
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wagle the solution might be to make wordpress-uf2 "better" (but its readme is a year old, so maybe it IS better)
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GWG wagle: mf2_s is meant for mangling.
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wagle ya
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GWG wagle: wordpress-uf2...pfefferle just did a commit, and asked if I had any ideas...haven't gotten to it.
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wagle the mangle verb was mostly intended for sempress
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GWG I have a few looking at it, that we did in Semantic Linkbacks and a few other places.
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GWG wagle: The issue is that you can only do so much with filters and hooks.
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wagle ok, noted 8)
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GWG wagle: On the other hand...there are a lot of hooks
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Kongaloosh Mmmmm... I'm having some trouble sending webmentions to myself. I'm using webmention.io for handling. I've got it setup to send a mention and I get a 200 back---so it seems to be formatted correctly---but when I check for mentions on my target, none come up.
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Kongaloosh anyone have any troubleshooting tips?
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kylewm Kongaloosh: the source document links to the target?
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@raisercostin #ownyourdata "The system’s defence mechanism is to form monopolies –the giant tech companies[…] yet they cannot last" http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun?CMP=share_btn_tw (twitter.com/_/status/628094973175578624)
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@derhess Great summary: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review #indieweb #indiedev #web (twitter.com/_/status/628141221429514240)
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@TheIndieSloth RT @derhess: Great summary: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review #indieweb #indiedev #web (twitter.com/_/status/628141271991889920)
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@FlappyTeam RT derhess: Great summary: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review #indieweb #indiedev #web (via T… (twitter.com/_/status/628141326945677312)
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Jeena I wrote some code which tries to get the info we normally get from microformats on a reply from a normal HTML site https://gist.github.com/jeena/9cf17b00f68dca4bcc21
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Jeena I have at least one site which uses all the rel=author, rel=in-reply-to and so on but not within microformats, just the relations
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cweiske you can extract authorship information from head/link[@rel=author] and head/meta[@name=author] tags
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Jeena yeah I should add this, true
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Jeena this is how the result looks like def source_base_url(url)
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Jeena URI.join(self.source_uri.gsub(URI.parse(self.source_uri).request_uri, ""), url).to_s
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Jeena end
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Jeena ups sorry https://jeena.net/notes/350
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cweiske Jeena, I think that "in reply to" on your note page should be above the text
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Jeena yeah I was thinking about that, the only problem is that it looks weird, but yes I agree
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cweiske otherwise you only see that it refers to something else after you read it
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Jeena hm but perhaps in between my name and the text?
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cweiske yep
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Jeena better?
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cweiske ye;
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cweiske p
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Jeena thanks for kicking my butt into doing it ;)
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@LanceCoyote https://medium.com/matter/the-web-we-have-to-save-2eb1fe15a426 Great read on how the web changed in less than a decade. #IndieWeb related due to how silos changed how we surf (twitter.com/_/status/628171337777831936)
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GWG Good morning
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@permutans "#IndieWeb" is a nice idea and all, but... there're no comment forms on your websites (twitter.com/_/status/628180438650093568)
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@tinokremer @permutans in fact, there is. Website owners can choose to or not. Besides, you can comment from your own #indieweb site (twitter.com/_/status/628180801419481088)
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Jeena GWG, where are you from?
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GWG Jeena: New York.
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Jeena ah, ok, I'm just trying to get a sense of the time zones people are in
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TinoKremer|Work Most are in the US afaik, I'm not though. The Netherlands here, hi! :)
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ben_thatmustbeme irc-people has timezones i believe
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@petermolnar @ReadMatter I only got to read "The Web We Have to Save" now; we'd love to see you at #indieweb & http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/628182148265189376)
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ben_thatmustbeme TinoKremer|Work: there are a good number in here from Europe too
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ben_thatmustbeme the majority are west coast US as thats where it started
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TinoKremer|Work Yeh, and I see most activity in that timezone too. Too bad there are no indiewebcamps in my country yet
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Jeena America 87, Europe 67, US 31, GMT 2
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ben_thatmustbeme TinoKremer|Work: start one! :)
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe start with a HWC
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, gotta go prep for work
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TinoKremer|Work I would love to, time is a bit of a constraint here :)
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Jeena TinoKremer|Work, I started one in Gothenburg, last week was the first one https://jeena.net/photos/164
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TinoKremer|Work Good luck in that case. I'm almost done for the day (2,5 hours of worktime remaining)
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Jeena about 3 hours every 2 weeks
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TinoKremer|Work Sweden? nice!
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@tinokremer @permutans we're not. It's just an IRC bot looking for the hashtag #indieweb :) (twitter.com/_/status/628191160180146176)
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@petermolnar @zeynep in reply to https://medium.com/message/the-web-of-relationships-we-have-to-save-7f337de03e34 have you came across #indieweb (http://indiewebcamp.com) yet? (twitter.com/_/status/628200418485661696)
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@LanceCoyote How IndieWeb Makes Comments (a little) Better: My e-friends and I have always had a simple tip for any newcomers to… http://lancey.space/2015/08/how-indieweb-makes-comments-a-little-better (twitter.com/_/status/628203898054930432)
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Loqi [mention] Lance Coyote posted 'My e-friends and I have always had a simple tip for any newcomers to the growing web: never read the comments section. In our modern web, ...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (http://lancey.space/2015/08/how-indieweb-makes-comments-a-little-better)
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Loqi [mention] Lance Coyote posted 'My e-friends and I have always had a simple tip for any newcomers to the growing web: never read the comments section. In our modern web, ...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (http://lancey.space/2015/08/how-indieweb-makes-comments-a-little-better)
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LanceyWork Loqi whyyyy
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Loqi is done
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aaronpk oh hey LanceyWork thanks for providing me with a recent example of one post linking to many wiki pages :)
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LanceyWork you're welcome
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aaronpk i'm working on clustering the notifications here
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wagle its all a monad
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wagle runs
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@mshook https://indiewebcamp.com/ #via #kevinmarks #distributed #silo #social #complicated #comment #withknown #protocol .. http://mshook.withknown.com/2015/via-kevinmarks-distributed-silo-social-complicated-comment-withknown-protocol-wishlist (twitter.com/_/status/628214099868934144)
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Loqi [mention] http://mshook.withknown.com/2015/via-kevinmarks-distributed-silo-social-complicated-comment-withknown-protocol-wishlist posted 'https://indiewebcamp.com/ #via #kevinmarks #distributed #silo #social #complicated #comment #withknown #protocol #wishlist #critique #alter...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/
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Loqi [mention] http://mshook.withknown.com/2015/via-kevinmarks-distributed-silo-social-complicated-comment-withknown-protocol-wishlist posted 'https://indiewebcamp.com/ #via #kevinmarks #distributed #silo #social #complicated #comment #withknown #protocol #wishlist #critique #alter...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/
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Jeena Somehow I need a better way of tagging people in notes.
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@LanceCoyote If you’re interested in #IndieWeb and want to start your own site, I recommend https://t.co/DQhxpWpxug. Easy setup with lots of flexibility (twitter.com/_/status/628215378435424257)
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LanceyWork Jeena, how are you doing it now?
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Jeena https://jeena.net/comments/404 like here with Tino
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Jeena it should be done inline in the text if possible
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LanceyWork i think the twitter @-syntax is a pretty good way to work it
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LanceyWork just store the names and websites of people you mention, then link to their site when you @mention them
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Jeena na, I like the Facebook way better
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Jeena hm but that is actually not a bad idea
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Jeena and it would even work with micropub
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LanceyWork redwind does it, not sure what else does
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LanceyWork yeah
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Jeena I really need a database with it first somehow
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TinoKremer|Work You could also link to their profile page and grab the name to show visibly in the post when you mention
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Jeena or hm, thanks for the tip, I guess I will try to implement it
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Jeena my problem is to decide if a http://jeena.net is just a normal link or if it is a mention of a person
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Jeena (automatically)
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Jeena but the thing with @mention would work around that
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Jeena and it would make it easy to autosuggest, micropub, and so on
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LanceyWork you could always search the link for a h-card and pull the author name from there, but that might make it resolve article links into contacts
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Jeena I just need to not save a note if a @mention can not be resolved so after some time I will have a database
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Jeena LanceyWork, that is my fear actually that this will happen more often than not
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Jeena ok cool, that is a good plan actually
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Jeena I can start implementing it right away, I don't think I will work more today anyway ;)
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@hs0ucy RT @LanceCoyote: If you’re interested in #IndieWeb and want to start your own site, I recommend https://t.co/DQhxpWpxug. Easy setup with lo… (twitter.com/_/status/628218725800521728)
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@LanceCoyote Another good thing about #IndieWeb: smaller, faster websites. Indie sites load way less than silos, which is a becoming a big deal. (twitter.com/_/status/628223262992920576)
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Loqi [mention] http://boffosocko.com/2015/08/03/what-i-use-august-2015/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@kevinmarks @sressler @vgr you can use fragmentions to link to the text see http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/628227703385108480)
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@agambrahma https://indiewebcamp.com/why <-- Came across this, realized I had been struggling to articulate something similar for the last several years ... (twitter.com/_/status/628241726629482502)
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amz3 true
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snarfed how's clustering going aaronpk?
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snarfed i'm guessing any "help" wouldn't actually help much right now :P, but happy to help however i can
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aaronpk hehe thanks!
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aaronpk i made some more pgoress last night, still have to finish it up today
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ben_thatmustbeme what are you clustering?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you clustering" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100w
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ben_thatmustbeme glares at loqi
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aaronpk the notifications that webmention.io generate
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Loqi dude
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ben_thatmustbeme ahhh
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@voxpelli @LanceCoyote If you add http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config to your WebActions then I can also as easily write a reply on my site as I can on Twitter :) (twitter.com/_/status/628258203436978177)
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snarfed quiet without tantek
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KevinMarks_ we need to start tanteking each other?
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme what are people working on?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "people working on" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100x
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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ben_thatmustbeme no
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ben_thatmustbeme . what are you all working on?
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ben_thatmustbeme hah :P
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snarfed fb api. never ends. :/ https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Anow
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i had this great idea to do the mp-chaining to FB
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ben_thatmustbeme but i really don't want to go through all that junk
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LanceyWork ben_thatmustbeme, trying to figure out why my flask setup isn't working
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: mp chaining is great! feel free to use bridgy publish to avoid the api part :P
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ben_thatmustbeme well bridgy publish was what i was trying to remove my reliance on. get an alternate option to it
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snarfed aha
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ben_thatmustbeme figure multiple options is always better
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme++ for diversity
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 108 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme thus indieID as an alterantive to indieauth.com
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snarfed there are lots of posse alternatives right now, but almost no backfeed alternatives. honestly i'd love to see another of those
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ben_thatmustbeme I really like the idea of being able to just register new syndication targets to my endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, backfeed is definitely a huge undertaking
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KevinMarks_ I think this joins up with the micropub without indieauth stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme i'd love to see someone convince a waning silo to try embracing some indieweb ideas. get them sending webmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme for that matter I wonder if a general list of Social web silos
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ben_thatmustbeme so we could look at all the options
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm sure there are tons of minor ones out there
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KevinMarks_ why waning? how about up and coming? hint hint
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2015/08/what-should-i-do-how-should-i-prioritize-my-free-time/ posted 'I’m having a problem. I currently feel like I need to ”accomplish” something, and that I haven’t done that in quite a while. In reality th...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2015/08/what-should-i-do-how-should-i-prioritize-my-free-time/ posted 'I’m having a problem. I currently feel like I need to ”accomplish” something, and that I haven’t done that in quite a while. In reality th...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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kylewm oh no i've learned anxiety when IDs start looking different, this instagram photo has a weird long id all of a sudden? https://instagram.com/p/57mzFbyBqTI9Q-rguUsXIz3bY1hd3iQnppGFY0/
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aaronpk that's 404 for me
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Zegnat 404 on this end too
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kylewm private account
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kylewm maybe that's why the weird url
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snarfed1 kylewm: heh. we have fb api ptsd
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kylewm wipes sweat from brow
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks_: them too
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ben_thatmustbeme I know there have been suggestions of that floating for a while
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ben_thatmustbeme it would be cool
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@rtaibah This! The Web We Have To Save. https://medium.com/matter/the-web-we-have-to-save-2eb1fe15a426 Author drives the point home. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/628288733133942784)
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KevinMarks_ so we have /swat0 - presumably we need a page for each other socialwg user story too?
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ben_thatmustbeme i think i do all the "posting a note" bits
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ben_thatmustbeme i can update and delete over micropub
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@mhirschmann indieweb - klingt nach einer sinnvollen Sache, die sich gerne verbreiten soll - http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/ via @wirresnet (twitter.com/_/status/628290384821645312)
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KevinMarks_ I was going to suggets acronym page names liek SWAT0 but then we get SWFAP
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Jeena hm, tanteks homepage crashes the ruby microformats parser
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KevinMarks_ we all have single user UPAN, and I suspect we're close to micropub client/server too
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KevinMarks_ it is a bit big
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KevinMarks_ it takes 8 seconds to parse in python
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kylewm wat! https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com
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kylewm maybe it takes 8 seconds on a potato :)
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KevinMarks_ on appengine
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kylewm like i said...
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kylewm oh burn, google
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KevinMarks_ 2.43 s
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KevinMarks_ 10.58s on munmun that time
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KevinMarks_ s/munmun/unmung
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: 10.58s on unmung that time
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KevinMarks_ it is running on the free teir
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KevinMarks_ rhiaro++ for https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements
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Loqi rhiaro has 135 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme i was just trying to figure out some smart way to get my site to change \n to <br> on posting and such
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kylewm KevinMarks_: is unmung using the bad python html.parser?
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ben_thatmustbeme then realized... my articles are html, and i unified everything.... so i can just insert html in my posts
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, Formatting!
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Loqi awesome
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KevinMarks_ html5lib I think
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kylewm huh, I wonder why it's so much slower
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KevinMarks_ hm, I think I did require lxlml too
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KevinMarks_ didn't seem to make a difference
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KevinMarks_ though not sure which it is using
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KevinMarks_ how do i ask it?
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2015/08/what-should-i-do-how-should-i-prioritize-my-free-time/ posted 'I’m having a problem. I currently feel like I need to ”accomplish” something, and that I haven’t done that in quite a while. In reality th...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/8/2/1/ that is much more readable
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KevinMarks_ yes
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KevinMarks_ and if I force repoll in woodwind they come through
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ben_thatmustbeme excellent
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kylewm and then you have posts like this that lose all formatting in WW https://reader.kylewm.com/?entry=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2015%2F200%2Ft1%2Ffsws2010-inspiration-indiewebcamp
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KevinMarks_ thre isn't much formatting there
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aaronpk is it just collapsing whitespace?
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aaronpk yeah just add "white-space: pre-wrap" and it looks great
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Jeena I never quite understood the prefixes in microformats
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Jeena what does this do? <p class="u-comment">foo .</p>
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aaronpk Jeena: they are indicators to the parser
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Jeena the ruby parser crashes there
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Jeena and tells me that "foo ." is not a url
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aaronpk yeah the ruby parser doesn't handle those properly
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aaronpk https://github.com/G5/microformats2/issues/31
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aaronpk <p class="u-comment h-cite">...</p> means that the value of "comment" will come from the URL of the h-cite object
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Jeena ah ok
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kylewm aaronpk: I can add white-space: pre-wrap to that one, but then ben's poem with <br>'s would look weird
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aaronpk kylewm: oh because ben doesn't use white-space pre-wrap?
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kylewm right
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KevinMarks_ does tantek pre-wrap his html then?
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KevinMarks_ hm .h-as-note .e-content, .as-note .e-content { white-space:pre-wrap; }
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KevinMarks_ seems like something worth passing along in the post markup?
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Jeena aaronpk, your only avatar on your page is this small one? https://aaronparecki.com/images/aaronpk.png
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aaronpk i have more, not sure if I link to them from anywhere
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Jeena it is the same size as I use for mentions of others on my website but in the future I kind of would like a design with bigger ones
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Jeena 48x48 is so 2002!
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aaronpk hehe
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Jeena I'm writing something to populate my database which I later on will use for autocompletion for taging
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aaronpk cool
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Jeena hm how would I find a h-card here? http://www.kevinmarks.com/ there are ones but only within h-feed which aren't really what I'm looking for
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KevinMarks_ hm, did I mess it up?
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Jeena I'm not sure, you have a h-card for the feed there
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KevinMarks_ that page has had an hcard since forever
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KevinMarks_ so it may be a bit retro
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Jeena but I can't see a h-card outside of the h-feed
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ben_thatmustbeme what is representative h-card
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Loqi The representative h-card for a page is an h-card on that page that represents that page, if any, as not all pages are about a person or organization, a page might not have a representative h-card https://indiewebcamp.com/representative_h-card
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KevinMarks_ that's OK isn't it?
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KevinMarks_ I thought I followed representative h-card
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ben_thatmustbeme not sure, haven't looked at it, i was just pointing the discussion that way
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Jeena it could be that I just don't know how to get the representative h-card
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com
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ben_thatmustbeme thats what i was just running, unmung on it
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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ben_thatmustbeme it looks good from here
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ben_thatmustbeme Jeena, look at that page, it has a pretty good list of steps
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KevinMarks_ or http://www.unmung.com/hovercard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks_ if it has a url that is the same page in it, that's a good clue ;)
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KevinMarks_ heh http://www.unmung.com/hovercard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjeena.net
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Jeena hm I don't have a url on my page
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KevinMarks_ I think I just look fro h-card
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Jeena but there could be different h-cards
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KevinMarks_ my algorthm is crude at the moment
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Jeena tantek has h-cards of the comments on his homepage
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Jeena which page should I look at, ben_thatmustbeme?
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gRegorLove ben_thatmustbeme: I adapted the WordPress autop function to add <p> and <br> automatically when I post notes. Works pretty well. https://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/trunk/src/wp-includes/formatting.php#L456
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ben_thatmustbeme whenever i get around to that identity index service, I'm going to try and get a clean lib for h-card identity
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kylewm Jeena: authorship is the best description of the algorithm iirc
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kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/authorship#Determining
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Jeena that fails on step 1.
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Jeena ;) there is no h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme oh yeah, that was the page i was thinking of
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kylewm that is... a good point
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gRegorLove heh
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ben_thatmustbeme it should say h-*
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ben_thatmustbeme i argue
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gRegorLove authorship for an h-feed is different, I think?
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kylewm i guess this one then? http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-parsing
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Jeena I just want to have the authorship of the domain
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ben_thatmustbeme http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-parsing
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ben_thatmustbeme beat me to it
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Jeena ah thanks, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme my plan is to go with top level h-*. are any h-card? if so, use first. if not are there h-feed or h-entry... if so, check for author h-card. if not.... i guess check all h-cards
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ben_thatmustbeme if none... explode
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gRegorLove Plan for . . . a nickname cache? Or just general authorship parsing?
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Jeena ok it is not pretty but it seems to work with KevinMarks website now
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Jeena card = collection.card || collection.try(:feed).try(:author).try(:format) || collection.try(:entry).try(:author).try(:format)
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Jeena gRegorLove, I am doing a nickname cache
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Jeena is there something like this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people but with the domains instead of links to wiki users?
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ben_thatmustbeme no, i just parsed all that out
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ben_thatmustbeme to grab urls only
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ben_thatmustbeme if you want i can get that to you when i get home
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ben_thatmustbeme even if you are trying to beat me to the nickname cache :P
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Jeena hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme thatmustbe.us is a pretty good URL for it though
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Jeena Hm, perhaps I could do some statistics on how many have a h-card on their website, etc.
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gRegorLove Related: /indie-stats
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gRegorLove and snarfed has a wishlist post on his site somewhere
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snarfed totally! oh man i'd still love that. linked from https://snarfed.org/indie-stats
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snarfed the project is a good start, but doesn't yet do most of what i describe
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kylewm last time i looked at indiestats it said my site didn't have an h-card :(
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kylewm https://indie-stats.com/stats?domain=kylewm.com IYI
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snarfed1 kylewm: yeah i've never had much luck with it either :/
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Jeena kylewm I guess they implemented it like I did first, just checking for a h-card at the top level, not within a h-feed like on your website
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KevinMarks_ well, at some point my site became more feed than h-card so I swapped
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KevinMarks_ it looked liek this for ages
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Jeena same for snarfed there is also a h-feed on <body> so it would not have been found by my first attempt
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KevinMarks_ https://web.archive.org/web/20070703201636/http://kevinmarks.com/
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snarfed Jeena: just fyi my site is pretty typical wordpress, so you'll see plenty of others like it
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Jeena yeah, I fixed my code, but I guess indie-stats is doing something like I did and that is why it doesn't find your guys h-cards
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snarfed ah thx
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gRegorLove I didn't know about indie-stats.com
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gRegorLove Authentication failed after returning from indieauth.
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Jeena same here
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snarfed last time we talked about it w/bear, he said he's been busy with his real job, but he tried to encourage a few people from IWC (i think) who made noises about contributing
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KevinMarks_ there was a point when I had google friend connect on my site too
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kylewm I think maybe there is some ucommitted code hanging out on indie-stats.com
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kylewm I can't find the count_hcards module/method
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Jeena hehe I've been looking into that too just now and I can't find it either
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bear oh poo - I was supposed to do that this pas weekend
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bear does that now
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Jeena bear how do you determin if there is a h-card on the page or not?
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bear jenna - you will find the count_hcards.py in the repo now
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kylewm bear++
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Loqi bear has 69 karma
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bear apologies for the delay
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Jeena ah you have a bug there ;)
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Jeena the same one which I had today
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bear and yes, i'm open/willing to make any changes
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bear Jeena - what is your github id - i'll add you to the contribs list
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@a_simpson @Cennydd @jaffathecake @paulrobertlloyd http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention 😎 (twitter.com/_/status/628333834426314752)
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Jeena I'm not sure I will be able to fix it, and if so I can just send a pull request
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bear k
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Jeena but I think if I explain than it will be easy to fix for you
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bear Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 16 karma
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Jeena in https://github.com/bear/indie-stats/blob/master/data/scripts/count_hcards.py#L28-L29 you're just checking if there is a hcard as a child of items
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Jeena but a h-card can be a child of a child of items
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Jeena like in a h-feed or a h-entry
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Jeena and many have it like that
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Jeena see http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-parsing
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Jeena see for example http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2F
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bear so your saying I have to walk the entire tree for anything that has an h-card type?
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bear but this stat is supposed to be the h-card *of* the domain - not all h-chards
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Jeena yes, that is how it is defined
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Jeena at leas how I understand the text
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bear k, at first i can make sure I scan all of the children of the items entry
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Jeena https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L211
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bear k, i'll take a pass at that tonight
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Jeena my implementation ended up being quite easy to do (I'm using the ruby parser): card = collection.card || collection.try(:feed).try(:author).try(:format) || collection.try(:entry).try(:author).try(:format)
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bear i'll have to explore the latest mf2util code and see if they have any new helper functions
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/raumzeit77-wordpress-has-some-pretty-great-resources-for-implementing-indieweb commented '@raumzeit77 http://indiewebcamp.com/wordpress has some pretty great resources for implementing IndieWeb on WordPress. If it helps, try f...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/wordpress
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raumzeit hi people
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Jeena hi raumzeit, we've just been reading the issue on github of yours ;)
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raumzeit haha, nice
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raumzeit and i was like: lets try this irc zhing
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Jeena it's oldschool man
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raumzeit jep, that how it looks like
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Jeena if you're on os x try https://www.codeux.com/textual/
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raumzeit using lime for the moment, but maybe ill invest the 5 bucks
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Jeena ah but lime is nice too
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Jeena I thought you were using some webinterface or something
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aaronpk there's always our Slack channel too :)
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raumzeit i dont have a clue what slack is ^^
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aaronpk that's fine too :)