#indiewebcamp 2015-08-06

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GWG Anyone seen pfefferle lately?
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wagle yymmdd
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wagle GWG^^^
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegorLove++ haha hi aarons
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Loqi gRegorLove has 29 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme what is hi aarron
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hi aarron" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1012
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ben_thatmustbeme what is hi aaron
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hi aaron" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1013
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aaronpk omg what is happening
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KartikPrabhu please don not convert my off-handed joke in to a new post-type
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KevinMarks_ Happening is a hippie version of /event
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wagle what is wagle.io
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wagle.io" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1014
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wagle huh, ok
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KartikPrabhu who is KartikPrabhu
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kartikprabhu.com
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KartikPrabhu somethign like that
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KevinMarks_ So, what is in this new "critics review" markup form Google that isn't in hreview?
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KevinMarks_ Is it just the requirement to link to imdb or Wikipedia?
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KevinMarks_ https://developers.google.com/structured-data/critic-reviews
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ seems you can link to your own website too "URL to a page that unambiguously identified the author, e.g. the author's official website, a profile page, a Wikipedia article."
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wagle.io created /wagle.io (+248) "prompted by wagle https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-05/line/1438824637884" (view diff)
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wagle ummm.
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KartikPrabhu wagle: better to have a user page and add yourself to /irc-people
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wagle that started out as User:Wagle.io
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wagle.io moved /wagle.io to /User:Wagle.io "adhere to the namespace"
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wagle gah
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wagle now i read the warning about move's braindamage
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wagle move should be named symlink or something
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wagle how do you delete pages?
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wagle the following pages should be deleted: "User:Obloid.org", "Wagle.io", and "User:Wagle.io"..
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wagle s/"Wagle.io"/"wagle.io"/
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Loqi wagle meant to say: the following pages should be deleted: "User:Obloid.org", "wagle.io", and "User:Wagle.io"..
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wagle what i'm trying to do is to obliterate obloid.org and setup a wagle.io user
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wagle.io edited /IRC_People (-2) "change site name" (view diff)
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aaronpk somehow archive.org was able to archive a Buzz feed
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aaronpk s/feed/thread
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: somehow archive.org was able to archive a Buzz thread
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@kevinmarks Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/629080202375643136 (twitter.com/_/status/629127388065087488)
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@Sam1 RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629127436878389248)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629127532055408640)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629130454579433472)
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techlifeweb Been awhile since I've been around. Need to get caught up on the latest Indieweb.
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GWG Hello, techlifeweb
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techlifeweb hello GWG
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GWG What do you need to get caught up on?
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techlifeweb Probably just need to check out the wiki. I haven't paid much attention in the last few months so I figured I'd see what people are working on.
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@nitot RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629158228706856962)
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@kevinmarks @ilyasu there's http://slack.indiewebcamp.com/ if you have your own domain (twitter.com/_/status/629165289054167041)
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@veraofcanton RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629167357487915008)
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cweiske let's try slack image expansion: http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2015-08-06%20slackbot%20I%20hate%20you.png
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@LloydDavis RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629184137291763712)
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endi hey Brid.gy folks; is there a way to re-run responses? for example I have a post that got deleted and I reposted
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endi I re-posted and the new (previously failed) responses came through, but I was wondering if there were a way to get the old ones re-posted to my known post
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@tinokremer RT @kevinmarks: Not so much smash it apart as dismantle the Lego bricks and construct our own #indieweb double decker sofas https://t.co/2U… (twitter.com/_/status/629210258926383104)
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mapkyca endi: I've done it by looking at the source and target urls in the dump and then triggering the webmention via curl
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endi interesting. lets see if I can figure that out :p
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mapkyca Should be able to use curl -i -d "source=<source>&target=<target>" <your webmention endpoint>
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mapkyca bridgy logs what it sends, so the source and target for the pings *should* be fairly easy to find :)
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endi yeah i found that clicking on the time the response was sent
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endi ok so if I'm reading this correctly, source= brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/... & target= postURL
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endi and obviously webmention endpoint
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mapkyca Aye, that sounds right.
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endi zomg success!
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endi thanks mapkyca! :) lets see if I can figure out this karma thing..
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endi mapkyca+
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endi :-\ nope
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mapkyca I think it's ++ ;)
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mapkyca (and thanks / np ;) )
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endi mapkyca++
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Loqi mapkyca has 3 karma
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endi huzzah
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endi but seriously, thank you mapkyca. that worked wonderfully :)
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endi I like how the interactions from days ago are now from 10minutes ago :p
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adactio.com edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (+208) "Add Brighton to Homebrew Website Club" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (+52) "/* Homebrew Website Club Meetup */" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /Main_Page (+10) "/* Homebrew Website Club */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning indiewebcamp
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@nitot Get the scoop on what it means to be part of the @MyCozyCloud developer community! https://blog.cozycloud.cc/post/2015/08/04/Benjamin-Bouvier-creator-of-Kresus-app-interviewed #OwnYourData #DecentralizeTheNet (twitter.com/_/status/629297270060642304)
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@SergioLuque @indieweb Hello. I'm looking to contact you. Could you please send me you email in private ? Thank you in advance. (twitter.com/_/status/629298604927270913)
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GWG Morning, ben_thatmustbeme
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@SergioLuque Coucou. Petit test. #indieweb http://indiewebrecordings.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/629306147414110208)
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@SergioLuque Coucou. Petit test. #indieweb http://indiewebrecordings.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/629306187524218880)
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@SergioLuque Coucou. Petit test. #indieweb http://indiewebrecordings.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/629306220814430208)
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@Aodunaderasheed RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #DISPATCH TALES A collection of Poems on Pain Grief Agony Politics Death Hope Loss Dreams IndieAuth http://… (twitter.com/_/status/629307028146638849)
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aaronpk oh great
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GWG aaronpk: When did IndieAuth become a publishing term?
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GWG I can see Indieweb being applied to other things, but Indieauth?
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aaronpk short for indieauthor
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GWG aaronpk: That was what I was pondering
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aaronpk at first it started showing up here when people would RT tweets that were already close to the limit, so twitter would truncate "#IndieAuthor" to "#IndieAuth..."
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aaronpk but now it looks like people are using it as its own term
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aaronpk i'm confused about this indiewebrecordings thing tho
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GWG Feh
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aaronpk gonna have to add a bunch of terms to the blocklist
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GWG Which?
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GWG Pain and Grief?
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Zegnat aaronpk: you could also add "microformats.dk" to Loqi’s tweet blocklist if you haven’t done so yet. I think I pointed that out in #microformats a couple of days ago. Has had several false positives on that.
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aaronpk i think i did
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I'm going to reply to the indiewebrecordings guy with the web IRC link. He seems to run a blog with title "Indieweb" so could be about name clash/usage
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aaronpk ok. the @indieweb account is not us tho
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KartikPrabhu oh! haha
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Loqi hehe
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KartikPrabhu nevermind then
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KartikPrabhu seems like he wants their domain
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aaronpk probly
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LukasRos aaronpk: I used your cat for a webmention test, I hope she doesn’t mind :)
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aaronpk hehe
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LukasRos Is there a way to undo webmentions? I think it’s ping again and serve a 410?
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aaronpk she is probably asleep right now
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LukasRos Good!
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aaronpk yeah returning 410 should do it. tho i'm not sure ii'm actually handling that properly at the moment
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LukasRos I’ll let you know if it worked or not.
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i need to review all my code for that too
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ben_thatmustbeme as well as updates to comments and such
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voxpelli my endpoint support it for some cases, but not all :P
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amz3 héllo, is there any #indieweb application that use P2P?
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@kevinmarks Good news, Britons - you can now go to a Homebrew Website Club without taking the ferry to Göteborg https://adactio.com/journal/9350 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/629323259599675392)
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amz3 ah yes maybe since its *web* then there can not be p2p
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LukasRos Good kitty :) My webmention was deleted with a 410.
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LukasRos amz3: That always depends on your definition of P2P.
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amz3 I think about the distributed, serverless kind of P2P
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snarfed1 aww i miss p2p
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snarfed a number of people here host their web sites on physical servers in their homes, e.g. raspberry pis
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snarfed that's pretty close
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aaronpk well you can download a copy of the wiki using bittorrent sync http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup
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aaronpk but frankly that's more centralized than people hosting their own websites on their own servers, since btsync is proprietary and is a single network
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aaronpk so the p2p and client/server distinction ends up being not very useful in practice
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amz3 there is some instance of p2p in the indieweb movement
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aaronpk webmention is very much p2p, since there's no servers involved other than the two people communicating
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snarfed yup. decentralized vs federated vs centralized are meaningful, but beyond that it devolves into semantics fast
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amz3 a very long term goal, of mine is to build a blog over p2p kind of network. Now I undersand that indieweb has already most of the protocol already set
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aaronpk if you want to use p2p technology to "host" your website, as long as it's available via a URL, nobody else needs to worry about how you've implemented hosting of it
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snarfed endi: mapkyca: glad the bridgy replay worked! more details: https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls
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mapkyca snarfed: thanks for the link :)
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kylewm.com created /user-agent (+765) "prompted by voxpelli https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-05/line/1438800399146" (view diff)
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voxpelli Just realized that Jekyll without plugins can't do paging for categories – and my strategy for my blog kind of fell apart somewhat
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aaronpk aw
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voxpelli My plan had been to separate articles, bookmarks and pure social interactions from one another – put my list of social stuff will get pretty long eventually so either need to not just show old posts, which is bad for discovery, or have a loooong list
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snarfed voxpelli: you and rhiaro should talk :P she showed *all* of her posts ever on her front page until recently
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rhiaro Don't do it, everything breaks.
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aaronpk wow facebook has a notification "___ likes that you're going to ___" which is because someone liked my RSVP post
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snarfed why wow?
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aaronpk they've thought of everything
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rhiaro I stopped being able to log into stuff because endpoint discovery was timing out.
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snarfed eh no they overdo "everything is a post," to the detriment of their data model
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snarfed e.g. automatically creating implicit album posts when you post two separate pictures in a time window
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aaronpk ah yeah
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aaronpk this RSVP thing is good tho
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snarfed frustrates bridgy to no end
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aaronpk i'm going to have to add that to webmention
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snarfed agreed! the good outweighs the bad. i'm just bitter :P
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aaronpk s/ion/ion.io
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: i'm going to have to add that to webmention.io
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snarfed btw the fb hwc event looks ready to flood whenever clustering is pushed!
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aaronpk oboy
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aaronpk i'm so nervous
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snarfed eh don't be, just us chickens here
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gRegorLove bawk
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voxpelli rhiaro: snarfed: I guess my only option then is to either not list old items, so they won't be discoverable from my page anymore, or make a mixed archive with all of my content types together :/
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voxpelli not making things discoverable is much easier, but also feels kind of wrong – too wrong?
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aaronpk what's wrong with the combined archive?
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aaronpk i actively worked *towards* creating the combined archive
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/all
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aaronpk opens the list of issues on webmention.io
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aaronpk cries a little
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rhiaro I page by month now and don't display food posts in the main feed
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rhiaro I'm planning to have more options to display or not different types of posts
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rhiaro And have a less bloated version of my homepage as default
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wagle hey aaronpk, can I talk you into deleting User:Obloid.com, wagle.io, and User:wagle.io from the wiki?
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aaronpk sure, why?
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wagle i nuked obloid.org because some goof decided that it named a part of the female genitalia, and then i botched User:wagle.io by first making it wagle.io, then "move"ing it.. thought it best to start over from scratch
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aaronpk user:wagle.io looks fine
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aaronpk and /wagle.io is just a redirect which is fine
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aaronparecki.com deleted /User:Obloid.org "http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-06/line/1438880925448"
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wagle oki.. i thought i'd made a mess given the warning messages
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Jeena https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/629323259599675392 nice! Sadly I'm on vaccation next week so I guess there will not by any homebrew club in Gothenburg, but I'll be back in 2 weeks.
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@kevinmarks Good news, Britons - you can now go to a Homebrew Website Club without taking the ferry to Göteborg https://adactio.com/journal/9350 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/629323259599675392)
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wagle "move" should be renamed to "link"or something
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wagle i was thinking "git mv"
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aaronpk it's a pretty standard mediawiki thing
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wagle .. which doesnt help ignorant me.. I use gitit
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aaronpk it moves the page, then creates a redirect from the old name to the new name
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wagle sure, figured that you after the move
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wagle sure, figured that out after the move
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wagle /wagle.io is just clutter, but if you dont see problem with that, then ...
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aaronpk eh it's fine, i have http://indiewebcamp.com/aaronpk too
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Zegnat wagle: I have several user pages on the wiki, mostly because my URL kept throwing edge-cases. I just made every one of them a redirect and called it a day
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wagle i'm a neat freak on the computer.. make up for it at home
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@jkphl How nice is that”½ @adactio + @Lottejackson starting a Homebrew Website Club in #Brighton: https://adactio.com/journal/9350 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/629349453690966016)
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@pixelroiber #indieweb test http://pixelroiber.de/blog/13551 (twitter.com/_/status/629360719599927296)
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@timwoodsdesign #OwnYourData https://twitter.com/Covata/status/628932033482489856 (twitter.com/_/status/629369959458729985)
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KevinMarks__ hm, what happened there? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-06/line/1438881279396
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KevinMarks__ malformed webmention from Jeena?
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aaronpk no, bad irc log parsing
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aaronpk well this is interesting, now indieauth, webmention and micropub are referenced in an ietf draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dejong-decentralized-sharing-00
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wagle gz!
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@LukasRosenstock Just blogged: "Phone Numbers and the IndieWeb" - https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/60002190 (twitter.com/_/status/629387812404527104)
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@LukasRosenstock Just blogged: "IndieWebCamp Germany 2015" - https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/59421601 (twitter.com/_/status/629387821011210241)
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LukasRos Actually not just blogged, those are older posts, I updated something on the RSS feed which triggered Zapier …
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LukasRos adactio: I just tried sending a like-webmention to your site, it was displayed as a regular mention and not a like.
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LukasRos !tell adactio Can you check the webmention you received on https://adactio.com/journal/9350? It’s not displayed as like on your site but a regular comment; is there something I should add to my markup which you expect to be there?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG aaronpk: You know the author?
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LukasRos One of the authors is Michiel B. de Jong, as far as I know he’s involved with Unhosted and OwnCloud communities.
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LukasRos He was at IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf.
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GWG LukasRos: Interesting
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aaronpk yep! met him in Düsseldorf! he contributed a bunch to the private-webmention page on the wiki during IWC
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GWG has never been to Germany
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GWG Or met aaronpk in person, so he's one up in me in that regard
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GWG I have a vacation coming up on October 17th. Anyone planning an IWC? I have no plans to do anything and would like to.
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rhiaro Hey GWG.. there maaaay be one in Boston around then
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rhiaro Hopefully
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GWG rhiaro: Aroun?
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GWG I can't change it
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rhiaro I dunno when
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rhiaro checks what day that is
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GWG I just like the energy of it
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KevinMarks__ hm https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dejong-decentralized-sharing-00 links to /inde
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KevinMarks__ bad wrapping
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KevinMarks__ "But by "commenting" on a recipient's main identifying URL (home page), [webmention] could also be used to send a document that is not a comment on any existing document."
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KevinMarks__ is that how the indienews protocol is supposed to work?
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aaronpk yeah actually
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aaronpk and private messaging
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KevinMarks__ hm "The authors intend to research whether we could define a way to mark up change proposals in microformats, for Bob to post an updated version and notify Alice of this."
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aaronpk KevinMarks__: did you catch that he was at IWC Germany and I was talking with him a bunch about this private webmention thing?
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KevinMarks__ aha
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KevinMarks__ no, missed that. get him in here and ont he wiki
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Michielbdejong.com
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@kevinmarks @sillygwailo yes, there is a plaintext version which is just the tweets verbatim, and an html marked up one. eg http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.html (twitter.com/_/status/629410144422510592)
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@kevinmarks @sillygwailo here's the plaintext equivalent: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.txt (twitter.com/_/status/629410902907826176)
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KevinMarks__ hm, his domain isn't resolving for me
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aaronpk huh it was a second ago
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KevinMarks__ section 12.1 is way off in the weeds
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KevinMarks__ use html dammit
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aaronpk how does one go about publishing something on tools.ietf.org anyway
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aaronpk https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/ ?
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KevinMarks__ POSSE to IETF?
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KevinMarks__ is wondering about POSSE to buzzfeed
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@sillygwailo RT @kevinmarks: @sillygwailo here's the plaintext equivalent: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20150711.txt (twitter.com/_/status/629413750093713408)
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snarfed added a 200pt bounty to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31801856/facebook-api-replacement-for-me-home-to-get-users-news-feed
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