#indiewebcamp 2015-08-07

2015-08-07 UTC
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kylewm interesting, I just noticed that Instagram photos on Facebook have the permalink of the photo in the "Instagram" link at the top
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KevinMarks__ so you only get a "see original" link if you're owned by FB?
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@moellus ”žBridgy offers backfeed, POSSE, and webmention support as a service.“ https://www.brid.gy/about #bridgy #rtm (twitter.com/_/status/629466311672918017)
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acegiak1 morning all
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Loqi acegiak1: GWG left you a message 4 days, 5 hours ago: I'm having thoughts again. I need to be stopped. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-02/line/1438552691047
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GWG Morning, acegiak1
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GWG acegiak: How are the salmentions oing?
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KevinMarks__ js;omgwtf https://github.com/reddit/reddit-mobile/issues/247
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acegiak Man I really want a decentralised open source messaging app >.<
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 week, 4 days ago: Some of what I'm doing is up in the GIthub repo, if you want to look http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-26/line/1437958675599
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 4 days, 12 hours ago: I'm having thoughts again. I need to be stopped. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-02/line/1438552691047
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acegiak like, my indieweb experience is making me less tolerant of silos
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voxpelli acegiak: what kind of messaging app?
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davidpea.ch edited /scrobble (+255) "Add David Peach's example." (view diff)
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@stopsatgreen Experimenting with x-posting to Medium. https://medium.com/@stopsatgreen/exploring-url-discovery-with-the-physical-web-85f9be9e7246 following the POSSE model https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/629633630491553796)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Medium (+1087) "Add two more examples" (view diff)
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cweiske is bridgy already backfeeding medium per-paragraph comments as webmentions?
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[snarfed] cweiske: no, bridgy doesn't support medium yet
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[snarfed] i don't use medium, so it's not an itch for me personally, but feel free to file a feature request!
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@ChrisAldrich #IndieWeb I've always loved @huffduffer! @weegee asked a question that I've always struggled with. @schnarfed has .. http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/indieweb-ive-always-loved-huffduffer-weegee-asked-a-question-that (twitter.com/_/status/629670469617106944)
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aaronpk turning on clustered notifications in 3...
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aaronpk now we wait...
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M-kegan aaronpk, you do oauth2 stuff right?
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aaronpk yeah
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M-kegan I'm trying to come up with a decent interface for supporting arbitrary oauth2 endpoints
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aaronpk code interface?
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M-kegan based off my experience with indieauth and CAS (which is basically oauth2 afaik)
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M-kegan yeah code interface
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aaronpk you can kind of do that, but unfortunately oauth2 providers are sometimes quite different from each other. there isn't necessarily nearly as much in common between providers compared to oauth 1
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M-kegan I've got as far as specifying (asyncly if necessary as in the case with indieauth) endpoint/redirect URLs, and the concept of creating/storing/retrieving sessions for the query params
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aaronpk that seems like a good start
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M-kegan I was just going to have them return the query params they want to end up attaching, given providers can vary so much
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M-kegan but not sure if I can be any more helpful without getting in the way
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M-kegan I suppose I could ship with certain common impls like google/fb
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M-kegan which might be Good Enough
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aaronpk are you familiar with Ruby's OmniAuth?
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M-kegan I am not
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aaronpk probably worth checking it out, at least at the API level https://github.com/intridea/omniauth
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aaronpk they've done a good job of making a framework for interacting with OAuth providers
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[snarfed] yay congrats on clustering aaronpk!
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aaronpk crossing my fingers!
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M-kegan looks interesting, thanks aaronpk
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[snarfed] M-kegan also see https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins for precedent and ideas (it has a common API too)
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M-kegan excellent, that one looks nice, thanks
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aaronpk i fully expect there will be many bugs with the new notifications, so feel free to file issues with permalinks to problem notifications here! https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues
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[snarfed] testing lightly...
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aaronpk wow we get a lot of totally bogus pingback spam sent to the wiki
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KevinMarks__ this is interesting: http://www.daveliepmann.com/tufte-css/
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aaronpk so weird, just got a junk pingback from an alpha.app.net profile to a wiki page
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KevinMarks__ I think he overdoes the book fidelity in some ways; and reduces contrast slightly too much
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KevinMarks__ and just hiding the sidenotes when the measure is narrow instead of making them dynamic seems a bit off
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KevinMarks__ and his main column-width figure isn't
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KevinMarks__ and it uses a graph style Tufte explicitly rejects
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voxpelli M-kegan: another OmniAuth-like example if you want a reference: https://github.com/jaredhanson/passport-oauth2
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voxpelli (also made one myself many years ago for Drupal: https://www.drupal.org/project/oauthconnector )
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M-kegan voxpelli: that looks great, since I'm actually doing this in javascript as it turns out. Where does the "User" object come from?
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voxpelli M-kegan: Passport has some mechanism for implementations on top of something like the oauth2 one, like Facebook, to extract profile data into common profile data
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voxpelli M-kegan: that's actually the main challenge when doing authentication with OAuth that OAuth itself doesn't specify any authentication/profile-related stuff as OAuth in itself is just for authorization
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M-kegan hum.
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M-kegan wonders how much he should just defer to using something like passport so he can get on with other things
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M-kegan guess it will depend on what kind of hoops they make you jump through :D
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voxpelli M-kegan: I use passport for all of my authentication needs for the last few years
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voxpelli Got glennjones node.js microformat module working in React Native on iOS today – not sure what to do with it, but a fun experiment
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ben_thatmustbeme its been quite a quiet day
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ben_thatmustbeme summer lull?
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snarfed we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for the first clustered notifs
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KevinMarks__ sends fb invites
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aaronpk oh you know what I didn't do? the "and 4 others" bit
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aaronpk eh we'll see what happens
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aaronpk might hit the IRC limit
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snarfed oh you mean you didn't truncate *or* add the count? hoo boy fun
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aaronpk heh
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KevinMarks__ hm, no invites coming through?
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aaronpk i haven't seen any bridgy mentions yet
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snarfed feel free to hit the poll now button for whoever created the event
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aaronpk braces for impact
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snarfed aaronpk i assume no 5m extension yet, right?
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aaronpk correct
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aaronpk whatever it has at the end of 60 seconds from the first webmention will be sent
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snarfed sg
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aaronpk i'm actually thinking about slightly different logic anyway. something like it sends the first notification immediately, and if another one comes shortly after *then* it starts buffering them
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KevinMarks__ hm, dud kyle make it?
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aaronpk that way you don't lose the immediate notifications of comments when there's only one
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snarfed i thought you decided not to cluster comments at all?
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aaronpk oh yeah, the other stuff
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snarfed immediate notif for those seems useful, likes/reposts/rsvps less so
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KevinMarks__ looks like kylewm needs to reauth: https://www.brid.gy/facebook/12802152
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snarfed lol
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snarfed benwerd too
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aaronpk i suppose. anyway, we'll see how this feels and adjust accordingly.
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/facebook/36802236
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KevinMarks__ !tell kylewm you need to reauth with facebook so we get HWC pings https://www.brid.gy/facebook/12802152
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk apple just broke their store website
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aaronpk the page navigation doesn't actually take you to a new URL, so you can't navigate back to the page you were on once you're looking at a product
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aaronpk oboy. i am getting bridgy notifications from really old facebook posts
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snarfed1 yeah, expected. two new changes, one half baked
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk k cool
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snarfed1 https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/435 should be fully new responses (nested comments)
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snarfed1 https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/438 will be nice but isn't done yet
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KevinMarks__ randomly found http://plasticbag.org/archives/2007/08/why_i_require_you_to
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KevinMarks__ “I feel like my grandfather when I lurch into language like this, but in those days when people wanted to respond to someone else’s post, they wrote something on their own sites and stuck in a link. In many ways I think that we should have stuck with that way of handling communication through webloggia, that we should have dug around and find new ways to optimise that process ”
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ben_thatmustbeme phew, back... ubuntu switched to nouveau driver and that resulted in this really funny bug of whenver chrome tried to access hardware excellerationg, the GPU FREAKED OUT
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ben_thatmustbeme that was quite fun
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[aaronpk] And people wonder why I use a Mac
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[aaronpk] kevinmarks: that's awesome
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KartikPrabhu wants to retort with "and people wonder why I use Twitter instead of my managing my own site"
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gRegorLove "webloggia" haha
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rhiaro How is the HWC list of dates at the bottom of /next-hwc generated?
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rhiaro breaks all the rules and arranges HWC on a Thursday
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gRegorLove rhiaro: /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club has the HWC footer dates.
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@julien51 How to do more with RSS feeds http://stream.withknown.com/2015/how-to-do-more-with-rss-feeds #rss #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/629748837561802753)
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KevinMarks__ so, gillmor gang in 15 mins. Anythign I should mention?
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GWG KevinMarks__: Like what?
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KevinMarks__ indieweb related news, other neat tech things
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GWG KevinMarks__: I still am trying to find WordPress people interested in going Indieweb. I need people to reply and like.
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snarfed1 KevinMarks: feel free to mention the FB API slide. e.g. https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/ will probably die in october. background: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31801856
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KevinMarks__ just went live
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KevinMarks__ talking debates
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[aaronpk] hello%20world
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[aaronpk] hah that wasn't supposed to happen
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KevinMarks__ now talking facebook and video https://medium.com/@hankgreen/theft-lies-and-facebook-video-656b0ffed369
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[aaronpk] crossing my fingers...
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[aaronpk] so close
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[aaronpk] ...
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[aaronpk] one more time
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[aaronpk2] awesome, that worked!
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[aaronpk] so the web "beta" chat is more awesome now
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KevinMarks__ what changed?
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[Kevin_web] trying it now
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[aaronpk] I made it use the same slack gateway code, so it won't keep nicks stuck around, and acts less like IRC now
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KevinMarks__ ah neat
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KevinMarks__ so if I close the window kevin_web will go away
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[aaronpk] nope, it goes away after 10 minutes of it being idle
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[aaronpk] now it saves your nick in a cookie!
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shaners Hi all. Long time.
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GWG Hello, shaners.
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@dougmckown The only real solution is sharing as a open protocol — sharing:// #indieweb https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/629748704359002112 (twitter.com/_/status/629775235483607040)
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@dougmckown The only real solution is sharing as an open protocol. #indieweb https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/629748704359002112 (twitter.com/_/status/629775605140180993)
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snarfed hey shaners, how's homesteading?
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shaners snarfed: It's been backburned for a bit. Trying to ramp back up.
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snarfed got it
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@kevinmarks Hey @ow! I ❤ your post “The modern internet sucks: Bring back Geocities” http://tnw.to/a4kAA come join http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/629799757255290880)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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