#indiewebcamp 2015-08-08

2015-08-08 UTC
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KevinMarks_ The New York Times liveblogged last night's GOP debate directly from Slack - noterlive.com competitor? http://nzzl.us/mYh3e50 via @nuzzel
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colintedford_ Is the web "beta" chat mentioned earlier today different than the freenode one linked from /irc?
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gRegorLove Yeah, colintedford_
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gRegorLove "beta" lets you chat directly from the log page
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colintedford_ Ok, that's what I thought. First time on the web chat & was confused at the non-log experience :)
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colintedford_ How do I reach this magic land?
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colintedford_ Of "beta" chat?
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gRegorLove http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta
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[colintedford] gRegorLove++ thanks for the chat link
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Loqi gRegorLove has 30 karma
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[colintedford] Loqi?
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Loqi woot!
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[colintedford] Oh, hey
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[colintedford] aaronpk++ for /irc/today?beta
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Loqi aaronpk has 927 karma
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@coreymwamba #idea: Webmention + #FOAF in webpages = open notification for decentralised "social" network? https://github.com/converspace/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/629953740599070720)
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@CryptoMotion Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm (via @Pocket) (twitter.com/_/status/629987381106634752)
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Oliver__G HI, Kevin Marks pointed me here, I am not a techie ;)
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Oliver__G I tried to connect quill to blogger.com via silo.pub and got
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Oliver__G Type: ErrorException Code: 8 Message: Undefined index: me File: /web/sites/quill.p3k.io/controllers/auth.php Line: 163
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Oliver__G (and a longer error code to follow, need that, too?)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /HTTPS (+103) "/* Possible Future */ Let’s Encrypt updated launch schedule" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks @coreymwamba have a look at xfn as well as that is more widely deployed than foaf #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/630026911670931456)
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[snarfed] aaronpk ^^ quill bug?
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[aaronpk] Oh that's odd. Will take a look.
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@Nefariousity I love seeing the evolution of online privacy, keep fighting the good fight @EFF ! #OwnYourData https://twitter.com/EFF/status/630040782137749504 (twitter.com/_/status/630051225577345024)
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@coreymwamba @kevinmarks I'm probably definitely going to stick with foaf in RDFa - usage stats here: http://t.co/MPgKEDe3dT #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/630065933025968128)
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aaronpk hmm I was just able to sign in to quill using my blogger acct through silo.pub
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aaronpk I wonder what's different with Oliver's setup
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aaronpk the problem was somehow silo.pub didn't include the "me" parameter in the callback. (The Quill freakout about that was a bug, which I fixed, but now it will just say that error)
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[snarfed] hmm
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[snarfed] ooh that tweet points to http://webdatacommons.org/structureddata/which looks like an industrial strength version of <https://snarfed.org/indie-stats>
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[snarfed] we should get them to add mf2 stats!
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Loqi I agree
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voxpelli [snarfed]: built on http://commoncrawl.org/
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aaronpk they are looking for a bunch of mf1 already
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@kevinmarks @coreymwamba what we say in indieweb in general is 'use this, and get this benefit' - indiewebify.me is an example of that (twitter.com/_/status/630112328374054912)
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@coreymwamba @kevinmarks that's why I'm rolling my own. The Webmention spec is very clear, but it will take me some time; but it's very interesting (twitter.com/_/status/630112402000998404)
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@kevinmarks @coreymwamba webmention is a good example; the basic protocol is simple; parsing out mentions' meanings is incremental (twitter.com/_/status/630112609342132224)
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KevinMarks__ o_O https://twitter.com/t_s_institute/status/630112664493162496
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@t_s_institute @kevinmarks yes, that's true. But in an truly "independent web" a user's Taylor Swift shouldn't require a shim but an agnostic service. (twitter.com/_/status/630112664493162496)
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@coreymwamba @kevinmarks but that's what I mean: I have a profile: it's part of the indieweb. But I can't connect with you because of data format choice. (twitter.com/_/status/630113277679374336)
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@coreymwamba @kevinmarks if I don't use microformats, then indiewebify.me can't accept me. It's not agnostic. (twitter.com/_/status/630113976265916416)
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@kevinmarks @coreymwamba OK, I signed in as http://www.kevinmarks.com/ using IndieAuth's OpenID shim. Now what? (twitter.com/_/status/630116923573841920)
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@kevinmarks @coreymwamba also, if you're near Brighton, there's a Homebrew Website Club next wednesday http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/630122335291379712)
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Loqi [mention] Corey Mwamba liked #idea:
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KartikPrabhu loqi messages?
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[snarfed] huh. aaronpk is that a clustered mention?
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aaronpk oh dear
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aaronpk yes it is
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aaronpk oh weird, it just didn't get to IRC properly
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aaronpk here's the actual notification
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aaronpk https://webmention.io/notification/Wmb656jApNwxMTRif8j-BQ
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aaronpk bridgy feature request, don't include the "like-of" property on the links that are in the tweet?
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[snarfed] hmm. that's the whole point though, right?
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aaronpk no, he liked kevin's tweet, not the links in it
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aaronpk bridgy should include those links on the page, but not with the "like-of" property
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aaronpk the notification text there is interpreting the mf2 correctly, that the post is a like of the IRC URL
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aaronpk without the "like-of" property, it would say "Corey liked a post that linked to ____"
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[snarfed] right, this is that long lived question about distinguishing silo posse posts from mere mention posts
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aaronpk not really
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aaronpk it's just an mf2 thing
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[snarfed] we came up with heuristics but nothing decisive
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aaronpk i don't think it's specific to twitter at all
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[snarfed] oh no i don't either
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aaronpk it just becomes way more clear when you see it written as notification text
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[snarfed] i understand your use case and the problem. the difficulty for us is that this could be a posse post where that link is the original
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aaronpk oh right jeez
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[snarfed] barring u-syndication, I'm not sure we have a good way to distinguish programmatically
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[snarfed] :P
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aaronpk well, the link isn't at the end of the tweet, that's a pretty clear indicator
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aaronpk i suppose i could live with the false positives like if kevin had included that IRC link at the end
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[snarfed] yeah that's one heuristic. we're currently more promiscuous than that
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[snarfed] product decisions
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aaronpk which he did here lol https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/630122335291379712
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@kevinmarks @coreymwamba also, if you're near Brighton, there's a Homebrew Website Club next wednesday http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/630122335291379712)
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[snarfed] heh
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[snarfed] the issue has good discussion and links, I'll find it
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
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aaronpk seems like everyone is agreeing that matching on the author's domain is a good idea
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[snarfed] that does sound possible
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[snarfed] just fyi though I kinda intentionally chose to make it this aggressive to get the widest compat and interop. i get all the counterarguments and counter use cases, but i haven't quite been convinced to reign it in just yet
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[snarfed] definitely glad for the ongoing discussion though!
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aaronpk I think the notifications might be the thing that does it
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aaronpk cause we're basically going to see a bunch of notifications of people liking wiki pages in here now, and i'm guessing it will confuse quite a few people
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aaronpk but time will tell
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[snarfed] could be yeah
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[snarfed] I'm still not sure we have a solid solution though
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[snarfed] eg websites in twitter profiles are common, but a bit less so on fb, and way less on Instagram
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aaronpk hm yeah
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aaronpk maybe a good starting point would be only treating links at the end as the original URL
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[snarfed] maybe
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aaronpk i mean i can't think of any bad things that would happen with that
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[snarfed] damn i wish we had actual data :P
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aaronpk data on?
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[snarfed] frequency of all of these things
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[snarfed] as opposed to anecdotal educated guesses
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aaronpk you could start tracking it, right?
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aaronpk analyzing and logging everything that bridgy sees?
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[snarfed] it's pretty much all stored permanently, so yeah, i could crunch numbers
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aaronpk wha? I thought bridgy didn't store anything!
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[snarfed] but man. my kingdom for indie-stats!
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[snarfed] it definitely does
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[snarfed] only public stuff, but yeah, all of it
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aaronpk oh wow, I had no idea.I thought that's why it fetches the silo post on each pageload
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[snarfed] some of that is to honor if it's been updated or deleted
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@literature_dp Indie Web Movement and IndieAuth http://dragplus.com/post/id/31545317 (twitter.com/_/status/630145261025820672)
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@xml_dp Indie Web Movement and IndieAuth http://dragplus.com/post/id/31545317 (twitter.com/_/status/630145263533989889)
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snarfed let's see. total storage size right now is ~9G
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk adds "dragplus.com" to the block list
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snarfed for ~2k users and ~1.8M responses
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aaronpk we should definitely have a 2 million responses party
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snarfed lol
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snarfed even better, for 1M webmentions
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snarfed over 200k now
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aaronpk nice!
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snarfed (all tracked at https://www.brid.gy/#stats)
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[snarfed] iirc your Flickr app's numbers are even more impressive though!
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aaronpk just passed 2 million imported! 2,128,366 now!
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snarfed damn!
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Loqi lolz
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GWG Afternoon
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