#indiewebcamp 2015-08-09

2015-08-09 UTC
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Loqi [mention] ken liked http://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/l7jvdXzeKkP8Y_y_fGjn0g
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Loqi [mention] Corey Mwamba liked an event: Homebrew
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@kevinmarks Site deaths happen to journalists as well as readers and individuals http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://twitter.com/Awl/status/630382052957900800 (twitter.com/_/status/630385822127120384)
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Loqi [mention] Steve Parry liked http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://webmention.io/notification/7x16OS46vJOGemx-mweisg
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Loqi [mention] Stevia Badger liked http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://webmention.io/notification/t9dKJoYLloTyNSpSwCCEeA
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@csarven @coreymwamba Have a look at http://csarven.ca/webmention #Webmention handling. #RDF #microformats are both welcome. Use the property param! (twitter.com/_/status/630394109363126273)
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Loqi [mention] andi galpern liked http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://webmention.io/notification/96M9B9bLtahDXRg_gPnkqw
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@kevinmarks @Malarkey @adactio @t @suda it's still in widespread use, so are p-category or u-category. See u-tag-of for people http://indiewebcamp.com/tag (twitter.com/_/status/630401007286005760)
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KevinMarks__ hm, bridgy, I suspect those likes aren't transitive, and they're liking to awl article
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snarfed KevinMarks__: bridgy is actually unchanged; it's actually the notif text that changed, due to https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/39
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snarfed aaronpk and i discussed the issue yesterday, http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-08#t1439070567506 and then http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-08#t1439071051374 and on
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voxpelli snarfed: there was discussion quite a while back to for users to be able to tell bridgy that they are using u-syndication on all posse-posts and thus making it possible for bridgy to exclude all non-syndicated links
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voxpelli was anything done in that regard?
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snarfed right! it's still an open issue, and it hasn't been implemented
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KevinMarks__ so this is the classic brid.gy thing of knowing when I'm posseing and when I'm citing
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snarfed it would be nice, but only a small minority of users would enable it, and i expect those users aren't the "problematic" ones here
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snarfed KevinMarks__: yup. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
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KevinMarks__ and it over-catching POSSE for me because of my eccentric habits
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snarfed another possible heuristic is only handling links from the user's domain
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KevinMarks__ (as in posting things that are 'these 2 links belong together' )
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snarfed as discussed yesterday, most twitter people have their web site in their profile, but not quite as many fb users, and way fewer instagram users
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KevinMarks__ user's domain or rel-me cluster
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snarfed so we have a few kinda ok heuristics but honestly nothing great
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voxpelli snarfed: why would it be a minority of users? all users who use Bridgy also Posse-stuff, right? and all who Posse should use u-syndication, no?
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KevinMarks__ but domain is probably OK
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snarfed voxpelli: oh hell no, u-syndication is a minority outside of known
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voxpelli snarfed: well, that should change then :/
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snarfed majority for those of us active here, but we're the minority of bridgy users
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KevinMarks__ I link-slap my old posts a lot too, so I have a lot of non-POSSE examples
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snarfed voxpelli: sure! but i intentionally chose to make bridgy very aggressive and compatible with low tech, low indiemark kind of users
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voxpelli and bridgy would be a good encouragement – without u-syndication there's no way to know if a Posse-item is a duplicate of an original indieweb-item or if its unique content
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snarfed right. i'm not quite willing to break bridgy for most users just to encourage u-synd adoption though
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KevinMarks__ OTOH the 'tweet this many times with different headlines/extracts' thing is common too
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voxpelli snarfed: I would think of such an option as an opt-in one for now then?
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snarfed voxpelli: sure! but my point is that wouldn't fix the difficulty with notifications here, at least for most of them, so it wouldn't really do much for us
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voxpelli it would fix KevinMarks problem, and a similar problem I've had, and it would make it possible to suggest it as a solution for others who may want to try to find a solution themselves as well
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snarfed true!
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voxpelli adding u-syndication should be simple for most platforms
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snarfed of course. regardless, the majority won't.
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rhiaro I manual posse so don't have u-syndication
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voxpelli rhiaro: you can manually add u-syndication, right?
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rhiaro been meaning to deal with this for a while, but not sure how
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snarfed voxpelli: but you're right, that feature will help you and KevinMarks. separate from notifications here, but yes
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rhiaro I'd need to write some more code to make it straightforward
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snarfed rhiaro: you can't author arbitrary html in your posts?
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voxpelli snarfed: those specific notifications were caused by kevinMarks though, right? :P
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snarfed i do a lot of indieweb/mf2 stuff manually per post
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snarfed "manual until it hurts"
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snarfed voxpelli: oh i don't know. maybe!
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KevinMarks__ I manual posse form kevinmarks.com, and auto-posse from known.kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks__ but also send native tweets a fair bit; i should use known for that more maybe
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snarfed KevinMarks is definitely prolific, but not enough to be the majority of all notifs here :P
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snarfed aha, found voxpelli's issue, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/241
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voxpelli snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 126 karma
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rhiaro I post via Quill using markdown and a bunch of metadata in frontmatter-type block. To update a post I replace the whole lot, plus the slug of the original, in Quill. It's a hack, and it's a pain - if I forget to copy the post text to the clipboard, I have to retype it to update. There's no way I'm doing it for every post I syndicate. Especially as I often do this on mobile.
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voxpelli I only have automatic u-syndication through OwnYourGram right now – as one kind of gets it for free there – not sure how to make it work with a POSSE-flow instead of PESOS – would probably require a subsequent Micropub-update call
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voxpelli (and that's because I'm on Jekyll so my posts aren't available immediately after creation, but only after GitHub Pages having rebuilt my page, which will take an increasingly longer time)
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@nhoizey @emmanuelc remplacé par Webmentions ! (twitter.com/_/status/630407686400507904)
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@LukasRosenstock "Ad tech is killing the online experience": http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/19/ad-tech-online-experience-facebook-apple-news?CMP=indieweb&utm_content=bufferc7dcc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Web page bloat hurts the mobile web and drives users to native apps. (twitter.com/_/status/630419527415762945)
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LukasRos Hm … wondering which keyword triggered Loqi to show that tweet in this channel.
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Loqi :)
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LukasRos Ah … CMP=indieweb … but no idea where that came from.
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Loqi [mention] Ryan Barrett liked http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://webmention.io/notification/9CjDxIN9eboBJ2Hzck7cJQ
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Loqi [mention] Ace Howard liked http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://webmention.io/notification/F38yYketxxIBB8rsAOefjw
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller http://indiewebcamp.com https://webmention.io/notification/aWWuZv5xiI77KCFYRi-9SQ
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aaronpk man i really screwed up the notification text
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aaronpk that should have said "linked to" or "posted an article that linked to"
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@GlennF @lepas This is the motivation for Indieweb and self-hosted stuff. (But then hosts can be asses, too.) (twitter.com/_/status/630460528289157120)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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KevinMarks Is this something that we can make indieweb work with? http://thisismyjam.tumblr.com/post/126260430022/jam-preserves
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aaronpk what do you mean "work with"?
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KevinMarks Well, it's a kind of post that is close to a fee of ours
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KevinMarks s/fee/few/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: Well, it's a kind of post that is close to a few of ours
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KevinMarks So work out what a good mapping is, and how to import their archives
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KevinMarks Or send them a pull req to mark their archives up that way
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KevinMarks It's a bit like the "I like this podcast episode" stuff benwerd is talking about
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KevinMarks Maybe refractor their front end to post with micropub if they open source that bit
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aaronpk i wonder what it'd take to get them to add mf2 markup to the archives when they export everything
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Jeena Huston we have a problem! https://github.com/G5/microformats2/issues/31#issuecomment-128828460 says that the ruby microformats parser doesn't have a maintainer anymore.
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Jeena Sadly I don't feel that I would be able to take over something big like this because of lack of time.
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aaronpk we could fork it to the indieweb org and see if it's possible to maintain it as a community