#indiewebcamp 2015-08-09

2015-08-09 UTC
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Loqi
[mention] Corey Mwamba liked an event: Homebrew
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@csarven
@coreymwamba Have a look at http://csarven.ca/webmention #Webmention handling. #RDF #microformats are both welcome. Use the property param!
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@kevinmarks
@Malarkey @adactio @t @suda it's still in widespread use, so are p-category or u-category. See u-tag-of for people http://indiewebcamp.com/tag
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KevinMarks__
hm, bridgy, I suspect those likes aren't transitive, and they're liking to awl article
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snarfed
KevinMarks__: bridgy is actually unchanged; it's actually the notif text that changed, due to https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/39
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voxpelli
snarfed: there was discussion quite a while back to for users to be able to tell bridgy that they are using u-syndication on all posse-posts and thus making it possible for bridgy to exclude all non-syndicated links
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voxpelli
was anything done in that regard?
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snarfed
right! it's still an open issue, and it hasn't been implemented
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KevinMarks__
so this is the classic brid.gy thing of knowing when I'm posseing and when I'm citing
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snarfed
it would be nice, but only a small minority of users would enable it, and i expect those users aren't the "problematic" ones here
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KevinMarks__
and it over-catching POSSE for me because of my eccentric habits
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snarfed
another possible heuristic is only handling links from the user's domain
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KevinMarks__
(as in posting things that are 'these 2 links belong together' )
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snarfed
as discussed yesterday, most twitter people have their web site in their profile, but not quite as many fb users, and way fewer instagram users
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KevinMarks__
user's domain or rel-me cluster
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snarfed
so we have a few kinda ok heuristics but honestly nothing great
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voxpelli
snarfed: why would it be a minority of users? all users who use Bridgy also Posse-stuff, right? and all who Posse should use u-syndication, no?
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KevinMarks__
but domain is probably OK
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snarfed
voxpelli: oh hell no, u-syndication is a minority outside of known
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voxpelli
snarfed: well, that should change then :/
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snarfed
majority for those of us active here, but we're the minority of bridgy users
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KevinMarks__
I link-slap my old posts a lot too, so I have a lot of non-POSSE examples
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snarfed
voxpelli: sure! but i intentionally chose to make bridgy very aggressive and compatible with low tech, low indiemark kind of users
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voxpelli
and bridgy would be a good encouragement – without u-syndication there's no way to know if a Posse-item is a duplicate of an original indieweb-item or if its unique content
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snarfed
right. i'm not quite willing to break bridgy for most users just to encourage u-synd adoption though
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KevinMarks__
OTOH the 'tweet this many times with different headlines/extracts' thing is common too
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voxpelli
snarfed: I would think of such an option as an opt-in one for now then?
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snarfed
voxpelli: sure! but my point is that wouldn't fix the difficulty with notifications here, at least for most of them, so it wouldn't really do much for us
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voxpelli
it would fix KevinMarks problem, and a similar problem I've had, and it would make it possible to suggest it as a solution for others who may want to try to find a solution themselves as well
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voxpelli
adding u-syndication should be simple for most platforms
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snarfed
of course. regardless, the majority won't.
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rhiaro
I manual posse so don't have u-syndication
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voxpelli
rhiaro: you can manually add u-syndication, right?
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rhiaro
been meaning to deal with this for a while, but not sure how
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snarfed
voxpelli: but you're right, that feature will help you and KevinMarks. separate from notifications here, but yes
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rhiaro
I'd need to write some more code to make it straightforward
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snarfed
rhiaro: you can't author arbitrary html in your posts?
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voxpelli
snarfed: those specific notifications were caused by kevinMarks though, right? :P
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snarfed
i do a lot of indieweb/mf2 stuff manually per post
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snarfed
"manual until it hurts"
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snarfed
voxpelli: oh i don't know. maybe!
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KevinMarks__
I manual posse form kevinmarks.com, and auto-posse from known.kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks__
but also send native tweets a fair bit; i should use known for that more maybe
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snarfed
KevinMarks is definitely prolific, but not enough to be the majority of all notifs here :P
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voxpelli
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 126 karma
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rhiaro
I post via Quill using markdown and a bunch of metadata in frontmatter-type block. To update a post I replace the whole lot, plus the slug of the original, in Quill. It's a hack, and it's a pain - if I forget to copy the post text to the clipboard, I have to retype it to update. There's no way I'm doing it for every post I syndicate. Especially as I often do this on mobile.
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voxpelli
I only have automatic u-syndication through OwnYourGram right now – as one kind of gets it for free there – not sure how to make it work with a POSSE-flow instead of PESOS – would probably require a subsequent Micropub-update call
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voxpelli
(and that's because I'm on Jekyll so my posts aren't available immediately after creation, but only after GitHub Pages having rebuilt my page, which will take an increasingly longer time)
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@nhoizey
@emmanuelc remplacé par Webmentions !
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LukasRos
Hm … wondering which keyword triggered Loqi to show that tweet in this channel.
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LukasRos
Ah … CMP=indieweb … but no idea where that came from.
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aaronpk
man i really screwed up the notification text
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aaronpk
that should have said "linked to" or "posted an article that linked to"
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@GlennF
@lepas This is the motivation for Indieweb and self-hosted stuff. (But then hosts can be asses, too.)
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi messages?
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KevinMarks
Is this something that we can make indieweb work with? http://thisismyjam.tumblr.com/post/126260430022/jam-preserves
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aaronpk
what do you mean "work with"?
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KevinMarks
Well, it's a kind of post that is close to a fee of ours
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KevinMarks
s/fee/few/
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Loqi
KevinMarks meant to say: Well, it's a kind of post that is close to a few of ours
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KevinMarks
So work out what a good mapping is, and how to import their archives
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KevinMarks
Or send them a pull req to mark their archives up that way
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KevinMarks
It's a bit like the "I like this podcast episode" stuff benwerd is talking about
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KevinMarks
Maybe refractor their front end to post with micropub if they open source that bit
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aaronpk
i wonder what it'd take to get them to add mf2 markup to the archives when they export everything
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Jeena
Huston we have a problem! https://github.com/G5/microformats2/issues/31#issuecomment-128828460 says that the ruby microformats parser doesn't have a maintainer anymore.
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Jeena
Sadly I don't feel that I would be able to take over something big like this because of lack of time.
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aaronpk
we could fork it to the indieweb org and see if it's possible to maintain it as a community