#indiewebcamp 2015-08-10

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@CaptainKurtis
@dosch I concur. @withknown is a great #indieweb tool! Also, I absolutely love the work you do at the Guardian Project, @n8fr8! Thank you!!
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tantek
good Sunday evening #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi
tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: intersting that Feedly does not pick up XML for your title when it is empty, but picks it up when not empty! :P http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-01/line/1438457451261
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Loqi
tantek: aaronpk left you a message on 8/1 at 10:49pm: I hope you can fill this out a little! https://indiewebcamp.com/text-first_design http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-01/line/1438494578079
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tantek
refreshed his Bridgy FB token / login so he could use it to RSVP to FB again :)
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tantek
aaronpk++ for starting text-first design
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Loqi
aaronpk has 928 karma
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tantek.com
edited /text-first_design (+44) "add examples, like design with text only equivalents"
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tantek
time to test out that fancy new Bridgy/IRC mention clustering code
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tantek
waits for the Bridgy invitation flood or clustering
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tantek
And wow both Brighton and Edinburgh doing HWC this week! Great!
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tantek
adactio++
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tantek
rhiaro++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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tantek
!tell aaronpk,bret,dietrich are you able to host Homebrew Website Club this week in PDX? Can you edit and add the Portland location here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell Jeena are you able to host HWC in Göteborg again this week? Could you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (+105) "/* RSVP */ link to SF indie event, POSSE copy"
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@gavinb
@mrowe Well I reconfigured my OpenID setup to use https://indieauth.com instead. It works - up to the very last step. :/ Signature fail.
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@a_simpson
@callumflack Siteleaf is great! WP just gave me more space to hack on every aspect of the blog (e.g. Indieweb, SMS to post), and try WP API.
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GWG
Morning
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cdevroe
Good morning.
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Loqi
cdevroe: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 7/22 at 11:28am: have to make a hfeed2atom proxy for aaronpk to use first :) On the list for tonight http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-22/line/1437589737192
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pfefferle
good morning
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GWG
pfefferle, long time no see. How was your holiday?
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GWG
Morning, cdevroe
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pfefferle
GWG nice, thanks for asking ;)
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GWG
pfefferle: Nice to have you back. I am sure I will be submitting things to you again soon
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pfefferle
GWG thanks, good to be back. I am curious…
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GWG
pfefferle: About?
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pfefferle
GWG about the submits ;)
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GWG
I am thinking of taking on a project to retrieve avatars based on URL and hcard. I have wobbled on the idea
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GWG
Stalled on a Post Kinds update due the fact I only have use of one hand due injury
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GWG
Also have unit tests and fixes for Micropub to get to.
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pfefferle
GWG perhaps it helps
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GWG
pfefferle: It won't let me pull it in a browser. I'm on my phone so can't download easily to look
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GWG
pfefferle, if I do write something, I might try to have Semantic Linkbacks support it.
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GWG
Since I can't type much, I've been thinking about design.
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pfefferle
GWG what have you done? get well soon!
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GWG
pfefferle: Hurt my right arm. Can't type much. Using my left only.
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GWG
pfefferle: As for design, I want all the avatar functions in WordPress to work with just a URL.
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gregorlove.com
edited /site-deaths (+572) "/* Upcoming */ This Is My Jam"
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gregorlove.com
edited /site-deaths (+0) "/* Upcoming */"
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KevinMarks__
gRegorLove: I was pondering thisismyjam yesterday - could we take on that functionality? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-09/line/1439149630807
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@LanceCoyote
It’s a good thing nobody reads my blog so I can test wacky stuff without worrying about readers getting server errors #IndieWeb
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gRegorLove
KevinMarks: Cool. there's a couple examples of POSSEing to thisismyjam on /jam
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tantek
sad to hear about thisismyjam going readonly but at least it will keep links working that way
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tantek
in other silo issues news, Vimeo is being really dumb about DMCA takedowns of indie content that happens to have the word "Pixels" in the title (and predates the silly movie) https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-hits-indie-creators-for-using-the-word-pixels-150808/
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tantek
what is Vimeo?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Vimeo" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1017
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tantek
Vimeo is a [[video]] hosting [[silo]] and recently started errantly removing independent content that happened to mention "Pixels" - https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-hits-indie-creators-for-using-the-word-pixels-150808/
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loqi.me
created /Vimeo (+256) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-10/line/1439224170626 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
wow: re: proprietary API maintenance tax: "Over the last year, changes to those [proprietary API] services have meant instead of working on Jam features, 100% of our time’s been spent updating years-old code libraries and hacking around deprecations just to keep the lights on. The trend is accelerating with more breaking/shutting off each month, soon exceeding our capacity to fix it. "
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aaronpk
wow nice
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 31 minutes ago: are you able to host Homebrew Website Club this week in PDX? Can you edit and add the Portland location here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-09/line/1439186890180
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aaronpk
wow that's bad that they're taking down videos just based on the title!
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aaronpk
youtube does this crazy thing where they scan the audio for matches of copyrighted music, and at least they don't take down the video, they just put ads over it
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aaronpk
i just had to file a dispute though because they matched a song that wasn't in the video at all
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tantek
did you forward to chillingeffects.org ?
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aaronpk
heh I didn't know about that
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aaronpk
wow this is bad. they give the claimant 30 days to respond, which means the ad will continue to appear for the next 30 days, and it is also blocked in germany
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aaronpk
ironically a google search for the allegedly infringing song turns up a youtube video which is *only that song* and obviously actually infringing
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aaronpk
oh actually i think they removed the restriction and ad
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Zegnat
The whole YouTube contentid thing is really bad, especially because it is a "service" by YouTube and not actual DMCA filings. Which means filing false notices can not backfire
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow, thats rediculous. maybe they should make a movie and call it "The" and just DMCA takedown notice *** whole internet
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Loqi
dmca has -1 karma
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Loqi
dmca has -8 karma
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tantek
dmca--
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Loqi
dmca has -9 karma
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KevinMarks__
aaronpk did you read Hank's piece about how facebook is worse than youtube, partly because it doesn't have contentid?
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aaronpk
nope. worse in what way?
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aaronpk
oh I did read that
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gRegorLove
Loqi, what is -1 - 1?
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snarfed
i think that's actually true in javascript
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@zeynep
Brinks added a "smart" function to its perfectly fine safe, and as a result it can now be hacked and emptied with no trace. 5/n
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tantek
What is Brinks?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Brinks" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1018
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aaronpk
some things should just not be smart
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks__: very interesting read
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tantek
most things shouldn't be
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aaronpk
this "5/n" thing is an interesting behavior
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aaronpk
i haven't seen it with "n" before
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tantek
I have too - but none of the specific syntaxes have caught on
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tantek
everyone does their own variant - too divergent currently
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tantek
it'll be interesting to see if it converges
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KevinMarks__
I've seen that pattern when people aren't sure how many are coming
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KevinMarks__
which is better than 7/5
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tantek
hahah
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tantek
also - that entire thread remindes of the modern BSG.
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tantek
s/remindes/reminds me
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: also - that entire thread reminds me of the modern BSG.
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tantek
KevinMarks: that 1/n type pattern can work well when the 2..n/n follow-ups are all in-reply-to the previous in the set
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KevinMarks__
yes, you have to remember to reply to yourself
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tantek
KevinMarks, like here's a real world example of doing so (without the explicit 1/n text) https://twitter.com/t/status/365536079136690176
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@t
Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk & @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4)
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tantek
each of those tweets was a single slide in a presentation, and that thread shows the whole thing
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tantek
KevinMarks: have you considered such a feature for noterlive, which could automatically reply-to-self if the subject and speaker was the same as the previous tweet?
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KevinMarks__
oh, interesting
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tantek
that way you could see all the things a person said in a burst as a single thread.
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tantek
and 100% automated
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KevinMarks__
I have thought about a noterlive variant for making tweetstorms
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tantek
same #-tag and same speaker @-name as prev tweet = reply to prev tweet
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tantek
no UI changes needed
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KevinMarks__
I don't capture the tweet id's at the moment
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tantek
right, but you could
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tantek
and cache the previous data
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KevinMarks__
yes, then I could add syndciation links ot the generated html as well.
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tantek
hmm - did we get venues for Portland or Göteborg HWC this week yet?
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tantek
currently not announcing them at this morning's 11am Moz weekly public meeting because we lack confirmed venues: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek
rhiaro: do you want me to announce the Edinburgh HWC at Moz's public meeting? we'd have to add it here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2015-08-10#Thursday.2C_13_August
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tantek
(like in the next 30 minutes)
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KevinMarks__
I think Jeena said no Göteborg this week
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rhiaro
Uh, can do if you think that's useful
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rhiaro
I was planning to keep it small and informal
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tantek
rhiaro: small and informal is a good idea for the first one
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tantek
then do a blog post about it
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tantek
and let's announce the next one on Moz too then
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KevinMarks__
I can get Andrew to flyer it for you… it's been working for his play
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: logs messed up medium URL due to the @ ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-10#t1439226503731
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rhiaro
I can't sneak too many people into my office
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aaronpk
yeah i gotta fix that regex
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rhiaro
And no other venues due to the festival
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tantek
aaronpk - is there a hack night confirmed for HWC this week in PDX?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: woo fixed
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KartikPrabhu
that was quick
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aaronpk
tantek: thinking about a coffee shop in a different part of town this week for HWC
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tantek
ok you have about 10 min to update the wiki, and if you want, update the entry here on WikiMo: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2015-08-10#Wednesday.2C_12_August (Portland and Göteborg are currently commented out there due to no venue being posted on the IWC wiki)
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tantek
aaronpk: btw - if you don't have a WikiMo account yet - account creation may be delayed/throttled due to spam blocking - I can watch for the IWC edit and update wikimo
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tantek
in the next 7 minutes
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aaronpk
i don't have a wikimo account
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tantek
thanks!
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tantek
when was the last time anyone heard from Jeena?
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tantek
!seen Jenna
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tantek
!seen Jeena
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tantek
huh - thought that was a Loqi command. maybe I'm thinking of a different bot.
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Loqi
woot!
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aaronpk
hmm bridgy seems to not be finding any post links from my site anymore
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tantek.com
edited /Loqi (+172) "!seen"
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KevinMarks__
he's in Poland
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aaronpk
he was on irc yesterday i tink
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aaronparecki.com
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KartikPrabhu
where is KartikPrabhu?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: note that is in the "ideas" section :)
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tantek
I wonder if that should have some sort of time-out - like if the information is a bit old (weeks?)
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aaronpk
oh it could include the date
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KartikPrabhu
yes just blind testing :P
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tantek
and time
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aaronparecki.com
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snarfed
aaronpk: interesting. it's finding a few of your fb and ig posts, https://www.brid.gy/facebook/11500459 and https://www.brid.gy/instagram/aaronpk , but not twitter https://www.brid.gy/twitter/aaronpk
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aaronpk
has the way it discovers the u-syndication links changed?
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joskar
tantek: Jeena was online yesterday (about 30 hrs ago). But I can confirm that there is no HWC in Göteborg this week, as I would be the only participant from the last time there. (which has led me on to other plans this week)
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snarfed
aaronpk: no
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snarfed
maybe look at your poll logs, follow previous poll links until you find one that fetches your h-feed, look at what it did
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tantek
joskar: thanks for the update! any chance of planning a venue for Göteborg HWC for 2015-08-26? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Where
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aaronpk
hm it seems it stopped finding my instagram URLs too
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aaronpk
looks like it might be having issues with my SSL cert
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aaronpk
"SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed"
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aaronpk
doesn't tell me why it failed tho
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aaronpk
any changes to appengine's SSL handling?
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aaronpk
my certificate expires next month... /me goes and makes a note in his calendar
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joskar
tantek: I'm not that good at planning ahead :P But I'm pretty certain that Jeena will be back before then (at least that's what he said at the last HWC)
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snarfed
not that i know of
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tantek
!tell Jeena any chance of planning a venue for Göteborg HWC for 2015-08-26? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
hm, well how can i tell bridgy to use the http version of my site then? my twitter profile already links to http so i'm not actually sure where it got https from
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snarfed
aaronpk: good q! tied up right now but i can look later
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aaronpk
oh actually, looks like something did change: "InsecureRequestWarning: Unverified HTTPS request is being made. Adding certificate verification is strongly advised." from the last successful bridgy log
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snarfed
ah interesting. that's probably been there for a while
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aaronpk
i can't tell from the logs at what point it decided to stop checking my home page though
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snarfed
i may have inadvertently upgraded a dependency, i'll investigate
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aaronpk
the lines where it didn't discover any links don't have a permalink to the log file
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snarfed
aaronpk: looking at those logs, it's using http://aaronparecki.com/replies , and the permalinks there are indeed https
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snarfed
unintentional?
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aaronpk
oh! funny...
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aaronpk
you have two feeds for me though right? my home page and replies?
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snarfed
it discovers feeds dynamically each time
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snarfed
so i'd go by what the log says
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snarfed
looks like it uses / and /replies
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aaronpk
i can't tell how to find that in the logs. the latest twitter poll at the very bottom says "skipping refetch h-feed" so I don't know where else to go from there
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aaronpk
the rest of https://www.brid.gy/twitter/aaronpk doesn't link to any logs since all the "recent responses" have no post links found
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snarfed
oh, sorry, i was just looking at the very top, the two "rel-feed" lines
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snarfed
ah yeah ignore response logs, those are just for sending webmentions
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snarfed
the poll logs are all that matter here
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aaronpk
you're talking about the thing where I click "polled 3 minutes ago"?
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aaronpk
yeah that one says "skipping refetch h-feed"
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snarfed
so let's see. it definitely sees everything on /replies. those will probably work if you switch the permalinks to http
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snarfed
(or show the syndication links in the feed, but up to you of course)
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aaronpk
i still don't see where you're seeing this in the logs
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snarfed
same log you sent me. it sees every permalink on /replies, tries to fetch them, and ssl fails
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aaronpk
huh, now i have no idea how i got to that one, cause it's not the one linked from the last poll
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snarfed
you probably clicked the "Last poll" link at the top, like i mentioned
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snarfed
we poll every ~15m but only fetch h-feeds every ~2h
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snarfed
looks like the same thing with the permalinks on /. it's seeing them and trying to fetch them, but they're all ssl too
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aaronpk
oh, so sometimes the last poll won't include the h-feed fetch info?
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snarfed
yes. it only logs what it does in that poll
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aaronpk
gotcha
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aaronpk
k, i'll fix it to point to the non-https links. but that didn't change on my end recently
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snarfed
interesting, ok
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aaronpk
k, "last-hfeed-fetch: 2015-08-10 18:16:08" means it will try again at 20:16?
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[snarfed]
roughly yes. "poll now" anytime after that should work
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aaronpk
can't wait to get my webmentions back :)
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tantek
in reviewing the conversation about Bridgy being liberal about sending backfeed webmentions - Intuitively I keep leaning more and more toward snarfed's reasoning and choices.
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tantek
Two reasons I can think of so far - it's a great way to bootstrap people onto handling backfeeds, by getting more of them (than they otherwise might), they feel more engaged more quickly
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tantek
(that was one)
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tantek
Secondly, if/when anyone gets to the point where "hey I'm getting too many false positives" - that's good incentive for them to start developing their own more precise backfeed implementation for their site / software / project
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tantek
independent of Bridgy that is
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tantek
It's good to keep up that kind of pressure to get off of a centralized bootstrapping proxy service
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aaronpk
interesting point :)
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tantek
snarfed: If I can help with adding either / both of those points as comments any of the Bridgy issues you mentioned, let me know which issues # s, and I'll gladly do so.
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tantek
snarfed++ for very well designed Bridgy default behaviors that are both welcoming and provide good incentives
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Loqi
snarfed has 127 karma
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tantek
snarfed's going to need an 8th bit soon ;)
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aaronpk
gives Loqi an extra bit for snarfed
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Loqi
eats the extra bit for snarfed
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tantek
see that's why we can't have nice things
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Loqi
snarfed has 128 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
just because extra bits
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tantek
bits++
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Loqi
bits has 1 karma
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Loqi
bits has 6 karma
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aaronpk
don't make me block that
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snarfed
aww thanks tantek!
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snarfed
apart from irc, that discussion has been mostly on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 and wiki pages linked there
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snarfed
feel free to add whatever you want!
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aaronpk
woohoo bridgy found my posts!
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snarfed
yay! glad to hear it
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Loqi
yay!
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aaronpk
it might be time to work on my own backfeed implementation for p3k, but there are so many things I need to do before that
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snarfed
aaronpk: if you're interested, an intermediate approach could be to run your own bridgy instance and make tweaks you want like narrowing OPD to just posts with syndication links, or just from your domain, etc
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snarfed
for just you, or even say 2-100 users, it'd easily fit in app engine's free tier
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aaronpk
that would involve me learning python tho...
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snarfed
eh for small tweaks, not necessarily
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snarfed
i've hacked on wmio without really learning ruby, and written a bunch of wp php without learning php
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aaronpk
i dunno, making those changes to the visual presentation of bridgy permalinks was hard enough for me :P
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snarfed
"programming via stack overflow"
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snarfed
fair enough
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ben_thatmustbeme
its the newer design paradigm
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (-348) "No NYC nor Göteborg this week"
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aaronpk
what is google?
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Loqi
Google is primarily used for searching the open web, but also hosts a number of content silos: https://indiewebcamp.com/Google
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aaronpk
what is Alphabet?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Alphabet" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1019
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aaronpk
Alphabet is /Google
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loqi.me
created /Alphabet (+19) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-10/line/1439241107308 and dfn added by aaronpk"
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gRegorLove
Google owns the alphabet now??
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tantek
gRegorLove: no no, Google is making up their own Alphabet.
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tantek
not a big surprise really, coming from a company that saw fit to give Volcanos faxnumbers
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sensiblemn
it wasn't enuf for them to be in a long term relationship by the full spectrum of visible light (Prism), now they are also getting together with all the important characters of every language (Alphabet).
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KevinMarks__
I think rhiaro should install a fax on Arthur's seat and mark it up with schema
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rhiaro
KevinMarks__: this has been discussed
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rhiaro
I was going to fax a volcano in Portland, which aaronpk would set up
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aaronpk
has access to a volcano
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gRegorLove
Sesame Street: Brought to you by the letter—DMCA TAKEDOWN FROM ALPHABET, INC.
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tantek
aaronpk: please use your volcano responsibility, you know, with great power...
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tantek
gRegorLove++
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aaronpk
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gRegorLove has 31 karma
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Loqi
gRegorLove has 32 karma
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tantek
so who's going to 1-up them with Asciibet? https://twitter.com/t/status/284115387476504577
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@t
FYI printable asciibet: !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ (ttk.me t4Mf2)
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gRegorLove
Omegabet
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rhiaro
Friend-Of-A-Volcano network
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tantek
rhiaro: more like VOAV
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ben_thatmustbeme
google alphabet, because we own your language too
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: you should tweet that if you have not already
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gRegorLove
Just did :D
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tantek
The real reason Google renamed itself to Alphabet: to sort before Apple and Amazon.
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tantek
looks like first implicitly pointed out by https://twitter.com/twdonovan/status/630846381616431104
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@twdonovan
Alphabet, Apple, Amazon... Facebook should just change their name to "Aaaaa"
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@levnaginsky
@rabois Alphabet shows up in the phone book ahead of Amazon and Apple…
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tantek
uh oh, another ind(.ie) vs indieweb confusion
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aaronpk
wonder if they're going to stop calling the first version "alpha" because of the association with google :P
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tantek
so this is like the worst time to do a press release if you're not Google
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gRegorLove
Aaaaa would be appropriate for FB, since I make that sound there often.
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aaronpk
timing press releases is always hard
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tantek
it's not that hard
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tantek
what is Waystone?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Waystone" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101A
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KevinMarks__
this alphabet thing is a big FU to paul graham?
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KevinMarks__
they don't have alphabet.com and graham wrote http://paulgraham.com/name.html
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tantek
why all the new weird TLDs are fairly ignorable: " The problem with not having the .com of your name is that it signals weakness."
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tantek
"Unless you're so big that your reputation precedes you, a marginal domain suggests you're a marginal company."
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aaronpk
think they can take it over via trademark law?
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sensiblemn
aaronpk: that'd be crazy if it worked that way.
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aaronpk
I agree
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KevinMarks__
abc.wtf now links to bing
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tantek
sensiblemn: that appears to be what's happening with "Pixels" DMCA takedowns on /Vimeo
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tantek
crazy and working that way
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@cjwl
"Alphabet" comes before "Amazon" and "Apple" in any sort of alphabetic listing, obvious win here people.
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sensiblemn
tantek: wow
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KevinMarks__
that's how Adobe got it's name
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KevinMarks__
'must sort before apple'
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tantek
how about "Abode" for a startup that helps people make homepages on the web?
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KartikPrabhu
lol. Google/Alphabet got the domain www.abc.xyz
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: why the www. ?
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KartikPrabhu
i think it looks funnier with the abc and xyz ;)
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tantek
hahaha the "more" link on abc.xyz is js;dr :P
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@caro
Gmail to be renamed AlphaMail #heyooooooooooo
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aaronpk
ex-googler
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KevinMarks__
I miss caroline's journalism
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ttepasse_
Tantek, do read the more and then click on the dot behind "drone delivery effort"
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Loqi
ttepasse_: tantek left you a message on 6/8 at 5:02pm: still trying to understand what you *do* want users to do, rather than *do not*. E.g. do you want users to link to your posts? If so, do you have preferred link text you'd like them to use? Are you ok with short quotations but not long? Etc. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433808123111
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ttepasse_
Tantek, re Loqis question: I'll have to think about that. But it's nighttime here.
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edited /Google (+61) "for more Google products/services see the list on WP\"
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amiiiboh
plucks the rubber bands holding freenode together
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tantek
points out he was mentioning alpha and beta in the same tweet before this whole renaming thing happened: https://twitter.com/t/status/627446365543616512
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@t
Seeing tweets re #foocamp “alphas”. Alpha enough to #ownyourdata? Or just Betas to Silos? Makers, make thy #indieweb. (ttk.me t4cU3)
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aaronpk
adds a new notification text to the list "___ favorited your retweet"
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tantek
aaronpk: re: notfiications, BTW I realized something - Instagram does not actually support the silo version of SWAT0, because you see no notifications for "someone commmented on a photo you're in"
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tantek
or say, "someone liked a photo you're tagged in"
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tantek
alright, since alphabet is the word of the day
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tantek
and we shouldn't cede that to Google so easily
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@t
Push notifications are an anathema to long form writing. Key: “Turn Wi-Fi Off” and a CMS that can run locally offline. (ttk.me t4cb1)
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tantek
and related to that, a session at IWC Cambridge: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/thoughtpost
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gRegorLove
On PC I've used WriteMonkey (writemonkey.com) to draft longer posts. It has a full-screen, no interruptions mode. Also has optional typewriter sound effects if you're into that (I am).
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gRegorLove
There was some Mac software I saw years ago that did similar, and inspired me to look for a PC alternative.
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tantek
alright let's start a page on ideas/tips for this as it was definitely a well discussed topic, with lots of different approaches
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tantek
what is writing?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "writing" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101C
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rhiaro
I am too drained to dig up links right now, but there will be a ton of stuff via nanowrimo
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gRegorLove
I think the Mac software -- which is now also on PC and iPad -- was http://www.ommwriter.com/
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tantek
writing is the act of creating, adding & editing content for, and updating a primarily text post such as a [[note]] or especially an [[article]]. The challenges of how to best write and post were most recently discussed at an [[IndieWebCamp]] in [[2015/Cambridge|Cambridge in 2015]] in the session [[2015/Cambridge/thoughtpost|Thought Draft Post]].
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edited /writing (+1357) "expand, subsections, examples"
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tantek
s/fee;/feel
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: gRegorLove: feel free to expand: https://indiewebcamp.com/writing#Gregor_Morrill
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tantek
what is WriteMonkey?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "WriteMonkey" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101D
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tantek
what is nanowrimo?
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Loqi
National Novel Writing Month (typically shortened NaNoWriMo) is a challenge to write a 50,000-word novel in the month of November https://indiewebcamp.com/NaNoWriMo
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tantek
what is 100words?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "100words" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101E
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edited /writing (+16) "/* See Also */ NaNoWriMo"
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moved /Alphabet to /Alphabet_Inc. "use actual corporate name, so we can make alphabet generic"
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deleted /Alphabet "deleting the capitalized form to prefer lowercase"
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edited /contact (+5) "since the singular is more like a verb and for having a "contact" page"
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GWG
I go away for a few hours and Google changes its name
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tantek
GWG how I feel about last week
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GWG
tantek: What did you miss? I thought it was a pretty slow week.
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