#indiewebcamp 2015-08-12

2015-08-12 UTC
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snarfed sooo….i have code up and running that scrapes m.facebook.com with a session cookie and converts it to atom
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snarfed looks great in my feed reader, and includes way more posts than the API ever did
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snarfed this may be the future of facebook-atom
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snarfed not sure if i should be proud or ashamed :(
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/facebook-atom/blob/cookie/cookie.py
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sparverius someone should be ashamed
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sparverius just not you
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snarfed heh
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/facebook_cookie_feed.png
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kylewm snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 131 karma
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kylewm sparverius++
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kylewm i need to borrow that session cookie thing from you instead of storing instagram user credentials
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@number5 @AmberTaipei @vn801188 @eyayo @hirakujira go the hard way, self hosted #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/631292440536723457)
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Loqi [mention] Ricky Holtz and Ali Razfar were invited to https://webmention.io/notification/tQFwjcaoG-naAaz6gXzWQA
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Loqi [mention] Sayantan Mukhopadhyay was invited to https://webmention.io/notification/ZXyJ9dMOruDkihRxjvt4Ug
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@krisshaffer RT @CateBlouke: Another thing to ask @krisshaffer about - POSSE - Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #… (twitter.com/_/status/631317016620630016)
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snarfed falling further down the facebook rabbit hole
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snarfed i'm consistently seeing post urls that work on m.facebook.com but not www
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snarfed e.g. https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10101426057700859&id=12802152 vs https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10101426057700859&id=12802152
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[snarfed] kylewm: where do you store instagram creds? red wind? woodwind?
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@benborges_ loving how my site brings back social interactions to my post https://1-m.cc/2015/ferguson-and-beyond-how-a-new-civil-rights-movement-began#comments #indieweb @brenboo1 @LilyPurple311 @TotalPolicing (twitter.com/_/status/631417908367912960)
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@paulrobertlloyd Webmentions: (after much gnashing of teeth and hair pulling) they just work. https://twitter.com/paulrobertlloyd/status/631438646260989952/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/631438646260989952)
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@paulrobertlloyd @timprint I basically pinched everything @jgarber coded! See: https://github.com/jgarber623/webmention.sixtwothree.org and https://github.com/jgarber623/sixtwothree.org (twitter.com/_/status/631439778421059584)
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@ThatEmil Emil Thinks About Webmentions, part 93: when should I trigger one? Every time I save a post? Manually? Only on creation, for simplicity? (twitter.com/_/status/631440875697119232)
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@LanceCoyote How many #IndieWeb sites are properly sending webmentions for deleted posts? How many sites are receiving them properly? (twitter.com/_/status/631446521133686789)
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tommorris.org edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* Brighton */ +me" (view diff)
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tommorris is now in Brighton for HWC
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tommorris had an altercation with a ticket machine at Victoria and need painkillers but otherwise good.
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tommorris alas, won't be able to finish the front end this afternoon. I have data and I have sketches and notes. time to go for a walk.
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@Le__Greg se tâte pour tester l'#indieweb. Des pistes, @RikMende @benborges_ ? (twitter.com/_/status/631459873897738240)
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@RikMende @Le__Greg Essaye @withknown ou si @WordPress te parle plus, ya le plugin "IndieWeb" qui va t'installer tout le pack par défaut. (twitter.com/_/status/631460229838938112)
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@dissolve333 @elloworld any chance of supporting @withknown or other indieWeb Tech? (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/8/12/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/631479746962927617)
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ben_thatmustbeme pokes the silos
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aaronpk you might need to demonstrate a reason they should
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aaronpk like show them an indieweb comment thread so they can see what it would do if they were to support it
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ben_thatmustbeme goes to look for a good url to show
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LanceyWork i thought ello was dead
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ben_thatmustbeme and going completely federated would be a great way for them to pivot
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe get people interested in them again
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ben_thatmustbeme if i could find a google+ dev i'd tell them the same
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:indiewebcamp-2015-pdx-day1.jpg]]""
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:indiewebcamp-2015-pdx-day2.jpg]]""
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (+89) "/* Photos */ add photos" (view diff)
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@dissolve333 @dissolve333 @elloworld for example, look at http://werd.io/2015/two-years-of-being-on-the-indieweb comments and likes from around the web (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/8/12/3/) (twitter.com/_/status/631484266270986240)
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, bridgy automatically adds the @user i am replying to now?
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aaronpk oh did bridgy do that?
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ben_thatmustbeme i didn't
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, this is funny
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ben_thatmustbeme https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
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Loqi rofl
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[snarfed] for publishing twitter replies? it always has. twitter requires it.
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aaronpk you can reply to your own tweets without including your twitter username tho
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[snarfed] true, special case
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk lets you do stuff like this https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/630865236203941892
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petermolnar "aralbalkan.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 12/08/15 00:59. The current time is 12/08/15 16:19. "
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@aaronpk A is for Alphabet, B is for Blogger, C is for Chrome... I see where you're going with this. (twitter.com/_/status/630865236203941892)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: A is for android more likely
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aaronpk it was alphabet day tho
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petermolnar A is for all-the-world
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ben_thatmustbeme otherwise its recursive
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ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar: thats the funnty part. it looks like FF doesn't even let you even go to a site with expired cert
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petermolnar I'm currently looking how to bypass it...
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aaronpk oh wow chrome blocks it too
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petermolnar meh, wget --no-check-certificate
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aaronpk i think maybe because it uses HSTS
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ben_thatmustbeme https://twitter.com/elloworld/status/631485706884349952
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@elloworld @dissolve333 Interesting. Sharing with the team right now. (twitter.com/_/status/631485706884349952)
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aaronpk nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme :D
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ben_thatmustbeme crosses fingers
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (+18) (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme https://twitter.com/elloworld/status/631489883379347456
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@elloworld @dissolve333 Talked to the devs and it's on the roadmap. Appreciate the thought. (twitter.com/_/status/631489883379347456)
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ben_thatmustbeme !!!!!
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aaronpk whoa!
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petermolnar \o/
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aaronpk you should offer to help answer questions and invite them to IRC (or slack!)
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Loqi +1
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@herrnst @mehrunfertiges blabla old stuff indieweb test (twitter.com/_/status/631490973332336646)
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@dissolve333 @elloworld If they have any questions, I and others are available on freenode IRC. #indiewebcamp (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/8/12/4/) (twitter.com/_/status/631491091536031744)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 109 karma
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning tantek
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tommorris Lurking with intent outside Clearleft.
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tantek oh yeah! HWC Brighton is on soon right?
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tommorris tantek: not sure. adactio - 17:30 start or 18:30?
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adactio 18:30
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Loqi adactio: LukasRos left you a message on 8/6 at 1:33pm: Can you check the webmention you received on https://adactio.com/journal/9350? It’s not displayed as like on your site but a regular comment; is there something I should add to my markup which you expect to be there? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-06/line/1438893221038
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tommorris excellent. having a swift G&T in the Hop Poles = good decision
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adactio tommorris: myself and Charlotte will be downstairs at Middle Street from 6pm.
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aaronpk aww wish I was there to hang out with you all!
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tommorris today, I've mostly been thinking about location stuff, and building the back-end for doing geonames lookups. then sketching possible front-ends for it and typing out ideas of how it could work
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tommorris I've been looking a lot at how Twitter does location sharing. when you share your location on Twitter, it is vague by default - city level. but you can tick to enable sharing of exact locations
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tommorris seems like that's the right divide - vague location is city or large town (30-50,000+ people) - exact location is street/venue level
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tantek good defaults with location stuff seems super important
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tommorris well, twitter's defaults are sensible because twitter is mostly public web while swarm is private.
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aaronpk tommorris: i'm curious how often you've wanted to actually "check in" to a vague location like a city
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tommorris aaronpk: not so much check in, but annotating that you are in a specific place
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aaronpk i've only encountered a couple cases when I want to do that, mostly when traveling and I land at an airport, I want to say "hey i'm in this city!"
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tommorris the distinction I've come up with is between "dateline" (e.g. this post was made when in New York) and "checkin" (I'm at this bar, and the gin is awesome!!)
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@jkphl wished he could be over in #Brighton now and join @adactio, @Lottejackson, @glennjones & all the others @ HWC. Have fun! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/631506861083201536)
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tommorris and the former should be vague by default, while the latter only really works if it is specific
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aaronpk yeah, I like when my posts and photos and things include the location, but I often want that location to be just the city
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tommorris in terms of posting UI, the distinction becomes one of "add location" vs. "checkin"
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tommorris so, my solution on the dateline stuff is to use geonames to find the nearest city. just need to run a bunch of tests to decide what feature types should match on
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk I use this for mine http://geocode.arcgis.com/arcgis/rest/services/World/GeocodeServer/reverseGeocode?location=-122.6433%2C+45.5118&outSR=4326&f=json
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tommorris I ended up writing most of the RDF juggling code for it this morning. (and, yes, RDF.)
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aaronpk oy
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tommorris Geonames' RDF stuff isn't rate-limited like the XML/JSON endpoints are
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tommorris so I use the JSON endpoints for search, then switch to using the RDF endpoints because I can GET them without having to burn up rate-limit credits
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tantek that's, ironic
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aaronpk lol
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tommorris refers back to that Rorty quote about not caring what brand of duct tape one uses to keep the philosophical plumbing working.
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tantek tommorris: maybe you can talk KevinMarks into hosting an RDF endpoint -> JSON transformer on unmung ;)
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tommorris well, JSON-LD is a thing.
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tantek tommorris: hah, yeah. on that note. ;)
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adactio.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+122) "/* Getting Started or Restarting */" (view diff)
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tantek Woot!
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Loqi giggles
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KevinMarks_ For a particular RDF subset that works (rss 1.0)
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tantek is really glad he just went ahead and wikified /alphabet on Monday from off the top of his head without thinking too much about it.
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tantek In another example of perfect (or just "better") is the enemy of good, or something, I'm *still* rewriting it as a blog post. Hopefully it will have been worth the wait.
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KevinMarks_ Ben, there is some ello support in Unmung but I wasn't interested enough to keep it up
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KevinMarks_ As their api didn't have permalinks
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tantek did we take bets already on Ello shutdown dates? Like mid 2016?
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tantek They've started plastering various construction walls in SF with giant black & white posters with their logo and something about f*** ads on social networks.
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aaronpk whoa
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tantek I'm wondering if someone is going to just cross out the "ads on" portion :P
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aaronpk http://thomashawk.com/2015/07/ads-on-social-networks-suck-ello-co-san-francisco-ca.html
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tantek yes that's it
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tantek and yeah, drop the "Ads on"
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aaronpk heh
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tantek also really bad line-breaking on that copy
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tantek makes it read as two statements "Ads on Social" and "Networks Suck."
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tantek and wow - that's not "street art" WTF.
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tantek interesting that ThomasHawk cites their "big" photo posts support
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tantek whoa - try https://ello.co/thomashawk on a cinema display full screen
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aaronpk lol sidebar "beautiful and ad-free" with a sign-up form for ello... that looks like an ad to me
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tantek aaronpk: self-ads aren't ads, they're marketing ;)
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tantek I think "ad" implies being paid to show it
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aaronpk true haha
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tantek like being paid *by someone else*
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tantek I have a feeling Thomas's praise of Ello is somewhat a result of Flickr screwing up their web UI with so much JS sluggishness.
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tantek also to be fair, that thomashawk profile on ello loads WITHOUT JS and fairly quickly. scrolls fine too despite large images etc.
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tantek looks like just the comments don't work without JS
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tantek hmm looks like Andy abandoned his account: https://ello.co/waxpancake - also the text fails to responsively resize on a fully zoomed cinema display window - which I'm thinking it should to be consistent with the wide photos.
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tantek what is Ello?
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Loqi Ello is microblogging silo similar to Twitter or Tumblr for posting short status update notes and pictures https://indiewebcamp.com/Ello
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aaronpk Andy wasn't exactly pro-ello https://ello.co/waxpancake/post/oy73kFfDdhOPh8Jv9z9pFA
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tantek sure I remember. I was just looking for an example profile that was mostly text to analyze what they did with their design in that case
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tantek resizing text, and mixing text + photo posts is hard
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tantek s/resizing/responsively resising
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Loqi tantek meant to say: responsively resising text, and mixing text + photo posts is hard
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tantek s/resising/resizing
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Loqi tantek meant to say: s/resizing/responsively resizing
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tantek c'mon Loqi you can be smarter than that
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tommorris adactio just starting HWC Brighton, showing how he's using pulling in Twitter card metadata from links he adds to adactio.com/links
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tantek he's reading the og: tw: metacrap?
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tantek for /link-preview functionality?
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tommorris the twitter stuff to get representative images
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GWG sighs
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tommorris e.g. the link here - https://adactio.com/links/9375
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tommorris next up paulrobertlloyd.com talking about what he did since IWC Brighton
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tommorris (I'm currently temporarily hard of hearing, so I might not be the most reliable of scribes)
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tantek GWG why sighs? Weren't you doing the same thing with FB og: metas?
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tommorris Paul's added webmentions. :)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi giggles
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GWG If every site had Microformats, I'd gladly support them
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GWG I need a fallback
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tantek GWG - that's not a workable methodology
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tantek the "if every site" reasoning
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tantek the right thing to do is to support the open standard, and then backfill with fallbacks secondarily only as needed.
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tantek not saying not to, just do so *in addition*
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tantek paulrobertlloyd++
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Loqi paulrobertlloyd has 2 karma
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tommorris now charlotte's demoing - lottejackson.com
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GWG tantek: I actually have been working on adding parsing support to my Post Kinds plugin, but recebt events have brought me to a crawl.
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LanceyWork the best part of indieweb is you can choose what standards to support
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LanceyWork if you don't like ogl or twitter cards, you don't really have to use them
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tommorris john-ellison.com - also an IWC Brighton attendee - set up a blog using ghost, and then setup a Known-based blog called 90days
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tommorris (can't quite hear people at the moment.)
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tommorris benjamin.parry.is - also IWC Brighton attendee - added some microformats and tried to implement webmentions, wants to finish webmentions and add PESOS to Twitter
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tommorris POSSE not PESOS
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tantek here here
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tantek.com edited /Ello (+938) "Prominent Accounts, s/Praise/Design, add Large Photo Display" (view diff)
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tommorris http://purkiss.com/ - using Drupal, been working on adding ARIA and (...can't quite hear...)
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GWG I am feeling like I need to refine my approach
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tommorris Glenn, blog in Node - wants to mess around with menus.
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tommorris Al - using Middleman, Ruby static site generator.
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tommorris then me. :)
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LanceyWork tommorris++
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adactio.com edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (+171) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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@jkphl @ThatEmil W/o knowing what system you use, I suggest there should be a very decided "publish now!" step. That's where I'd send webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/631527596912705536)
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@cleverdevil @VoxPelli hey, using your Editorial workflows for IndieAuth and Micropub, how do I get an IndieAuth token? Newbie :) Using @withknown. (twitter.com/_/status/631533716477640704)
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tantek we have a lot of Cs
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Ello (-331) "Remove cartoon" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /YASNS (+335) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /YASNS (+318) "Add cartoon, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /YASNS (+19) "antipatterns" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /antipatterns (+28) "/* See also */ YASNS" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Ello (+256) "/* Ugly Permalink URLs */ add my response" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: numbers-only somehow seems less sketch
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KartikPrabhu also twitter is mainly notes so no title to generate slug, ello has articles where by a readable slug can be generated from title instead of an opaque hex code
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I'm not sure that would help
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tantek slugs shouldn't be used for permalink identity anyway :P
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tantek the way to avoid the database-id-as-hex-or-alpha gibberish is to use date-time based ids
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KartikPrabhu <shrug> I find a readable slug URL more memorable
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Ello (+262) "/* Indieweb Support */ add link to newest discussion" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu rather than dates. I never remember date/time for a post I read
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tantek the point is not memorability, but rather visual appeal
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ben_thatmustbeme i think the changing case is the only part that doesn't look good to people
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tantek the theory being that URLs that look more sketchy tend to not get clicked as much
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KartikPrabhu slugs do look nice ;)
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tantek I think the only exception is for *short* uses of such gibberish, e.g. link shorteners
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tantek KartikPrabhu: exactly, permalinks should have slugs, but the slugs themselves should not affect the resolution of the URL
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KartikPrabhu possibly
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tantek KartikPrabhu: reasoning here http://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design#Topic
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ben_thatmustbeme slugs are really for SEO (at least originally)
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KartikPrabhu I have read that, but still use slugs on my site. no trouble so far. Will reconsider if I do run into something
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gRegorLove Same here, KartikPrabhu
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gRegorLove If a slug gets truncated in an email, I plan to have my 404 page perform a search and suggest possible matches.
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tantek seems fragile
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tantek however, worth documenting as an alternative approach
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tantek anytime we're trying multiple approaches, we should documen that, with reasons for each and methods
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gRegorLove I've yet to hear of people having a hard time clicking a link to my site somewhere and ending up at a 404.
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tantek KartikPrabhu, gRegorLove could you add that perspective/examples to http://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design#Topic
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ben_thatmustbeme all that really is needed in my urls in the numbers /2014/12/30/1
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ben_thatmustbeme the slug is all optional, it will redirect to the correct url
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aaronpk what is your plan if you want to change the text of the slug?
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aaronpk oops
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: right, same here
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "your plan if you want to change the text of the slug" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101J
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ben_thatmustbeme actually if you change the post type it will redirect correctly too
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gRegorLove 1) It's quite rare that I change slugs 2) ProcessWire performs 301 redirects
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snarfed aaronpk: if you do that, you need to handle redirecting the old slug anyway…so it kinda seems equivalent
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gRegorLove I debated including day and ordinal number in my URLs, but ultimately I didn't want more than YYYY/MM/
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snarfed fwiw i've used short slugs and no dates in my non blog post urls forever, and i've always been happy with it
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/notaposttype/2015/8/12/4/asdfasdf
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snarfed e.g. https://snarfed.org/books
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aaronpk the way i handle it is the slug is just informative, so /2015/08/01/1/whatever will always redirect to the current slug
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ben_thatmustbeme so post type is actually just informative as well
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Do you use rel=canonical on those pages?
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snarfed i guess i don't mind having dates in my blog post urls, but i care more about showing the date on the page itself, so i'd probably be just as happy w/no dates in blog post urls either
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aaronpk on what pages?
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gRegorLove Just a sec. Let me try an actual URL
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/08/10/5/foo 301 -> http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/08/10/5/abc
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gRegorLove Ah, nevermind. I was wondering, for example, if http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/08/10/5/abcdef would just show the proper note, but it redirects.
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gRegorLove Cool.
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@voxpelli @LanceCoyote My https://webmention.herokuapp.com handles it at least somewhat, see tracking bug: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/5 :) (twitter.com/_/status/631544653133815808)
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gRegorLove I like that method. Only reason I'm not using it is because I decided to only have the year and month in my URL hierarchy.
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aaronpk honestly I prefer the way yyyy/mm/slug looks for blog posts, that was always my preferred setting for wordpress installs
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tantek aaronpk, I know what you mean, and that's why I prefer yyyy/ddd/
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tantek I figure the /t1/ or /b1/ is fairly innocuous after that
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gRegorLove tantek: Document on /URL_design#Topic or /permalinks#Indieweb_Practices ?
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tantek good q
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gRegorLove s/Practices/Examples/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: tantek: Document on /URL_design#Topic or /permalinks#Indieweb_Examples ?
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gRegorLove Fixing that link on the wiki...
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gregorlove.com edited /URL_design (-1) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ fix anchor link" (view diff)
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tantek both?
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tantek their focus is different I think
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gregorlove.com edited /permalink (+215) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +me" (view diff)
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tantek we have a lot of Is also
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snarfed remind me of wiki etiquette. if i want to put alternatives/counterarguments into a page like /URL_design, do i do it inline next to what i'm disagreeing with? in a separate section? …?
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tantek snarfed, I think closest to the specific point of difference helps to show which parts have more diverse opinions/approaches, rather than parts that are generally agreed upon.
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gRegorLove snarfed: I was just working on that.
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snarfed sgtm
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snarfed ah ok gRegorLove i'll wait
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gRegorLove I was adding a bullet "Some have chosen to make the slug required:" and sub bullets for individuals' reasoning. Not sure if that's best.
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snarfed sgtm
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snarfed the individual points in http://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design#Brainstorming should also be merged in
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gregorlove.com edited /URL_design (+407) "/* Topic */ +alternative" (view diff)
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gRegorLove snarfed: Done updating /URL_design#Topic
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gRegorLove !tell KartikPrabhu Can you document your reasoning for your slug usage on /URL_design#Topic?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@voxpelli @cleverdevil An alternative would be to do it using eg. CURL on the CLI and do the two needed requests according to: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol (twitter.com/_/status/631549168742465536)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/move () "moved [[thisismyjam]] to [[This Is My Jam]] over redirect: use full name" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+94) "subheads, link full name of This Is My Jam." (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /URL_design (+459) "/* Why not content type first */ Move my comments to specific section" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /URL_design () "(-740) /* {{benthatmustbeme}} */ reorganize to section based not name based" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631552062845652992)
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@jgmac1106 Hey #digped a relevant article shared from one of the #indieweb folks who build all the toys we are talking about. https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/631552062845652992 (twitter.com/_/status/631552618674974720)
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snarfed.org edited /URL_design (+925) "counterargument for using dates" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /HSTS (+73) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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@JamesGleick RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631556033417244672)
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@MW_2112 RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631557080038535169)
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@Christian_Meier RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631557467974074368)
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@nothingsmonstrd RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631557510818865153)
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@6bq9music RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631558347515232256)
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snarfed.org edited /HSTS (-8) "redirect to HTTPS" (view diff)
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tantek what is HSTS?
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Loqi HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HSTS
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tantek snarfed, how is that redirect useful? By asking Loqi and clicking on that link I still have no idea what HSTS is - it's not mentioned at the top of HTTPS at all.
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snarfed1 tantek: got me. it was created to redirect to HTTP a few min ago. i just changed it to redirect to HTTPS
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snarfed i actually assumed you'd done that, based on loqi's notif
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Loqi grins profusely
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tantek wait what?!?
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aaronpk oh that's a loqi bug
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tantek oh this is the stupid Loqi create page bug where he makes a redirect if you happen to link to a page as the first thing your dfn
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aaronpk look at the diff https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?diff=21419&oldid=21418&rcid=21399
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aaronparecki.com edited /HSTS (+29) "fix" (view diff)
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tantek sorry snarfed, my bad for mistaking your edit comment as a *change* to be a redirect
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snarfed np!
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tantek.com edited /HSTS (+104) "expand first, see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk gives Loqi a tune-up
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Loqi enjoys the tune-up
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@jgmac1106 @benwerd @jessifer @saragoldrickrab 4 ex @withknown open source #indieweb built for #posse @ev built @medium so you own your work #digped (twitter.com/_/status/631561648172613633)
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aaronpk that should take care of it
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@holdengraber RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631568755303260160)
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@ohowell RT @kevinmarks: “Some people say vast confusion like it’s a bad thing.” @jamesgleick on twitter #indieweb http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/let-twitter-be-twitter.html#Some%20people%20say%20vast%20confusion%20like%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20bad%20thing (twitter.com/_/status/631572300660408320)
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KevinMarks think that's quote of the day
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kylewm.com edited /www (+496) "Why it's not totally YAGNI. Many PaaSes require www. (or some other subdomain)" (view diff)
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aaronpk fsvo "require"
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KevinMarks it does make DNS harder
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aaronpk harder yes
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aaronpk not impossible
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KevinMarks I di start setting up g.kevinmarks.com and a.kevinmarks.com for google and amazon mirrors, but as posting to my site isn't automatic,…
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KevinMarks maybe I should go back to that idea
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aaronpk I wonder if I should spiderpig my own site before I switch it over to the new version
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tantek not a bad idea
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aaronpk really wish i had done that to my first site
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kylewm aaronpk: it actually *is* impossible with just plain DNS right? some registrars or DNS services provide a feature to alias a bare domain, but it does something tricky behind the scenes
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: do you support posting or receiving https://indiewebcamp.com/tag-reply posts?
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aaronpk a top-level domain can't be a CNAME if that's what you mean
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aaronpk but some hosts give you a couple of IP addresses you can use, and then they do fancy routing tricks behind the scenes
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aaronpk Amazon does a crazy thing where they set the TTL of your domain to 60 seconds and update it with the IP of your load balancers in real time
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, no not yet
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tantek huh I thought maybe you did as part of your person-tag support
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tantek does the basic premise of it work for you?
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aaronpk i can't find an archive of my old site :( must have lost it in the various hard drive transitions over the years
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tantek.com created /tag-of (+23) "r" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: darn - by old site do you mean pre-2011?
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aaronpk no, before that
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aaronpk the 1999-2002 version
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aaronpk the one where I made a couple hundred HTML files by making an excel spreadsheet with the data then doing a "mail merge" in word with the html template
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aaronpk that was before I learned Perl...
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tantek archive org likely has it
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aaronpk sadly i hid a lot behind javascript popup window links *headdesk*
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tantek aww sadness
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tantek what is js;dr?
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr
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aaronpk there are still some floppies at my parents house that might have a copy
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tantek perhaps add that use of js and subsequent non-archiving as an IndieWeb Example to /js;dr ?
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk "IndieWeb Examples"
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@ChrisAldrich Catching up on This Week in Google episodes. There's a nice section on #IndieWeb with @KevinMarks https://www.youtube.com/ #TWIG (twitter.com/_/status/631578802401882112)
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aaronpk more like "IndieWeb Anti-Examples"
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aaronparecki.com edited /js;dr (+186) ":-(" (view diff)
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@Lalo_Panda_ @tresensocial #Radian6 o #Webmention, claro dependiendo lo que busque y su volumen, entre otros factores. Buen día #TrenS :D (twitter.com/_/status/631583869112680448)
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wagle can you get there on the max?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: gRegorLove left you a message 3 hours, 38 minutes ago: Can you document your reasoning for your slug usage on /URL_design#Topic? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-12/line/1439407980363
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Loqi who, me?
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gRegorLove Or the "Date" section like snarfed did
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KevinMarks_ rhiaro and other Edinburghers - Andrew's play got reviewed well: http://edinburgh.fringeguru.com/reviews/edinburgh-2015/the-ascension-of-mrs-leech
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